Nice post Grazhopper. TaHF (TCR and His Followers) are lucky to have you in his corner.

First off let me say I’m a big fan of Steve Irwin and have great respect for his work, his family, his life’s legacy. However his show with all its “Golly” and “Crikey Mate” exclamations was show business entertainment and intended to bring his serious research and message of wildlife conservation to a larger audience. He did this successfully increasing awareness around the globe and his impact will remain for a very long time. But the fact remains that what we saw on tv was not his serious research but his presentation of it.

I get the fact that you need to shoot a lot more than you need so you’re “on” when things happen. On a typical hike I will shoot 250 – 300 photos but I don’t put them all into a slideshow on photobucket and post them. The constant whispering etc is not only hokey it prevents one from hearing anything that could be going on. For the occasions where you say there are whoops and knocks I’ve missed them because I can’t take the narration. Let the sounds and images speak for themselves.

If in fact the motive is not recognition and entertainment but purely scientific discovery then the approach is all wrong. I know plenty of people who are talented, motivated and have the inclination to do well at their chosen pursuit but fail because they get in their own way and can’t execute. If in fact he is really on to something, then it is a damn shame because the approach is killing his credibility and here is a guy with enthusiasm, time and equipment.

I know its easy for someone to take shots and not offer a constructive solution so here’s my two cents…Let’s say hypothetically for the sake of argument I live near a suspected hotspot and follow the TaHF plan to the letter, my motives are pure scientific discovery and I am faced with the kind of criticism being levelled here, this is what I would do…

Issue a statement saying basically “message received and acknowledged”. Restate my motive of not wanting recognition and followers and take corrective action.
This would include:

• Taking everything off Youtube
• Host my own site where I can control quality and not be painted with the Youtube brush.
• Publish the name of my advisor/mentor and a statement about my commitment to scientific methods.
• Say I am learning and will adapt as required based on the need for credibility…and then do it as necessary.
• If there is a nugget buried in a clip then post the nugget only and ask if others can see or hear what I do without the constant nattering.
• Stop the gratuitous self-promotion

If however the motive is recognition and entertainment then I would keep on keeping on but not expect to be taken seriously. At the end of the day if serious legitimate research were a federal crime, then the Scooby Doo/Count Floyd approach would keep me sleeping at night because there is not a court in the land that would convict me. gerry

Hey everybody or should I say the skeptics of Tcsjrbigfoot.
Here is Tcsjrbigfoot:

1. Dedicated Bigfoot Researcher-I am a leader and not a follower
2. Honest and 100% authentic
3. Entertaining & fun
4. Loves to share his expieriences with whoever is interested
5. Will never change the way I film,talk or act
6. Always thinking outside of the box
7. Always thinking positive
8. I am not forcing anybody to follow my research or watch my videos
9. Believes there is no proven method about how to research this creature
10. Never assumes anything ! Assumption is the mother of all screw ups !

Bottom Line---------------- Taking Bigfoot Research to another level !
Take the journey with me or stay the hell out of my way !


Grazz, You have been a great help to my research and a great friend ! You know I'm Authentic !

"Take the journey with me or stay the hell out of my way !"

Hmmm, your way or the highway. I'll choose to stay out of your way, thank you, but best of luck in your BF adventures.

Hi

Personally i think it is a cool thing capturing your research and sharing it with folks, It seems to be pretty popular with a lot of members here,

# 7 of your post talks about a positive attitude ~ I don't see it when you end the post with ~ Take the journey with me or stay the hell out of my way . . . . That could be taken as telling members to stay away and that is against the rules big time, If someone posts something you don't agree with just pass over it or put them on ignore, A negative attitude will only drive folks away.

Peace
Tim

I applaud the work he's doing too. It takes a lot of sacrifice to get out there day-in and day-out or weekend after weekend. He's in the field trying to make things happen...kudos. The closing remark does serve to undermine all his enthusiasm and energy of his post.

Upon rereading it, I suspect it was not intended the way it came out.

So dude, since this seems to be continually avoided. I'll ask it once more so we can have some clarity here. The sound file which was posted by Grazhopprr which was taken from this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBAOnLoYsQ8...re=channel_page


The sound Grazhopprr posted. Yes that one up there.

Is the sound he posted your partner that day or was it what you "heard", and exactly which point in your video did you hear the sound (look at the time and listen and please post the timeline) thanks. I hope this was a simple enough question to get an answer to. Geez.

The point is, the title of the thread was misleading. RiverRun has asked a simple question at least 5 times with no answer. I don't think anyone has a beef with tcs out in the field trying to document something. I respect him for the effort. If only there were more teams out there doing the same things, someone may get lucky and actually film something creditable. But until there is actually SOMETHING I would avoid comments like "shocking" or "authentic". If legit, your authenticity will show through naturally!

Remember, no matter what you think you see or hear in the woods, odds are it's not bigfoot. Tcs, statement #10 is spot on, but do you really follow the rule?? Or does rule #3 override it.

The URL link you posted contains a malformed video ID. Please try again !

Rule #3 was applied because most viewers consider me fun and entertaining. Why? I dont know.
Rule #10 really overrides #3 always ! What happens in the end is something I can't control.

Never mind I found the video - At the 1:43 mark this sound was made by my son Josh - he was immitating what we just heard but the camera audio didn't seem to pick it up. I should have clarified this to everybody sooner or in the description of the video. I hope this helps answer your question.

Your right Hogsback - I should limit certain words as shocking. Authentic is stated because I am not a hoaxer or faker. maybe I over react at times but thats just me. I need to eliminate all possible sources before I make judgement. I'm just trying my hardest to find the truth and this forum helps me become a better researcher. I know these forums get heated up and I should prepare for this. I sometimes get so frustrated because I haven't caught this creature on video. I think outside of the box trying to get an edge ahead. Everybody has a right to question me and have their own oppinion. All I can say is I will keep trying !

To all Concerned:
I am trying my hardest out there to find the truth and to some people my approach is odd or the way I act is strange. I'm not trying to gain fame or fortune out of this, I just want answers. You can dish it out all you want - I can take the punishment and pressure. I take the field of Bigfoot Research to another level. I am a leader and not a follower,I make my own path through them woods searching for answers. Yes I get excited - Yes I whisper - Yes I post boring videos. All I want to do is share my research. I try my best to answer questions and I don't intend to avoid anything, I get lost and confused on trying to keep up with emails,questions,etc...

Here is something I am proud of:

1. Dedicated Researcher
2. Over 1300 hours of logged hours in the field in 9 months
3. Spent near $9,000.00 of my own money on field gear,equipment,computers & electronics
4. Share my journey with the world
5. Myself !

Take what you want of this and run !

One more thing !

Grazzhopprr and many others believe in me and trust me ! They have helped me a great deal and I thank them for that. Without the help of them and my followers I would be lost !

Thank you all !
Tim Stover
Tcsjrbigfoot

I have seen some of the Tcsjr videos and some are very interesting and some seem to be a waste of time. I would just put the interesting ones up.If you didnt find anything dont put them up,or at least edit them to be shorter.

One of the reasons he puts the full videos up, is because he doesn't have all the technologies, that some who watch, do have, to work on the videos and get the details out of them. Sounds enhanced, details in the videos enhanced. This is a collaborative effort by several people who "follow" his efforts. Several of us, who work on other researchers "evidence", have found things in Tcs's videos, that he can't find on his own. For my part, it's a objective attempt at finding something, and proving it to ME. Then I send it to him as an enhanced file, for his own archives. I'm not out to prove anything for any of the people out there. I'm out to prove it to myself first, that there is something of interest there, that needs to be added to the information, and filed away for later. Nothing so far, screams WE FOUND BIGFOOT!!! It's just more pieces of a puzzle of something, may I remind you, that no one has been able to prove as yet. NONE of the more famous BF hunters, have any more credibility than Tcs, or Thefirstbillyjack, or jaime, or any other BF researcher out there. Work together on this information, and stop being critical of the person, until you see actual evidence of hoaxing. There are absolute jerks out there, who get better respect, than others, it seems. Personally, I'm a bit of a jarhead, from a military family, and I wouldn't last 5 minutes with some of you, out in the field, but I'd know that you're experience and expertise in something, trumps my reaction to someone elses personality. I can work with others, regardless of my personal feelings about that person. I get the feeling that people are reacting to Tcs more on a personality basis, than on what he is attempting to do out there. That's fine. I'm sure he can have a good laugh at that.

hey tcs i hope you show us new videos of possible footprints or other evidence that you found this weekend ok. good afternoon bill g

Good luck on your Campfire Shadows appearance on Wednesday Tim, I prob. will have to listen to it in archives.

quote name='Grazhopprr'

'For my part, it's a objective attempt at finding something, and proving it to ME. Then I send it to him as an enhanced file, for his own archives.'

ah Grazhopprr.....Bravo

Megatarsal

If I am not mistaken it was Grazhopper who called it "confrontational" not Tcsjr. Tim did not start any threads here only commented on ones about him. Tim is entertaining because he puts up blooper videos and at times stumbles around tripping on sticks and stuff and does not edit it out. As far as the get the hell out of his way comment to me it just tells of his enthusiasm come rain or shine, haters, and critics, he is going to keep on keepin on. There was the comment about his "daytime" research that was meant to be a jab, but that just showed the posters ignorance of Tcsjrbigfoot because there are several videos of his night expeditions. So you are telling me if you and a buddy were out in the woods and were hearing odd noises you would not be whispering back and forth describing the sounds to one another? I never thought I would have use for the term "keeping it real" but I think it applies to Tim and Josh. I have always said it is anyones game could be the BFRO or a contracter with a video camera who finds Bigfoot.

Amazing. It only took ohhh..... since june or so to get that answer. (and literally asking at least 4 times) Nice enhancement on the sons voice though Graz. Did you get some photo enhancement on those human prints? j/k..... but seriously... Its great you have some fans and all, but can you see where it can be a problem? Wheres the communication going on, if someone thats clearly "helping you" as you put it is making an enhancement on your sons voice and you say nothing, to clarify that its your son. (for months) Even after asked multible times, until I make it a huge deal. Its not a very credible policy to take on these things. At all.


Another thing is, with my video camera (its a cheap ass sony mini dv) it picks up anything I can hear with my ears. Dont know why yours doesnt.


The other video I was asking about was this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PrqNWvYlg




So you post a video on youtube with the title "Possible Bigfoot Encounter?" of course people are going to think, he recorded a bigfoot encounter? No, its just some dude on camera talking about what may or may not have happened in a hokey as f___ whisper. Personally.... ahhh nm.


You say you heard grunts and whoops and crashing through the forest, but how come all we can see or hear on the video is you whispering about this obviously "after the fact"? Seems like a pattern with you. Yeah I got these vocalizations on tape, but you cant hear it. I got these tracks on video, but they are human. I got a possible encounter but I didnt tape it, only us reacting afterward. Theres a lot of hype and self promotion but no beef. Definite pattern going on here. Sorry to sound negative, but I try my best to call it as I see it. So far this is my impression. My BS meter is just about pegged. (sorry)

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK TIM. DONT LET A BUNCH OF BAD APPLES RUIN YOUR PIE!!!YOUR FRIEND ..BILL(Zz0u812)

Wow your camera audio can pick up anything that you can hear off in the distance with your own ears ! Where can I buy one of these cameras? Apparently you have the only camera in existance that can do this ! Do you have a video of you with this camera that can prove it without a doubt? If you do make a video to prove it please be carefull on your description and how you talk on video or even act ! It could ruin your credability ! Make sure you don't lable the title wrong to confuse viewers.
We will all wait patiently for this proof from your cheap ass camera that can outperform your hearing. Oh wait a minute ! You might be right ! Maybe you can't hear at all ! This would prove your case !

This is becoming fun ! I'm kinda enjoying this ! Lets rock brother !!! Bring it on !!!!

Oh ok I see where you asked the question awhile back. Sorry I missed it.
I couldn't get the camera on in time when we all 3 heard growls of some sort then something large crashing through the underbrush and then what seemed to snap a large branch as in frustration. I posted the video anyway hoping that one day somebody could see something with special programing or even hear the tail end of the event.


I owe Grazzhopprr an apoligy ! he did send me a personal message asking if that was Josh or an actual sound we heard and I told him it wasn't Josh. Well I was wrong ! Josh did make that noise immatating what we heard. I got lost in all the emails and questions being asked. I thought he was talking about another video. Many uploads were going on that week.

Tim,

If you think things are hectic now wait until you capture an image, or sound, should you be so fortunate. If so, "you ain't seen nothing yet" as the saying goes.

Wiia

Yeah my super-duper-nuclear-flux-capacitor camera can pick up anything anywhere on the planet simultaneasly. Its a sony DCR HC21. Its about a 300 dollar camera.

Most video cameras use condensor mics. They adjust levels to whatever sound is happening live. If you are quiet then it can pick up sounds that are fairly distant. If you make a lot of noise and whisper all it will hear is what is close. (generally speaking if I can hear it, so can the camera) I've made plenty of recordings with it some of which were posted here. Heres a link to some fox audio that I recorded using my super-duper 300 dollar camera. The fox was at least 100 yards away at the time. I have some audio that was posted on Stan Courtneys site also from the same camera. I've also got some distant owls recorded that are pretty darn far away if you need to hear those too. Guess my camera has an ok microphone for a 300 dollar camera. It picked up the sounds I heard just fine. Not sure why yours cant seem to pickup the things you hear.


http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/iam...t=Untitledb.flv
http://www.stancourtney.com/sounds/GA_02.mp3
http://www.stancourtney.com/sounds/GA_01.mp3


You can try and shift the focus on me if you wish. I think I made some very legitimate points. Its also interesting to know that privately you mislead someone about your audio/video. I guess you werent able to tell which audio or video he was talking about though. Right.

Come on guys. Let's take a breath please.

This is just a thought Riverrun, but tcjr's camera may be doing the same thing yours does. He's walking in the woods with it and talking, so his camera is probably attenuating the recording level a bit. My DCR-TRV103 will do the same thing, I've recorded alot of call blasts at close range , and you can hear all the back ground noise go silent for a few seconds afterward , then fade back in. It may be that the newer HD cameras are different in recording level, but I would expect that Sony probably wouldn't do away with the attenuating function to prevent distortion.

SY.

There has been a lot of back and forth on this thread with Tim. I believe TCSJRBigfoot should be held to the same standards as everyone else. Having said that! In my opinion Tim has been subjected a little bit more scrutiny than usual.

I am aware of the controversy surrounding the foot prints Tim found on the bank. I don’t recall Tim ever saying that they were made by BF. I do remember the excitement and the enthusiasm of the potential find. I don’t think it is fair to say without a doubt they are human tracks nor do I think it would be fair to say they were made by BF. They are just tracks and under no circumstances should Tim be indicted for presenting trace evidence. The BFF is for a group of “like minded people” to get together and intelligently talk about the phenomenon. It is O.K. to form your own opinion and debate it here but to talk about absolutes and BF is an oxymoron.

Tim is not a scientist or an actor but I read comments both here and on other websites criticizing his abilities of both of these points. Example: “his videos are boring”, “he always has his recorder off when it happens”, “He never finds anything” and “He is over zealous” ect…. Just because Tim chooses to record himself live (and share it) doesn’t mean he has to change who he is or act the way you think he should.

I take TCSJRBigfoot at face value. Here is how I look at it…. Joe six pack is out looking for a creature that both haunts and fascinates him. (As far as I can tell that is the only thing Tim has asked for). He freely shares his experiences and obviously is willing to answer as many questions as he can get to. That doesn’t mean Tim is obligated to respond to a direct question.

As far as his equipment goes! It is better than mine.

I too was frustrated by a few miss leading video tiles! Then I realized the venue. Tim is posting his videos on YouTube and catchy miss leading titles are a big part of how it works there. If Tim were to post those titles here in BFF we most certainly would have fun hanging him out to dry!



Bob

Hey guys!
What you guys are describing sounds lik AGC (automatic gain contol) and most (if not all) devices have that function now. Just about every (again, if not all) on board mics in video cameras use a condenser mic now (refers to the actual construction of it and how it translates sound to signal). You are right about the AGC adjusting to the noise level (adjusting the gain) and, yahoo, I think you are right about Tcs walking noise interfering. Not to mention that it might be a directional mic vs. Omnidirectional. Oh and the guy does have alot going on and it is reasonable to expect him to miss a post here or there.

Yes you are right Grapeape AGC is probably the correct acronym. TCSJR is basicly employing a strategy that is more geared towards visual evidence, so if he hears something but doesn't record it...oh well...nor harm no foul as long as it is not claimed to be BF, since we can't evaluate what we can't hear. I would just say better luck next time recording whatever is seen or heard.

I can appreciate what TCSJR is doing, but also agree that claims should be made with a great deal of discreation and not exceed what the evidence can support.

SY.

Oh wow RiverRun ! These sound files tell us the presise distance from camera to the source ! You did it ! You have proof ! You have broke the code ! Sherlock Holmes has raised from the dead to prove his point ! Everybody please listen to these sounds that he has here ! You will be shocked at how he explains how far they are away from him. He has video also to prove his case ! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Bigfoot forum topic. I now have to focus on more important things. Tired of wasting my positive energy on someone who suffers Bi-polar disease.

I believe, this thread has run it's course, hehe.

Are there any other sort in this community? I'm not one who's in love with these videos, but there are some interesting ones, and I don't know why they can't be taken on face value.

And it was only after reading some of the comments in this thread that I found out there's only one way to do research (we weren't actually told what that way was, so I guess all of us "newbies" on the outside are stuck making "home movies" if we try to document anything)



Again, where's it written down that someone has to jump through these hoops just because you say so?

Just because he's freely making available the content of his research doesn't mean he has to justify himself to your satisfaction. I agree that at a certain stage an increased burden of proof will be required, but he's not there yet, and I don't think any researcher reaches that level until they try to profit from their efforts.

To all those who keep whining at the title of the thread, fair enough, but at least remember that tcsjr didn't name it - I'm not sure he was even a member of the forum yet.

And those who are unhappy with the quality of his audio - I'm sure he'd be happy for you to donate some of your kit to improve his recording, but until you do you haven't earned the right to criticise the quality of his equipment.

Hi

If this gets closed there cannot be another one about the ~ tcsjrbigfoot ~ Opened according to the rules . .

Peace
Tim

Hi Red! Ok............................................your point?

No point, just that if you enjoy this awsome conversation on how sound is recorded (very well done RR, if I may add ) Then we need to play by the rules. Simple, to the point. Otherwise there's a "time out" waiting for all those naughty little boys and girls. Might even get no dessert after dinner.

Sorry if you dont enjoy being called out but I find your actions questionable at times. Especially so now after finding out the truth about the file Graz enhanced. Dont worry about misleading topics or titles, or emails though right. Its all good.

I got it now wickie! Understood. I, for one, do try to behave myself!

I knew you would understand

Ok lets get back to the basics of this topic - Sorry if I broke the rules - I just wanted to tell everybody how hard it's been for me keeping up and trying to figure out all the questions. I am now getting around 120 emails a day and near 30 people trying to help with my videos. I get lost very easily and overwhelmed. I was not trying to hide anything from RiverRun. If I missed a few days of this topic then I fell way behind. I had to create another email just to smooth things out a little for me. I will not hide anything because there is nothing to hide. If I get called on something or caught making a mistake or bad judgement then so be it. I'm not perfect ! I'm trying to be everywhere at the same time and it's not working. At least I get back here often and try to answer questions the best I can.

Here is what I do every day :

1. Run my construction company
2. Reply to emails and comments
3. Prep and upload videos
4. Update my website
5. Preparing for every episode on Bigfoot Busters Radio
6. Talking to researchers on the phone
7. Viewing reports from video responses
8. Downloading and uploading audio files
9. Taking care of things at home
10. Preparing gear for expeditions

The list goes on and on !

I don't want any simpathy or to feel sorry for. Just wanted everybody to know how dedicated I am.
My ultimate goal is to capture this creature on HD video !

It's rare that someone shows their work as they are doing it and it's great to see. Keep it up. I also think that it is rare for someone to take advice on how to do better research and that is also great to see. You have tons of folks here that know some things and it seems that you are trying to take advantage and apply their knowledge which is cool. I wish I was an elite field researching overlord so I could give some advice for the future rather than ripping on what you have already done.

You must have 48 hour days and run on Red Bull and Marlboroughs. There's no way in aitch-ee-doublehockeysticks I could do that.

hey tcs woww you are busy researcher indeedy... keep us updated ty for awesome above reply ok. bill g

Bigfoot Busters Radio was cancelled

Reason why

hey tcs YW for the special above update reply i realy hope your wife gets all better soon. keep in touch ok ty bill g

As far as I'm concerned, you don't need to justify your schedule to us and you don't have to
abide by someone's timeline in answering a question....hell you don't need to answer at all if that's
what you want.
Post what you want.

Research Update:
I am processing videos for upload and I found deep impressions that looked like footprints and seemed to be really fresh. While I was filming in a new unexplored area for me I was hearing something moving in front of me and away. I never did get to see it. I followed these impressions for awhile but had to turn back because I was losing daylight fast and was all alone. I will certainly return to this area in the near future. The video upload will be named (On The Trail Of Bigfoot) and could take until late Tuesday night to upload.

Thank You All !
Tim Stover
Tcsjrbigfoot

hey tcs good afternoon YW for the above reply wow definetly looking forward to the new video. ty bill g

hey tcsbigfoot good afternoon so any new expedition videos that your going to post here soon and any new encounters footprints in your state forests keep us posted ok. ty bill g

Hey tcsjr, where can I read about your encounter ( I missed the show?)