I listened to that entire youtube a few times before and even boosted all of the levels in a sound editor and didnt hear anything but the two people seen on camera. What time exactly are you hearing something?

Read above. Don't know how much clearer I can describe it, and where.

Hi

It is right at 1:43 ~ The volume has to be up a bit but you can hear it clearly it's a low tone, Errrrrr

Peace
Tim

Ah iz validatid

I'm pretty sure that is the dude. Maybe the camera operator can be more clear about it.

Hi

Thats the thing we can't tell, You tube is what it is, I stick to the music side of it, There is a ton of awesome tunes and i can at least say with 100% certainty that what i hear i can identify


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Tim

Here is the segment in question. (im guessing?) I may be mistaken but I think it sounds like one of the two guys seen on camera making that noise. Maybe we can get some clarification from the camera operator.

Hi

Thats it ~ RR , The errr sound seems to come from a little further away but sounds are just to easy to make with todays gadgets, Hey there are some guitar players out there that can make the sound of an Elephant

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Tim

I'm pretty confident that the errr sound on your mp3 link is Josh saying, "It went errr," demonstrating what sound they had just heard from the animal.

Yeah I thought so too hopeful. I dont think it picked up anything before they when they said they heard something.

Hi Tim. I've been following this thread and your YouTube videos. I noticed you said you had spent $7,000 on equipment. I'm assuming you meant your video equipment.

I work with a team in the field as well, with five years experience at our field site. We've found that the best way to record vocalizations is to purchase recorders that are stand-alone units. You can deploy them all night long, away from camp locations like bonfires and away from where people may be talking, so nothing else interferes with the recording. If you buy the right kind, and charge it fully before deploying it, it will record for about 12 hours before needing a recharge. And the best part is, these units pick up vocals much better than any video camera. You can protect them from the weather with either a ziploc bag, or a proper insulated case. External mics are a must. And a pre-amp is also of benefit.

I really suggest you invest in one of these set-ups if you're getting calls but are not picking them up on the audio recorder in your camera. They aren't that expensive either ... maybe around $500 to $600 for a unit that picks up vocs quite well and produces pretty good sound quality.

Exactly hopeful. But, I do still hear something at the 1:50 mark. You have to listen close and I can't tell what it is, but it's something.

VERY Interesting! I do here it around the 142-143 mark. And it does sound like it's in the distance a bit further from them. If it is the sound coming from an animal, sounds like something BIG, whether it's bigfoot or some other big animal.

I hear something also at 1:50, Jay. The impression I got was that it was made by the guys, maybe from exhaling, but who knows?

The original vocalization that they heard, I think, happens at about 1:22-1:23 because at 1:24 Tim suddenly whispers, "What was that?" and then they begin discussing it, and Josh makes the errr sound at 1:43. Wish I coulda been there.

It's very clear at 1:50, but you can tell it's far away. Again, I've said this before, sounds similar to a howler monkey call to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBAOnLoYsQ8...re=channel_page

Howler monkeys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REPoVfN-Ij4&feature=fvw

Yeah I heard that one, it certainly sounds like it's further away. It does sound similar to a howler monkey. Very strange. It kind of reminds me of a bullfrog, I wonder if there was a swamp or creek nearby?

The werrrrrrrrrrrrr sound, comes from a distance, is a low end high resonance sound, quite different than the whispering josh and tim are doing. They hear a separate sound, which makes them go into whisper mode.

You guys in here are a big help to my research ! I don't reply much but I sure read everything and I listened at the 1:50 mark and YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the sounds we were hearing. It started off loud and then faded as this creature or thing as Josh calls it moved away from us. I could be mistaken but it had a monkey or primate like sound to it. I could not identify this sound as anything native to my area. I sure wish all of you were there with me to hear it for yourselves ! It was amazing !

TO ALL HERE AT THE FORUM: Please keep in mind that I will never over XXXXXXXXXXXX a sighting or sound encounter in the field if what i'm seeing or hearing is something I can't identify or not supposed to be there. I know I'm real close to getting good video of this creature after hundreds of hours in the same area. I know they are getting used to me. I will insert a link to a video of mine on a recent nocturnal expedition with Josh and watch for the impressive teepeee stick formation that was left for us. I have been at this exact spot during daylight hours deep inside my area and this stick structure was never there! I will be back soon guys! Thanks for all your help !


Stick Formation Found

Awesome stick formation, Tim! I've never seen one that well built!

Thanks ! I wonder what they are trying to tell me?

I didn't realize that the Bigfoot Enquirer was following my research since December 2008. I was just sent this link. Whats this all about?

The Bigfoot Enquirer

So I guess you weren't interested in getting better sound recordings ...

First thought I had was their reaction to the sounds. A guy who has spent so much time in the woods would not react to a bullfrog or other native sound, so it was a new one to him. Very cool!

Pat,

He reads all this stuff and thinks about it but doesn't always post back about everything. Your suggestion was a good one. I would also suggest a small hand held parabolic mic.

Sorry! My Bad ! I must have missed something. I'm very interested in your advice !

Beats the hell outta me Tim. From the article, it sounds like somebody else that does research in Ohio is getting nervous that you and Josh might get evidence before they do. I wouldn't worry about it too much, just keep doing what you're doing and don't let other researchers get you down. There's always going to be someone that has to put people down in order to prop themselves up.

Hi All, its my first time posting here, but i have always had an interest in this subject of bigfoot, since i was a kid.

For the past month or so i started to look at everything the internet had to offer on the subject, must have read like a hundred reports and watched every documentry. I think that the entire subject of bigfoot has me on the fence of what to believe. I think this being due to some pretty convincing stuff or witnesses that later turned out to be hoaxes and hoaxers.

The list grows long.

Bugs shooting, (later turned out to be an unreliable source)

Freeman film. ( he had confessed to hoaxing in the past)

Todd Standings. ( doesnt even know where the sylvanic is?)

Tom Biscardi ( this guy so desperately wants to believe bigfoot exists, that he may confuse a bush for one)

See where im going with this? I think that some of these guys may have been sincere about finding a BF at some point, but after being under the spot light and all eyes on them, they may have felt inclined to provide evidence, even if it meant them fabricating that evidence, which ultimately brought them down. Free man is a good example becuase that film of his looks very real, but hes a self confessed hoaxer, which places all credibilty in the toilet.

Im sure everybody here has their BS meters turned up on full as i do in regards to any new incoming reports or evidence. Which brings me to tcsjrbigfoot.

I think that part of the appeal of your research is that you take us with you on your journey, however, your credibilty will always be under the microscope, in other words, at the first sign of something suspect or fake, you should fully expect everybody with a discerning eye too call you on every detail.

Thus far, what i have found most interesting and enjoyable about your research is that you technically havent found anything, with the exception of some blobsquatches, that have very little merit, and you to didnt give it much credit, which only places more credit on you.

What im about to say may seem strange to some, but if in your research all you get to film in the next 10 years are nothing but a bunch of twigs and berries with still no evidence of bigfoot, that may weigh far in favor of your credibilty. and you may go down as a legit researcher whom took this stuff seriously and tried not to sensationalize it by fabricating anything. I personally think people would take that level of research far more credible.

why might i mention potentially 10 years of filming twigs and berries? because if such a thing like a bipedal primate really does exist, then it would be astromically hard to find one. Ten years of filming nothing but forest debree without a credible sighting would not surprise me in the least. I imagine such an animal to have hightened senses and would spot you coming from a mile away.

Their may be some more viable ways of finding them, but would require much of your time and effort. For example, building a tree stand 20+ feet off the ground and going ninja for several hours per day or night hoping one passes by.

I know that may sound boring to some, but if you wanted to bring some entertainment value to your research, i would even suggest you to take your trek elsewhere once or twice a year, and do a "tcsjrbigfoot visits Ape Canyon" and do the same thing there that you do in Ohio, im sure everybody would like to visually be taken on a tour of some of the Bigfoot hotspots through the U.S and Canada. Even if those venture are to be fruitless, they still carry a nastalgic value to all BF enthusiasts.

Just my 2 cents

The guy is a contractor not the best job to have in this economy so a U.S. Bigfoot hot spot tour might not be in his budget. I think what he is getting at is that he has an area where he feels there is some activity and they may be getting used to seeing him out there possibly increasing his odds of filming one. I dig his videos, I put on earphones and shut the light and watch on the big screen it is way cool in HD almost like you are standing there with them. I really hope I don't see any "twigs and berries" in any of his videos if you get my drift.

Hi Fan,


Twigs and berries may sound dull, but the journey isnt, keep in mind the last credible video took place over 40+ years ago.

In todays digital world, blob-squatches simply dont cut it anymore.

Once Monsterquest gets a hold of him he'll be doing this, yeah man, go Tim go!

Thanks Todude & Fanofsquatch, I will keep researching even if my videos produce no results. For the last 6 months I've been like the energizer bunny - I keep going,going & going ! And I will keep going until I can't do it anymore. Most stick formations and arches mean very little to me with the exception of a couple of them that impressed me. I'm not in this for fame and fortune - I'm doing this for me and for all who follow my research. When I first started posting videos there was talk about how not to be a researcher because of a near 911 call to get my son out of the woods alive on a 12 degree winter night after he fell thru the ice. That upset me because we busted our butts and risked our lives to research this creature but I soon got over it. Anyway I am reaching the 900 hour mark of field research in the past 6 months so if thats why many people are talking good about me then I can say my hard work and dedication is paying off. My approach at times may seem strange to some people but I am Tcsjrbigfoot - They will like me or they will hate me ! one way or the other I will not stop or let anything or anybody stand in my way of accomplishing my goal !

Thanks
Tim
Tcsjrbigfoot
(Research Will Reward Us With Discovery)


LOL oh man!!! wouldn't that be a surprise !

MonsterQuest, lol,,,,,,,,,,and Ghost Hunters. I wouldn't go on MonsterQuest. The shows name is Quest, thus, they never find anything. Better to just do your own work and wait till you actually get something to put on t.v. Tim's HD cam is good enough for real evidence value, when something finally gets taped. Keep it simple, or you'll end up being thrown to the wolves like Biscardi. Just because you get alot of coverage by people in this "hobby", doesn't mean getting stars in your eyes, and seeing kaching kaching. He's already had one white car following him around. Don't need whack job rambos and wing nuts finding out where his places are, and ruining all his work, or stalker fans invading his real time life, wife, kids, job. Hell, even I've gone to Google maps to see if I can guess where his sites are. You also take the chance of jealous jerks starting rumors about him, like in that article he posted in the link above. Circle the wagons and keep to your own.

I like you Grazhopprr ! Your always straight to the point and you know that I have taken your advice a couple of times recently and it kept me out of trouble ! Thanks Again for watching my back ! Sometimes I take a crap before I pull my pants down if you know what I mean ! LOL

todude -- hell of a first post, and right on! Welcome.

Mah prezur, compadre.

BTW, finally saw your reddish brown blobsquatch. I was lookin at a whole different area for 2 weeks. That frikken tree was smack in the way. Gaud, I hate lcd flip screens. Need bifocals just to focus on em. I have 2 lcd regular cameras, and I don't use em much for anything anymore. I'll stick to my Sony Hi8 with the eye viewer, and the 4 times telephoto for the distance shots, till I find an HD with an eye viewer at a pawn shop. Screw those lcd flipouts.

Another BTW, after the " werrrrrrrrrr " sound, you're zooming and panning, whispering,,,,then at 2:15,,,,,,,there's another sound that I thought was a crow, then you say "holy crap". After listening to that "crow" sound, I don't think it's a crow. It sounds like an asthematic hard exhale. Go back to that and listen to it again, at 2:15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBAOnLoYsQ8...re=channel_page

Listen to it over and over, and you'll see what I mean.

Graz

Thanks StacyInMi,


I'm just as curious as the rest of you about this subject, and what worries me is how more and more of previously credible witnesses turned out to be frauds.

What a way to make a name for yourself, one that will follow your name into the halls of shame and obscurity.

On the other hand, i guess there are a few idiots out there that thrive off trying to fool folks, only problem is, that ultimately the last laugh will be on them, because some people truly underestimate other peoples levels of discernment when applied.

As i mentioned before, tcsjrbigfoot takes us on a journey. Its an entertaining journey at that.

If there is such a thing as a large bi-pedal primate roaming around, i would like a guy like tcsjrbigfoot to find it.

Credibility is in my opinion at an all time low in regards to evidence. Did anyone see that recent video from the BFRO video with blinking eyes in the dark? Apperantly they got a little spooked and left, or was it that they wanted to leave it alone?

hahahaaha.. what bunk! are you telling me that if your finally on the cusp of getting some footage of a possible bigfoot, and your just going to walk away like they did?

Or just how many of these videos out there last only seconds?, just long enough to catch a glimps of a blob, never long enough to be conclusive of anything. What are some of these camera operators thinking? ( oh look everybody, a hairy blob being recorded on my cam, nows a good time to turn off the machine?) lol

The Manitoba video was a joke, and the best example of it, I cant believe the news actually covered that.

Um, forget about that "crow" sound thing. Um,,,,,,,,,,,it was you, bud. Sheesh, get a new set of headphones, Graz

Hey Grazhopprr I like the way you quote yourself and then call yourself out I wonder if you called yourself ignorant if you would get banned?

Well, lets say, I cut it at the bud, before someone else called me on it, hehe.


Hm, I suppose I could have called myself all kinds of names and explicatives, to fit in with the other BF sites. Then get banned and everyone can complain about Graz getting Graz banned, and stuff.

I think we may have just entered the MATRIX

Other than our videographer's incessant play-by-play and the whispering of his compadre, I can only hear one other vertebrate sound on this file. A scarlet tanager (gorgeous bird, btw) starts singing at 2:06.

Just like an inkblot test, some just won't hear it. I've shown the clip to my co-workers and others, and they all hear it when I point it out to them, most hear it without me pointing it out. Might be the sound system you're using, might just be the wiring in peoples brains. Dunno. I miss alot in daily life.

Which is why I suggested that he needs to get some better sound recording equipment than what comes installed in his video gear.

Who knows what he's hearing off in the distance? We can't hear much of anything on his tapes. He might be mistaking a known animal or bird call. Or it might very well be something more important ... but without good quality sound files, there's no way to tell.

Bottom line, from what he's presented so far at least, it's just a lot of over-excited woods footage and his word that he's hearing calls in the distance.

What is the sound at 1:42 or 1:43 of something sounding like "whuhshuh" in a deep throaty type voice for a second or so? I'm picking it up
playing the vid. in HD, not that it would affect the sound quality......but, does it? perhaps?

The 2:14 sec. exhalation sounds like an asthmatic crow or a barking squirrel on steroids.

And the word of others, with excellent sound systems, who hear it too.

Now, granted, it would be wonderful for Tim to have a complement of film and sound out there with him. Maybe like a Steve Irwin kinda thing. Camera crew, sound grip with fuzzy boom mic. Tim's crawlin, kneelin, hoppin from bush to bush, sneakin up on that " krittah ".

" Oy,,,,,,,,,,krikey !! Wadda smeahel !! Buggah, you heah that? That's a biggun. Come on, lets see if ay ken greahpel with it. "


Sorry Aussies, my live Aus is better than my typing it.

But he gets an A+ in consistency:
Claims two recent BF encounters: Details?= Nothing to date
Claims BF-ish sounds on video: = Nothing discernable

Nothing + Nothing= Nothing

That sound is just Tim, in a wheezing holy crap moment. Have another cigarette Tim, hehe. I would have gone through half a pack after that.

Unfortunately, all retail cams, even HD, use directional mics, to pick up what you're aimed at. They aren't stereo, and can't pick up stuff behind, or to each side. You'd have to have a digital stereo recorder, with a mic on each shoulder, to pick up what you're hearing. Not hard to do really. The digital stereo recorder is a bit spendy, about 240 for an Olympus, which is the best one out there for now, with a pop off mic, so you can attach 2 separate mics, with a mono to stereo adapter plug. Put the mics on your shoulders with velcro, and the recorder in your shirt pocket. Let it run on it's own.

What model Olympus btw???