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Bruce comes on hear the end of the show........
Good to hear someone be assertive and state a voice of reason.
1. No, he won't.
2.Yeah, it was good to hear Bear give it to him like that.
Oh wait, I bet you meant it the OTHER way around.
It's ok. I understand. There's lots of people out there who just don't get it. I don't really blame Bruce, heck I don't even know the guy. What I DO know is that if you are in this field with the intentions of seeing a Bigfoot, and someone makes the claim that they can put you in a situation to see one, why would you NOT take them up on the offer? Why would you sit there and demand proof to everything they say, demand pictures or video, when you could go and see first hand for yourself? If you choose not to believe someone's claims, that is your right, and you are entitled to it. However, if that person is offering you the opportunity to go out with them, meet them in person, and find out first hand, what is your motivations at that point to continue to sit there and try to belittle the person? Are you interested in the truth, or interested in making yourself look good for all your buddies? Regardless of what people choose to believe, I have stood side by side with Bear, another man from Tennessee, and a guy who was a complete skeptic, while we ALL stood there looking at a Bigfoot not 30 feet away. So I can verify Bear has seen a Bigfoot. Has Bruce?
2.Yeah, it was good to hear Bear give it to him like that.
Oh wait, I bet you meant it the OTHER way around.
It's ok. I understand. There's lots of people out there who just don't get it. I don't really blame Bruce, heck I don't even know the guy. What I DO know is that if you are in this field with the intentions of seeing a Bigfoot, and someone makes the claim that they can put you in a situation to see one, why would you NOT take them up on the offer? Why would you sit there and demand proof to everything they say, demand pictures or video, when you could go and see first hand for yourself? If you choose not to believe someone's claims, that is your right, and you are entitled to it. However, if that person is offering you the opportunity to go out with them, meet them in person, and find out first hand, what is your motivations at that point to continue to sit there and try to belittle the person? Are you interested in the truth, or interested in making yourself look good for all your buddies? Regardless of what people choose to believe, I have stood side by side with Bear, another man from Tennessee, and a guy who was a complete skeptic, while we ALL stood there looking at a Bigfoot not 30 feet away. So I can verify Bear has seen a Bigfoot. Has Bruce?
QUOTE(OklahomaSquatch @ Jun 1 2009, 01:19 AM) 
There's lots of people out there who just don't get it.
No, I don't understand.
Sure, Bruce said this guy hadn't seen any, but I think Bruce's main point was not if he had EVER seen one or not, but rather, how bear can claim to have such an extensive and ongoing ist of sightings and encounters, and still has nothing. Not asking for a perfect video, nor a photo album of clear photos..........let's not exaggerate what Bruce was asking.................... He was wondering why, after all those encounters, he couldn't even produce merely one decent photo............just one......
Why does he need to? I mean seriously, if he's not giving a rat's behind if you or anyone else believes him or not, why does he need a photo? Why would someone need a photo of something when they can go out and see the thing in person? Let's see, a hand full of personal sightings spread out over 40+ years of interest in the field, how does that make it any easier to get a photo of one, even if you carried a camera? Which he doesn't by the way.
Then there's why does he need a photo, who does he owe this photo to, what difference would a photo make, if he does have photos why does he need to show any of them to anyone?
Bruce is the one who demanded proof. Bruce received an invitation to go and find out first hand. The topic YOU posted is will Bruce take Bear up on his offer. So will he? Of course not. Then how cool would he look coming back and saying to the entire community "I was wrong."
Then there's why does he need a photo, who does he owe this photo to, what difference would a photo make, if he does have photos why does he need to show any of them to anyone?
Bruce is the one who demanded proof. Bruce received an invitation to go and find out first hand. The topic YOU posted is will Bruce take Bear up on his offer. So will he? Of course not. Then how cool would he look coming back and saying to the entire community "I was wrong."
I don't know any of the names involved with this but if someone is claiming that they can show you a sasquatch because they have an extensive list of sightings and encounters...but no clear evidence, then I would be hesitant of accepting their offer as well. Once again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I agree Crimson 100 percent. Although if someone were to tell me they could provide the opprotunity to observe the big guy the at will the offer would be quite intriguing. Yet then again there have been many who have made the same claims with nothing in the way of evidence to back it up. I dont know of the individuals referred to here but I have to say I believe the claim is a stretch. As far as it being said that nobody has to show anyone else evidence if they want to keep their findings to themselves that went out the window as soon as they made public their extraordinary claims.I have known many who have claimed to have lots of things and were merely BS ers when all was said and done. You are right when you say extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
QUOTE(goatman2448 @ Jun 1 2009, 10:44 PM)
I agree Crimson 100 percent. Although if someone were to tell me they could provide the opprotunity to observe the big guy the at will the offer would be quite intriguing. Yet then again there have been many who have made the same claims with nothing in the way of evidence to back it up. I dont know of the individuals referred to here but I have to say I believe the claim is a stretch. As far as it being said that nobody has to show anyone else evidence if they want to keep their findings to themselves that went out the window as soon as they made public their extraordinary claims.I have known many who have claimed to have lots of things and were merely BS ers when all was said and done. You are right when you say extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
Yes, I recall even Coy offered to let Melissa come down to her place to see *Fox* but once it got closer to confirming, she backed out...
Not saying that this bear character would back out, as he may not, but you can bet that Bruce would come home a few hundred dollars lighter, and with nothing but a well learned *lesson in -human- behavior*, not bigfoot......
The habituators are simply full of s***! If you cant show SOME proof with all the sightings that these people claim...then they simply dont have any proof. Oh yeah,they dont want publicity or people hounding them..YET,they appear on shows,websites and forums making these silly claims. Hooray for my man Bruce..the voice of reason!
Hmmm. Interesting. You can call Bear a lot of things, but one thing he is NOT and has never claimed to be is a habituator. In fact, he is about the opposite of a habituator. He looks for BF in multiple states, covering a wide variety of habitats. There are only a few places he has returned to multiple times over the ten years I've known him, and then it was almost always taking folks there for their edification and education.
He will also tell you that he is NOT a "researcher", per-se, and is not really comfortable with the term "investigator". He's more of a hands-on, in-the-field educator. He had satisfied himself as to the reality of BF decades ago, spent lots of time in the field educating himself as to their ways, and has spent a good part of the last ten years teaching others about BF, in the field as much as possible. He's never charged anyone a penny to accompany him, unlike some other organizations.
Bear loves to go to new places and see if he can locate any BF that might be in the area. Now, he DOES do a lot of investigation and research PRIOR to going to a new area, to try to figure out the best places to do calling/listening sessions once he gets there. And he does look for physical evidence once there, but he's much more interested in seeing or hearing what made the evidence than just seeing evidence. He's not perfect, but he's produced results in a lot of different places, that many folks will confirm. Bear concentrates on the calling and listening and lets other folks concentrate on recording, taking pics or videos, casting tracks, etc. Hell, I don't know if Bear even owns a camera or a recorder. I've never seen him with one or the other in the field.
I don't know anything about this Bruce person, but I DO know several folks that have traveled hundreds of miles, and two folks that came over 1400 miles to spend time in the field with Bear and learn about BF, and they were not disappointed, but rather learned a lot about BF and came away believers in Bear's skills.
And you can hide behind your little catch phrases, like "extra-ordinary claims demand extra-ordinary evidence", all you want to, but they do nothing to belittle or negate the results he has produced time and time again. You want evidence of his results? Go to the ABRF or get in the chat room on one of the blogtalk shows he frequents and ask folks that have been in the field with him whether or not he can do what he says he can do. And then, if you have the cajones, go on an outing with him. Won't cost you anything but a little gas, grub, and time.
The man is far from perfect, and he's made plenty of mistakes in the past, and he's bull-headed, and runs his mouth way-th'-hell too much for some folks' preference (when he's not in the boonies), and he sure ain't no "Bigfoot Messiah", and he's not as smooth and polished as a lot of the supposedly "legitimate" BF researchers, and he doesn't have the "credentials" that a lot of the supposedly "legitimate" BF researchers have, BUT he knows BF and can produce results that very, very, very few other folks can produce.
He will also tell you that he is NOT a "researcher", per-se, and is not really comfortable with the term "investigator". He's more of a hands-on, in-the-field educator. He had satisfied himself as to the reality of BF decades ago, spent lots of time in the field educating himself as to their ways, and has spent a good part of the last ten years teaching others about BF, in the field as much as possible. He's never charged anyone a penny to accompany him, unlike some other organizations.
Bear loves to go to new places and see if he can locate any BF that might be in the area. Now, he DOES do a lot of investigation and research PRIOR to going to a new area, to try to figure out the best places to do calling/listening sessions once he gets there. And he does look for physical evidence once there, but he's much more interested in seeing or hearing what made the evidence than just seeing evidence. He's not perfect, but he's produced results in a lot of different places, that many folks will confirm. Bear concentrates on the calling and listening and lets other folks concentrate on recording, taking pics or videos, casting tracks, etc. Hell, I don't know if Bear even owns a camera or a recorder. I've never seen him with one or the other in the field.
I don't know anything about this Bruce person, but I DO know several folks that have traveled hundreds of miles, and two folks that came over 1400 miles to spend time in the field with Bear and learn about BF, and they were not disappointed, but rather learned a lot about BF and came away believers in Bear's skills.
And you can hide behind your little catch phrases, like "extra-ordinary claims demand extra-ordinary evidence", all you want to, but they do nothing to belittle or negate the results he has produced time and time again. You want evidence of his results? Go to the ABRF or get in the chat room on one of the blogtalk shows he frequents and ask folks that have been in the field with him whether or not he can do what he says he can do. And then, if you have the cajones, go on an outing with him. Won't cost you anything but a little gas, grub, and time.
The man is far from perfect, and he's made plenty of mistakes in the past, and he's bull-headed, and runs his mouth way-th'-hell too much for some folks' preference (when he's not in the boonies), and he sure ain't no "Bigfoot Messiah", and he's not as smooth and polished as a lot of the supposedly "legitimate" BF researchers, and he doesn't have the "credentials" that a lot of the supposedly "legitimate" BF researchers have, BUT he knows BF and can produce results that very, very, very few other folks can produce.
What's wrong with asking for evidence?
Very often, nothing is wrong with asking for evidence. HOWEVER, you have to ask for or look for the right kind of evidence. You have to ask for and look for the type of evidence that the person in question might have. Keep in mind that Bear is NOT saying that he has some good pics, videos, or recordings of BF. In this case, asking Bear for that type of evidence is like asking him for the keys to Ft. Knox. He ain't got 'em,... never has, never will. Like I said earlier, I don't know if he evens owns a camera or recorder. Bear's evidence is the people that have BTDT with him, have been in the field with him, have seen him do what he does, and have witnessed the results first hand. But don't expect him to provide some list of all the folks he's taken into the field; you're probably going to have to look for that type of evidence yourself.
Also like I said earlier, those folks are out there and will talk with you, if you look in the right places AND with the right attitude. And your attitude is extremely important. Talk to anyone who gleans information from folks, as a normal part of their job, and you'll quickly find out that how you ask for something is MUCH more important than what you ask for.
Also like I said earlier, those folks are out there and will talk with you, if you look in the right places AND with the right attitude. And your attitude is extremely important. Talk to anyone who gleans information from folks, as a normal part of their job, and you'll quickly find out that how you ask for something is MUCH more important than what you ask for.
QUOTE(Coonbo @ Oct 15 2009, 12:32 PM)
Very often, nothing is wrong with asking for evidence. HOWEVER, you have to ask for or look for the right kind of evidence. You have to ask for and look for the type of evidence that the person in question might have. Keep in mind that Bear is NOT saying that he has some good pics, videos, or recordings of BF. In this case, asking Bear for that type of evidence is like asking him for the keys to Ft. Knox. He ain't got 'em,... never has, never will. Like I said earlier, I don't know if he evens owns a camera or recorder. Bear's evidence is the people that have BTDT with him, have been in the field with him, have seen him do what he does, and have witnessed the results first hand. But don't expect him to provide some list of all the folks he's taken into the field; you're probably going to have to look for that type of evidence yourself.
Also like I said earlier, those folks are out there and will talk with you, if you look in the right places AND with the right attitude. And your attitude is extremely important. Talk to anyone who gleans information from folks, as a normal part of their job, and you'll quickly find out that how you ask for something is MUCH more important than what you ask for.
Also like I said earlier, those folks are out there and will talk with you, if you look in the right places AND with the right attitude. And your attitude is extremely important. Talk to anyone who gleans information from folks, as a normal part of their job, and you'll quickly find out that how you ask for something is MUCH more important than what you ask for.
well said!
Thank you!
QUOTE(Quake @ Jun 2 2009, 07:23 PM)
Yes, I recall even Coy offered to let Melissa come down to her place to see *Fox* but once it got closer to confirming, she backed out...
Not saying that this bear character would back out, as he may not, but you can bet that Bruce would come home a few hundred dollars lighter, and with nothing but a well learned *lesson in -human- behavior*, not bigfoot......
Not saying that this bear character would back out, as he may not, but you can bet that Bruce would come home a few hundred dollars lighter, and with nothing but a well learned *lesson in -human- behavior*, not bigfoot......
Check out the blogtalk page of Bigfoottruth&lies...they have some more info on Bear and such.
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