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tugboatwa
After a late night sitting around the Red Barn's stove shooting the breeze with Kathy and Bob Strain, Craig and Marcy Woolheater, Monica Rawlins and Chris Buhtenbah, it wasn't surprising to find the Saturday speaker's lineup ran about an hour behind schedule.

First up was Christopher Murphy, author of Meet the Sasquatch! and Know the Sasquatch/Bigfoot. As his presentation was similar to ones he had given in Bellingham, WA in 2005 and Pocatello, ID in 2007, instead of a recap of last Saturday's presentation, I will instead provide my report on Murphy's presentation at the Sasquatch Research Conference.
QUOTE(me)
Christopher Murphy author of three books, most notably, Meet the Sasquatch

He said the book was designed to accompany the Vancouver Museum exhibit last year.
As he knew many of the conference attendees hadn't made it the exhibit, I'll bring to you¦ with stuff left on the editing room floor, he added with a laugh.

[NOTE]: Open your copies of the book and follow along if you wish.

The entrance opened into a number of stone carvings (p. 10) and a stone carving of what may be a depiction of a Sasquatch hand (p. 12). Wooden carved masks can be divided into categories – painted, which Murphy believes are mythological in origin and unpainted, which may be inspired by Sasquatch (p. 17-18). He talked about First Nations petroglyphs and pictographs found in such far-dispersed places as BC, New Mexico, and central California (the infamous "Hairy Man" drawings p. 19-21).

He talked about what he termed the Sasquatch classics, showing Albert Ostman's original notebook where he first detailed his encounter (p. 30), the Ruby Creek incident (p. 35), William Roe experience (p. 36), and Jerry Crew & the Bluff Creek tracks (p. 37).

As he began to touch on the Patterson-Gimlin film, he said he had talked to a radio talk show host on Vancouver Island who told Murphy, Kal Korff and company are "shady characters."¯

He showed his tabletop filmsite model (p. 58-62) as well as the "wood fragment"¯ found years later at Bluff Creek (p. 68-69) and detailed the reasons he believes it is the genuine article.

When David Daegling asks Why not use the foot to determine the height of Patty? Murphy answered, "I did!"¯ And he used the head to determine height (p. 99).

He wanted to display a "Bone Clone"¯ cast of what might have be interpreted to be aboriginal in nature, but the museum balked because of the implication that aborigines might be related to Sasquatch.

He also displayed photos of the original Bourtsev statue of Patty (which was on display during the conference next to Murphy's "film site" model, Rene Dahinden's plaid coat, and what Rene claimed, before his death in 2002, to be a Sasquatch nest¦ carefully separated into three plastic bags, debris from the sticks up to 12¯ inches in length, and bear grass.

He attempted to show Daniden's Kokanee Beer commercials, for which Rene won an award. Unfortunately the computer wouldn't cooperate.

Murphy said in his opinion Bob Heironimus' arms are too short and his legs are too long to have been able to hoax the P/G film. As he noted, "You can make arms appear longer with extensions, but there is no way you can shorten your legs."

And he said he believes he can see eyes, lips and teeth in the P/G film.
oregonfooter
You know Tug, now that's just... coverlaugh.gif cheating.
tugboatwa
I believe that I did the same thing when Murphy gave his presentation in Pocatello, ID. whistling.gif
Does it count that I took a photo of him?
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tugboatwa
Dr. John Bindernagel – author of North America's Great Ape - The Sasquatch
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“New findings and new ideas must… be presented to other scientists for evaluation.” Geographer Jeffrey Lewis

In spite of the above quote, “I was a bit naļve when I published my book in 1998,” Bindernagel said, “I should have added ‘Is It’ to the title.”
He said his book was “not at all popular, accepted or discussed by the scientific community.”

He questioned why scientists accepted the “square-toed fakes,” but failed to look at the spread-toed casts that appear real?

He talked about empirical science (brings up evidence) vs. theoretical science (which needs to suggest a theory.)

Geographic parsimony is allowed to trump analytical parsimony.

He showed a diagram of the Circularity of Scientific Reasoning in Dealing With Sasquatch:

1- Science is aware of hoaxes of tracks – conversely they appear unaware of true evidence
2- This reinforces the Taboo nature of what is considered a pseudo-science.
3- Which results in the rejection of scientific papers.
4- And results in the continued lack of awareness.

And this leads back to #1.

All this creates difficulty in presenting evidence to the scientific community, which adds to the “denial of peer review.”

He said he was impressed with the presentations of Munns and Nelson on Friday.

He also is working on a sequel to his book and had a proof copy with him (unfortunately, I didn't look at more than the cover.)
tugboatwa
Next speaker was Dmitry Pirkulov, a feature film producer, documentary film maker, and music producer from Moscow, Russia. He is a hominology research associate of Dimitri Bayennov and Igor Bourtsev.

Egads, I missed his presentation.
tugboatwa
Kathy Strain – Archeologist for the US Forest Service and author of Giants, Cannibals & Monsters
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Due to confidentiality issues I can not show more of Kathy's face, but this shot shows just how small the carved stone head is.

The Native Americans came across the Bering land Bridge around 14,000 years ago. Tribes were only formed about 1,000 years ago.

As the Native Americans spread through the North American continent, they settled in different regions. Native Americans from the same region have similar stories.

“Bigfoot is the most widespread mythical animal in Native traditions,” Strain said.

Both the Yakama (in the NW) and the Yokuts (Calif.) refer to a “cannibal monster,” a Bigfoot with a basket on it’s back. The Bigfoot would either 1- pick up kids, put them in the basket and eat them, 2- pick up kids, put them in the basket and raise them, or pick up young males, put them in the basket, and marry them.

The Native Americans would use whatever they had for art depictions. Bigfoot can be found in baskets, on totems, and in stone heads.

The stone heads came from the Columbia River region. There were 30 known to exist, but the whereabouts of seven are known today, mostly in museums.

She then introduced Tony Pleschia who recently found and bought one on E-bay for only $50. She originally thought it might have been African or Polynesian in origin, but experts in both fields did not recognize the carving. She and the owner are looking methods of determining the location of the rock’s origin.
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Tony holds his E-bay prize.

Strain said, “I don’t interpret the stories I collect, I let [the Native Americans] tell me what they mean.”

PS I forgot to note that the bottom of the rock carving has been shaved flat, presumably to allow the rock to stand up on a shelf. Kathy told me later that most of the other rock carvings of heads are rounded on the bottm.
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey tugboatwa TY for new saturday update about the yakima bigfoot round up. bill new_specool.gif
tugboatwa
The weekend's last speaker was Dr. Jeff Meldrum, Associate Professor of Anatomy and Anthropology, Idaho State University, Pocatello, Idaho and the author of Sasquatch: Legnd Meets Science
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The Patterson-Gimlin Film Re-Examined From the Ground Up.

Meldrum started his presentation by saying he felt Bill Munns talk “adds a whole other level to the discussion of the Patterson-Gimlin film.”

He also said, “I have a degree of frustration with the inane arguments perpetrated on the internet.”

He seemed to be particularly frustrated by arguments over tracks left by the subject.

He noted that while MK Davis’ theories have become “more colorful” recently, he thought Davis had provided some very good evidence. He was particularly struck by footage which show Roger Patterson stumbling into the sandbar, then backing up and Meldrum said, “You can see the disturbance in the sandbar and a track from the subject.”

Meldrum talked to Lyle Lafferty about Lafferty’s visit to the film site the Monday following the filming. In the phone conversation Lafferty told Meldrum, “I saw a long line of gigantic tracks across the sandbar. I also saw hoofprints and boot tracks.”

According to Meldrum, Laffety wasn’t convinced Bigfoot existed, but only told what he saw.

Meldrum said, “There is no question in my mind that a spontaneous string of tracks were created [at Bluff Creek] by a large, bi-pedal creature.”

Meldrum discussed his role in giving a preliminary name – Anthropoudies Ameriborealis (North American Great Ape). He said this was well received by the fifty-or-so scientists gathered at the New Mexico conference, except for one loud critic, a dinosaur expert.

He discussed his theory of the mid-tarsal break that can be seen in one of the cast tracks made by Bob Titmus at Bluff Creek.

He also talked about an upcoming Monster Quest episode, where he consults with an orthopedic surgeon.

Meldrum’s relative, also an orthopedic surgeon, said after examining the “Cripple Foot Casts” and remarked the subject that made them would most assuredly have a spinal cord lesion. The relatives supervisor has framed the photo of these casts and asks new interns to evaluate them.

Back to the Patterson-Gimlin footage, Meldrum said the white on the bottom the subject’s foot, is not sand, but simply an overexposure.

Meldrum also told the gathering of his seeing the P-G film in Spokane, WA, after which he bought a 11”x14” black and white photo that displays the curled fingers (as seen in MK Davis’ work, where Davis thought the subject was carrying a stick). Meldrum showed the B&W photo, and no stick… in fact, no curling of the fingers. “It looked like ‘Walk Like an Egyptian,’” he said. “This leads me to believe Davis’ work shows a photographic blemish.”

Once the stature of the subject is nailed down and the limb correlations are confirmed, this will equal an actual subject. “If not confirmation, it will at the least, raise the bar,” Meldrum concluded.

Meldrum did tell me he is working on a sequel to his book.
tugboatwa
After the catered dinner... who would have thought they would witness Bigfooters eat at linen-covered tables coverlaugh.gif, Mike Greene from North Carolina presented a short video clip (shot in what appeared to me to be infra-red) of something approaching a stump and seemingly removng a Zag Nut candy bar from the stump.

After introducing Greene, Matt Moneymaker while acknowledging that the crowd would indeed be taking photos and video of the clip, asked the crowd to not post them on the internet. "I don't want people making a decision based on a blurry copy," Moneymaker said. "Please wait for a better, more clear version." As much as I would like to say I am complying with MM wishes, the truth is at this inopportune moment the batteries in may camera went dead.

I apologize that I didn't take notes, so I am writing this from memory, and I didn't recall the gentleman's name... [thanks for having my back Anj].

Before Greene showed the clip he told us that he had lived in Pennsylvania, but he and his wife recently moved to North Carolina where their son is attending college. He has been going to this particular spot for quite a while, maybe once a week. He has tried bait, noting that small bathtub, squeeze toys seem to work the best.

On the night the footage was taken Greene was trying to figure out how to hide the camera... maybe way back inside his rig. He decided to put the camera on a tripod, and then drove about 200 yards away and waited for the tape to run through it's two-hour length.

He said he never heard or saw anything himself, but he next day he was pleased to find something on the tape.

Behind the stump there was a gradual decline down to a "gully." On the video clip an all-white figure appears to come up the hill from behind... it is unclear as to whether it walked up or crawled on it's approach. After a bit of "looking around," this figure appears to swipe the stump with it's right arm and apparently remove the candy bar. Later in the footage, a white figure (unclear that it is the same subject) is to the stumps right (on the screen), seemingly looking from behind a tree and displaying a swaying motion.

Greene did go back the next day, to find the candy bar was missing and took a bunch of photos of the area for comparison purposes.

While this was very interesting footage it was far from proof. My "socks never left my feet" during this presentation.

Below is where the photos (crappy as they) were before they were removed at Mr. Greene's demand.

edited by oregonfooter to remove pictures
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey tugboatwa everyone WOW... looks like jeff meldrum did awesome speech at the yakima bigfoot round up. also ty for the 2 new update about the yakima bigfoot round up as well iagree.gif bill
PEPPERSFARMS
QUOTE(tugboatwa @ May 19 2009, 02:37 AM) *
Kathy Strain – Archeologist for the US Forest Service and author of Giants, Cannibals & Monsters
Click to view attachment
Due to confidentiality issues I can not show more of Kathy's face, but this shot shows just how small the carved stone head is.

The Native Americans came across the Bering land Bridge around 14,000 years ago. Tribes were only formed about 1,000 years ago.

As the Native Americans spread through the North American continent, they settled in different regions. Native Americans from the same region have similar stories.

“Bigfoot is the most widespread mythical animal in Native traditions,” Strain said.

Both the Yakama (in the NW) and the Yokuts (Calif.) refer to a “cannibal monster,” a Bigfoot with a basket on it’s back. The Bigfoot would either 1- pick up kids, put them in the basket and eat them, 2- pick up kids, put them in the basket and raise them, or pick up young males, put them in the basket, and marry them.

The Native Americans would use whatever they had for art depictions. Bigfoot can be found in baskets, on totems, and in stone heads.

The stone heads came from the Columbia River region. There were 30 known to exist, but the whereabouts of seven are known today, mostly in museums.

She then introduced Tony Pleschia who recently found and bought one on E-bay for only $50. She originally thought it might have been African or Polynesian in origin, but experts in both fields did not recognize the carving. She and the owner are looking methods of determining the location of the rock’s origin.
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Tony holds his E-bay prize.

Strain said, “I don’t interpret the stories I collect, I let [the Native Americans] tell me what they mean.”


I worked with a lady who advised on her grandfather’s farm they discovered Indian artifacts one which was a small figure head and that part of the head was chipped off. She advised the area where the artifacts were discovered the ground was so compacted that the tractor could not pull a plow threw the ground.

I never saw the head artifact, but the description was about the same size as the one pictured. The head was the most significant discover they made, according to her. She never revealed the location of the area only that it was her grandfathers farm.



Drew
QUOTE(tugboatwa @ May 19 2009, 01:27 AM) *
He(Bindernagel) said he was impressed with the presentations of Munns and Nelson on Friday.


And he wonders why mainstream science doesn't accept Bigfoot science.
tugboatwa
I entered open-minded and I was impressed too.

I didn't post this in my recap of Nelson's presentation Friday night... I have never known quite what to make of the Sierra Sounds and I was almost ready to get and leave, but I'm glad I didn't.

Can't say that he convinced me completely, but much like Munns talk, I think more investigating is in order.
oregonfooter
QUOTE(tugboatwa @ May 19 2009, 10:11 AM) *
I apologize that I didn't take notes, so I am writing this from memory, and I don't recall the gentleman's name... SORRY.


Mike Greene
tugboatwa
Thank you, Anjie.
DonDon
MK Davis’ theories have become “more colorful” recently. LOL Mr High Horse needs to research MK's IDEAS abit more before me makes any statements. Video and picture PROOF should be good enough for anyone, just not him
peregrine
Personally, I thought Meldrum's characterization of MK Davis, at least as presented by Tug, was EXTREMELY charitable.

JMO
tugboatwa
That was, I believe, Meldrum's intent.
DonDon
Just KNOW what I've seen from him. He was at the Mississippi Meeting a couple weeks back that I put on and if you've never seen what MK has to show, it'll make you think twice. Thing is, MK isn't just baseing things on pictures and the videos (more than 1 was taken at that time. 3 people were there with cameras) He's baseing things on TALKING to the right people. You'd be amazed at what certain people have told him about the whole PG situation. These are people that would know what happened, not based on speculation.
Titus
Uh huh.

I'm thinking this is a thinly veiled reference to some of the new "information" or "discoveries" being posted on the GCBRO board in the last day or two. Give him time, he'll get there eventually.. Thought I'd just speed things along a little...



Brace yourselves..
Paul1968UK
So MK's recent work is based on 'ideas' and 'talking to people', then finding 'stuff' in the film to fit the stories.

Thats a novel approach to science!




DonDon, are you saying that there were three people with cameras at Bluff Creek? Or have I misunderstood what you are saying.

BTW - I think you mean 'film', not 'video'.
Teresa
Maybe he means three people with cameras at his shindig? scratchhead.gif
Paul1968UK
No, I'm afraid I took a look - MK and fans believe that Roger, Bob, John and Rene were all at Bluff creek with 4x4s, logging trucks, dogs and three cameras and from what I understand that the important part of the PGF was taken with John Green's camera so it shoudl now be called the Green-Patterson Film, that they were all busy a'shootin' sasquatch while Bob Titmus got busy skinning them, (and presumable selling the skins to Wal*Mart as winter fur coats).


And they would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for that pesky MK Davis...



Un-freakin-believeable.
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey everyone good morning ok well any new updates new photos of the yakima bigfoot round up or even video clips of the event. keep me posted ok.. ty bill thumbup.gif
Grazhopprr
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Dudlow
cool.gif Wow, talk about the gift that keeps on giving! bash.gif
Dudlow
Sasquat.ch
hey tugboatwa, thank's a lot for your posts!

Did you take photos of Bindernagels new book? Did you hear anything about the Kentucky project?
tugboatwa
Sadly no, and thankfully no.
P. Beaton
QUOTE(Sasquat.ch @ May 20 2009, 08:09 AM) *
hey tugboatwa, thank's a lot for your posts!

Did you take photos of Bindernagels new book? Did you hear anything about the Kentucky project?



Sasquat.ch,

Last time I chatted with John(last month or so), his book was yet to get to publishers(I think if I'm recallin' right ?). So it's not out as far as I know. Start savin' cause he was mentionin' it may be costly !? Fingers crossed that it's not, cause it's soundin' like a good read.

Pat...
JayleeD
All discussion on Greene's thermal image has been moved to a new thread....


http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=26555

billgreen2005bigfoot
hey researchers good afternoon wow im realy happy im still seeing new updates etc about the resent yakima bigfoot round up event keep those updates etc comeing here indeed smile.gif
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