Check this recent report out:

http://www.texasbigfoot.com/Lamar7.html

Can you believe it ? If its true and they really did have this strange creature then let it go, its VERY frusterating!!!!!!

What do you all make of it?

I vote HOAX!

Yeah, what RB said.

Like the mother wouldn't have shown up and ripped that hog trap to shreds. Much less what might have happened to the "witness".

Also, from reading the investigator's notes, I'd say he was had. Showed up and waited around all day, no witness. "Come back tomorrow and I'll show you the baby bigfoot". Next day, "Oh, we let him go."

"Pull my finger." :roll:

The guy says he has a baby bigfoot and sets a up a meeting. The guy doesn't show up, so the investigator calls back to set up another meeting. Oh, sorry. Guy says he let baby bigfoot go. Hmmm.

Unless there's something they're not telling us, I ain't buying it. Nope, not even for a dollar.


Why bother?

want to bet it's described as "Jacko" was supposed to look?

I'm really tired of reading and hearing lies about BF. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY REAL PROOF?


Jesse

I'm voting hoax too! :roll:

*geeeEEEEeeeeEEEEEshhhhhh*

OK, talk to the hand dude .. no evidence, not even a photograph ?!?!?!
Ok thanksforcallin BUHbye *big false plastic smile*

just a thought gang......a 4 footer..... unless a real wimp.... would probably be able ...if so motivated....to kick any of our butts.....maybe the trapper was really big and tough.....who knows.........

I was just reading through some of the posts in another thread about the Bigfoot that supposedly lived under the trailer. Some were very critical of the report and the witness, and then others claimed that we(researchers) shouldn't question witnesses so harshly. We(TBRC) DO follow up on our reports before they get posted. If we get a report that doesn't have contact info or we can't contact the witness, we DON'T post it to the website.

As far as the report on our website, of the 9 posts here in this thread, 5 say hoax and 1 says it's a lie. Pull my finger & why bother? We are still investigating this and are in the process of checking the cage for any hair samples. I'm glad everyone was able to make a determination without being onsite and factoring in all of the corroborating evidence.

Craig

This is what separates you from other sites who'll post whatever ends up in their in-box regardless of the claim. It's to be commended.


I'm very interested to find out what you can determine. As I alluded to in my post, there may be aspects of the report that make you more likely to believe the claim than I am. On the surface, however, the facts presented do not sound too promising. If there's more to it, I'd like to hear that, too.

Finally, I'd like to thank you for coming in here and sticking up for the report. There are folks out there who would totally dismiss us because we're being critical. Your willingness to respond in an unreceptive environment says something about you and the TBRC.

Craig, if I sounded presumptuous with the "pull my finger" response, it's because I was being presumptuous. However, it wasn't my intent to belittle you, your organization or the particular investigator that attempted to (and apparently succeeded in, eventually) contact the witness concerning their report.

As Bipto has already pointed out, you are the only one of us with the benefit of having the full details of the investigation and the credibility (or lack of) of the witness. God (or the devil, depending on your point of view) is in the details and since we don't have all those details, try not to hold it too much against us if we sound like we're having a hard time buying the credibility of the witness in this case.

Maybe I'm just getting more cynical in my old age but I've been BSed too many times in the past to take anything at face value. Especially when it seems that someone has just tried to pull one over on you and your organization based on the way the report was written up.

However, by you posting here and defending your position, it's clear to me that your integrity is sincere. And that being the case I truly look forward to hearing what your follow up investigation yields.

Not to defend my cynicysim(sp.)but like Fishy said if in not the exact wording fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.I'll admit I'm not there but as was pointed out by bipto and Fishy from the facts we were given on the case.i for one made the natural assumption of hoax,based on what I knew.I think of ti in terms of what I personally would do if I ever caught something, and then contacted an agency involved in whatever kind of research.I'm not going to lose it in a period of hours(or days whatever the case)no disrespect intended,but if you're upset about people jumping to conclusions maybe you should give them ALL the facts to ensure that doesn't happen.

My opinion on this means absolutely nothing Craig. :wink:

We are only looking at the story as it is presented, in order to form an opinion about it. Probably something we shouldn't do. It was presented as "Hey you guys...come look what I caught" then the guy never shows up for the meeting and then suddenly the creature is gone. That does sound off all kinds of alarm bells for me. We may not have been given all the evidence in this particular case and are speaking too soon, but until such time as we have the evidence...it does "sound" like a hoax. But then again, that is maybe judging too harshly....people are innocent until proven guilty.

Yeah Craig, what Fishbone said...I also in no way mean to belittle you or your organization. I have nothing but the greatest respect for what you are doing. I also admire your coming on here to defend your organization...but then, this is not really the most unreceptive environment you could find on the web...nonetheless, you are to be commended.

But, I think we have the right to post opinions regarding reports of sightings and situations we come across on this subject. All we can do is evaluate what information we have at any given time. If we sat back and waited to have all of the information to form an opinion....we may have a very long wait....heck, we wouldn't even be able to form our own opinion regarding the possible existence of a Bigfoot creature!

If this report turns out to be valid, I'll not only be surprised, but as disappointed as anyone that a live creature was set loose without any validation as to it's existence. But, I gotta tell you that after being a firefighter and paramedic for 18 years, I think I've probably seen my fair share of a human's ability to fabricate an untruth...and the ability to stick to that story no matter what...ok, so I'm somewhat cynical and extremely skeptical where the "truth" is concerned. There are several points in the report that make me suspicious. It sounds like the RP (reporting party) is telling a story about a child that caught a lizard and kept it in a shoebox for a couple of days. Nothing like, "OMG!" "Come get this thing!" "He/she is screaming constantly, hurting itself trying to escape, stinks like hell, I'm afraid his family will come for it"...and like jon says, "is probably big enough to kick my @ss if it ever escapes!"

So please excuse any postings that appear to be questioning the validity of any reports, there is certainly no malice intended towards you or your organization. And please, keep us updated as to any further information on this case as it develops. Please, prove me wrong and I will shut my big mouth. But until then, I'm sorry if I offend anyone...but I still think it's a hoax...IMO.

On this board, you can always say what you want regarding what's found on other sites (or even this one!). It's the whole reason I started BFF in the first place. There wasn't an independent forum where people like us could share ideas, opinions, etc.

I would hope we'd always be as respectful as possible, but I have to imagine we'll tick a few folks off along the way...

Uh Oh !!!!!!!

But seriously, I was wondering about the hog traps.....I have come upon some very unforunate domestic dogs that were caught in traps while horseback riding before......these were fair size traps and I don't know why anyone put them there as this was a trail used by people and horseback riders ...but the point is these poor dogs...when the guy I was riding with finally managed to free them, there paws were mangled and they hobbled off on three legs ....

Is a hog trap as devastating? The report does not mention any injuries sustained by the supposed baby bigfoot.....

Msfit, a hog trap is usually a very, very sturdy "box" type trap that catches the animal whole without harming it.

It sounds like what you're referring to is a leghold trap. I personally hate leghold traps and I've hacksawed through several of them when I've found them placed in areas where they're illegal. If I had my way, the things would be outlawed completely!

Plus, usually if an animal is caught in a leghold trap and they're not removed quickly enough, they'll eventually gnaw off the leg that is being held in order to escape. If a bigfoot were to be caught in one and was unable to release itself, chances are it would do the same thing.

I guess the main question I would have is "Where are the samples?"

If any animal with long hair spent even one night in a trap, there would be hair samples to be found. Also, there should be some scat left by the animal as well. I can only assume they have collected these samples and are having them analyzed?

Wow Fishy, how'd we do that, we posted at the same time! LOL

GMTA!

Could also be GMPAST

(Great minds post at same time)

Unfortunately this happened to a cat I owned. Someone had placed a trap near our land and my cat gnawed his back leg off and came back home. Poor thing, we took him to the vet and he learned how to hobble around on 3 legs from then on better than you can imagine!

Isn't the use of those leg traps the way the phrase "Coyote Ugly" evolved? Not that I would have any experience with that term...

Signed,
Lefty

I think it is RB. (ummm...not that I have any experience either)

Is this some inside joke from the movie or are you really a Lefty RB????

It sure would explain ALOT about you !

Msfit is a lefty, too :wink:

Fishbone is three.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Nope msfit, I'm not really a lefty...well, not until that rather unfortunate incident in Reno about twenty years ago when I had to gnaw off my right paw to escape....the details are rather hazy....I'd rather not talk about it.

But hey, since the separate hemispheres of the human brain transmit signals to the opposite side of the body, left-handed people are the only ones in their right minds!

My thoughts exactly 8)

RB!

That's one of my favorite sayings!

Gee am I the only one on here that knows how to do things "right"?




It's a joke! Really!

so if we're ambidextirous does that make us confused?

No. It makes you a show-off!

LMAO!!thanks my self esteem is soooo much better now.

Show off!!!

Jim is a show off...a show off... a show off.... Jim is a show off......

Oh sorry Jim....I got carried away.....

hay wait a minute,I never said I was ambidextrous,I just asked a question. (only slightly )

Don't worry Jim, you aren't alone, my husband's a show-off too!

Soooo.... any news on this one Craig?

Nope, no news. The folks that were involved with that case and many others in that area are no longer involved with our group. Seems we were too judgmental when examining the evidence that was presented.

Join the club..

Geez...how dare you..... :rolleyes: why can't you just believe....

LMAO @ Jim.

Thanks for the update, Craig. (And thanks for bringing this back up, RB. I was just thinking about this thread the other day.)

Something intrigued me about this report. It was the fact that the father letting it loose was such a big deal. Yeah I know, it is a big deal. Even if the report is totally fabricated, and I think it is, I always wonder how much evidence has slipped away because Farmer John had to get the hay baled or some other chore had to be done. I also think Bigfoot has made some really stupid-ass mistakes over the years especially near rural homes/farms/ranches. It would do us all a bit of good to give ourselves some credit and take away the mystique of bigfoot being a genius animal. Maybe with a more dominant attitude we could pull off bagging one.

I'm rambling now, I know that, I'll stop.

BTW I'm an ambidextrous lefty. Although I really prefer my left side. I have an aunt who is an ambidextrous lefty too. She can write equally well with both hands and usually changes hands in mid sentence without even thinking about it.

Just how long does that take to check a cage for hair samples?

Im thinking 45 minutes close inspection with a magnifing glass is being generous ...

Im not intentionally trying to be an ass Craig but I seriously would like an answer.

That is my question as well Lisa ...

We are told:

"We are still investigating this and are in the process of checking the cage for any hair samples"

There is either hair in the cage or there is not.
It does not (IMO) take more than a minute to look and collect them if they are in fact present in the cage.

At least this is what I think and I am hoping for some explanation or clarification.

George,
The property owners would never allow us on the property to examine the cage. The former member of the group who is a nearby resident is no longer involved with our group. There is much hoaxing going on in that area. As such, we are no longer investigating the area.

Craig

George,
On our website it states:
"This report was unable to be verified and is considered suspect."

Personally, I feel that even a hoaxed report should remain on the website. We are out to uncover not only the truth, but the untruths as well.

Craig

Yeah that pretty much explains it Craig ...

The report was bogus and your investigator never had access to the cage if it ever existed.

There was no "in the process" after all.

I appreciate you clarifying this.

Thanx!

From the comfort of my chair, I say it was a hoax.

The fact that the people involved never showed up, as they said they would, is a bad sign. The *face like a gorilla* line sounds contrived, to me, anyway.

But, I agree, in that you need to leave hoaxes on the site, as well as the *unknowns*....