That dosn't make sense to me Dr. Drew. I answered your questions yet I'm not interested in this medical questionaire ???



Also you didn't explain the medical reason for these questions:



Thanks for your time.

Nope...

HUNTOR
You asked: How do these relate to a sleep disorder?



If you had been camping multiple times before by yourself, then I would think it less likely that you were scared. And because it is one of your first times camping by yourself, it is possible that some fear caused your subconscious to project a dream state into your wakefulness.

If you hadn't completed your enlistment my next question would have been "Did you recieve a medical discharge due to a sleep disorder"? but you said you completed it, so no further questions there.

Same with the driving question, if you answered yes, then I would have followed with: "are you prevented from driving due to narcolepsy, or other sleep disorder?"

G'day Huntor,

I have spent some time thinking about your dilemma. If you decide to return you must take a few mates along. The problem is that as the number of bushwalkers increases, the chances of getting a Dooligahl in tow that is prepared to follow and intimidate decreases. Also, the chance that your earlier encounter is repeatable has a low probability. Consequently, if you and some mates were to use an adaption of the "bunny" or "random" method, where each individual sets off for the mountain an hour apart, it might just improve the odds. When you rendezvous you will have some backup.

Just an idea.

Neil

Ah, the "old" night terrors, narcolepsy, sleep paralysis inquisition again, some things never change, the one track approach is alive
and well. Ignore it, chances are better that your encounter was a live cryptid.

What?
You mean you don't think all of the witnesses are hallucinating the exact same image?
OH NO!

One common thread among this hominids wherever the reports happen to come from is that they favor isolated spots such as rugged mountains that is uncanny...

Keep pressing on huntor...regardless of yours, mine or any other persons belief of BF/Yowie we will never know without physical evidence. The only way that will happen is if more people get out there and look. It is my position that as long as we sit behind our computer screens we will not know for sure. It will take actually going out into the bush, swamps and mountains to know for sure. Too bad most people can't spend 2 minutes in these areas without complaining about being cold, wet and hungry.

If you go into the woods follow this rules:

1. Never, ever go alone always have at least 2 or more companions...

2. Bring plenty of water, snacks for if you get hungry, food, insect repellent, the works...

3. It goes without saying you'll need a camera or cameras and if possible Thermal detection equipment (FLIR) sadly FLIR is awfully expensive for most of us, myself included.

Punk, that's actually not in the least true.
Many, if not most, reports come from relatively settled areas. Obviously the first reason for that is, that is where most of the people are.
But...thinking that only the reports from the very wildest areas are the "real" ones, and reports from settled area are by definition, false, might just be the single greatest mistake many researchers or enthusiasts make.
Just to be clear, by settled, I don't mean downtown Manhattan..but I DO mean a great deal of this continent outside of the true wilderness areas.

@nightwing - That's a very palatable critique.

For us all, do you think that the report sightings data bases carry enough data in the time line to lend validity to this one way or the other?

When I look at the google earth overlays I see some very dense concentrations, and some very sparse areas. What are your thoughts?

Hey N.S.
Difficult to answer this in less t hen a small book..but in a nutshell, I think sighting reports and maps can assist one in identifying patterns..but individual reports really are useless outside of their mass numerical value(hope that makes some sense). The problem is, we have no way of defining which reports are "real" which are hoax, and which are mistakes on a one by one basis. Also, unless you have a "red hot" report(as in...hours or at most, days, old), chasing individual reports for the purpose of actually SEEING one or otherwise gathering evidence..is really not going to amount to much, IMO.
As to the larger question of my post above, my point is that even if the population is much lower in a rural eastern area(say..the mountain areas of the east, or the forested and fringe areas of the upper Midwest) then it is in the deep wilderness of the west...given the relatively limited living and travel areas they will have in areas that are human-settled, then identifying and concentration on travel routes or other key areas will actually be a bit easier. In the end...a population of animals need not be the largest, to be the easiest to find and study. The study of existing known wildlife of all types has shown that time and time again.

Thanks nightwing,

When I think about data reporting human population moving back to urban centers, and then contemplete a reduction in BF population, I would expect sightings to decrease. However I can not see where there is any decrease in CLASS-A sightings.

Some things seem to ring true, as to % of sighting near water and forest, but that too has a lot of exceptions.

Hey Huntor mate...good read....I know the area you are talking about......my experience in the bush tells me it what you encountered was one of two things....it was either a Hairy man or two fooling round with you...or...it was a person/people....Up North Queensland there are a few guys whom live in the bush full-time or part-time like hermits...as well as a number who spend time in there growing 'wacky backy'....maybe you encountered a couple of bushwalkers who decided to spook you......until you can find signs mate..the jury is still out...a few footprints, strange turds would help point us in the right direction.....just be careful you don't decide Yowie before you look at other possibilities.....but, in saying that mate..you may well have had a close encounter with the a Hairy Man.....

G'day Rod,

Sorry Rod. I don't totally agree. Seems like a clear Dooligahl case to me.

Neil

Hey Huntor

Nice report, keep up the good work mate.

G'day Neil...Most likely it was probably a Hairy Man or two that Huntor had near him, but we cannot be sure....and thats where the rub is....we just don't know...cheers

G'day Huntor,

Thanks for a fascinating thread. its been top reading and you kept your cool. not by facing the mythological hairy bush beast, but by not over reacting to silly questions. Have you asked Neil Frost to accompany you on your next trip into the bush? ive got a fealing thats what he meant when he said 'dont go alone' - ie 'take me, take me'. I know you should never hook up with web strangers, but he seems like a good guy. an academic, probably a proffessor. It could be like the old master Obi One Canobi passing on his secret skills to the young buck Luke Skywalker in order to fight the evil empire of Darth (Yowie) Vader. Plus Obi has some neat kit you could make use of (night camera and head torch from the film Ghost Busters) to catch a glipse of the elusive beast. let me know how you two get on.

Megatarsal

Drew just single-handedly solved all Sasquatch encounters, they are all hallucinations from sleep disorders

you've gone and done it now

Makes more sense than someone seeing a Giant, Unclassified, North American, Hairy, Bipedal, Babysitting Primate.

That's hillarious

Not necessarily. Each BF sighting/report should be weighed on it's own merit and investigated thoroughly. This is where some folks miss the boat completely by either taking unsupported claims and running with them or discounting all sightings as rubbish.

Think about it, there really aren't very many sightings every year. Some sort of trauma, or neurological disorder, or chemical inbalance causing some form of hallucination, could easily explain the few sightings every year, for which a hoax or a lie has been ruled out.

The thing about BFF and other forums, is that it gives people that have had a 'sighting' the illusion that it is a common occurence, when in reality it it not common at all, you are just socializing with others that gather here, so it seems more commonplace.

to account for EVERY situation, I highly doubt that.

The quantity of sightings is less important than the quality, and this sometimes seems to get overlooked. Keep in mind that we don't know how many sightings go unreported and without that information we can't gather any semblance of the total amount of sightings. I feel that if one looks at all aspects of a report, starting at the source, you can generally determine whether there's some validity to it or if it's missing key ingredients or details that would have been included by any reasonable person making a claim. Unfortunetly, we are not there yet and there is no discernable set of standards so these reports tend to trickle in---willy nilly, for a variety of reasons.
The BFF is in fact a place for like-minded folks (pro and con) to gather, socialize, discuss, etc... and that's to be expected because it is after all--topic specific, but I for one don't take that to mean there are more or less reported sightings or that any unsubstantiated report is valid. I would be hestitant however to simply group the reports that aren't readily debunked into a basket labelled "hallucination" or any other medical malady because that's just as reckless as taking the reports at face value, IMO.

Good read,

it would be if we can get back to the point, ie Huntors (so called dillusional) experience with the Dooligah.

Megatarsal

What's interesting is that this animal (or, indeed, animals, as it seems to have been) were desperate not to be seen, but also keen to try and get close to Huntor. This, plus the copycat noise creation, indicates to me curiosity, a degree of testing and even playfulness. Otherwise their mixture of aggression and reticence doesn't make sense, especially when it must have become clear to the animals that our mate Huntor wasn't going to flee.

If it all happened as reported, I can't shake the feeling that the things wandered off before daybreak saying to each other; "You know, I wish more of those things were as brave as that. You can have quite a bit of fun with them."

are there cassowaries in the blue ridge mountains?

G'day BABADADADEDEDEDSODODODODEDADADEBABA.........To answer your question...no...the Blue Mountains are way too south for Cassowaries...They live in the Northern Tropics of Queensland, in the rainforests....the only other place they are found is the smaller version in Papua New Guinea...cheers Rod

Was that the Hawai 5-0 theme tune or Strangers in the Night (exchanging bf stories)?

Megatarsal

Ps Rod, those funny videos were hillarious. gave myself a coughing fit

Speaking of which, I had my first 'sleep hallucination' night before last. I woke up in the middle of the night, but then must have fallen asleep without realizing it. What was odd was that my 'dream state' was being in my bed, in exactly the same position and circumstances in bed. Never had anything like that happen before.

The upshot was I -thought- I was still awake. That was when the 'weirdness' started, because there was definitely someone in the bed with me.

I could feel them moving around right next to me. Not being aware that one could dream you were in bed in the exact circumstances when you fell asleep, I was sure this was 'reality'.

But then I woke up and there was no one there, or so it appeared. What complicated matters is this happened 5-6 times in a row. I'd relax, not realize I'd fallen asleep, see my bedroom and sense and feel this person moving around in the bed next to me.

Hope that doesn't happen again, because it was definitely no fun.

I now understand, in part, how people can seem to experience a presence, think they're awake in their room, but actually be in a sort of hypnagogic state.

That was no hallucination, 'BJohnson', that was just the 'small grays' checking in to see what condition your condition was in, nyuk-nyuk. Oh, and if it hasn't happened to you yet, wait until you experience 'sleep paralysis' wherein you are fully conscious but can not move a muscle, except for your eyes. That's quite freaky, too; especially if you manage to catch a glimpse of the SGs on their way out as they dematerialize through your bedroom wall.
Dudlow

Yeah it's really weird isn't it? It's only happened to me once that I can remember and to this day I can't decide if it was a dream or the ghost of my father.

It was about ten years after his death and I was living in a newly built home that had coincidentally been built on the street where my dad had grown up, it might have even been built where the old house once stood, I sometimes wonder about that.

I was napping and just as I was waking up someone sat down on the side of the bed, put both hands on my back, leaned forward and kissed the back of my head, then got up off the bed. I sat up and looked and there was no one there.

I was really touched by it, not freaked out at all.

Drew,

I am not now, nor have I ever been under the impression that being on this site or any other BF site makes what I saw run across the road in broad daylight on a beautiful, sunny, August day common. Nor do I suffer from any sleep disorder, other than always wanting more. I am an educated , gainfully employed, sorta rational and somewhat grounded person that saw something, I can explain in no other way, than to call it...Bigfoot or Sasquatch or Yowie or any other name you want to place on it. I personally don't care what you call it.

I think Huntor's account of what happened to him on his trip into the bush was something beyond a condition of his mind. In short, I believe he had an encounter, albeit an adrenalin filled encounter but an encounter with something other than a sleeping disorder. But then again, this is a forum and I guess what I have to say doesn't mean diddly squat in the larger picture of this enigma.

Cheers

Hi

But then again, this is a forum and I guess what I have to say doesn't mean diddly squat in the larger picture of this enigma.

Wouldn't be much of anything at all if we didn't have folks posting what they were thinking about ~

Peace
Tim

Tim, just once, I want to catch you off guard!

but, I would gather it is not called a hypnagogic hallucination or sleep disorder nevertheless

I more than agree bipedalist!

I had to google hypnagogic hallucinations because I had absolutely no idea what it was and found that they can occur at sleep onset, either during daytime sleep episodes or at night. They are usually quite vivid, and often involve vision. The visual hallucinations usually consist of simple forms – colored circles or parts of objects – that are constant or changing in size. People may also see the image of an animal or a person, and are more often in color. Auditory hallucinations are also common, but other senses are seldom involved. Hypnagogic hallucinations are dreams that intrude on wakefulness, which can cause visual, auditory, or touchable sensations. They occur between waking and sleeping, usually at the onset of sleep, and can also occur about 30 seconds after a cataleptic attack. Hypnagogic hallucinations are a feature of narcolepsy.

While I don't know Huntor personally I would venture a guess that he doesn't suffer from this condition or any other sleep or lack of sleep induced dementia due to his answers already provided above. I, while again not an expert, have no sleep disorders, that I know of nor was I in any particularly unusual state of mind during my encounter. Neither, for that matter was my buddy that saw the same thing.

Cheers
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Peace
Tim

Interesting. In my case, what tipped me off was the 'Groundhog Day' nature of it. It happened 4-5 times, same thing, same scene, same movement. At the time, I guess I was a bit groggy, and didn't realize I was falling into micro sleep, waking up -inside- my dream, seeing and feeling this happen, then -actually- waking up (I think) and it was just me in bed.

It was all seamless, so I couldn't tell -when- I was awake, and when I had gone into micro-sleep, then thought I woke up, because the scene, my bed and side of the room remained constant. (I was lying on my right side throughout all of it).

Up until now, I had only read about the 'Old Hag' syndrome, or the hypnagogic or sleep paralysis phenomenon. I can empathize better with people who report things then admit they're not sure if it was reality or not.