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robo
Here's a cut and paste from Cryptozoology.com.. A certain Jerry Coleman went to the location of the Skunkape sightings and seems to have done some investigation, but at some point, i started to get a funny feeling.. can you guess when that was?

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Subject:
Skunk Ape UpDATE; Tennessee
ip: 24.159.42.XXX  

From:
Jerry D. Coleman,  View Profile
posted Nov 26, 5:30pm  




TENNESSEE SKUNK APE UpDATE; 26 Nov. 2003

First let me say to the locals & lurkers of this site you are welcome to copy and use this report, I only have two requests, please don't edit a meaning away and give proper credit. Thank You. (Names have been withheld until case has concluded. )

I must admit my mission when investigating such events as the recent flap of a hairy animal creature in Campbell County Tennessee is one of extreme skeptical caution. Openly documenting my findings and constantly reviewing the data to assure myself nothing stated has been pure conjecture. With that said I will present the facts as they unfolded Saturday evening November 22nd, Sunday the 23rd and into Monday the 24th, of 2003.

Arriving in Campbell County or more specifically Jacksboro and La Follette, Tennessee I as always (once on the scene) spent a number of hours touring the town and adjacent areas becoming familiar with the streets, points of interest and public office locations. Satisfied with my acclimatization my associate and I sat up camp between Jacksboro and La Follette. The evening went without incident and was spent mapping an outline to proceed with in the morning.

We awoke early and headed to a local coffee house for breakfast. Here is where I interviewed the first of many locals. Everyone of the people I spoke to that morning laughed off the complete ordeal of the Skunk Ape sightings. They had comments such as, “ Oh that, its all bullshit!” or “There’s nothing out there but a few crazy people seeing things!” But when I went to pay the bill a fellow came up and whispered, “Meet me outside.” Outside by the car he approached me and said, “Something’s out there, my Uncle saw it!” The only other information he was willing to give was that the sighting took place two miles south of La Follette.

As I pulled out of the parking lot of the coffee shop around 10:30 a.m. the main drag between Jacksboro and La Follette was now peppered with locals setting -up and selling out of there vehicle trunks, which were brought out by the warm sunny November day. Stopping at each vendor pretending to look over their products I would question them about the Skunk Ape reports. Not one of them had anything to say more than personal theories. My associate and I then proceeded northeast on Route 63 to an Exxon station, here I fueled and spoke with a female clerk about the sightings. At first she didn’t care to talk about it at all. Then I asked if the sightings had stopped and she snapped back, “Oh lord no, someone saw it the other day.” I asked where, she replied, “ If you turn back around, head through town [La Follette] and turn left at the bank heading out of town, those people in that area reported seeing it a few days ago.”

Following the clerks directions I headed back southwest. Turning left at the bank (Tennessee Street) as instructed I noticed a small brown Vega-like car with a yellow front right fender following me. Going the speed limit I soon was out of town and in open country with the Vega still in tow. The Vega then flashed its lights a few times and I pulled off, all it did was buzz by me. Continuing on to a couple of homesteads we walked the grounds and talked about the recent sightings with the residences, nothing more than rumors were mentioned. Around 3:45 p.m. I started back to town when up from behind came what appeared to be the same brown Vega but this time it kept flipping it’s left turn signal on and off as it would flash it’s headlights frantically. I saw a gravel-like road off to my left, up ahead and decided to turn left down this road, thinking perhaps this is what the drivers message was and apparently it was, because the driver drove by honking as if success of his mission was fulfilled.

Following the gravel road six tenths of a mile the area came to an open “turn-around” with a creek and woods all around. My associate and I walked some of the area and ventured well back into the woods but as dark was falling we felt it best to return to town and earmarked this area for future exploration in full daylight. Returning to the main road, I put my left signal on and noticed two white S-10 pick-up trucks speeding up the highway with there left turn signals on to enter the single lane gravel road I was sitting on waiting to make my turn back to the main road, so I hurried my turn to clear there way as it looked as if they were not going to stop. Watching in the mirror and over my left shoulder the two white Chevy pick-ups turned on the gravel road and raced out of sight, almost bumper to bumper. All I could see was one person in each of the vehicles and what looked like some official round emblem on the passenger doors. Continuing on, a decision I now regret, we went back to town.

Going to Jacksboro and the Sheriff Department I was able to interview Deputy Sheriff X. Xxxxxxxx. The Deputy was reluctant at first but soon opened up with numerous stories and reports of the Skunk Ape. He stated he had been on most all of the calls as it was his main beat area.

The next question asked of the Deputy was the location. He said, “Most of the reports are around or by the caves.” I said “Caves!” He said, “Yes, a number of caves are out there.”

I asked him if there were any official reports that I could get of the calls, since they were public record.
He quickly said, “ Oh yes, many I would think, just call over there (as he pointed to the Sheriff’s building) and one of the girls will fix you up tomorrow (Monday).

I asked Deputy X when the last report or call the Sheriff office has had was and when was the first call? He replied, “ The first call was a lady saying an ape had grabbed her kitten and threw it, that’s how all of this started and as for recent reports, we haven’t had any calls about it [skunk ape] for over a month now.”

The Deputy told me of a Jerome Love they at the department refer to as a 10-94 (mental case) adding, “Mr. Love owns many exotic animals and has kept this department VERY busy for years.”

Asking the Deputy what has been the average description of this thing they call a Skunk Ape, he said, “It’s said to be 2 to 3 feet tall, dark brown or black hair covering its entire body. One gentleman told me he believes the animal has been on his property and wants it taken care of because his grand children play there every weekend.”

I then asked the Deputy about the alleged shooting of the critter and he replied very sternly, “No one from this office shot anything, no one even pulled out their weapons, believe me, if that thing would have been shot by one of us it would have made headline news!”

After wrapping up a few more interviews I left town and drove back home to Church Hill, Tennessee. First thing Monday I started on my calling detail. First calling xxxxxxxx at the Sheriffs Department where she transferred me over to the records department and a Mr. Xxxxxx. Mr. X was quite helpful and stated, “Yes we have many calls on the Skunk Ape.” He then stated he was searching for them on the computer but it appeared no one had entered them, so he said, “ Give me about thirty minutes and give me a call back, I’ll physically go through the logs by hand and round them up for you.” I waited 45 minutes then called Mr. X back. As if surprised he stated he couldn’t find any, “I can’t find a one, not one and I know they were here or should be, I started back at the first of October and went through every call.” I said, “ Could it be that if no property damage or personal injury was reported then no report would have been made?” He said, “No that’s not the case, these are disturbance calls I’m searching and not one call is logged, I don’t get it!”

Now my focus had turned to sharing the information I had gathered on this recent trip and telephone conversations of the Tennessee Skunk Ape, so an e-mail was sent to Mary Green, a well known and well respected bigfoot researcher also here in Tennessee and like me no more than 80 miles from the latest Bigfoot epicenter. This turned out to be quite an ordeal, e-mails were sent, false claims made and facts obviously rearranged. Mary Green and I along with the help of Ella Xxxxx got it all straighten out but now the question must be asked, if records can be lost in a police station, white speeding official looking vehicles can fly down a road and out of sight, a brown mysterious Vega hinting at what direction to go, then how much of a stretch would it be to think someone or some organization wanting to keep things “in check” could and would tamper with known Cryptozoologist’s e-mails in order to throw them off the track or at the very least cause havoc, hardship and / or distrust between colleague’s ?

This case is far from over………Copyright 2003, Jerry D. Coleman author of “Strange Highways”.



-robo
Howlingmad
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StacyInMI
Oh - my - GOD. :rolleyes:
Squatchwatch
Well, Robo, it read quite well, that is until I got to the last paragraph.
Then it went to hell in a handbasket...credability zero, zilch, nada...
Now, had he said, "an e-mail was sent to John Green, a well known and well respected bigfoot researcher", he wouldn't have generated nausea...
robo
Yeah. I'm really not sure how to take it. I mean does the fact that he takes MG seriously mean that he's a raging loony? And does the fact that he may be a raging loony mean that he's making all of this up? How much of what he is reporting is real?

I suspect some of the 'car chase' scene may have been a result of his imagination, but what about the deal with the disappearing records?
Fantasy? A total fabrication? And actual occurrence?

Frustrating, to be sure.
Spork77
I'm just glad Mary and Ella were able to help out and shed some light on an obvious government coverup. new_whistle.gif
robo
heh. it is interesting that he managed to get in a mention of everyone's TWO favorite characters...

On further thought, i'm going to write this whole report off as fantasy. sleep.gif
jimf
I just think its sad that the poor MIBs have been reduced to driving Chevy Vegas..I know the economys not all that great but..come on now.
Sean V
Ah....... sure....... unsure.gif :rolleyes:
MountainLady
I still think she must be a writer for the National Enquirer. dry.gif
misfitguy
, then how much of a stretch would it be to think someone or some organization wanting to keep things “in check” could and would tamper with known Cryptozoologist’s e-mails in order to throw them off the track or at the very least cause havoc, hardship and / or distrust between colleague’s ?

Tampered with email? How they do that? unsure.gif
jimf
You didn't know Mick ? Its all part of the conspiracy/cover -up. laugh.gif
robo
QUOTE(misfitguy @ Nov 27 2003, 10:33 PM)
Tampered with email? How they do that? unsure.gif

The CIA captured a couple of shape shifting Bigfoot (named George and Pookie) in the mid 1970s from the Coy farm in Tennessee, and since then have painstakingly trained them to become computer hackers.

They send them out to mess up the Hotmail accounts of investigators who begin to sniff out their trail, and thereby confuse them into submission! They also sign them up to penis enlargement spam lists, and install worms on their computers!

If you don't believe me, you're all just a bunch of whining beggars who can't do your own research!



-robo wink.gif
RB
QUOTE(jimf @ Nov 26 2003, 09:41 PM)
I just think its sad that the poor MIBs have been reduced to driving Chevy Vegas..I know the economys not all that great but..come on now.

icon_really_happy_guy.gif at what Jimmy said there... oh yeah...

And I like the way you think there robo... and these trained apes drive the Chevy Vegas because maybe that's the only econony car they can fit into, plus they're really cheap to own, insure and operate... I mean, how much cash can a Skunk Ape come up with anyway? Peanuts, at best...

Thanks for bringing that here robo... cool.gif

I'm happy to see you using your superpowers for good, instead of evil... wink.gif biggrin.gif
bigfoot@gigantopithecus.org
Folks,

Please don't let your sentiments about Coleman / MG (with which I agree) deter you from considering the interesting nature of the reports in Campbell County. It takes a lot for TV/newspaper to cover such sightings, given how damaging it can be to a news organization's credibility, and the coverage by WATE and the News-Sentinel clearly indicates the sightings were the "talk of the town".

Has the BFRO or anyone else sent anyone to Campbell County? Does anyone have any other press clippings about Campbell County?

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=7159

http://www.wate.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?qu=skunk+ape

Personally, I think the eventual "discovery"/confirmation may well occur in the Eastern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area when some poor misguided fellow gets a little to aggressive with the wrong farm family.

-- James
Cincinnati

P.S. One interesting point. One might think WATE's coverage was intended to drive ratings. However, all their skunk ape coverage PRECEEDED the November sweeps, which is the #1 ratings book period of the year. In fact, their last of several stories was just a day or two before the beginning of the sweeps period. It makes me wonder whether WATE's news director may have deliberately chosen not to run skunk ape stories during sweeps for fear of perceived sensationalism.
Martin Grenfell
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P.S. One interesting point. One might think WATE's coverage was intended to drive ratings. However, all their skunk ape coverage PRECEEDED the November sweeps, which is the #1 ratings book period of the year. In fact, their last of several stories was just a day or two before the beginning of the sweeps period. It makes me wonder whether WATE's news director may have deliberately chosen not to run skunk ape stories during sweeps for fear of perceived sensationalism.


The WATE programming mainframe was most likely hacked by the suspicious owners of the white trucks with official looking stickers on the side while they sat at their computer terminals eating dead cat.

Martin

Or it could be b.s.
Spork77
stop....killing me...must go cry now....

I heard the real reason Mary closed her board is because Janice trained her BF to type and now they are posting there with "the real story".
robo
Just for the record, i posted in the Cryptozoology.com thread dealing with this report, and Jerry Coleman (Loren Coleman's brother, interestingly) said that he is not actually associated with Mary Green.

The MIB aspects of the report do raise some red flags, but i'll try to keep an open mind here. Of course, Ella showed up as soon as I had typed 'Mary Green' to tell me that i was a flamer and Mary Green was the best thing since tinned tomatoes, but i'll try to ignore her smelly presence as best i can. :rolleyes:

-robo
pegleg52
[Asking the Deputy what has been the average description of this thing they call a Skunk Ape, he said, “It’s said to be 2 to 3 feet tall, dark brown or black hair covering its entire body. One gentleman told me he believes the animal has been on his property and wants it taken care of because his grand children play there every weekend.” ]

I thought this critter was suppose to be 6' tall to start with.
Peg
Spork77
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Re: Mary Green is a brilliant, dedicated researcher. ip: 64.147.66.XXX 
From:  Ella,  View Profile  posted Nov 28, 5:33pm   
Whoever you are, "Robo", you are only making yourself appear to be in error. Mary is a close friend of mine--if you don't believe me, ask her. Go to her web site, www.tnbigfootlady.com and mail her. As for Jerry, there is a mutual respect between them, but they are not research partners in any sense. (Not yet anyway.) If they were, it would only be to both Jerry's and Mary's credit, since an association with either one of them could only reflect good on whoever they were researching with. What a formidible team that would be! smile.gif So please stop flaming, OK? Ya wanna flame, I can suggest a perfect board for you.


Wow, what hapened to that sweet, I'm just happy to be here, prevaricating, fence straddling nice lady? Makes me think she was playing everyone here all along.

Robo, I salute you!
Fletch28
I think we should contact agents Mulder and Scully to check the area out. cool.gif
RB
QUOTE(Spork77 @ Nov 28 2003, 05:51 PM)
Wow, what hapened to that sweet, I'm just happy to be here, prevaricating, fence straddling nice lady? Makes me think she was playing everyone here all along.

Robo, I salute you!

Good call, Sporky! smile.gif

You may be onto something there...

Ever see the old film, Arsenic and Old Lace? wink.gif biggrin.gif

Too true, Ella uses her "Woo is me" routine to her fullest benefit...

Seems you can find mental instability flocking together even as we speak...

Thanks again, robo. cool.gif
tugboatwa
QUOTE(Spork77 @ Nov 28 2003, 04:00 PM)
stop....killing me...must go cry now....

I heard the real reason Mary closed her board is because Janice trained her BF to type and now they are posting there with "the real story".

Is it possible...

that one hundred Bigfoots placed in front of one hundred keyboards...

would write as if they were Shakespeare? new_lmaosmiley.gif
JayleeD
QUOTE(robo @ Nov 28 2003, 06:24 PM)
Just for the record, i posted in the Cryptozoology.com thread dealing with this report, and Jerry Coleman (Loren Coleman's brother, interestingly) said that he is not actually associated with Mary Green.

The MIB aspects of the report do raise some red flags, but i'll try to keep an open mind here. Of course, Ella showed up as soon as I had typed 'Mary Green' to tell me that i was a flamer and Mary Green was the best thing since tinned tomatoes, but i'll try to ignore her smelly presence as best i can. :rolleyes:

I do know that before Mary took her forum to the underground :rolleyes: , she was giving Jerry Coleman hell and calling him some pretty choice names.

As far as Ella goes, I noticed that on the Crypto board she states that EB hangs out with the BFFoons and in doing that he is lowering himself. :rolleyes:

I really wish that Ella would rejoin us here. I've got some pretty choice words for the old bat myself. wink.gif

Oh, and HI RODNEY. I SEEEEEEEE YOOOOOOOOU! Just make sure you tell Ella for me that I called her an old bat. new_lmaosmiley.gif
chronic
QUOTE(tugboatwa @ Nov 29 2003, 02:29 PM)
Is it possible...

that one hundred Bigfoots placed in front of one hundred keyboards...

would write as if they were Shakespeare? new_lmaosmiley.gif

apparently not--

QUOTE
A bizarre experiment by a group of students has found monkeys cannot write Shakespeare.

Lecturers and students from the University of Plymouth wanted to test the claim that an infinite number of monkeys given typewriters would create the works of The Bard.

A single computer was placed in a monkey enclosure at Paignton Zoo to monitor the literary output of six primates.

But after a month, the Sulawesi crested macaques had only succeeded in partially destroying the machine, using it as a lavatory, and mostly typing the letter "s".
But towards the end of the experiment, their output slightly improved, with the letters A, J, L and M also appearing.

However, they failed to come up with anything that remotely resembled a word.

The work was interesting but had little scientific value, except to show that the "infinite monkey" theory is flawed.




That's some pretty significant research the U. of Plymouth has going on :rolleyes:
Howlingmad
Given enough time, monkeys randomly typing on typewriters could eventually type out the complete works of Shakespeare.

It's a loose quote from Julian Huxley (brother of Aldous Huxley,
and grandson of T.H. Huxley) and paraphrased from his grandfather
to explain how given enough time that many things are
possible, explaining evolution over the span of life on this planet.

As far as I know, mathematically, it's been discredited.

Thus endeth the lesson... wink.gif
jimf
QUOTE(Howlingmad @ Dec 1 2003, 04:38 PM)
As far as I know, mathematically, it's been discredited.

Well of course it has...otherwise there be a whole bunch of methusela monkeys siiting in a room. laugh.gif
Spork77
I don't know, that's always made sense to me, I mean, we are talking about infinity.
Infinite time plus random probability confined to the keys of a typewriter...it seems almost inevitable that at some time all the recorded literature of man would be reproduced.
Or am I just crazy...like a fox!(or Blackie)
robo
Just got the following via email from Jerry Coleman. He asked me to post this here, so here goes:

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From: Jerry D. Coleman
Date: December 16, 2003, 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: Skunk Ape U`DATE; Tennessee
Message:
Hello robo,
Please take this back to your board as well. Make no missake about it, I think a Skunk Ape and/or Bigfoot story can and does stand alone on it's own as enough of an unusal story, I have never and would never add anything to a story other than actual events. It is very, very easy to check out my story about the missing reports, instead of some who simply wish to dive into a pool of doubt from another, tell them to pick up the phone and call the Sheriff in Campbell County.
I do not work with any other investigator, nor do I bother to share my findings with them but professional I think its common courtesy to advice others with like interests.
It may do some well to read my book and note some of my research before assuming so very very much and infact so incorrectly.

Hope this helped clear some things up, but the lack of research done on me, with so many false assumptions would have me believe not, but I will think positive, anyway.
Jerry D. Coleman
Shorebreak
QUOTE(Howlingmad @ Dec 1 2003, 04:38 PM)
Given enough time, monkeys randomly typing on typewriters could eventually type out the complete works of Shakespeare.

It's a loose quote from Julian Huxley (brother of Aldous Huxley,
and grandson of T.H. Huxley) and paraphrased from his grandfather
to explain how given enough time that many things are
possible, explaining evolution over the span of life on this planet.

As far as I know, mathematically, it's been discredited.

Thus endeth the lesson... wink.gif

Howling,

You're absolutely correct. You're talking about "entropy" which falls into the 2nd principle of thermodynamics.

It basically says that everything in the universe changes from a state of order into a state of disorder. This is a widely accepted scientific principle upon which much theory and calculations are based.
Howlingmad
Actually SB, I'm not sure entropy was what Huxley the Elder
had in mind. huh.gif

Would evolution, a transition from a simple organism to a
more complex variety of organisms (usually), be considered
entropic? From single and orderly to varied and disorderly?
Or is it reverse entropy, from a simple beginning to an unbelievable
and harmonious complexity? Hmmm, shouldn't mix physics
with biology.

Damned if Schroedinger doesn't pop up again by the way
(damn him and his cat happy.gif ) in stating that a characteristic
feature of life is that "it feeds on negative entropy".
jimf
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It is very, very easy to check out my story about the missing reports, instead of some who simply wish to dive into a pool of doubt from another, tell them to pick up the phone and call the Sheriff in Campbell County.
I DID !!...geez and he want us to pay attention... :rolleyes:
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