Baby Porcupine, simple as that, no doubt about it. I see them all the time up in trees when I'm hunting.

I think if that was what he saw, he would have said it was a cat, not a baby bigfoot. lol

I think if that's what he saw he would have said he saw a baby bear. lol Look at that cute teddy bear face! No way he'd mistake that for a primate!



I'm sure he would have said it was a baby dinosaur, then.

Carolina Dog - Nice one! Yes, I too am pretty darn sure we can rule out the tree octopus!

The ever present No. Cal boneless brown trout
I see them everywhere, on trees, next to dumpsters, all over my lawn.......but never in a lake

Ah yes, the ellusive tree octopus. I haven't seen one of those since their population was decimated by the fashion industry.

Don't get too close to one. You saw Alien didn't you?

You know Rock, that species has always been a nominally fringe one as well, indeed, one could even call it crypto....
Could it be due to the fact that Hollywood "insiders" are well entrenched in the fashion industry and thus, capable of hiding evidence of both the mere existence of the creature, as well as proof of it's decimated population? After all if a creature such as this were determined to be real, and thus, trade in it's "pelt" regulated...think of the hit the fashion industry would take! On top of that, think of the devastation to the logging industry if it were shown to inhabit the very forests that so recently were home to the spotted owl...
I tell you, I smell a conspiracy here. I suspect a cabal of the government, the fashion industry, Hollywood celebrities, and the logging industry.
I've even heard of a handful of good hearten folks who are in mental communication with the "tree folk", having been rudely attacked by other so called "researchers" and even, having had their homes and tree houses broken into and critical evidence of the tree folk stolen(a rare second generation copy of the "McPherson film" even, if you can believe that!!)..
It's a horrible situation all the way around, I tell you, and unless we all decide as community to put aside our differences and just accept that we don't know everything, and that science is bad...it will just get worse.

You are soooo right Nightwing!!!

Please be careful...now that "they" know that you know...those in the know will... you know...

My first impression was that the body shape reminded me of a Porcupine ... but I can see no evidence of quills ...

The videographer claims when it jumped to the next tree ... that it had a long dark tail ... that would be consistant with a Pine Marten ...

I think you are probably correct ... it most likely is a Pine Marten ...

O.K. That's it. I'm ready to make this interesting. And if anyone out there is into it, I'm willing to make it real interesting. It's a porcupine. If anyone's convinced it's not, PM me, we'll agree on terms and then let the chips fall where they may . Consider this "Norcals' Personal Economic Stimulus Package". Anyone else interested in a piece of the action is welcome to join in.

Note: Just reread the guidelines and rules and wagering does not appear to be outside said guidelines and rules so I'm serious.

Have fun, (I know I will) Norcal

Well, it's been a day and a half and not one taker so I guess we all agree that it's a porupine?

Door's still open. I've got pie and coffee. Anyone?

Can porkies jump from tree to tree?

Nope, but as someone posted earlier, that was only hearsay. The video doesn't show it so if anyone wants to make a wager one of my terms would be that only what is seen in the vid is what constitutes the parameters of the bet.

Have fun, Norcal

Orange color variation of RACCOON

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note the same fur length and texture

OK FOLKS its a chimp raccoon porkepine creature a mutation ROFL.... updates as it continues

...um...

...maybe it's a Porcupine Martin...?

Coffee = black
Pie = Pecan

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Norcal...??? are you there???

You betcha! PM me if you'd like to wager against me.

Nah, I don't think so. Not the same.

Color, ears, nose don't match. No face mask. I think the hair length on the baby bigfoot porcupine is longer than what is shown on the raccoon, it's just that a lot of it is blurred out. The posture and behavior displayed in the video are perfectly consistent with a porcupine explanation.

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You know what's interesting is that on average they have 3,000 (or maybe it was 30,000) quills each. It's pretty impressive how well all those quills can lay down to the point that you can't even see them.

porcupine.

The one I nearly mowed down with my Outback moved pretty fast....for a porcupine.

Hey, guess what! There is no "orange color variation" of a raccoon. The one in that picture is either leucistic or an albino. The animal shown in the video is, without a doubt, a PORCUPINE. No offense, but it's kind of embarrassing that people think otherwise.

You said it not me. (And thanks!)

Like many here, I'm constantly debating whether BF exists. Does it? Doesn't it? Over and over.
Seeing photos and videos of porcupines and meerkats being mistaken for a bigfoot is not making it easy to stick around. Are all, most, some reports like this? It might be time to bail.

Don't leave. Have you ever watched Tiger Woods make one of his incredible tournament winning Putts? It's almost as though he has the ability to just will the ball into the cup. I think there's a lot of that willing going on here in regards to Bigfoot. The big difference is that one cannot will a porcupine into a Bigfoot.

You have to take the wheat with the chaff and there's a lot of both here.

Have fun, Norcal

Based on the eyes, it doesn't seem to be albino (in the pic)

from various websites:

From TheBigZoo.com:
Univ of Michigan:

Wis. DNR: u]

orange - buff - red , whatever

as far as not seeing the mask, I think its looking the other way.

Porcupine? where are the quills?

Unless the little guys are threatened, the quills "lay down". The majority of the ones that I've seen didn't show any quills at all. I just looked it up and the average porkie has 30,000 quills. The only time I've seen the quills "up" was when they are on the ground. I've seen them "come up" on a couple of occasions, it kind of reminds me of a tom turkey. It's almost as though they can transform their appearance.

Have fun, Norcal

OK, OK you win.

come on by the Waffle House and I'll get the pie and coffee.

In my opinion, the guy who took this video has questionable intelligence/sanity, Haha. There's also the possibility that he's trying to stir up some debates with people who couldn't tell "a hawk from a handsaw" as they say. And hey, it seems to be working!

True. When I first saw the porcupine in my headlights I thought for a moment it was a fat raccoon. After it moved across the road it raised the quills. Kind of cool looking when they do that, I didn't think about the Turkey analogy, but that is about right. I debated about telling my neighbor (it came across the road in front of their property) because he is a tree grower and both of our properties connect to BLM land. He would certainly tell them. I have already seen the traps around for beavers and gosh darn it, I like both of these critters despite their damage potential. Our kids told his kids in the end. So hopefully Porky will get out dodge before they do him in.

Heck, I didn't win, we all did. How's anybody gonna find BF if the folks that know something don't share it with those that don't. If it weren't for this dang staph infection I'd be out in the woods right now working but also observing and learning about the natural processes that hopefully has some value here for all of us.

By the way, which Waffle House? There's one real near the airport in Atlanta. I can fly in tomorrow. ...Nothing like free pie and coffee...

Wow, I really miss the Waffle House!
They're EVERYWHERE in the South, but nowhere out West.

Or up north. I love me a pecan waffle!

*sniff*

Words you will never hear spoken in a Waffle House:

"Nice job cleaning up!"

That is just hilarious! I've only been to the South 3 or 4 times and was instructed by a friend to visit a Waffle House while there. I remember him saying, "There not the cleanest place in the world but the foods good and there's lots of it."

You crack me up Robert. Have fun, Norcal

Just remembered this. Have you ever noticed that there always seems to be a guy or two sitting at the counter drinking coffee with the facial expression and body language of someone carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders? Must be a franchisee requirement.

Now this thread has some importance....

Apeman's Waffle House take:
One my favorite guilty pleasures is a big, greasy, post-'night-out' breakfast at the Awffle House when I'm in NC...grits, fake butter, American cheese omelet, smothered and covered hashbrowns, cups and cups of scalding hot but always too weak coffee, local newspaper- what could be better for a fuzzy head (besides better coffee and fried, salty meat for those of you who eat it). I'm always pleasantly surprised (after initially being downright shocked) that the non-smoking section actually functions properly, I guess that's the benefit a huge grill fan and lots of air exchange. Last time I was there I sensed something out of the ordinary that I couldn't quite figure out... as I sat sweating at the counter. Finally I realized there was woman 'manning' the grill and two young guys running the counter and tables- something that you don't see everyday at the House- or in the south- but that put a big smile on my face to go with full belly.

-Apeman... the occasional breakfast grease monkey

PS- Three other things you won't overhear at the House:

"Can you please turn the heat up?" or
"Do you have the nutrition information for the All-Star special?" or
"Where can I find an ashtray?"

Yes, helps establish part of the mood of the place. Unfortunately, my wife now boycotts the chain, she's kind of picky about cleanliness and such, but still, a unique eating experience.

Now this illustrates a problem I have with a lot of bigfoot enthusiasts - they don't know diddly about so many wonderful animals we already know exist. The result is that some odd noise or fleeting look can lead people down a path to explain their experience as "bigfoot" when there can still be far more likely explanations that should first be ruled out.

The only way a rational person could observe this video and conclude that the subject is anything other than a porcupine would be if said person had no friggin' clue what a porcupine looked like!

If you intend to pursue the bigfoot phenomenon - and especially if you intend to conduct your own field research - then at a minimum you need to get yourself a field guide to North American mammals to engage in some serious study of anatomy, life history, habitat, distribution, etc. You can even restrict your study to creatures > 10 lbs or something to make it a bit easier.

with saskeptic. This is good long look (minutes) at a porcupine in broad daylight and he thinks it might be a bigfoot? Just makes me wonder about ALL (yes I said all) reports when people have seen the animal for nanosecond at night behind bushes and what their imagination has morfed that shape into. Very discouraging. I never had a sighting and only have reports to fuel my pursuit.

Oh man. Greater than ten pounds? I was about to argue that it might be an arboreal muskrat!

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Waffle House compare to Denny's? Last time I was at Denny's was years ago. Never been to a Waffle house, although they sound very similiar.

peregrine - how did you find another picture of a baby bigfoot so quickly?

Arboreal muskrats? I hear those are delicious!

Saskeptic and Furious George, BRAVO! This is exactly why I got so "into" this thread. The guy that shot this video, BillyBob or Junior Samples or whatever his name was, ranks right up there with the likes of Whitten and Dyer. It's one thing to take a really cool wildlife vid but to show it to the whole world and say, "Oo, oo, it's a baby Bigfoot." is throwing gas on the fire in regards to establishing any credibility towards the idea that there really is something out there and intelligent people are actually researching it.

One good thing though, like "The Girls Nextdoor", BillyBob makes me feel awfully dang smart.

Have fun, Norcal

I ate a muskrat once. It was not good. Of course, we didn't exactly have a gourmet cook ...

ONE??? When I lived in Atlanta the closest exit on I-85 had 4 ( 1 on each side). I'll be in the Atlanta airport next Thursday a.m. Does that work?

CoGriz: Not really like a Denny's - actually its like nothing else on earth. ( I think aliens left the plans for Waffle House along with the pyramids)

FUN FACTS ABOUT WH:

FUN FACTS
Since 1955, the WAFFLE HOUSE System has served:

495,264,367 Waffles
957,041,599 Cups of Coffee
1,173,838,328 Hashbrown Orders
370,545,935 Sausage Patties
786,449,152 Bacon Strips
14,899,594 Slices of Ham
1,527,602,959.24 Eggs
22,217,455 Slices of Pie
123,587,123 T-bone Steaks
115,220,427 Hamburger Quarters
479,312,699 Glasses of Coke®
1,108,574,633 Order of Grits
72,567,509 Cheese n' Eggs
204,164,660 Omelets




Did you Know?

If you lay all of the Bryan bacon end-to-end that Waffle House serves in a year, it will stretch from Atlanta to Los Angeles seven times! (That's more than 21,000 miles of bacon)
If you could stack all of the sausage patties we serve in one day, it would reach the TOP of the Empire State Building! (Did you want grits with that?)
Waffle House serves more than 3.2 million pounds of grits each year. That is enough to fill 86 semi-trucks!
Each year Waffle House customers eat more than 334,000 pounds of pecans in their waffles. That is more than 21 million pecans.
Waffle House customers consume two percent of the total eggs produced in the United States for foodservice use. That is more than 185,000,000 eggs every year, 500,000 eggs everyday, 20,833 eggs every hour, 347 eggs every minute and five eggs every second.
If you used all of the eggs Waffle House serves in a year to make a cheese omelet, it would weigh 28 tons and would need 185 million slices of cheese. (Do you want hashbrowns with that?)
If you lined up all the bowls of Bert's Chili® Waffle House serves in a year, it would stretch the length of Florida's coastline on both the Atlantic and the Gulf coasts!
Waffle House serves more than 10,000 T-bone steaks every day.
If you stack all of the USDA Choice hamburger patties Waffle House serves in a year, it would equal the height of 18 Mount Everests!
Waffle House serves more than 381 tons of country ham every year. That translates to more weight than a fully-loaded Boeing 747 at takeoff.
- The first Waffle House® restaurant opened on Labor Day in 1955 in Avondale Estates, GA.

- The Waffle House System operates more than 1,500 restaurants in 25 states.

- Waffle House® restaurants are open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (including Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's Day).


MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK FOR BF out behind Waffle Houses!!!

Now when I watch that show it makes me feel dumber: First, for watching the show, and then for not being as smart as Hef!

I don't know if that's a fair comparison. Certainly there are some folks who let their imaginations get the better of them along the lines you describe, but the deal with this videographer, IMO, is that he was blatantly lying. He claims that it "had a primate face" and "jumped from tree to tree like a primate." And we shouldn't overstate the significance of the video. As of today, after something like six days, the video has only been viewed about 1800 times.

agreed, 100%.

How about an arboreal beaver?