Spinlok
Apr 10 2009, 06:03 PM
This is a very interesting find. Bigfoot hunter thefirstbillyjack on youtube has found somthing that resebles a small monkey, or could it be a baby bigfoot? Either way, it doesn't really belong in Minnesota. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKcN3nA3woThoughts?
billgreen2005bigfoot
Apr 10 2009, 06:30 PM
very interesting possible filmfootage of a baby sasquatch sleeping in a tree. but more needs to done the filmfootage & the people who took this filmfootage realy need to contacted to ask them questions indeedy. thanks bill

updates as it continues.
Robert
Apr 10 2009, 06:48 PM
It looks like some kind of a primate, but I can't make out any 'hands' or a 'face' as the fur is very thick, and it doesn't move at all in the video.
WildWomanOfTheWoods
Apr 10 2009, 06:54 PM
Weird.... It's shape and head area remind me a lot of a porcupine, but ut doesn't have porcupine type quills. Is there a kind of animal that closely resembles a procupine but has fur rather than quills?
RedRatSnake
Apr 10 2009, 06:57 PM
Hi
I wish the guy tried to stir it up a bit but i guess if ya come across something like that the focus is on just getting some footage, Of course i don't rule out a well placed prop since the thing ain't moving in the vid
Peace
Tim
Robert
Apr 10 2009, 06:57 PM
If the the witness is telling the truth this creature jumped from tree to tree right after he quit filming. Porcupines don't do that. Also it has no quills, only thick fur. I'm going to go out on a limb (ha ha ha) and say it's an escaped lemur living in the wild Midwestern woods.
Actually Tim, watch it again, it moves its head slightly when the witness moves around at one point. Also, you can see it breathing if you look closely.
masterbarber
Apr 10 2009, 07:02 PM
QUOTE(Spinlok @ Apr 10 2009, 08:03 PM)

This is a very interesting find. Bigfoot hunter thefirstbillyjack on youtube has found somthing that resebles a small monkey, or could it be a baby bigfoot? Either way, it doesn't really belong in Minnesota. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKcN3nA3woThoughts?
It's some type of monkey.
At 0.20 I can distinctly hear a monkey in the background. This video is BS and was probably taken at a zoo or wildlife sanctuary.
Robert
Apr 10 2009, 07:07 PM
I think that was a bird.
Sounded like a woodpecker to me.
WildWomanOfTheWoods
Apr 10 2009, 07:08 PM
OK, after looking at it closer, I agree, it is some kind of monkey. And the way it is all huddled up like it is, and being that this is taken in Minnesota, I'm guessing it is an escapee from somewhere, and he's very cold, and not used to being out like he his. And, the only sounds in the background that I hear are birds.
masterbarber
Apr 10 2009, 07:15 PM
QUOTE(Robert @ Apr 10 2009, 09:07 PM)

I think that was a bird.
Sounded like a woodpecker to me.
Hahahahaha, my good old cheap laptop speakers.
It might be a
"little lion"
Spazmo
Apr 10 2009, 07:24 PM
It doesn't look like a monkey to me, mainly because at the one point where it moves it's head, it seems to have a small snout.
I think it's the elusive afro-squirrel.
Furious_George
Apr 10 2009, 07:34 PM
I'm going to go with birch. Oh wait, are we suppose to comment on the subject that was not in focus?
WildWomanOfTheWoods
Apr 10 2009, 07:34 PM
Maybe it's one of these. -- a Japanese macaque. If I saw one of these tooling around the woods in Minnesota, I would think baby bigfoot!
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RedRatSnake
Apr 10 2009, 07:39 PM
QUOTE(Robert @ Apr 10 2009, 08:57 PM)

Actually Tim, watch it again, it moves its head slightly when the witness moves around at one point. Also, you can see it breathing if you look closely.
Hi

I missed the quick move there, I seen breathing but wrote it off as wind the first time cause i didn't see any other movement,
Peace
Tim
Squatchaholic
Apr 10 2009, 07:46 PM
This could be a pine marten. This is their natural habitat(Banning State Park in Northern Minnesota)
and they can jump from tree to tree stronger and faster than squirrels.
MooseMan
Apr 10 2009, 07:48 PM
QUOTE(WildWomanOfTheWoods @ Apr 10 2009, 04:54 PM)

Weird.... It's shape and head area remind me a lot of a porcupine, but ut doesn't have porcupine type quills. Is there a kind of animal that closely resembles a procupine but has fur rather than quills?
My first impression was porcupine as well.
peregrine
Apr 10 2009, 07:54 PM
I think it's a porcupine.
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RedRatSnake
Apr 10 2009, 08:02 PM
Hi
One thing that gets me is it don't look around , There is no curiosity at all, Seems to me that if it was a primate it would be watching and somewhat interested, This thing seems to be taking the you can't see me Approach.
Peace
Tim
Spazmo
Apr 10 2009, 08:09 PM
Maybe it's sick?
norcal logger
Apr 10 2009, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(peregrine @ Apr 10 2009, 08:54 PM)

I think it's a porcupine.
Click to view attachmentThat's certainly what it looks like but I've never seen one "jump" or do anything that involves speed and acceleration. They move more like slugs.
COGrizzly
Apr 10 2009, 08:24 PM
Porcupine is my vote.
One of the last things I would guess is a baby bigfoot
peregrine
Apr 10 2009, 08:33 PM
QUOTE(norcal logger @ Apr 10 2009, 09:10 PM)

That's certainly what it looks like but I've never seen one "jump" or do anything that involves speed and acceleration. They move more like slugs.
Well, we don't have any evidence to support the claim that the critter displayed any agility.
As you say, their
movements are very deliberate.
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uffda320
Apr 10 2009, 09:11 PM
I want to know how he can focus in on the trees in the background, yet the subject in the foreground is fuzzy.
I agree with Pine Marten.
peregrine
Apr 10 2009, 09:12 PM
While perusing YouTube's porcupine clips I found one of a guy hugging a porcupine. I once saw a zoo employee carrying a large porcupine, which quite surprised me, but
this guy takes the cake.
Click to view attachmentI should note that the first montage I posted included a screen cap from the YouTube video obtained during the bigfoot expedition, as shown below. Does anyone know if this was a BFRO expedition?
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peregrine
Apr 10 2009, 09:48 PM
QUOTE(COGrizzly @ Apr 10 2009, 09:24 PM)

One of the last things I would guess is a baby bigfoot
Yes, as for this animal being a baby bigfoot, the photographer himself stated that it had a long tail, so it can't be an ape. To me it clearly looks like a porcupine, but things have been slow since the
Jacobs pictures, so I suppose folks will latch on to just about anything to talk about.
[Edit to add that I think the bird heard in the video is an American Robin.]
RayG
Apr 10 2009, 10:27 PM
QUOTE(WildWomanOfTheWoods @ Apr 10 2009, 08:54 PM)

Weird.... It's shape and head area remind me a lot of a porcupine, but ut doesn't have porcupine type quills. Is there a kind of animal that closely resembles a procupine but has fur rather than quills?
I thought it looked a lot like a porky too. The video is out of focus so we can't tell if it's covered in fur or quills. Reminded me of this...
Click to view attachmentBut that was before I found this pic online of an obvious fur-covered primate that's disguised as a porcupine.
Click to view attachmentRayG
peregrine
Apr 10 2009, 10:42 PM
It might be worth clarifying that porcupines are covered with fur. Only a very small percentage of their hair is comprised of quills of various lengths.
billgreen2005bigfoot
Apr 10 2009, 10:52 PM
maybe the young possible sasquatch was afraid to come out the tree becouse it wasnt sure which sasquatch research groups were looking at thats why is lying looking like was sleeping in tree. updates as this continues

thanks bill
vilnoori
Apr 10 2009, 10:52 PM
Porcupine. The "leaping from tree to tree" is only hearsay.
nightwing
Apr 11 2009, 12:16 AM
If this is a baby bigfoot, then Jim is gonna be p.o.d that he let this one go...
billgreen2005bigfoot
Apr 11 2009, 01:23 AM
hey nightwing WOW... i agree that does look like a possible baby primate ie sasquatch in that above photo but more questions & answers need to be seriously asked this jim person. thanks bill
StacyInMI
Apr 11 2009, 07:17 AM
Bill, it's a PORCUPINE, just like the one in the video.
Bitter Monk
Apr 11 2009, 07:19 AM
You're absolutely right Bill. This Jim person has a lot of explaining to do... about a lot of things.
bipedalist
Apr 11 2009, 07:36 AM
QUOTE(peregrine @ Apr 11 2009, 12:42 AM)

It might be worth clarifying that porcupines are covered with fur. Only a very small percentage of their hair is comprised of quills of various lengths.
And, therein lies the rub, oh lets go pet the lovely furry baby Bigfoot, .............. Man, I hope those things never make it to the mountains of NC.
Bill, it's just a porcupine, or a mangy bear with hirsutism that got a hold of this:
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wolftrax
Apr 11 2009, 10:31 AM
QUOTE(billgreen2005bigfoot @ Apr 11 2009, 02:23 AM)

hey nightwing WOW... i agree that does look like a possible baby primate ie sasquatch in that above photo but more questions & answers need to be seriously asked this jim person. thanks bill

Yeah, check out those arm lengths compared to the length of the legs! Let's get this jim person in here now!
bipedalist
Apr 11 2009, 10:42 AM
Well apparently its sending some kind of message to the first Billy Jack causing him not to be able to control the focus or tripod of his camera:......
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...sa%3DN%26um%3D1..... so I might have to reconsider my analysis of the culprit...
hopeful
Apr 11 2009, 10:54 AM
Here is a video of a Pine Marten:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8COifd5_G8Porcupine sounds very reasonable, but if it did move around the way he said, then I vote Pine Marten.
I wonder if any of our photo gurus would be inclined to try and lighten up a still enough for us to see its face?
The little guy actually is in focus once in a while, not very often, but occasionally. Some cameras just don't focus well when you zoom in so I don't really think he was intentionally focusing on the trees rather than the animal.
norcal logger
Apr 11 2009, 11:26 AM
Well since this is a BF forum I did want to talk BF. However, that critter is a porcupine. They eat the cambium layer of trees usually near the tree top where the bark is thinner and the cambium is sweeter. They move real slow. Their quills "lay down" unless they are threatened which I've only seen happen when they are on the ground. They do not "shoot" their quills but rather if a predator makes a move on them, the quills release from their flesh with seemingly no resistance. The ends of the quills are barbed in such a way that whatever animal is unfortunate (or stupid) enough to attack one and get stuck with the quills, will find that they work their way deeper into the victims flesh as he continues to move in his regular daily routines. The only way to remove them is to pull them out with pliers. This hurts a lot. My dog told me so.
Pine Martens don't look very much like a porcupine. They move quickly and nervously. Much shorter fur and very alert and attentive eyes. I've never seen one sit still but for a moment.
I didn't watch the "hugging" video but my guess is that that porcupine is a pet and did not feel threatened by his handler thus leaving his quills down and anchored in his own flesh.
It's an unpleasant part of my career but if I see a porcupine in a plantation, I'm supposed to kill it because they do a lot of damage to the young trees.
Just some thoughts, Norcal
billgreen2005bigfoot
Apr 11 2009, 11:34 AM
QUOTE(wolftrax @ Apr 11 2009, 04:31 PM)

Yeah, check out those arm lengths compared to the length of the legs! Let's get this jim person in here now!
hey wolftrax yes totaly agree with your above reply indeed that jim fellow needs to come this wonderful forum to explain some stuff to us in nuteral way. thanks bill. updates as it continues.
Robert
Apr 11 2009, 12:14 PM
Norcal, I have to agree with Hopeful on this one. It has to be a pine martin. In this video is was all bunched up and trying to be 'invisible' by not moving, which made its fur look longer. Heck, chances are it just has longer fur than most you have seen as it still has its winter coat, or it may just be a longer-haired variety.
Porcupines just don't jump from tree to tree. They don't have the ability to do that.
Robert
Apr 11 2009, 12:59 PM
OK - I did some more research. I now think this is a FISHER also known as a FISHER CAT. It's the right size, color, with long hair, behavior, range of habitat, everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal)
thickfoot
Apr 11 2009, 01:12 PM
I too think porcupine. I have seen them several times in the wild and when they have been in trees that is exactly what they do-sit pretty much motionless for long periods of time. I thought Fishers were primarily ground dwellers that are good tree climbers...the body does not seem to fit for a Fisher.
my 2c.
rockinkt
Apr 11 2009, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(norcal logger @ Apr 11 2009, 10:26 AM)

It's an unpleasant part of my career but if I see a porcupine in a plantation, I'm supposed to kill it because they do a lot of damage to the young trees.
Yep. I have also had them chew up my axe handles and boots!
QUOTE(wolftrax @ Apr 11 2009, 12:31 PM)

Yeah, check out those arm lengths compared to the length of the legs! Let's get this jim person in here now!
I agree Wolfie ! Someone should also contact Dr. Meldrum, it could be the same baby bigfoot he sees peering over the head of the Memorial Day teenaged baby sitting bigfoot!
It's fun being a woo.
norcal logger
Apr 11 2009, 02:43 PM
QUOTE(rockinkt @ Apr 11 2009, 02:51 PM)

Yep. I have also had them chew up my axe handles and boots!
So true, they love anything with salt on it. Check out NorthernWildlife.com- they have lots of pictures of "baby BFs", "Pine Martens", "Fishers" and the always elusive "Prairie Home Fuzzy Tree Critter" (Garrisonii Keilloricus). Also some good porcupine shots.
Have fun, Norcal
RedRatSnake
Apr 11 2009, 05:03 PM
Hi
Well i am some what sure it's not an Ocean animal of any kind so i am out of the game, I have to go by what you guys think it is, So before we get anymore animals involved let's rule out what we got already
1. Porcupine
2. Fisher cat
3. Pine Martin
4. Baby Bigfoot
5. Lion Fish
Peace
Tim
rockinkt
Apr 11 2009, 05:11 PM
Have we ruled out one of these...?
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norcal logger
Apr 11 2009, 05:21 PM
Oops, that website is northernwilds.com
Carolina_Dog
Apr 11 2009, 07:29 PM
I guess we can go ahead and rule out the tree octopus since they are found only in the PNW.
http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/
norcal logger
Apr 11 2009, 07:44 PM
Where's my sign? I can't find it! Where is that confounded sign?!!!
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