I just re-read Thom Powell’s 2003 book, ‘The Locals’ and something caught my attention.

Thom spends over two in contact with the Hoyts of LeFlore County, Oklahoma, who claimed to have been subject to virtually continuous visits from Bigfoot, who stole food from their outdoor freezer, pounded the side of their home, tore up the odd dog or two and generally made a nuisance of themselves.

However, and this is what caught my eye, towards the end of the project,

“Allen and April Hoyt discovered that their house had been entered, that the computers were accessed and that video and audio tapes obtained in the project were stolen.
“I [Powell] discovered that my own house had been surreptitiously entered and that some items related to our monitoring project were gone. Only Bigfoot stuff was missing… nothing else.”

Thom also reports that the Hoyts experienced frequent “clicks and strange noises on their telephone line” which led to a repairman being shaken by “incontrovertible evidence that the phone line had been tapped in two places”.

The Locals paperback p97.

Before leaping to a rather uncharitable conclusion regarding missing evidence, it struck me that perhaps we should ask the following question:

Has anyone reading this ever been subject to such activity? Or do you know someone in the BF world who has?

Ludo

I've never heard that sort of thing before. Frankly, I could put on my cynic hat and dismiss it as yet another ploy to grab attention (as well as excuse the absence of promising evidence). Another gov't conspiracy.

On the other hand, if BF is actually real, it wouldn't surprise me that BF watchers were being watched. However, I don't think this is the case.

I would not tend to give this much credibility, as with today's open market in counter-surveillance equipment, taps can be easily detected (other than the supreme stuff that I would not think would be employed to watch goobers like us). Additionally, break-ins come at a big risk. If so much as one gov't agent or contractor is apprehended spying on a BF-er, that would explode on the news--or at least the web--and the can of worms it would open would be spectacular. My best guess.

Bottom line: More tantalizing fiction, or at the very least someone got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

Still, it's a fun prospect and I'm glad you livened up this place with the thread!

NB: I have not read Powell's book, but I did glance through a copy. He seems to think BF is conscious of trail cams and is expert in avoiding them. I don't buy that. I think the spy stuff is just fiction for book sales.

More true than you think.

Santa didn't deliver 'Locals' this year. Got Thoreau's travels in Maine instead.

I'd bet bigfoot himself went into the house and took the stuff on him. They say he's pretty smart, ya know.

I dont buy that personally but its one reason to keep it to yourself (AND OFF OF FREAKING YOUTUBE)

That's what I was thinking!!!


IF true, and I don't know if it is or isn't, could be other researchers or such. I have not read the book and all I know of it is the part printed above. Could be the Hoyt's were doing some other stuff on the side (i.e. illegal) and the wiretaps were a part of that. Not saying they were, but there might be other reasons besides BF.

I would only believe this if it were someone in the private sector trying to steal info for cash or fame.
I can't really get onboard with any government conspiracy coverup. I never understood the logic. Can somebody explain it to me? How did it begin? There have been many threads on it and it doesn't make any sense at all and it really bugs me. I can understand covering up information on something like UFO's (if there is anything to cover up) to avoid mass panic..... but Bigfoot? What would be the reason? Bigfoot world domination?

He's catching up on the latest here at the BFF!

It wouldn't surprise me if there are powers that be keeping tabs on some researchers. There is a whole boatload of problems that will instantly materialize when BF is finally confirmed.
What do you think is gonna happen when someone finally grabs that brass ring and the mystery is solved?
Animal rights groups will be pushing everything that moves in D.C. to have massive plots of land tagged as off-limits to all industry, citing habitat destruction of the newly discovered, rarest of all animals.
Logging, big oil and mining concerns would likely not be very happy about this, to name just a few.

A whole lotta big money would rather BF remain a mystery, I imagine. At least in my tinfoil hat world.

Hi
And thats why i have always felt this site is the genuine thing, Sasquatch is in the know

http://zapatopi.net/bsa/

Peace
Tim

JOKE?

Just a quickie & i'm not refering to the Book here as it's at Home & i'm at work but i thought the Residence in question was in the NW, either WA or OR & the the stuff in Leflore Co, OK was the Guys shooting at them from off their Porch ??

The Family in question, i'm 99% sure, were in the PNW..

If the Feds would have gone to that Residence in OK that he worte about, i'd imagine there would have been even more shots fired than there was at the BF's & Deer..

QUOTE(Mike U. @ Mar 17 2009, 08:59 PM)

I agree Mike..

Your boss must be pretty cool to let you talk about BF at work! How do I get a job like that?

Ha, I totally buy that. Oil/logging companies are not looking to lose their lands. For all we know those companies kill off sasquatches and keep it under wraps.

We do?

I am the Boss...

I would hit you up for a job, but California to U.K. is a pretty long commute!

Thailand is even further, i think..

Bobby - you're right (and you have an almost photographic memory, it seems). The Hoyts were in Western Washington. Apologies to the entire state of Oklahoma.


The replies so far are great. I personally think that if sasquatches are really out there, taking away people's research is like trying to hold back the tide - you can't prevent the discovery of an animal by listening in to conversations and stealing files from individuals.

Also, I'm no expert in telecoms, but as the events happened in 2000, wouldn't 'wiretapping' be far more sophisticated and undetectable? Tampering with phone lines, leading to pauses and clicks, seems a little 1960s to me - unless the people doing this wanted the Hoyts to KNOW they were under surveillance. The only reason to do that is to scare them from continuing to monitoring their bigfoots, which is precisely what happened.

So on balance I have to say that telling everyone the spooks have been around is the perfect excuse for missing evidence. They'd only take the best stuff, so that's why your crystal clear video of two juvenile bigfoots performing 'Who's On First' will never see the light of day. And it's also the perfect reason to walk away from the situation with a clean break - 'after the burglaries I won't go back, I won't talk about it, I won't see those people again'.

C'mon.
Really?

Try this;

Ask a person that you know if they believe in Bigfoot.

Now ask them if they think Bigfoot is a reason why the FBI would tap phone lines in order to protect the oil companies and logging industries against PETA, who would shut down 75% of North America land including 100% of Canada.

You don't have the guts to ask a person that you know the second question. It just sounds too silly.
Do you think Bigfoot could stop the oil companies? The oil companies would drill through a sleeping Bigfoot's belly if they had to. It's also not like we are dealing with a large spread out bed of ocean life to kill. They would seize and transplant if anyone dared challenged. Wouldn't even be a thought to them.

Hi

Yes And a plug for what i think is a pretty well done site, Well worth posting for the folks that have never visited it.

Peace
Tim

First let me point out two things. I've never read this book, and I'm not disagreeing with you. However, being a victim of 'bugging' I know a little about the subject, and have to offer my opinion on your statement "I would not tend to give this much credibility, as with today's open market in counter-surveillance equipment, taps can be easily detected ". Even if you know you are bugged, and buy bug detecting equipment, it's extremely difficult to find them due to the micro size of today's bugs (including the cheaper ones), and the fact that it's an art in finding them even with an RF detector. I would NEVER have found the bugs that were placed in my house without a Private Detective (and thank God for them) doing it for me. . .And one other point I would like to make on the subject of finding them, peoples attitude. Yes, their attitude. It's very difficult to convince anyone (other than a P.I.) that you believe you have been bugged. When I told my parents I thought our house was bugged, they scoffed at first, told me I was probably imagining it, which then turned into you must be on drugs, to you've gone crazy. And I found most people's attitude was similar to my parents. . .So, I'm not saying it's likely or unlikely in this story, just that it's VERY, VERY, POSSIBLE and easily done.

Thanks Tim, never saw that site. Glad to hear that Sasquatch and Yeti patched things up 799 years ago. I had always wondered about that.

Our govt (USA) is known for being honest and open with the people, thats the only reason I wouldnt believe the story.

Sammy

I was just lurking in this thread for a bit but I can't any longer. I have a hard time with someone breaking into another persons house to steal BF related information. For what..to conceal the truth? Last time I checked not too many believe BF exists anyway. It's not too hard to conceal something the masses don't believe anyway. Maybe I'm speaking too early, I haven't even read the book. It just seems really odd to me this would happen. I guess somewhere between vain and certifiably insane. Maybe these people have other "things" or "problems" that the men in black flying in black helicopters are interested in.

How can you say this about our Gov when i have been living with a lie for the past twenty years about how they have not screw me over with shots they say they never gave me.There is alot of things about our gov we have no idea on what they do that people are naive until it is to late.But i am not going to get into it because it is just way to political and thats just not what this Forum is about.So you keep believing what you want and i will let my health slowly go to h*ll because as it stands now they can do as they please and when the time is right there will not be a D*mn thing that we can do about it and who will we blame ourselves that who .All this crap about who is watching who is just that crap They do not need the proof because they already have it and they just do not care .with all the technology that we are sporting and all the man hunts that have been done are we that naive to not believe that they (the gov ) do not have this sbject on the scope and in the lab by now.Like i have said they make a perfect weapon system and if they could be trained they would be the perfect spy.

I took SSLeithead's comments as a joke. I don't want to speak for him, but I think he was joking around.

I would hate for this thread to get closed...seems to be happening a lot!

Yes I was just being facetious.
I dont know the book or if anybody would try and steel bf evidence, but I do know our govt likes to hide things and who knows why?

Sammy

IF, bigfoot is real and the native american legends are true which i believe them to be like breeding with us, then that is the perfect reason for government to bug and steal, nothing to do with oil or logging, they become human and that my friends is one big headache plus the governments like to keep us in the realm of the five senses, also remember stalin wanted to make an army with the almas.

Can I reiterate something I've said before on the forum (and in the original post)? In my opinion, if sasquatch exists, the (US) government won't be able to hide it (whether they want to or not). Why would the govt. spend time and money tapping and robbing and so on? All it'd take is a logging truck with a bigfoot dented 12 inches into the radiator and a driver with shocked expression and it's out there for ever. When that happens all clandestine surveillance of, and theft from, researchers would have been a waste of time, manpower and money. Plus, any effort to steal data from individuals is pointless - especially as nowadays any one of us could re-distribute, duplicate and/or hide such data easily, long before we gave anyone the chance to root around in our houses.

If you claim to have bigfoot evidence, take a few very small, common-sense precautions and I don't think there's an agency in the world that can stop you presenting it at the time and place of your choosing. Dare I say it, but the Georgia circus showed this.

If the thefts in The Locals did take place, I'd be more likely to place the blame on other researchers. Thats if they took place at all.

Thank you, Ludo. This thread sorely needed some common sense and perspective!

some ppl seem to think governments are stupid, Governments control the media, they can and will keep secrets no matter what, does any one remember the lights over that city phoenix that they said was flares? Some ppl have been watching too many films where someone sticks the top secret info on the internet and the world knows, the government will shut the web down if it has to stop any one going against there agenda of control. If you believe any different then you are falling in to their trap. Governments dont work with or believe in common sense there policy is to lie ,lie, lie and if that dont work lie again. Even if bigfoot danced on telly they would deny it, if that didnt work then they would lie. GOVERMENTS BIGGEST FEAR IS ONES ABLITY TO BELIEVE IN OTHER THINGS OUT SIDE OF THE FIVE SENSES. If Bigfoot is real, he is outside the five senses!!

Lord we've gone from a Borg invasion to having to worry about the Matrix.

what's your point?? Either contribute or get out.

I tend to stay away from Conspiracy theorys,,,, however I find it odd that the places that I know are most likey to have BF activity at night are closed to people at night!!!!! I have thought about that for a long time and wondered if they already know what is out there and are just trying to keep war of the worlds from happening again.

Then there is the idea that someone could just want them to move. There are some pretty good goodole boy societies in the south that tend to harrass people. Could be a number of reasons to harrass people into selling.

I had banging on the side of one of my houses in the middle of the night....Horrible person probably still remembers what the end of the 270 looked like sticking out the window. He had a deer hide over him too. I geuss he thought he could scare me.I had lots of horrble things happen to me in that house.....none of it was bigfoot though they have been seen in that area.


Cheers

Settle down Sparky. If you don't play well with others the government is going to sneak into your house at night and give you a spanking.

Don't be an idiot all your life... take a day off!! lol

Hi

Now Normally with a comment like this i could see a few days mandatory relaxation period coming your way, You know get a little time off to reflect on how to get along with others and at least try to show some respect, Hey we all have our days and maybe you just had a bad one, Understandable as long as ~ BM ~ Don't mind i guess cause you did point it his way,

But with the addition of the last idiot remark i am sure you can expect something heading your way for sure, Might be from the forum members , Could be from the Mods, Anyway Good luck and happy Socializing in the future

Peace
Tim

The "government" is people, just like you and me. Yes there are CIA operative types employed by governments and we all sleep better at night if we don't think about the sorts of things these people do. But such elite elements represent a tiny fraction of the people working in government. The other 99% of government employees go about their daily business with no special security clearance, no use for dark glasses other than to cut down on glare, and no hidden agenda.

Now if you really think that bigfoot holds some great significance to national security, then I suppose that's your prerogative. Clearer heads will need a few more of the dots connected, however, before knotting our panties over such a notion.

i made a joke the same as he did and i get told off


if you read my post i never said anything about national security, bigfoot is not a terrorist all i said was the governments agenda of keeping ppl in the realm of the five senses. I hope that the person who said ` knotting our panties over such a notion` gets told off. If not then ban me!! Because obviously, you lot are just like the governments, and im wasting my time on this forum. If im wrong then you wont ban me!

My prediction: this thread will be closed within 36 hours...

Well, I photographed some ectomists at dusk in my research area one night and they sure seemed to be watching me research pretty intently.
One even curled over my elevated feeding basket (he says trying to get in one last post before dooms day) ps some day I'm going to get all these pics uploaded to an anonymous webpage

IM NOT IN THE WRONG. oh im in for it of the forum mafia, the mods can tell me off i can live with that but gettin gang
banged by the forum members haha what a joke,CYA, all because i give a good opinion.


p.s dont forget your colors YOU A BLOOD OR A CRIP . gangbangin ftw

Bend over brother, you need to chill

[quote name='wickie' date='Mar 18 2009, 06:22 PM' post='523119']
Bend over brother, you need to chill
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fair enough i need to chill, but youve just joined the forum mafia so bro you bend. i gave facts how governments work and got cussed, and i got told off THAT IS BANG OUT OF ORDER what cos i am a newbie all i want is fairness i would really have liked to been a part of this forum. if you cant see that then IF SOMEONE CUSSES ME I AM NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND TAKE IT ok mr gotti


again mods dont say nothing is it cos im a newbie.

Dude, you joined afew days after me, not hardly a newbie. You are intitled to your gov opinion, but you don't have a right to call someone an idiot. and that's Mr. Gotti, you forgot to capitalize

if someones an idiot im going to tell them there an idiot mr grammer police.just the same as someone whos going to tell me to bend over dum dum
mods could you please step in i never started this bbq

Hi

Let me simply explain why i posted what i did,
First off it is against the forum rules to tell someone to ( Either contribute or get out.
Not only that but it is rude and uncalled for,

Second ~ Don't be an idiot all your life... take a day off!! lol
Calling someone an Idiot in any post is again against the Forum rules and uncalled for . . . putting in a LOL don't change the meaning, I did not see you being attacked with words so why would you choose to post back like you Did are


Peace
Tim

They are most likely laughing their butts off!