This came to mind from reading the fear factor.bear in mind that I'm not a doctor or biologist or any those related things.(which you all probably knew )I have however seen and also helped to treat alot of semi to serious gunshot and other wounds.The 1880's bf link which I read several times got me thinking(I gotta quit that )I believe I've heard of at least a dozen reports of a Bf being shot and basically just running away.as humans we tend to differ in several base characteristics.alot of which depend on our lifestyle.example execise extreme or just enough vs. a couch potato.I was thinking about some of the wounds I've seen and how they differed based on a given pesons biolgy/physigonomy.for instance if you shot a very 200 lbs. man who never had any exersize he would still show more wound trauma than a 200 lb.man who exercized everyday.why?because through regular exersize he had conditioned his muscle and bones to be at a higher density than the first man.I can only imagine what the muscular density of a bf must be like since there have been reports of them lifting object in excess of 500 lbs.I believe this could cause a bf to be less damaged by any form of trauma that would otherwise totally incapacitate a man.you guy's thoughts?

I do not know much about gunshots and hunting....I have read and you hunters can confirm or deny that bear, for instance must be shot in the heart or head to be brought down with any certainty.

I found the fact that the Minnesota Ice Man account, at least the first one, was the bigfoot was shot by sheer luck in the eye....and those who examined the corpse said its eye was shot out.....really fascinating.

Other accounts of a bigfoot being shot are the Ape Canyon incident from the 1800 too I believe....and eye witness accounts of bigfoot with gunshot wounds.

Of course there are accounts of them being shot and not flinching, too. But a bear is like that, too. They have a thick and tough hide.

Just some thoughts for whatever they are worth....... :roll:

I'd have to agree that muscle density would probably play a part but the main thing I'd want to focus on concerning bigfoot who have been shot is the ballistics.

Several years ago, there was a news report concerning this guy that the police had gone to arrest and in the course of them apprehending him, he was shot multiple times (5 or 8 I believe) with .38 caliber rounds. The man was very obese and the rounds didn't even penetrate past the fat layer on his body. The doctors that treated him were amazed. What would have more than likely been mortal wounds on most people were only minor flesh wounds on this guy. I don't know what distance the police fired from though.

If I recall correctly, the miner that shot the bigfoot in the Ape Canyon encounter used a 12 gauge shotgun. Now, at close range a 12ga. loaded with 00 buckshot is absolutely devastating but a shotgun round loses a lot of velocity and penetrating power over a longer distance.

I guess what I'm getting at is that you'd have to know what size round was used and at what distance it was fired from in order to make an accurate guesstimate as to how a bigfoot would hold up to it.

I know that the SKS I own will kill the engine block of any vehicle within 50 yards if I'm using full metal jacketed rounds. I won't even get descriptive of what it will do to a deer at 70 yards with a hollow point but suffice it to say, they didn't suffer at all.

Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I don't think a bigfoot could withstand a shot from something of that caliber within a hundred yards if the shot was placed in the center mass or head.

Of course, this is all academic since I have no plans of finding out. Something tells me that they just don't taste like chicken. :wink:

yeah.....what Fishbone said....

You know, just because someone shoots an animal, and they don't SEE it go down....doesn't mean it didn't.

That's all I should say. But if anyone ever wants to talk endlessly about ballistics, feel free to e-mail me.

yeah...what fishbone and rb said.....

shot my first bear years ago.....sternum type shot.....close

range.....totally wiped out his heart......he ran 125 yards before keeling

over....wonder how many people have shot at bigfoots and didn't attempt

to trail them........wes sumerlin told me once he saw one shot with a .300

weatherby and wasn't knocked down

<--- City boy being officially grossed out by where this one's heading...

A chimpanzee bit my little brother once.

I have often wondered about the people who say "I know I hit it". I am not saying that some of them didn't, maybe they did and it is just like you guys said.

(I totally agree with everything said in this post so far.)

I also have to add that just because someone "thought" they hit it, doesn't particularly mean they "did" hit it. Who would want to admit they shot at something 5 times and missed?

That's a good one for the hunters. Is there a way to know you've hit something? I assume if you find blood on the ground, that's a pretty good clue, but are there other ways? The movies would have you believe there's pink clouds of blood and stuff like that. Just wondering...

Nope, never seen a pink cloud...seen a puff of feathers from birds. But a miss sometimes sounds different than a hit...(hollow ring vs. solid thud or whack)

An elephant once stepped on my friend's foot.

Dude, you're cruisin'... 8)

[SIZE=1]A moose once bit my sister.

Uh oh, he's on to me...... Umm, I think I hear my mother calling me, gotta go!

This is true...but I wonder how many of those people were listening close enough to the sound of the shots with an 8 to 10 foot tall hairy creature staring at them!?

I need to state first, for the record, i am AGAINST shooting one of these animals. There, that said and out of the way, lets talk a bit about ballistics.

I dont think that any normal large caliber is going to do much harm (lethal) to a sasquatch. You need a good heavy elephant hunting round or bigger. Something on the lines of the M-2 .50 cal round or a 20mm. AND then the shot will need to be placed in a lethal area (brain, heart, lungs). Try doing this, in the dark, shaking, and with your mind racing at 100 mph. Not an easy task. Then you have to take into account, his clan members, will they attack? Will they even so much as let you walk away? How many of them within screaming distance will there be ?? *throwing in the unknown factor*
Forget it, concentrate on finding a naturally deceased corpse, or a good clear photograph (the odds are better i think).

We are talking about an animal whos weight estimates far exceed 1000 lbs ... thats half a ton of muscle and bone, very little fat reserves. Compare a prize bull at 2000 lbs, not a very big animal when you compare them to sasquatch, a bulls bulk is in the chest and abdominal regions (skinny legs) (not so with a quatch, they are bulky all the way thru ).. will a 30.06 springfield fired in the daytime at a marginal range take one of these out (bull)? Not usually.

See one, and you'll understand.

Wavin'
Rob Ustes

"Oh no, dont do that, youll just make him mad" Waco Kid to Sheriff Bart regarding shooting Mongo

Hi there, I am new at this and really rusty, but I can see I found a great forum.
Still laughing with the chimpanzee note
I guess I should say I have hit a lot of deer over the years and not with a gun Instead my vehicles. Most of the deer lived ... what's it got to do with guns? Not sure. But I know lots of people say that there should be auto collisions with these things. I just wonder if
a.) they are so big and powerful they can take a nasty hit with both gun
and vehicle
b.) they are probably so agile that they can move in ways that deer can only dream about
I also hear that they look so similar to some people to some hunters that they would never pull the trigger.

I have several olde Florida reports in my Hall of Wonders here, of Bigfoot being shot at and taking off. All were body shots none were head shots. None of the shots by "professional" hunters just by FL crackers who happened to be armed at the time.

As McKnife says, they look too much like us in the face, with some facial differences.


I was stung by a scorpion once.

Well, here a report that is pretty freaky:

http://www.texasbigfoot.com/Cherokee1.html

If true, bigfoot is for reals (and the friends who were going to play the hoax apparantly are still alive) and can be shot, but it would take alot to bring him down obviously....what do you hunters make of this report? I know what a 357 magnum is, but how powerful was the rifle?


My horse stepped on my toe once.......

OK, the .357 was obviously a pistol. If you're referring to the shotgun (big difference between that and a rifle) then you'd have to work on a couple of assumptions. Since they stated that they were deer hunting, I would have to assume that the shotgun would be loaded with either buckshot or slugs. At 15 to 20 feet, as was indicated in the report, a shotgun would produce devastating results regardless of whether the rounds were buckshot or slugs. The shock trauma and the tissue damage would be tremendous. As far as the .357, it could be loaded with either .357 rounds or .38 specials. The .357 rounds would be more powerful and if they were hollow points, the damage could be expected to be greater than standard rounds.

If the sas were able to drag itself off that would indeed be quite a feat.

However, I wouldn't want to be stuck with that group. Considering the fact that scaring a friend was mentioned, I guess it's a good thing that it wasn't one of their buddies in a monkey suit attempting to play a practical joke.

My thoughts exactly ....happily, they did not mention the untimely demise of any friends.....

It is odd, that the creature came up to them also...

But I was wondering what would happen to a bear if shot like that at close range?

And....from a hunter's perspective...is this account believable?

A bear? 3 rounds of buckshot and 6 .357 rounds at 20'? Dead bear.

Sasquatch? Same scenario? Yeah, I guess it's believable but it still goes back to, why didn't they take the body? If it was still alive after being shot that many times, why not pump a few more rounds into it and make the scientific claim of the century? Why, why, why???

I guess different people will react differently to different situations but if I had been in their shoes and I'd shot one in self-defense (which this account makes that questionable) I'd be on guard with that body until I could get the help required to get it out of the woods. Send one of the people there for additional help and then stand guard with my other buddy. Of course, there's the chance they'd come back and find two grease spots where we'd been and the body gone but I'd be inclined to go ahead and take the chance if I'd already bitten the bullet, so to speak.

I can see becoming so afraid that they would just want to get away from it. Some people who have these encounters have no idea what it is at the time and ony come to the realization later after they have had time to think it over and realize that it might have been a bigfoot. Even then, they have no idea what a big find it is until they have talked to others who know more about it.

Sometimes the first initial reaction is that there is a "monster" or a "demon" of sorts about to kill them. I can understand the fleeing in fear in that case.

And I am not so sure the creature dragged itself away. From what I have learned, these creatures seldom travel far from their own. I am more inclined to think that other bigfoot drug the body away. It has been said to have happened on a few other occasions I know of.

Then what? What do you think they did with it? I'm not aware of any other primate that does anything with their dead other than leave them where they die. If bigfoot dispose of their dead in any way, that would be remarkable behavior...

That is a very good question Bipto. I have no idea what they do with it.

Some people say they bury their own. I am iffy on what they might do afterwards but I have heard more than one occasion where the person actually witnessed them retrieving the body. There is a report from a long time ago (40's or 50's? can't remember) involving a train and its crew where the train hit the creature and the crew put the body inside a box car only to have it taken from the box car by "people" whom they heard surrounding them in the woods. I can't remember all the details of the story.

There is also the possibility of cannibalism. I have heard a few indian legends that called the creatures cannibals. Hummm, makes you wonder if there isn't some kind of truth to that and might even be why there are no dead ones in the wilderness to be found.

Hey, before you all say it...I am not saying that this IS what happens, just an idea that might happen is all.

you've got to wonder.if you believe alot of the indian/native american legends, the wendigo/manitou which factor into alot of them are supposedly the spirits of cannibalism.(also not saying thats what it is,justa possibility)

UGGGGHHH !!!!

If they are cannibals then they could/would maybe eat humans, too !!!

There goes benign ape out the window ....

Hey, msfit, what's eating ya!?!

well maybe not cannibals,but I was wondering last night if they may forage on roadkill?

I've heard that brought up before. I think it was Jon Larson who said that on the site somewhere...

I read a report of a couple somewhere around here in California, who passed a bigfoot scraping up a dead something on the road at night and eating it ....they said the bigfoot was skinny and it would not move outta the way, they had to go around it ....but that was like in the 60's I think.....



You are itching for a fight now aren't ya???? And to think I overlooked the Canadian capers....hhmmmpph :wink: