I think this report is one of the most believable and entertaining of any that I have read.

http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_report.asp?id=8547

Several things make this report believable to me. One feature that I like to see in a report, is a reporting date that is close to the sighting date. This one was reported 25 days after the sighting occurred. I also like reports from hunters as I stated before, the fact that the hunter is totally concealed makes it even better. The description of the creature and the stalk it made of the hog just tops the cake for me. This report of the charge being made from a squatting position is the first I've seen.

What do you think?

Choctaw

Without a doubt, that's one seriously entertaining report. I've read hundreds of BFRO reports, notably years ago when I was more inclined to take that group seriously. Not any more. I am coming to the point where I think they employ fiction writers to create their public reports. Let's face it, their reports are what drum up their business.

About that report: given (1) the horrific spectacle that unfolded in front of the hog hunter, (2) the general nature of game hunters to be less-than-hesitant to shoot things, and (3) the caliber of the rifle being large enough to drop a wild boar, doesn't it strike you as odd that he didn't blow the BF's head off?

I mean, seriously! If I witnessed the terrifying slaughter of a hog like he describes, the first thing that would enter my head would be the notion to make certain I wasn't next on the menu. Anything that can assault a wild hog and kill it in the manner described certainly qualifies for a dangerous wild animal.

Whenever I read a report of a hunter who "couldn't bring myself to shoot it" I know I'm not dealing with a real hunter. Hunters kill things because it's Thursday. You throw in 15-foot leaps and vicious hog killing-by-fist and there's going to be a hailstorm of lead in those woods.

I wasn't there, so I don't know. I didn't meet this guy. But for my money, this BFRO report is 100% pure BS.

I believe this report has been discussed here somewhere.

Kevin,

I don't think you know hunters very well. The folks I have talked to that have seen one of these creatures while they were hunting always tell me that "you can't believe what you are watching, so much so, that the thought of taking a shot at one never occurs in the short time you are watching it". Some folks aren't sure at first that they aren't seeing a human.

These creatures are big, and I mean huge! I have had hunters tell me that they didn't think that they had a big enough caliber to be taking a shot at one of these creatures.

You would be surprised how many bigfoot reports come in from deer hunters.

So, I don't think you can judge what a hunter will do, without experiencing a sighting yourself. Folks who have never seen one of these creatures really don't have an idea of what the experience is like.

Choc..That is a wicked encounter!! Indeed one of the best i have ever read!...Thank you for sharing!

I hunt. Been doing so for about 36 of my 42 years.

I call bs on this one.

For one thing

He can see the creature. But yet he was somehow able to climb out of his tree stand and then climb into another tree stand all within view without the creature seeing him? Riiiiiight.

Also the jumping from one tree to the next of the creature. Not the true method of a predator/hunter. Cartoonish type acts written by an obvious non hunter.

The caliber not big enough.... more BS

Just how big a caliber does one need to knock the head off of anything? Especially close range like this report.

If you were "the" hunter, and did take the shot......and happened through nerves to just "wing" one, how would you like to be that first hunter to have to take a follow up shot before your face is smashed? Just sayin'.........

KevinM,

You've just witnessed a very large being kill a hundred and fifty pound hog in seconds, but you wouldn't hesitate to shoot?
I have hunted all my life with shotguns, rifles, bows, and about anything else that is lethal. I have killed all kinds of animals; game and predator. And I doubt seriously that I would have shot the Sasquatch if for no other reason than self preservation.

BigDave,

I've probably read this story a half dozen times or more. I have yet to read where he climbed down out of his stand and got into another stand while the Sas was present. I did read where he waited thirty minutes after the creature left to climb down and go get his buddy out of his buddy's stand.

One other reason I like this story is that Sabine River has a lot of history of sighting and it is in Texas.

Every one is entitled to their opinion.

While I'm at this link is to my second most favorite sighting. This story was in the Alabama Fish and Game magazine

http://www.alabamabigfoot.com/bigfoot/repo...gameandfish.htm

Choctaw

I doubt the scientiffic reliability of the BFRO. Their style of argueing seems some kind of infantile to me, the sighting reports look bogus. I wouldn't say that the BFRO isn't full of guys who try to make profite with it. One thing that also allways comes to mind is the expedition that found the skookum imprint. Why weren't cameras installed near the fruits? Where are photos of the biten fruits? I don't say the skookum imprint is faked, but I think it could be that of a normal elk as well.



My motivation would be to solve the Sasquatch-question. I would try to shoot it with the least possible damaging of the body.

All review of reports (BFRO or otherwise) are pure speculation. We hear or read about an incident, and whatever credibility we give it is a combination of what the report contains combined with whatever experiences we have, skills, etc.

As for my own understanding of hunters...guess what? I grew up in rural Vermont. My father was state trapshooting champion in the 1960s. I knew how to reload 12-gauge shells before I could ride a bike. Four of my science class study projects involved liberal amounts of Hercules Red Dot shotgun powder. In my town we had a name for kids who played with M-80s: "Sissy." Most Democrats would be aghast at the weapons I owned before I was old enough to drink. Back in the 1970s it was perfectly normal to see over three dozen cars every day driving down Main Street with a deer carcass tied up on the hood. The lifespan of a STOP or YIELD sign in my hometown that didn't have buckshot holes was about 36 hours.

So let's not get on the silly, "You ain't a hunter, bub!" bandwagon. It doesn't take Hannibal Lecter to figure out a hunter. And I stand by every word I wrote.

That was a very entertaining, captivating report. For all I know, it's completely true. But until I have better reason to believe the putrid fragrance of BS in the air is coming from something other than that report, I think the report is a steaming, fly-buzzing pile of fresh cow-pizza.

This just might make an interesting thread: Let's have a fiction writing contest and see who can come up with the most intriguing bogus report. This one sets the bar pretty high. I'll bet more than a few of us here can out-do it.

Point taken. Big animal. My eyes are bulging. I'm terrified. I have a Remington 30-06 that goes limp in my hand.

I see a large animal in predation mode and I'm convinced it isn't human, I'm taking my rifle and painting the sky with the contents of its head. I can't speak about the hunters where you're from, but in Vermont people pick up a firearm with only one purpose: to kill something. Anything. As soon as possible. With any luck, you can eat it.

Not saying Vermont hunters are any smarter or rugged than the average ex-con, but they do have a well-earned reputation for yanking the trigger at the drop of a hat. And that's why I never go hiking during deer season.

No offense.

Sorry to say you wouldn't be allowed at my hunt camp. We shoot what we intend to hunt (deer/moose)and nothing else. We see wolves, bear and other critters all of the time and don't "paint the sky with the contents of its head". Poor hunting ethics and something kids would do until they get the real meaning of the words sportsman, conservation, ethics and what is right. No offense! ;-)

t.

This is one of the most descriptive and interesting reports I have read , so far. After the attack and kill.... and at the point the creature dropped the hog and possibly spotted the hunter in the tree...the hunter Must have been scared shitless. Good thing he used common sense, and did not not take a shot at the creature, as there was apparently more than one, that answered the attacking creature's whoops.
I see no reason why a hunter would make up something like this.... just to entertain some people on a BF forum ? I'm taking it as being a very real encounter .

Bill R.

Whether this report is true or not, as the history of this phenomena supports, questioning the likeliness of why and who would make up a story should be the last reason to suspect a hoax or a yarn.

His motivation was to hunt hogs, and apparently he had competition from a top of the line predator who was quite efficient at doing that very well
thank you, his purpose was not to shoot something he'd probably never seen before. If it was his first up close and personal view of a squatch it
certainly would have been one to cause him to pause and forget about taking a shot. I think had you been in his position, perhaps having never seen such an
animal, you would have difficulty shooting to kill, much less shooting for minimal cosmetic impact? You would have spent your time trying to interpret what
you were seeing while not filling up your britches, and then praying that it didn't have friends that were hungrier than him and didn't like ham on the hock.

I remember this story. It's a good one, very entertaining. Unlike most other stories or reports that I've read, this one has a huge puzzle piece starring right at us. Usually encounters or sightings are random. This Sas was in a specific place at a specific time...... to hunt hogs at sunrise (just like the hunter in the tree stand). I hope some researchers use this bit of info in their search. Follow the hogs.

If the story is not BS that is.

The sighting was not reported to the BFRO, nor was it investigated by the BFRO.

It was reported to and investigated by the TBRC.

Here is the link to the report on our website:

Hog hunter has an amazing encounter.

Well,

That's my first ever BFRO report read, so I don't know how they usually go, but other than the kill time being incredibly short, I think he was listing all kinds of details that a hoaxer may not bother with. I think when we truly witness anything, all kinds of details are burned into our memory, as they happen, and may not fit with a well tailored story, but we speak of them anyway, because we witnessed them. It could be anything down to a game winning touchdown.

As to motivations, and tendencies, I guess hunters have to remain split. I've been a back packer, and never a hunter. I'm one of those carnivores who let's other people do the killing. So yeah - I'm a hypocrite.

But it comes back once again to the moment when you see one. And Kevin, if you see a disturbingly human presence study you with simple curiousity, I guess you just have to be there. Till then there's no use speculating. Or categorizing.

For my money, there would have been no shot from me.

Do I accept the report? I can't deny being a little gullible at times, but I'd give it about a 70% acceptance. And to the guy who witnessed it; if it did happen, my opinion means nothing, and has no bearing on events.

BB

I was pretty sure that was the case but was hoping the TBRC would chime in to confirm.

@Terry: Glad to hear there are still hunters with a sense of ethics. I met very few in Vermont, which is one of several reasons I never fell in with hunting.

@imonacan: "I see no reason why a hunter would make up something like this.... just to entertain some people on a BF forum"

This is a common overgeneralization people all over the world make. It happens with politics, religion, regional culture, etc. If you are a (Muslim, Catholic, Liberal, Conservative, ten-pin bowler, fan of Led Zeppelin, etc.), there is a sense of pride and community which we all tend to cast over the like-minded whom we hope hold to the same ethics and principles that we do as individuals.

A hunter would, in fact, make this up because all hunters are human beings. BS-ing is part of the human makeup. If you were to tell me that so-and-so was full of fertilizer, I would have no clue as to whether they were a hunter, politician, salesman, novelist...the list goes on and on.

We would all hope that most hunters were as thoughtful and decent as they claim to be (and most I have met truly are). But every group has its bad apples. If I met a hunter that insisted he was abducted by aliens and was told to convince all humans to vote for Eisenhower, his delusion is something I would not suspect was typical of all hunters.

I'm not questioning anything. I don't suspect it as being either a hoax or a yarn. I believe it to be a real encounter by a hunter in the field, hunting hogs.... that got lucky enough to witness one of these incredible creatures stalking it's prey.

So are you saying BFRO "lifts" sighting reports from the internet ad lib style? And, yes, I remember reading this one first at the TBRC site.

Kevin, This is the only thing that you've said on the thread, so far, that I really can agree with.
I also don't think that you are a good spokesman, for hunters in Vermont, either.

Bill R.

Agreed. Merry Christmas.

Hi

We hit on this report a little earlier during the week, I stand on my belief that it is one of the better reports i have read ... I don't know if i give it any more credit cause it is from the Texas Bigfoot Organization rather then the BFRO but it helps

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...mp;#entry522378

Peace
Tim

ecwool,

Thanks for clearing up where the report came from originally. I knew I had read it on more than one site, but this was the link that I found when I started looking for it again.

Choctaw

The TBRC and BFRO had a cooperative report sharing setup for awhile.

Do they still?

Just some observations on the report (going on the premise that it is true).

Nowhere did I read what size the gun was.

Closest point of approach appears to be around 40 yards.

(Maybe the witness didn't feel he had the gun for taking down the animal at that range. He was also very un-nerved over what he had just seen.)

The other hunter heard the sound too. Did TBRC follow up with him as well?

Ingress was by boat so they would not have had to trek through the area and alerting the BF on the way in.

Witness was about 25 feet up and camo'ed at daybreak. Seems reasonable that he could have remained concealed, especially if the BF was intently concentrating on the hunt.

Don't know if this one is real or not, but I don't sense a lot of red flags as is the case with some of them. But then I am not a hog hunter, so there may be a lot that I am missing. Anyway, my thoughts...

Does anyone remember reading this story with something other than a hog? I think I remember reading the same thing, hunter in tree stand, fellow hunter was nearby, BF hopped from tree base to tree base, but there was some other type of critter rather than a hog and the author was extremely detailed with the bone crunching verbiage. I read so many of these things they get all blurred together after awhile.

Sounds like a very unnerving scene for a witness to see unfold, for him to not take a shot at it. Afterall, he was watching it through his scope, as I understand it.

I say its nonsense. But you never know.

There are two identical threads. I'm going to close this one

I opened this thread back up. I had moved it from General Discussion earlier and it was showing in both places.

oh well duh...

sorry

Hi

Is the Birthday Girl having a nice relaxing day

Peace
Tim

This is a very interesting point. This certainly isn't a case of mistaken identity. The reporter is either lying, had a genuine encounter, or he is simply crazy. Imagine if he could have caught this 10 to 20 minute sighting on film. My take, bs.

Yup, you shoot what you have a tag for and nothing else, period.

I've had bears, etc come towards me while hunting deer. I readied my gun or bow, just in case. The same thing applied when I ran into that ugly ape thing, I even had my bow drawn but once I realized that I was aiming at I let off. Not because I "couldn't bring myself to shoot it" but because:

A - I wasn't hunting apemen and had no tag for one
B - It didn't look like it would be very good to eat
C - It was too big to drag out of the woods by myself
D - I had no idea what I was looking at and because of that not 100% sure where the "vitals" were
E - It was BIG and even if I did stick an arrow in it's vitals, I felt confident that it would be able to close the distance between us and I didn't want to be face to face with that ugly thing
F - It was PO'd and BIG
G - The most important reason...there is no animal like this, there is no way that I'm seeing what I'm seeing so why bother shooting a figment of my imagination

Pulled the link for this report from the TBRC site and it's a little more informative than the BFRO copy:
http://www.texasbigfoot.org/reports/report/detail/282

At a casual glance, I'm encouraged by the fact that the Investigator states there was no deviation of facts from the initial report and the followup interview(s). This is a very important observation. Another important detail during an interview with someone who has or believes he has experienced a real incident would be the fact that the witness should/would be able to pick his story up at any point of the incident. He should be able to start at the end and back track, or in the middle, etc... all without getting lost, deviating or leaving out major details and in fact most people who are being truthful will actually add details during the oral interview. This particular technique, when applied by a competent interviewer, will weed out most (read 90+%) BS artists and storytellers.

IMO the "red flags":

TWO FOOTED jumps from tree to tree "landing without a sound"...come on 800-1000 lb animal jumping from one spot to another landing on two 16" (or larger?) feet and not making any noise!!!

Changing to 4 legged locomotion.

Beating the hog to death with its fists

Looking at the hunter just before departure....

This sounds like an Edgar Rice Burroughs story (you know, the guy who wrote Tarzan)...(key word STORY)

I just don't think its believable. As for why? who knows, why did Whitton & Dyer do what they did? Sometimes people just make up stories.

Lot of red flags in my opinion. The amount of detail (about teeth and toenails?) The length of the "jumps" it took. Thats 45 feet per jump....(for the attack jumps) also the magnification of the scope zoom, at that short of a distance? The length of time it took to cover that short distance? The hunter says he saw it for 20 minutes? There was a lot of things that point to the BS category in this sighting.


The frequent mentions of other bigfoot sightings in the encounter as well. I think we're dealing with a bigfoot campfire story here, by a bigfoot "fan". Not genuine IMHO.

Any one know if these reports are edited or do they post them to their site "as is"? The reason I'm asking is because there do not appear to be any "qualifiers" (words used to justify certain statements) in this report, so at face value, it's either a canned story or and actual incident-- from a statement content analysis standpoint.
I'd be interested to know if there's an audio or video tape available of the followup interview(s) by the investigator and if they used any I&I techniques such as the one I previously mentioned.

There may be some red flags to this story. I dunno. It sounds plausible.

However.......



Yep, they move through the woods pretty good, without making any noise. That is how they sneak up on you.



Our southern creatures go down on all fours when they need speed. And 4x4 makes it easier to run through the brush and briars.



Well, what else is a hungry monster suppose to use?



Why not? The boogers I encounter in the woods almost always let me know that they know I am there.



I don't think this story in anyway compares with what the Georgia Boys dreamed up.

And since people do like to make up stories, we will always require some form of evidence to back up the story.

Glad to know another Edgar Rice Burroughs fan.

The report describes in vivid detail how these creatures actually hunt hogs, deer and domestic cattle. The creatures have been seen by numerous other witnesses who report exactly what this witness reported. Feral hogs is their first choice for their main course when available. They typically use their fists to kill smaller prey animals, and dogs that have not learned to fear and avoid them. Males, especially the larger and older ones, often carry large, green-limb clubs which they use to kill larger prey, domestic and wild.

The report is a lesson for those wanting to learn.

I can remember driving to school with gun rack loaded so i could head straight to deer stand after

I found it:

http://weeklyworldnews.com/celebs/2605/palin-bags-a-bigfoot/

and you better believe that they made more money than Monkeymaker ever did!

Can you provide some references on this statement? I have not seen other reports like this one, but would be very interested in doing so.

By the way, Py pretty much summed up my thoughts on why this one seems plausible to me.

I too question why the hunting partner wasn't contacted. Would be very insightful to hear his account of what he heard.

I've spoken with this witness in person RR, He retold the account verbatum to what he reported. He also gave a few more details about his reaction when the creature looked up at him in the stand. It was quite revealing. I had intitially set up the meeting to get some input from him on the whoop recordings that my team had recorded in a similar type habitat about 75 miles west of his encounter. When we played a recording of one our blast responses, his face told the story, you can't fake that.

He has had a genuine, deeply moving experience IMO.

SY.

I have to say that take in isolation I found the report a bit 'over-written'. I'm a little discouraged by the high estimation - the thing jumped 30 yards in two bounds. And the scream on the second jump concerns me. If you were jumping 45 feet at a target, to my mind that's quite far and letting out a scream as you did so would give it a fair chance of scramming, or at least not being where it was when you took off?

The answering whoops were "200-300 yards out". Wouldn't it be hard to put a figure on how far away these answering calls were?

I also believe that the natural instinct for someone making this up would be to indicate that the bigfoot knew they were there. This avoids the accusation that, "so you're a smelly hunter holding a gun a few dozen yards from a hugely alert bigfoot and it doesn't know you're there? Come on!" But once you've got the animal clocking you it's hard to resist getting a little creative with things like the cocked head, the curious, studying expression, the mouth opening to show the teeth and make a noise.


But... if SY has met this witness, and is convinced that the encounter occurred, I'm going with that.

That was one good report. gave some very important information thats for sure for investigators to study.

Most "Real Hunters" are some of the greatest conservationist you will find anywhere. There are plenty of times in an avid hunters life when he makes the choice not to kill something just because he can. There are plenty of us out there who are well equipped and well trained to take life be it animal or human yet dont take the shot. Its easy for those who have never witnessed one of these creatures to say what they would have done had they been there, but that's the point as Kevin stated, they were not there. Sasquatch gives a whole new meaning to the term "Shock and Awe". It takes everything in your power just to stand there let alone do something agressive, especially if you are alone with the thing. If any have read of my recounting of my 2 encounters you will know that the last one I saw up close I could have easily hit with a rock let alone the .44 Mag rifle I was carrying. Shooting it was pointless, it would have been a long walk home alone if I had killed it and even more harrowing trying to return for it because I have never believed they are solitary creatures. No known primate is solitary for very long periods so why should I expect Sasquatch to be any different in that regard? I'm a 20 year marine grunt, a trained killer. I'm not bragging just stating an obvious fact. (Your tax dollars at work) I'm well armed when I go out there now, but I still wouldnt shoot one unless I had to and it's probably 50/50 on getting out of the woods alive by myself.

I have to say that I was taken aback by some of the comments about hunters. I am a hunter who went hunting with my pops for the first time when I was 5 years old, grew up in a hunting family and it is because of hunters that many species of animals are at their current populations and distribution. My greatest hunting moments have come from seeing species of all kinds and beautiful scenes of nature, not of harvesting a big buck. Almost all hunters I know just need an excuse to get out there and appreciate nature, and maybe bag a buck or turkey once a year...