Full Version: Eye Shine
Or is it something internal, like what lightning bugs produce?
Have you ever seen red eye in a photo? It's because the
subject was looking straight at the camera. That's a reflection
and the color varies by animal.
subject was looking straight at the camera. That's a reflection
and the color varies by animal.
well, this will sound crazy but i swear it happened.
for about 10 years (1991-2000) i was working as an intake coordinator for a local psych hospital. basically i interviewed people who were brought in by the cops at night to see if they required involuntary inpatient hospitalization (5150) or could be referred to an outpatient program or psychiatrist.
this woman was brought in who was very psychotic. she was really out there, and most of what she said made no sense to me. i found it impossible to get her history, altho i knew this was her first psychotic break. (in other words, she'd never nutted-up before)
anyway, while i'm talking to her in my office, trying to find out whats going on, i was looking right at her face, into her eyes and they flashed bright red...just for a split second.
it scared the s**t out of me and i made an excuse to get her out of my office and finished up my paperwork in the company of the unit staff down the hall.
i just KNEW some demon had shown itself to me...or SOMEthing like that. truth is, i dont believe in demons or the devil, but i was very afraid. it's impossible that it was a reflection of light.
kinda off-topic, sorry
gael
for about 10 years (1991-2000) i was working as an intake coordinator for a local psych hospital. basically i interviewed people who were brought in by the cops at night to see if they required involuntary inpatient hospitalization (5150) or could be referred to an outpatient program or psychiatrist.
this woman was brought in who was very psychotic. she was really out there, and most of what she said made no sense to me. i found it impossible to get her history, altho i knew this was her first psychotic break. (in other words, she'd never nutted-up before)
anyway, while i'm talking to her in my office, trying to find out whats going on, i was looking right at her face, into her eyes and they flashed bright red...just for a split second.
it scared the s**t out of me and i made an excuse to get her out of my office and finished up my paperwork in the company of the unit staff down the hall.
i just KNEW some demon had shown itself to me...or SOMEthing like that. truth is, i dont believe in demons or the devil, but i was very afraid. it's impossible that it was a reflection of light.
kinda off-topic, sorry
gael
Rainy here's an older website that might help explain and familarize some with eye shine quality
Eye Shine in Wildlife
can you say " tapetum lucidum"
Robert
Eye Shine in Wildlife
can you say " tapetum lucidum"
Robert
Thanks
QUOTE(liebling @ Nov 20 2003, 01:03 AM)
it's impossible that it was a reflection of light.
Sorry to be a pain, but why would it be impossible? Not saying weird things dont happen.
QUOTE(SkunkHunter @ Nov 20 2003, 12:36 PM)
QUOTE(liebling @ Nov 20 2003, 01:03 AM)
it's impossible that it was a reflection of light.
Sorry to be a pain, but why would it be impossible? Not saying weird things dont happen.
well, mostly because i kept the light in my office pretty low, tring to not overstimulate the psychotics, which were the majority of people i would assess at night (well, them and the suicidal folks). the lamp on my desk only illuminated a circle on the desk itself, just where my papers were. the overhead lights were off, and the only other light coming in the room was from the big flourescents in the hall way of the unit. this was coming in an open door from behind the patient. it wasnt dark, but was dim.
while this happened she hadnt moved her head to the side or anything that could have caught reflective light. she was looking at me and i was looking at her. she was talking and i was trying to figure out what she was trying to say to me. suddenly her eyes glowed/flashed red, as though an led light lit them up.
scared me
i worked there just shy of 10 years, and it never happened again.
gael
This makes me think of one of the first scenes in the movie "Slingblade" where the two college girls are interviewing Carl and he is telling them about killing his mother. Dark room, gravely voice.....spooky. 
uh hmmmmm.
pass the biscuits n mustard please.
pass the biscuits n mustard please.
QUOTE(liebling @ Nov 20 2003, 01:03 AM)
i just KNEW some demon had shown itself to me...or SOMEthing like that. truth is, i dont believe in demons or the devil, but i was very afraid. it's impossible that it was a reflection of light.
kinda off-topic, sorry
gael
kinda off-topic, sorry
gael
Liebling I think its possible it was exactly what you thought it was. I think its telling that you never really believed in demons but in your own words you KNEW that was what it was. In your line of work I am not surprised that you saw something like that.
Speaking of eyes read this latest sighting report off BFRO.
BFRO Sighting Report #7229
QUOTE(rainy @ Nov 19 2003, 09:44 PM)
Or is it something internal, like what lightning bugs produce?
Why not?
QUOTE
Speaking of eyes read this latest sighting report off BFRO.
QUOTE(BenThere_2 @ Nov 20 2003, 08:49 AM)
Rainy here's an older website that might help explain and familarize some with eye shine quality
Eye Shine in Wildlife
can you say " tapetum lucidum"
Robert
Eye Shine in Wildlife
can you say " tapetum lucidum"
Robert
i'll see your "wildlife eyeshine" and raise you..... Bigfoot eyeshine possibilities.
back atcha....
Hello everyone,
This topic interests me because I work at a wildlife sanctuary (exotic animals) and I often photograph them around dusk. When I use my SLR with the flash off camera I don't get as much of an eyeshine...but with my digital and the flash so close to the lens I certainly do. I get different resutls from the big cats of course than I do the bears...and one of the things I've noticed is that bears have very tiny eyes....they do not reflect the flash hardly at all....usually no weird eyeshine in them....but the big cats is a different story...their eyes catch eyeshine from the side and of course head on. But when you look at the big cats..their eyes are huge!!! and when the light gets low their pupils dialate to the max allowing for more light gathering....so they reflect incredibly and it does look like their eyes are glowing. I am attaching a pic of a tiger from the front and you can see what I am talking about....lions too...it is pertty cool
From what I've read about Bigfoot...their eyes are huge...and as a nocturnal animal they would have to have some way of seeing in the dark...but most primates eyes I think glow red..I've heard reports of red eyes and yellow...interesin..
This topic interests me because I work at a wildlife sanctuary (exotic animals) and I often photograph them around dusk. When I use my SLR with the flash off camera I don't get as much of an eyeshine...but with my digital and the flash so close to the lens I certainly do. I get different resutls from the big cats of course than I do the bears...and one of the things I've noticed is that bears have very tiny eyes....they do not reflect the flash hardly at all....usually no weird eyeshine in them....but the big cats is a different story...their eyes catch eyeshine from the side and of course head on. But when you look at the big cats..their eyes are huge!!! and when the light gets low their pupils dialate to the max allowing for more light gathering....so they reflect incredibly and it does look like their eyes are glowing. I am attaching a pic of a tiger from the front and you can see what I am talking about....lions too...it is pertty cool
From what I've read about Bigfoot...their eyes are huge...and as a nocturnal animal they would have to have some way of seeing in the dark...but most primates eyes I think glow red..I've heard reports of red eyes and yellow...interesin..
here is eye shine!
While I was at the Texas confrence I had the plesure of examning the eight foot blow up of patty's head belonging to M.K. Davis. The first thing that caught my eye was the absence of white around the pupil of the eye. For me this removed all the doubt about the patterson film being a hoax. Had it been a man in a monkey suit there would have been visible white in the eyes. I have also noticed the chimps and gorilla pics I have dont have white in thier eyes either. So Sosha; have u noticed this with the primates u work with. Does the various primates eyes glow at nite like the cats do? I know the white doesnt have anything to do with reflection , but I found it strange.
Peg
Peg
Liebling - The weirdest thing happened to me several years ago. My older brother was drawing in my room because the light bulb in his had gone out. I had just gone to bed and asked him to turn the light way down (one of them adjustable lamps), just so he could see enough to sketch whatever the hell he was and I could get some sleep. Anyway, he say's during the middle of the night I woke up, and started walking around, maybe sleep walking or something. And at one point when he looked up at me my eye's flashed bright red for a fraction of a second.
He thought it was quite odd but didn’t talk to me up. Eventually, I stumbled my way downstairs to get a drink of water and only found out about it later the next day, as I strangely enough did not remember a single minute of the freakish incident. I never did believe him because being me I highly doubted something like this could happen. I’ve never told anyone else before because I had actually forgotten about it for a looong time and was only reminded of the event after reading your story.
He thought it was quite odd but didn’t talk to me up. Eventually, I stumbled my way downstairs to get a drink of water and only found out about it later the next day, as I strangely enough did not remember a single minute of the freakish incident. I never did believe him because being me I highly doubted something like this could happen. I’ve never told anyone else before because I had actually forgotten about it for a looong time and was only reminded of the event after reading your story.
Peg,
That's exactly what I was thinking about so I was looking through my photos to see if I had any at night of the monkeys...we have a Hamadrayas Baboon and a Macaque and about 7 Capuchins. But I don't have any night pics of them because at night they all go into and indoor area to sleep that is heated...it is kinda chilly here right now..but I think on Monday I will stay at work late and try to get some pics with my digital and flash and see what kind of results I get. Would be interesting. Hey and I found this interesting information while searching around about primates...seems the only nocturnal monkey is called a "night monkey" (how appropriate eh?) and they have huge eyes, they are a Cebid...this is what I was able to gleen on them....:
Cebids have large, well developed eyes. The Night Monkey (below) has the largest eyes, with only rods and no cones for extra sensitivity in low light.
Southern night monkeys live as small family groups, usually consisting of the parents and 2-4 young. Their huge eyes adapt them for nocturnal life. They sleep through the day huddled together in hollow trees or dense foliage. They become active at the beginning of twilight, by hunting and foraging through the tropical forests of South America. When they awaken, all family members stretch elaborately, urinate, and defecate. Eventually one parent leaves the sleeping tree and makes its way to the first feeding tree by way of lianas. The rest of the family followed in order, first parents then children. The night monkeys are most active when there is a full moon. When there is total darkness, they tend to shift some of their activity into the later and earlier hours of daylight. Grzimek (1990), Nowak (1991)
They sleep there during the day and rarely come down to the ground. They use lianas to move from tree to tree in the dense forest. They feed and work at night making them less apt to deal with predation.
The Douroucouli is the only nocturnal monkey. By avoiding day-active monkeys, it has become so successful that it is found almost throughout South America. At night, it has the whole forest to itself and it forages from the tree tops to the ground.
Its huge eyes give it excellent night vision, and it's sometimes called the Owl Monkey. But it still requires some light and is most active during the full moon.
The part about the full moon is very interesting..I have often read reports where people said they were able to see BF because of the full moon...and many times people have seen them at dawn or dusk....has anyone ever seen a BF in a tree???
-Janice
That's exactly what I was thinking about so I was looking through my photos to see if I had any at night of the monkeys...we have a Hamadrayas Baboon and a Macaque and about 7 Capuchins. But I don't have any night pics of them because at night they all go into and indoor area to sleep that is heated...it is kinda chilly here right now..but I think on Monday I will stay at work late and try to get some pics with my digital and flash and see what kind of results I get. Would be interesting. Hey and I found this interesting information while searching around about primates...seems the only nocturnal monkey is called a "night monkey" (how appropriate eh?) and they have huge eyes, they are a Cebid...this is what I was able to gleen on them....:
Cebids have large, well developed eyes. The Night Monkey (below) has the largest eyes, with only rods and no cones for extra sensitivity in low light.
Southern night monkeys live as small family groups, usually consisting of the parents and 2-4 young. Their huge eyes adapt them for nocturnal life. They sleep through the day huddled together in hollow trees or dense foliage. They become active at the beginning of twilight, by hunting and foraging through the tropical forests of South America. When they awaken, all family members stretch elaborately, urinate, and defecate. Eventually one parent leaves the sleeping tree and makes its way to the first feeding tree by way of lianas. The rest of the family followed in order, first parents then children. The night monkeys are most active when there is a full moon. When there is total darkness, they tend to shift some of their activity into the later and earlier hours of daylight. Grzimek (1990), Nowak (1991)
They sleep there during the day and rarely come down to the ground. They use lianas to move from tree to tree in the dense forest. They feed and work at night making them less apt to deal with predation.
The Douroucouli is the only nocturnal monkey. By avoiding day-active monkeys, it has become so successful that it is found almost throughout South America. At night, it has the whole forest to itself and it forages from the tree tops to the ground.
Its huge eyes give it excellent night vision, and it's sometimes called the Owl Monkey. But it still requires some light and is most active during the full moon.
The part about the full moon is very interesting..I have often read reports where people said they were able to see BF because of the full moon...and many times people have seen them at dawn or dusk....has anyone ever seen a BF in a tree???
-Janice
]Here's another pic of one of those night monkeys...interesting eyes
Thanks Soshea for your info 
Peg
Peg
NP! I love researchin stuff! it makes life fun!
QUOTE(RB @ Nov 20 2003, 12:33 PM)
QUOTE(rainy @ Nov 19 2003, 09:44 PM)
Or is it something internal, like what lightning bugs produce?
Why not?
In my best little kid's voice: BECAUSE!
bioluminescence, or what makes fireflies light up....
HowStuffWorks,com
Now if by some means Sasquatch is able to supply itself with enough luciferin and the reaction above took place .... he'd really be a scary dude at night or day.
I heard a debate a few years back where these creature were infact getting this supply from "poison ivy" ingestion.
I have never taken the time to find out what ingredients
"poison ivy" contains.
I as well as others in the woods have seen vines streched out on the ground ...stripped of berries and greenery. Deer also eat poison ivy so spectulation was the deer caused this findings of long vines layed out to ripen.
Me I don't know.
Robert
HowStuffWorks,com
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"The cells contain a chemical called luciferin and make an enzyme called luciferase. To make light, the luciferin combines with oxygen to form an inactive molecule called oxyluciferin. The luciferase speeds up the reaction, which occurs in two steps:
The luciferin combines with adenosine triphosphate (ATP), which is found in all cells, to form luciferyl adenylate and pyrophosphate (PPi) on the surface of the luciferase enzyme. The luciferyl adenylate remains bound to the enzyme:
luciferin + ATP -------------> luciferyl adenylate + PPi
The luciferyl adenylate combines with oxygen to form oxyluciferin and adenosine monophosphate (AMP). Light is given off and the oxyluciferin and AMP are released from the enzyme's surface:
luciferyl adenylate + O2 -------------> oxyluciferin +AMP + light
The wavelength of light given off is between 510 and 670 nanometers (pale yellow to reddish green color). The cells that make the light also have uric acid crystals in them that help to reflect the light away from the abdomen. Finally, the oxygen is supplied to the cells through a tube in the abdomen called the abdominal trachea. It is not known whether the on-off switching of the light is controlled by nerve cells or the oxygen supply.
The luciferin-luciferase chemical reaction has been used for years to measure the amount of ATP produced in cells and by various chemical reactions. Recently, the gene (section of DNA coding for the protein) for the luciferase enzyme has been isolated, placed in the genes of other organisms, and used to follow the synthesis and/or expression of other genes (i.e. used as a reporter gene).
The luciferin combines with adenosine triphosphate (ATP), which is found in all cells, to form luciferyl adenylate and pyrophosphate (PPi) on the surface of the luciferase enzyme. The luciferyl adenylate remains bound to the enzyme:
luciferin + ATP -------------> luciferyl adenylate + PPi
The luciferyl adenylate combines with oxygen to form oxyluciferin and adenosine monophosphate (AMP). Light is given off and the oxyluciferin and AMP are released from the enzyme's surface:
luciferyl adenylate + O2 -------------> oxyluciferin +AMP + light
The wavelength of light given off is between 510 and 670 nanometers (pale yellow to reddish green color). The cells that make the light also have uric acid crystals in them that help to reflect the light away from the abdomen. Finally, the oxygen is supplied to the cells through a tube in the abdomen called the abdominal trachea. It is not known whether the on-off switching of the light is controlled by nerve cells or the oxygen supply.
The luciferin-luciferase chemical reaction has been used for years to measure the amount of ATP produced in cells and by various chemical reactions. Recently, the gene (section of DNA coding for the protein) for the luciferase enzyme has been isolated, placed in the genes of other organisms, and used to follow the synthesis and/or expression of other genes (i.e. used as a reporter gene).
Now if by some means Sasquatch is able to supply itself with enough luciferin and the reaction above took place .... he'd really be a scary dude at night or day.
I heard a debate a few years back where these creature were infact getting this supply from "poison ivy" ingestion.
I have never taken the time to find out what ingredients
"poison ivy" contains.
I as well as others in the woods have seen vines streched out on the ground ...stripped of berries and greenery. Deer also eat poison ivy so spectulation was the deer caused this findings of long vines layed out to ripen.
Me I don't know.
Robert
PegLegs said:
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The first thing that caught my eye was the absence of white around the pupil of the eye. For me this removed all the doubt about the patterson film being a hoax. Had it been a man in a monkey suit there would have been visible white in the eyes. I have also noticed the chimps and gorilla pics I have dont have white in thier eyes either.
Where was that really freaky photo of the supposed bigfoot behind the tree taken? I really want to know the story behind it. Is it a hoax??? Shocking looking actually, looks very real.
Rainy, do a web search on "myakka ape" (without the "s). Pic purportedly taken in Florida. Certainly looks like an orang. Believe Coleman did a comparison between the myakka ape pics and orang pics. You'll find this in your web search.
It looks like an orang, but the hair is black or brown instead of the usual red.
I heard a debate a few years back where these creature were infact getting this supply from "poison ivy" ingestion.
I have never taken the time to find out what ingredients
"poison ivy" contains- - Robert
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This is interesting Robert, I hadn't heard that one before. I have been to seminars where people suggesting eating poison ivy at a certain time early in its development to acquire immunity from it. Not me though.
I have never taken the time to find out what ingredients
"poison ivy" contains- - Robert
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This is interesting Robert, I hadn't heard that one before. I have been to seminars where people suggesting eating poison ivy at a certain time early in its development to acquire immunity from it. Not me though
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humans do not have a tapetum lucidum and do not have eye shine
According to my references, neither do monkeys or birds.
According to my references, neither do monkeys or birds.
QUOTE(paleoman @ Nov 23 2003, 12:51 AM)
here is eye shine!
Here is Photoshop and a stuffed and dyed orang!
(Barkasy, I hope you get the clap for that hoax.)
Uh Sosh? No eye shine? Tell the camera manufacturers they
no longer have to worry about redeye then.
Depends on the light and the viewing angle. By the way,
go check a great horned owl after dark. Shine a light at
him and you'll get eye shine.
no longer have to worry about redeye then.
Depends on the light and the viewing angle. By the way,
go check a great horned owl after dark. Shine a light at
him and you'll get eye shine.
QUOTE(Howlingmad @ Nov 26 2003, 12:09 AM)
Uh Sosh? No eye shine? Tell the camera manufacturers they
no longer have to worry about redeye then.
no longer have to worry about redeye then.
Eye shine, officially there or not, is pretty variable with people. Me, it’s not something I get a lot, but I’ve noticed the red eye camera affect a few times in photos of myself and once or twice in reflections--if I spend a long enough amount of time in front of a mirror in a dark room with a flashlight. (Boy, do I know how to have fun . . .
)But what was really neat, was seeing human eye shine, mine and a guy I was out with, with a camcorder using the near-visible IR. What was so interesting about this to me wasn’t the eye shine effect in general, it was that the guy’s eye shine was so much brighter than mine. . . . His vision at night is also better than mine, as a little side observation there.
Alicia
Maybe this madness/sleepwalking induced flashing red eye thing is the origin of the phrase 'seeing red' ??
Hard to think of an explanation though, other than some kind of reverse effect in the retina (ie. somehow the retina produces a flash of light, instead of receiving light as normal.)
Hard to think of an explanation though, other than some kind of reverse effect in the retina (ie. somehow the retina produces a flash of light, instead of receiving light as normal.)
Well....what I mean is that to see eye shine in humans you have to directly shine a light...a bright light, like a flash that goes into the eyeball and is reflected out. The red is a reflection of the blood vessels at the back of the eye. From the side this eye shine is not reflected which is why off camera flash helps eliminate eyeshine in humans...but not so in animals. When I photograph the tigers where I work their eyes reflect from the side angle also.
With owls it is the same thing...unless you shine a bright light directly into the eye you don't see the eyeshine...whereas with foxes, coyotes, cats and bigfoot...you see eyeshine even with dim light and ambient light and light not directly aimed at their eyes....it is different from the glowing effect that occurs.
I have tried off camera flash with the big cats at night and I still get eye shine...their eyes are just real sensitive...but owls it is different...you can not have eyeshine using a flash on them. Primates too.
With owls it is the same thing...unless you shine a bright light directly into the eye you don't see the eyeshine...whereas with foxes, coyotes, cats and bigfoot...you see eyeshine even with dim light and ambient light and light not directly aimed at their eyes....it is different from the glowing effect that occurs.
I have tried off camera flash with the big cats at night and I still get eye shine...their eyes are just real sensitive...but owls it is different...you can not have eyeshine using a flash on them. Primates too.
Ok, we're at the same spot, just looking at it from
different directions
To me eyeshine is just
reflected light bouncing out from the eye. The
light has to be brighter for this with some animals
(us) and not so bright with others (deer, coons, cats).
To beat redeye you actually use a two flash set up.
One flash a heart beat before the actual photo is taken
will usually cause the pupil to close down which helps
eliminate the reflection. When the second flash goes off
the reflection is minimal or hardly noticeable, but the
subject is still illuminated. That looks like how the owl
picture was taken.
I haven't seen eye shine where there wasn't a noticeable
light source present, but then again I'm not hanging out
with tigers after dark
Cheers
different directions
To me eyeshine is justreflected light bouncing out from the eye. The
light has to be brighter for this with some animals
(us) and not so bright with others (deer, coons, cats).
To beat redeye you actually use a two flash set up.
One flash a heart beat before the actual photo is taken
will usually cause the pupil to close down which helps
eliminate the reflection. When the second flash goes off
the reflection is minimal or hardly noticeable, but the
subject is still illuminated. That looks like how the owl
picture was taken.
I haven't seen eye shine where there wasn't a noticeable
light source present, but then again I'm not hanging out
with tigers after dark
Cheers
QUOTE(IceDragon @ Nov 26 2003, 12:22 AM)
But what was really neat, was seeing human eye shine, mine and a guy I was out with, with a camcorder using the near-visible IR. What was so interesting about this to me wasn’t the eye shine effect in general, it was that the guy’s eye shine was so much brighter than mine. . . . His vision at night is also better than mine, as a little side observation there.
Alicia
Alicia
Interesting observation Ice! Thanks...
So, could the reflection of IR light off Sasquatch eyes be similar to how black light posters glow so bright from UV light?
If the IR is there, it could reflect back and resemble a shine... even though we can see no perceivable light... and if it's there, maybe it's just IR from our own sun...
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Speaking of eyes read this latest sighting report off BFRO.
BFRO Sighting Report #7229
BFRO Sighting Report #7229
Uh, Leeloo, Goldbar is very close to us.
Did you realize that? Wanna take a road trip? Although after reading that, I'm not so sure I really want to. Howling, now with software and digital cameras, you can remove that red-eye yourself before you print the picture.
Yes Suz, but for the luddites and the pro's film still has to
be manipulated
I haven't bought a roll of film in nearly two years, although
I still own several cameras that use them.
be manipulated
I haven't bought a roll of film in nearly two years, although
I still own several cameras that use them.
You might recall from the earlier article posted about the time period the tapetum developed in several species. Over a hundred thousand years ago. It may be indeed possible that the sasquatch are an older human than us. And there have been many people who have seen the whites in the eyes of sasquatch. I don't know why so many people are so intent on labeling the sasquatch as monkeys. Their bodies are much more human than primate. So what if they have more hair. What if they didn't have hair? Would opinions change? Think about it.
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