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Drew
Bigfoot Encounters http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/argosy68.htm

LTC brought this to my attention, and I wanted to get the experts at BFF's explanation of this.
QUOTE( Ivan Sanderson Feb. 1968 Argosy)
This brought me up sharp, because I had by that time viewed their film (and half a dozen out-takes, blown up, in full color as transparencies, which I had examined under strong magnifying lenses on an illuminated shadow-box several times and projected by three different projectors). In every case, the creature was--at standard speed for photogs (twenty-four frames per sec) -as Roger said; at first the thing just ambling along, swinging her rather long arms, not running scared, and even stopping for a brief look-see over her shoulder as it were; then ambling on again into the deep woods ....Yet here was the back-up man saying that she had "taken off for the hills." Roger, however, backed up his back-up man unprompted.


A. When does Patty "Stop for a brief look-see"?

B. Is 24 Frames/second the proper viewing speed? I thought it was 16 fps can anyone clarify this?

Bill Munns? have you determined which speed is the correct one?
Paul1968UK
It wasn't 24fps - of that I am certain.

The camera has a rotary dial for the speed, with marks at 16, 24, 32, 48 and 64.

The rotary dial is very difficult to turn - it couldn't be changed by accident very easily, however the film will run at any speed between 16 and 24, and the camera has a 10% tollerance, so even set to 16, the film could run at 18fps, and in test, the same model has been shown to run as fast as 19fps.

hopeful
QUOTE(Drew @ Feb 5 2009, 08:39 AM) *
...A. When does Patty "Stop for a brief look-see"? ...


I never saw Patty stop at all, but I assume he is referring to the "look back" part of the film surrounding frame 352.
Bill
Drew:

"Bill Munns? have you determined which speed is the correct one?"

The tests I will be running with an actual K-100 camera are scheduled for the next few weeks, and i will be testing things at 16 fps and 24 fps settings. Might shed some light on this but I can't say yet.

I will be studying motion blur at both speeds, and that might give us a clue.
Bill
Drew
Thanks Bill.
In any of the stuff you have been scanning and/or archiving, have you seen anything resembling a "STOP and LOOK" on the part of Patty?
Bill
Drew:

"In any of the stuff you have been scanning and/or archiving, have you seen anything resembling a "STOP and LOOK" on the part of Patty?"

Just the usual "look back" at F 352 and the immediate before and after frames, but no "stop".

In other words, what i saw was essentially the same as the LMS footage, but true full frame throughout, not zoomed in.

Bill
Drew
Just to be clear for us non-film people.

the 16 or 24 FPS refers to Frames per second, not Feet per second right?
Bill
Drew:

"the 16 or 24 FPS refers to Frames per second, not Feet per second right?"

Technically (in the world in general), "fps" is both "frames per second" and "feet per second" depending on the context of the discussion. But if you are talking about film and movie cameras, "fps" is always "frames per second" We only talk about "footage" in terms of how much film is on a reel (measured in feet), how much remaining unexposed to film with, etc.

But all discussions of FPS in the PG Film debate are "frames per second", the camera speed for filming.

Bill
thickfoot
This article has several inconsistencies from other writings about what happened that day..the time mentioned being 3:30 when it was stated elsewhere it was more like 1:30..both men being thrown from their horses when Gimlin stated himself he was never thrown.. the heading for the hills I believe was alluded to in other articles but not meant to imply that that was actually caught on film..I thought I remember Gimlin stating that he never saw her run but I could be wrong about that..and of course the "stop dead" to look comment does not square at all but perhaps it was simple embellishment.
Tirademan
Another Sanderson take from the era...

tirademan

Paul1968UK
You need to appreciate that newspaper reporters rarely get the story right.

I have lost count of the number of times I have had some involvement in a story that has made the news only to have a newspaper write something completely different.

Here is a good example.... http://www.independent.ie/national-news/di...sis-103571.html

"Eoghan Casey from the US and Duncan Campbell, from Britain, are expected to determine how the illegal material was downloaded to the judge's computer. "

Neither of the two men referred to in this story (and about half a dozen others published by various newspapers) actually had anything to do with the case, I should know, since I was one of the two forensic examiners involved. After a while, you learn to stop banging your head against a brick wall and go with the flow.

Journalists make stuff up!
peregrine
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Feb 9 2009, 02:45 AM) *
You need to appreciate that newspaper reporters rarely get the story right.

I have lost count of the number of times I have had some involvement in a story that has made the news only to have a newspaper write something completely different.

Journalists make stuff up!

Do tell? Of course, that rule does not apply when the writer's are criticizing anything having to do with sasquatch research or researchers.
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