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Robert
I was thinking of doing some tree knocking while I am outin the deep woods hunting.

What do most people use, a wooden baseball bat, or a small log?

Also, what is the ideal type and size of tree to knock on? I was thinking a medium sized pine tree. All we have here in the Florida woods are pines and oaks, but you can't get any resonance out of an oak.
bipedalist
One thing I did learn on a BFRO outing from the master himself is that a good woodblock instrument percussion accessory for a drum set....does as well as
anything. Me personally, a T ball bat (sawed off) on a dried out section of 4 inch circumference small locust branch (oak will do in a pinch). What a racket that makes.
StacyInMI
A pick-axe handle works well too. biggrin.gif I'd try a short oak branch (2-3" diameter, ~3 ft. long) on a pine tree.
julio12
Robert
A nice heavy wooden bat works just nice or like Stacy suggested as well.Just do not knock to often and if you do not get a responce do not worry they might not be in the area .A nice size that echo good is ok i usually find me a heavy hard tree but any size tree just not a soft tree where it it is spongy.
norcal logger
At the risk of suffering the slings and arrows of the entire BF community, where did the idea that "wood knocks" are a BF phenomenon come from? Has anyone ever seen a BF beating a stick against a tree?

Just curious scratchhead.gif , Norcal
RedRatSnake
Hi

Actually i think that is a pretty good question, thumbup.gif

Peace
Tim smile.gif
norcal logger
QUOTE(RedRatSnake @ Jan 18 2009, 12:40 PM) *
Hi

Actually i think that is a pretty good question, thumbup.gif

Peace
Tim smile.gif


Thanks Tim, and I notice there's not exactly a huge response to that question yet. Credit for the question goes to someone else on the forum but I should ask permission before mentioning their name.

Have fun, Norcal
bipedalist
Well, I'm sold on the wood knock, in my research I used the same pattern for over six months. Never got a reply, then I camped in my area and low and behold in the general vicinity of my baiting station at night comes a patterned wood knock just like mine, never did I initiate that sequence that night. Don't need to be told the significance of that.
norcal logger
QUOTE(bipedalist @ Jan 18 2009, 01:37 PM) *
Well, I'm sold on the wood knock, in my research I used the same pattern for over six months. Never got a reply, then I camped in my area and low and behold in the general vicinity of my baiting station at night comes a patterned wood knock just like mine, never did I initiate that sequence that night. Don't need to be told the significance of that.


Thanks, Bipedalist. That's the sort of answer I was hoping to get. Norcal
Robert
Norcal,

I have heard and read in numerous references about wood knocks. I can't go into more details right now, as someone is breathing down my neck to use the computer. dry.gif
RiverRun
I've been trying to hunt down who associated woodknocks (and samurai chatter) with sasquatch. So far all I've found is references of people hearing the noises. I've not been able to find out who was the first to report that, or how it was associated with the phenomenon. I don't wood knock, or call blast. I listen, and look instead.

southernyahoo
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Jan 18 2009, 01:50 PM) *
I've been trying to hunt down who associated woodknocks (and samurai chatter) with sasquatch. So far all I've found is references of people hearing the noises. I've not been able to find out who was the first to report that, or how it was associated with the phenomenon. I don't wood knock, or call blast. I listen, and look instead.


I think if wood-knocking is directly associated with the bigfoot phenomenon, you wont find the first person that reported it, it would follow reports of the creature as far back as western civilization on this continent. Of-coarse the connection may not have been made by all that heard them.

SY.
SSLeithead
I just started wood knocks late this fall, I just look around for bat sized stick and start whackin trees. If the tree I'm hittin isnt loud enough I move to another.

Sometimes if I either cant find a limb or am bored with hittin trees I will find a couple of rocks and clack them together, both almost always get responses for me.

norcal,
I have read online that woodknocking is something commonly done by higher primates presumably as some type of comunication.

I just started hearing about woodknocks within the last couple of years. I was just thinking about this the other day and started looking through some of my older books and am not finding anything woodknock related.

Maybe this is a newer thing because of the internet and all the bf related websites? I dunno.

I know that when I start thumping on trees something thumps back.

Sammy
Bitter Monk
I have a nice little cedar limb that I purloined from some beavers the first time I went to Oklahoma. I like to carry it as a general use whacking stick but it makes a great tree knocker too.

Interesting side note... I accidentally left it in the woods once while camping. I went back to the same spot over two successive months and both times checked in the spot I knew I had left it in but to no avail. The third time I went back I found the stick laying on top of the leaf litter just as I imagined I had left it the first time. Perhaps the monkeys borrowed my knocking stick to do a little wood knocking of their own. evillaugh.gif
southernyahoo
I've heard wood knocks without provocation, and the team I work with has recorded so many in certain areas through out the night, there just isn't any doubt that there is something out there that does it. If humans were the culprit, they were extremely dedicated to simply making those sounds all night long, despite the fact that most of them would go unheard by people, if that was their intention.

SY.
RiverRun
QUOTE(SSLeithead @ Jan 18 2009, 05:48 PM) *
I just started wood knocks late this fall, I just look around for bat sized stick and start whackin trees. If the tree I'm hittin isnt loud enough I move to another.

Sometimes if I either cant find a limb or am bored with hittin trees I will find a couple of rocks and clack them together, both almost always get responses for me.

norcal,
I have read online that woodknocking is something commonly done by higher primates presumably as some type of comunication.

I just started hearing about woodknocks within the last couple of years. I was just thinking about this the other day and started looking through some of my older books and am not finding anything woodknock related.

Maybe this is a newer thing because of the internet and all the bf related websites? I dunno.

I know that when I start thumping on trees something thumps back.

Sammy



The only thing I've seen similar is chimps sometimes slap roots on trees with their hands to signal to get the attention of their pack around them. I've never heard of any primates (other than humans) smacking trees with sticks.
norcal logger
Thank you very much everyone, for all your great responses to my questions. I'm asking these questions in complete innocence and admittedly in ignorance also. I don't have a hidden agenda other than my daily life for over 30 years would be considered an "expedition" by many and I have seen, heard, smelled, felt and yes, even tasted so many things out in the wilds that are considered mysteries by most but by sheer exposure (and an incredible amount of natural curiousity), I have found answers to. I have, however, run into many things that I have no answer for.

With that being said, and understanding that we are posting from all over the country and in fact the world, are there any possible explanations for these wood knocks other than BF. Some examples would be other animals- deer, elk, moose antlers?; birds perhaps?; the wind knocking trees or tree parts against each other? Of course, as stated above, people?

If these wood knocks have been heard and an approximate direction and distance to this sound was registered, was anything found upon follow up investigation?

Were there any trees with damaged bark? Any footprints or possible footprints? Did you look up? Any uncommon tree growths or damage?

I'm just curious. If we eliminate all the knowns as best we can, it doesn't neccessarily mean that the result is BF, does It scratchhead.gif ?

I've said it before but I'll say it again, I very much believe that BF is a living, breathing N. American animal that if no where else, at least exists in N. CA.

Wide open to answers, thoughts and postulations, thanks, Norcal thumbup.gif
Rod
Wood Knocking...how do you do it?...well...I just bang my head on something....
bipedalist
I am told trees make creaks and groans from extreme cold, even snaps and pops. I haven't heard anything but wind caused strange noises from trees however. I know of nothing besides diurnal woodpeckers and flickers and other birds such as sapsuckers that knock wood, not at night though as much as I know about. My "one and only" wood knock response had no physical manifestations such as tracks, tree damage or anything I could determine associated with it. Other than it came from directly below me at night in a baiting station I had used for several months.
Of course, I've had tree crashes directed near me by some distance and couldn't find evidence of what caused them either.

edited to say while I wasn't looking I graduated to a second star from a Yowie to a Mountain Devil to fit my locale. How many more till skunkape Tim?
RedRatSnake
QUOTE(Rod @ Jan 18 2009, 08:09 PM) *
Wood Knocking...how do you do it?...well...I just bang my head on something....


Hi

Nothing like the sound of a hollow log resonating through the Forum

Peace
Tim new_lmaosmiley.gif
southernyahoo
Ok, I'll share another recording with you guys. We had caught some catfish out of the river and strung them up in a tree. We had a camera trap located about 10 yards away watching the catfish, and had an audio recorder located on the same tree as the camera trap and about 5 feet off the ground. The trap was set right next to a river bank and this was deep in a remote wooded area. We set the trap at about 8:20 pm at night ,left the area and didn't return until morning. The knocks occured at approximately 1:00 am. If someone has alternate explanations I'm all ears cool.gif

Click to view attachment

SY.
RedRatSnake
Hi

I turned that up pretty loud and fooled with the EQ a lot, They sound like cracks or breaks to me.

Peace
Tim thumbup.gif
imonacan
QUOTE(norcal logger @ Jan 18 2009, 12:31 PM) *
At the risk of suffering the slings and arrows of the entire BF community, where did the idea that "wood knocks" are a BF phenomenon come from? Has anyone ever seen a BF beating a stick against a tree?

Just curious scratchhead.gif , Norcal


Hi All,

Just thought I would jump into this interesting thread and add my opinions and humble experiences on wood knocking. My next two sentences might have already been said somewhere on this forum, or elsewhere in the BF community, so I will respectfully quote. " Wood knocking is a known form of communication used by primates ". " It has been heard in association with BF activity, and in some cases, BF sightings ".
I don't know of, or have not read of anyone actually seeing the creature rapping on a tree with a tree branch or rock.
I've personally experienced two wood knocking incidents in the last several years on my outings. The first time, before I ever associated wood knocking with possible BF activity, I clearly heard wood on wood "whacks" , within 100' (I estimate) of where I was sleeping in the back of my vehicle at 4AM, in the Adirondack Park. I heard what seemed like a response to the knocks, in a similar ....one.... and than quick two knock pattern, from a distance down in a boreal bog area. I listened for a while to the exchange, and then scrambled to get to my recording equipment in the back seat. The knocking stopped before I could make a recording, unfortunately. In the morning, I recorded a dawn song of birds, and had a close by Pileated Woodpecker drumming ...which left me thinking... could it have been that...in the dark ?. I walked down the footpath and into the bog to do some bird watching, and heard something crash through the trees and go up a hill into the woods on the east end of the bog. Whatever it was really make alot of noise and got out of the bog fast, as maybe I had startled it when I walked down. Maybe a moose or a big deer, or even a bear ? Scanning the area with binoculars, turned up nothing.
The second incident was last October (hundreds of miles away from the Adirondacks), at first light. This time I was set up, and did make a recording of more wood knocks, coming from several locations in a pine forested valley and creek area. Again, the sound was sharp whacks.... like wood on wood. Of note...myself and my camping partner were doing some wood knocking of our own, and owl calling, next to our campfire, around 5 hours before I made the recording. Strangely enough, there was a Pileated Woodpecker (again !) in the area.... a while later, that I saw at breakfast. This caused me to have to compare the recorded wood knocks to a recording I made of the drumming Pileated, and isolate the sounds with my audio editing software. The sounds were not really similar. I can say with certainty,after listening to the sounds many times, that the wood knocks were not made by the Pileated.
Can I say the wood knocks were made by a BF ? ......no, I can't be certain of that. I can only ponder what kind of a woodland critter can produce this kind of sound scratchhead.gif, and I've come up with nothing, yet . Something or someone with a set of hands, I'm thinking, that can grasp a piece of wood . Strange acting people running around a remote, thick, dark habitat, at night ?...unlikely, but still possible. Trees that make their own whacking or popping sounds, on a calm still night ?
I can say that the areas I heard the wood knocks are worthy of further research, which I did not do at the time, but am planning to return to and investigate, this season. Just my take on the topic....and I do plan on replying, should I hear it again.

Bill R.
hopeful
I recall reading a report about a year ago of someone witnessing a sasquatch hitting a tree with a stick in an attempt to make a coon fall out. Does anybody remember that report?

edit: Also, is there any particular pattern that should be used? Or does it matter that much?
SSLeithead
QUOTE(hopeful @ Jan 19 2009, 09:40 AM) *
I recall reading a report about a year ago of someone witnessing a sasquatch hitting a tree with a stick in an attempt to make a coon fall out. Does anybody remember that report?

edit: Also, is there any particular pattern that should be used? Or does it matter that much?



I havent noticed any type of patteren, but I just started too.

Anything from 1 to 7 is what I do and get back. It seems the closer ones (few hundred yards compaired to way up the mountain) are less times now that I think about it.

Almost like if it knocks too many times we would be able to locate it so it only hits once or twice at a time the closest ones anyway. The ones from far away get pretty exited like they just got a call from their long lost brother.

At least that was our take on it.

Sammy
southernyahoo
QUOTE(hopeful @ Jan 19 2009, 11:40 AM) *
I recall reading a report about a year ago of someone witnessing a sasquatch hitting a tree with a stick in an attempt to make a coon fall out. Does anybody remember that report?

edit: Also, is there any particular pattern that should be used? Or does it matter that much?


Come to think of it, I may have read that report, or one like it. scratchhead.gif . It may have been in the BFRO data base. Seems like I remeber that the Sas. did not notice the hunter/observer for some time while it was after the coon or the squirrel.

SY.
Ace!
This is my "experience" with wood knocks:

I got to the campground at approximately 7:30pm on Friday and fished the lake for 30 minutes and then set camp and ate dinner before 9:00pm. I did not have a fire, did not play the radio, and did not make any other noise or distraction. I went to bed in the back of my truck when it was quite dark and after approximately 30 minutes heard very audibly some wood knocks. The wood knocks were three or four in rapid succession and then again after a period of 30 seconds to one minute and then exactly the same but closer. This happened three times, with the last set of knocks very close to where I was camping. After 3 to 4 minutes a car entered the campground and something large ran through camp that I could hear through the brush and see a shadow-like image. I have no idea what it was, but probably a deer or bear. I watched the people set up camp and then approximately 20 minutes later another vehicle entered the campground and they did not set up camp, but slept in their car.

Could they have been some sort of bird or woodpecker, yes (and there are woodpeckers in this area). It was still strange because I've heard woodpeckers and this sounded like wood against wood, then the thing through camp. Could have been a deer, as this is an area for hunting deer. The fact the knocks moved closer to camp as the car approached, then something went through camp seemed very much like the "thing" made the knocks as it was keeping in front of and away from the vehicle.

If I were going to recreate the wood knocks, it'd be something wood against a tree trunk. No doubt about it.
hopeful
QUOTE(SSLeithead @ Jan 19 2009, 12:12 PM) *
... The ones from far away get pretty exited like they just got a call from their long lost brother.

At least that was our take on it.

Sammy

Can you just imagine their disappointment when they get close enough to realize what's going on? "Dang! Those freakin' HUMANS!" new_grrr.gif
joel
I had a similar experience last August.
I didn't know that sasquatch make wood knocks until I experienced it in the field
The wood knocks also seemed to accompany a growl that seemed like some sort of warning sound. I also found many large footprints sasquatch like in the area.
It was the unusual growl combined with the wood knock that lead me to believe that these were made by a north american ape.
The sounds I described in detail in a write up I later found in similar encounters on the internet. I'm convinced the wood knocking is sasquatch related
PEPPERSFARMS
PBS Clever Monkey good info ape communications.

PBS Clever Monkey

QUOTE
We all know the expression monkey see, monkey do. But should the saying really go monkey hear, monkey do? Recent studies are finding that the language abilities of some monkeys are more sophisticated than previously believed. Much more sophisticated.

Monkeys live together in social groups. All members contribute by helping to defend food sources, raise young, and watch for predators. But it is impossible to live in a social group without some form of communication. Group members need ways to influence and inform each other. This is what drives language. Monkeys have evolved many ways of communicating, including visual cues, auditory calls, and even some olfactory signals. Some of their visual signals are quite beautiful, like the long, curled tongue of the emperor tamarin, signaling to her mate when she wants to offload her babies. But visual signals only work if they can be seen. In the dense forest and underbrush that most primates live in, auditory cues are a much more powerful tool. Calls and vocalizations can also be modified in pitch, loudness, and duration, which means a vast array of messages can be transmitted. Alarm calls, territorial calls, food calls, personal identification calls, dominance calls — these are the basic messages that primates need to successfully live in groups. But some developed more complex and specialized forms of auditory communication. Some developed language.

No animals have all the aspects of human language, but several species have some. Diana monkeys, seen in Clever Monkeys, are some of the most clever monkeys when it comes to language. They combine calls to make sentence-like messages. This requires grammar. The meaning of the “sentence” depends on what sounds are included and in what order. Added sounds convey more information, like “maybe,” or “not urgent.” Each predator has an assigned call. The eagle call differs from the jaguar call, meaning Diana monkey language includes semantics: signals convey meaning and refer to features in the real world. And what’s more impressive is that the Diana monkeys can understand other species of monkeys. Putty-nosed guenons also combine calls, and their messages can be understood by the Diana monkeys. A remarkable example of multilingual primates is seen in Clever Monkeys, with eight different monkey species living together and listening to each other. With eight times as many eyes on the lookout, it’s much harder for predators to go unnoticed. Each of the eight species has at least 15 distinct calls — that’s 120 different sounds to remember. There aren’t many humans that speak eight different languages.

One of the most interesting aspects of human language is the ability to deceive. Some primates are capable of displacement, or the use of language to refer to things that are not present. Monkeys use both spatial displacement, referring to objects that are not present in that space, and temporal displacement, referring to objects that are not present at that time. The white-faced capuchin in Clever Monkeys that uses displacement to deceive his troop had to think abstractly about invisible objects. And he had to predict how others would respond. It takes impressive intelligence to tell a monkey lie.

It also takes impressive intelligence to live in very large groups of up to 800 individuals like the geladas of Ethiopia. Within the larger band, gelada males are chosen by females, and they live within harems of females. But staying on top of the social order takes a lot of maneuvering. Most importantly, being a dominant gelada requires a high level of social intelligence and an ability to use visual and auditory signals to communicate. Geladas have over thirty distinct vocalizations. These vocalizations can indicate social status, identity, alarm, friendliness, or submission. Grooming strengthens bonds between group members and brings overall stability to the family unit, but geladas spend most of their day shuffling from spot to spot, picking grass with their thumbs and index fingers. With little time to groom, “chatting” has become a substitute way to relieve tension. This is perhaps what our origins resembled, learning language as we moved across the plains.
iacozizzle
Report with knocking and raccoon observed --

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...mp;hl=whitehall
Spazmo
QUOTE(iacozizzle @ Apr 23 2009, 08:15 PM) *
Report with knocking and raccoon observed --

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...mp;hl=whitehall


I just read that entire thread...
IMPRESSIVE.

I wish I had jumped into the BF research a long time ago. I feel like I have way too much catching up to do.
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