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bipto
A couple of weeks ago I went up to northern MN to spend the weekend at the cabin with some family. While there, we had a strange little experience that I have related to the BFRO and the MN Bigfoot site. Here is almost exactly what I reported to them:

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Me, my mother, mother-in-law, and my wife and three year old son were sitting on a screened porch on the back of our cabin talking after the long drive up from the Twin Cities. My in-laws built this cabin about three years ago and we've spend many evenings out on the porch listening to the sounds of the forest.  

At about 9:00, during a pause in our conversation, we heard what sounded like a whistling call in the woods adjacent to the cabin. Approximately six up-down sets of notes (hard to describe a whistle in writing!). My mother-in-law, a devout bigfoot skeptic, was the first to comment that it was a sound she had never heard before and one that did not sound like a bird. She's usually quite observant of the local wildlife and keeps several books around the cabin to help identify new birds, etc. Her exact words were that it sounded more like a person than a bird. We sat quietly for a moment and heard it again. It sounded fairly close, but exactly how close would be impossible to say. It didn't sound as far away as the road (approximately 150 feet) or the neighbor’s cabin (approximately 250 feet). After the second call, we were commenting on how unusual it was and not at all bird-like when I heard a return call in the distance. The return call was identical to the closer version, but was perhaps a bit shorter (maybe only four up-down sets of notes). After discussing it later, I found out my wife also heard the return call. After a short while, we heard the whistle for a third and final time with no return call I could identify.

None of us have ever heard the whistle call before nor did we hear it again the following two nights we were at the cabin. We speculated that the whistling could have been the neighbor calling his dog in, but we later found out he was not home that weekend.

The following night was unusually quiet. We didn't hear any noises whatsoever, even from the wetlands to our east. Usually, we can hear ducks, loons, frogs, crickets, etc. We all commented on the unusual quietness of that night.

Also, our dogs were unusually reluctant to go on walks for the remainder of the weekend. Especially the older one who had to be dragged off the front porch and who continuously pulled back in the direction of the cabin.

I was waiting to post this until after I had a sense for what the BFRO was going to do with it. After speaking to the local BFRO guy this morning, I have a feeling the non-specific nature of the report will not warrant it a 'B' rating, which is fine. They're the experts, not me. MN Bigfoot did post it, however. All I can add to this is that I eventually did raise the possibility that it could have been bigfoot related to my mother-in-law. She adamantly refuses to accept bigfoot, but could offer no other explanation for the whistle. None of us who heard it thought it was a bird. I retrospect, however, that is the only other possibility as there were no people around to make the sound.

At this distance from the time of the report, I don't really know what to make of it anymore. I post it here to get all your reactions...
jimf
wow b.since I lived "up north"for so long I'm trying to think of animals that I have heard whistle.and can only come up wirh birds of varying sizes.from a sparrow to a crane.but I don't recall it ever being returned exactly in the same manner.I don't have the link handy but I remember a topic on the farshores site about BF as a whistler failing that being of help I'm pretty much out of ideas at the moment.sorry
Fishbone35
I've been trying to find a link with any whistling noises attributed to bigfoot myself. No luck on the 'net so far. The only thing I'm aware of is the Sierra Sounds Bigfoot Recordings. If you like, I'll make a .wav file and email it to you so you can try for a comparison. To be honest though, the whistling portion was pretty minimal.

I have read a few reports that speak of bigfoot whistling.

The answering whistle is what I find intriguing. It would be a sensible form of communication in that most people wouldn't even think to notice a quieter whistle while out in the woods.
jimf
heres the linkwww.100megsfree4.com/farshores/jg_aws.htmI wonder besides a whistle,if stey can make sounds into the sub-sonic range like the kind that only dogs and other animals can hear?that would explain alot about dog behavior an Bf.
Fishbone35
Interesting article, Jim.

The boy was sent to work in the backwoods near the New York state line. He took with him a gun and was told by his father to shoot at anything he might see except persons or cattle.

Sounds like the mentality of a lot of the yahoos we've got running around in my neck of the woods.
msfit32
Remember Jeff?

He said there was a low whistling coming from near them as they hiked and it got progressively louder until they all could hear it. (At first only he heard it).

But we must rule out any birds absolutely, maybe it was a type of bird that was migrating through the area and so was unfamiliar to your mom bipto....just to make sure all bases are covered icon_razz.gif .

I have read whistling mentioned in connection with bigfoot on many reports........WAY SPOOKY bipto icon_eek.gif !
bipto
Well, that's the rub, isn't it? I cannot, in all truthfulness, rule out a bird. All I can say is that it did not sound like a bird was making the sound but if it was a bird, it was not a bird any of us had heard before.

Jeff's report was the one I was thinking of, BTW. Thanks for remembering it for me!
Arkansan
Bipto, I have heard it said that bigfoot can make sounds sometimes that are similar to gibbons. Gibbons make whistling noises. I suggest listening to some gibbon whistles and try for a comparison there.

Here's one link: http://www.tiho-hannover.de/gibbons/main/sound.html

And another one with gibbon sounds: http://www.primate.wisc.edu/pin/vocals/apes.html
bipto
Actually, it did kind of sound like this one. Not exactly, but close...
jimf
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Actually, it did kind of sound like this one. Not exactly, but close...
hey bipto try this one it was recorded by Matt Moneymaker in ohio somewherekiwi.digitalrice.com/bf/BF/_sounds.htmI knew I heard a sound wav on the net somewhere similar to what was on the gibbon sounds but like it was vocalized by a larger creature.
jimf
great once agaim I can't get it to direct link icon_cry.gif its on the florida bigfoot site under sounds/scream.
bipto
Jim, the link doesn't work! Please try again!
jimf
I'm trying to to,I really really am :oops:try thiswww.bfro.net/AVEVID/MJM/OHsket.htmtowards the bottom of the page listed as scream.
Arkansan
Ummmm, in all honesty...(and I hate to question something at the BFRO...but) that scream recording just sounds too much like a barred owl to me! ohmy.gif

Boy now I'm in trouble icon_eek.gif !
msfit32
Yeah, whats up with the Barred Owl thing? I havent ever heard one in real life, but have heard them on TV they make some pretty crazy sounds and screams I gather.....I bet they freak people out alot.....
Arkansan
Yea MsFit, they do sound creepy sometimes. I have heard them. And the thing is, they have a variety of sounds, more so than most other owls. Their mating call is the spookiest sounding of all. I have been telling a researcher I know that her recording she has is of 2 barred owls making mating calls but so far, she just keeps calling the recording "primate-like sounds" and seems to want to think that, no matter what I say. Sometimes, people will just make something whatever they WANT it to be. :roll:
bipto
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Sometimes, people will just make something whatever they WANT it to be. :roll:

Which is a really nice way of telling me I heard a bird! :wink: smile.gif
Fishbone35
Wow Arkansan. Why not just cut him with a dull knife next time? ohmy.gif icon_razz.gif

Of course, Bipto could have very well heard the extremely rare and elusive Siminifreous Tubloidial Buttnoid which, to my understanding, is even rarer than bigfoot. icon_mrgreen.gif
RB
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Which is a really nice way of telling me I heard a bird!


But bipto, has your dog ever reacted that way to a bird before?

And Fishy, they're not as rare as you might think, I think I used to work with one of those! smile.gif
Fishbone35
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And Fishy, they're not as rare as you might think, I think I used to work with one of those!


Really? Small world. I work with one of those myself! :wink: biggrin.gif
bipto
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But bipto, has your dog ever reacted that way to a bird before?

No, he hasn't. And there was also the abnormally quiet night that followed. Circumstantially, it all sounds good, but I'd be hard pressed to make someone like me think I heard something other than a bird - especially when you ask me to imitate it and it sounds like a bird call!

All I know is it did not sound like a bird that night. It sounded like a whistle (perhaps imitating a bird). Does that make it bigfoot? No. If it were me, I'd tell me it was a pretty thin report. But I don't talk to myself in that kind of detail.

How was that? Good! It was good. Would have been better if you weren't rushing. Oh. I'll keep that in mind next time, thanks. Don't mention it...
Arkansan
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Which is a really nice way of telling me I heard a bird! :wink:  :)


No...no...no...bipto, not saying you heard a bird!
Not even implying it! I couldn't be any more of a critic to you than I am sure you have been to yourself already. Just like me, I am sure you have been over all the maybes and what ifs already in your own mind before you even brought it to our attention. smile.gif

I just mean that someone I know who is a researcher has a recording that I have heard and keeps claiming she has primate-type sounds recorded, when I have heard the recording twice now and it is almost identical to a recording I have of 2 barred owls.

They aren't whistles at all either, Bipto, they are whoop sounds. icon_razz.gif
I think it lends more to your whistle sounds because of the strange quiet and the dogs reacting the way they did.
RB
Hey Arkansan, the escape pod is over here! Hurry, or I'm gonna jetison without ya"! laugh.gif
Arkansan
Please don't leave me here with Senor Bipto! icon_eek.gif
jimf
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Ummmm, in all honesty...(and I hate to question something at the BFRO...but) that scream recording just sounds too much like a barred owl to me! ohmy.gif
Why Arky?isn't that what a good investigator is supposed to do?question everything?even our or others conclusions?(sorry but sometimes I just gotta play devils advocate new_evil.gif )Bipto what I've come to terms with and I think alot of people have(maybe I'm talking out my @ss here)only we can make the decision on what we've seen or heard.sometimes it takes a day sometimes years or more,but its the fact that all of us here keep open minds about the posibbilities and what ifs?that makes this such a great place/group.some who've had sightings here know what they saw.some (like me)may never really know.but alot of times its the questions that keep us going.if I absolutely knew everything what would be the point?wheres the challenge.only you can decide what you did/didn't hear out there.
bipto
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only you can decide what you did/didn't hear out there.

Cool. I've decided it was a guy in a clown suit calling for his pet iguana! He had orange hair and a big red nose! icon_razz.gif

Sorry. It's late and I'm very tired...
jimf
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Cool. I've decided it was a guy in a clown suit calling for his pet iguana! He had orange hair and a big red nose! icon_razz.gif
wouldn't that be a honking sound instead of a whistle? laugh.gif
bipto
Ya know, jim, the more I think about it, the more I think it was more of a honking sound! icon_clown_v2.gif
Arkansan
Hey no fair, where did you get the clown face??? You aren't sharing all the emoticons with us are you??? icon_mad.gif
Arkansan
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Why Arky?isn't that what a good investigator is supposed to do?question everything?even our or others conclusions?

You are absolutely right Jim and I normally do. I just hate debates as they tend to not get us anywhere, but I will usually tell someone I disagree with them (no need to tell anyone here that icon_razz.gif ).
But I was thinking how Rob and I didn't get the best start on the forum with my questioning his sighting like that and I didn't want to sound like I am picking on the BFRO now! sad.gif

And if I recall, wasn't that recording taken by the Matt Moneymaker himself?? icon_eek.gif
Fishbone35
Hey! No fair, Bipto!!! Smilie hoarder!!!
bipto
Go here:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=3825 icon_cyclops.gif
jimf
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And if I recall, wasn't that recording taken by the Matt Moneymaker himself?? icon_eek.gif
Off the top of my head I'd say yes,Matt or a guy named Rich Lamonica in Ohio who then turned it over to Matt. icon_confused.gif
RobUstes
Its Matts recording. There are sublte things that differ from barred owls, also the circumstances surrounding the recording .
Arkansan
Well please tell me more...what are they??? I'd be very interested in hearing them! smile.gif
jimf
so would I.since I've only heard a B.owl 2 or 3 times(hmmm. theres a conundrum what if it really was a BF and I assumed it was an owl? icon_eek.gif )Hey rob,was it the one from ohio in '94 that I'm thinking of?I found several older BF books in a used bookstore today and started reading "on the track of bigfoot" by Marian Place it had several accounts that said whistling was heard in conjunctionwith Bf sightings again hmmm...?
msfit32
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guy named Rich Lamonica in Ohio


Oh no!!!! I have been meaning to discuss that one....that is the site where the guy (who seems like a perfectly nice dude 8) ) "recorded" a "bigfoot" chanting in some Indian dialect? Oh, and his friend saw visions of angels and fire that same night??? My head was spinnin' after reading that..... (note to smiley constructors: we need a smiley with a tornado spinnin' round it for me to put here)

It was bizarre and WEIRD farfetched for me to believe.... :roll:
jimf
i don't know Msfit,I don't think that was the one not sure though icon_confused.gif (now you've got me wondering where to fond that laugh.gif )
msfit32
Ummmm...NOKRA or NORKA.....Northern Ohio Kryptid Research Organization? Something like that I think..... icon_confused.gif

Found it biggrin.gif :

http://www.geocities.com/saqatchr/
bipto
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Oh no!!!!  I have been meaning to discuss that one....that is the site where the guy (who seems like a perfectly nice dude 8) ) "recorded" a "bigfoot" chanting in some Indian dialect?  Oh, and his friend saw visions of angels and fire that same night???  My head was spinnin' after reading that.....

No, no, no, no. You don't get to have 'visions' and report a bigfoot sighting at the same time. Nope, that's not cat.
msfit32
laugh.gif Well, what was really bugging me was the recording....has anyone listened to it? Supposedly translated as "we are watching" in ancient Indain dialect....so what do you all think...

DOES BIGFOOT SPEAK IN HUMAN LANGUAGE??????

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Msfit thinks this is getting really weird........ :roll:

But who knows I guess.... :roll:
Fishbone35
I've listened to it several times and...the jury's still out. I won't say it's not a bigfoot but I won't say it was an ancient Indian dialect either.

One thing for sure, I'd buy it much more quickly if the translation had come back as "What the hell is this thing?" as opposed to "They (or we) are watching." (Since it reportedly handled the tape recorder(s))

And the vision deal? 'Shrooms, baby. 'Shrooms. :wink:
RobUstes
*Ahem*
All i can say is : both of those recordings are authentic. I have this from a high source, very reliable.

There are many reports of the sasquatch "gibberish" language, or speaking a word or three of english ... this stands to reason . If they watch, listen to us, and being the great mimics they are, they may have put the corallation between saying a specific word to a human reaction .. for instance, "HEY!" is probably the word they hear the most, and there is a report of one bluff charging, saying "hey, hey . hey" ! How many times have you seen something strange, and said "HEY!" and the people you are with, turn and look at what your looking at ?

The barred owl calls i have heard, vary by pitch, tone, duration and inflections to the ohio screams. Sassi may be great mimics, but they arent all that great :wink:

And yes, whistles are a common means of communication among sasquatch. High pitch, low pitch, long drawn out ones, short crisp ones, chirpy ones ... the whole gamut of whistles. *remembering that island in the medditerrainian sea, where the locals call each other over the hilltops by whistleing*

I dont buy the "vision" bullsh*t. The report i read and the people i have talked to regarding the "We are being watched" (Rich L's) recording, never mentioned the visions ... i think that may have been thrown in the pot by somebody to sensationalize an already sensational incident. And even if it were true, . a vision doesnt get recorded onto an audio cassette :wink:
Fishbone35
I wasn't doubting the authenticity of the recordings but I can't help but wonder about the ancient Indian dialect. Like you said Rob, a bigfoot hearing human speech could probably very well imitate it but for a squatch to be speaking in an ancient (and most likely dead) dialect would seem to imply speech among the species. Otherwise, how would this particular squatch ever have learned those words.

As Alice would say, "Curiouser and curiouser." smile.gif
Arkansan
*Ahem*

Sorry I don't buy the vision either and I also don't buy the ancient dialect among bigfoot. I know we don't know all there is to know about them yet, but that is going to take a little more convincing...how about some solid concrete evidence like actually seeing one making the noises? Only then will we be sure. Most reports have them grunting, screaming, howling, whistling, or whooping. These sound like typical animal vocalizations. I do think they can perhaps imitate other animals and might have the capacity to have picked up a few English words from hearing them so many times.

I don't believe a bigfoot would pick up a tape recorder and say "We are watching" into it! LOL...After all this time of hiding from us, they are suddenly going to tell us they are watching?

I have a recording of a barred owl that is quite similar to the recording Matt made. I am still wondering what makes his recording different? I am not saying it isn't an authentic sasquatch scream, but I would be interested in knowing how you can tell the difference. What circumstances lead you to believe it isn't a barred owl? There is a barred owl in the recording. The website says the scream is followed by a barred owl call. Well barred owls make that exact scream and end it with the same call that is referred to as a barred owl call on the BFRO website. So what circumstances are behind it? Help me to understand... smile.gif
msfit32
Rich's site details the "vision" by the friend somewhere.....

Question: The dude (Rich's friend he was camping with) didn't show up at the campsite until after midnight.....a recording was made sometime after Rich went to bed.....could the friend with the "visions" have made the recording? Yes. I don't know if he did, but that is a much more likely explanation to me than bigfoot coming into a persons camp, picking up a tape recorder, speaking "we are watching" into said recorder in an ancient Indian dialect and then quietly leaving.....no other proof whatsoever....if it was me camping, the last thing I would think of if this happened to me is "it was a bigfoot"....no I would think it was a prankster...but Rich went camping looking for a bigfoot and coincidentally had this happen....If you look for something hard enough, you will find it if you really try....such as "bigfoot" blobs in photos and such... :roll:

Hope this causes no offense....just my thoughts icon_redface.gif
RobUstes
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I can't help but wonder about the ancient Indian dialect.

Let me add something .... the "experts" who listened to the original recording, and the native american linguist they took it to, stated that it sounded "simular" to an ancient dialect, not that it "was" a now defunct language. I also remember someone (?) stating that when they ran it thru an ocillascope kinda thing, it was deeper sound waves than a human (read: normal human) could produce.

Some people who have heard it, swear its saying "no time for .. visit" .

I guess it boils down to what your willing to believe.

Arkan, i wish i could descibe in detail, the subtle differences i can hear in the Ohio scream ... so, when i can think of the words, i'll write them to ya smile.gif
Arkansan
If there are subtle differences Rob, I can't hear them. sad.gif
jimf
I started reading some of the older books again and am actually suprised at how many reports have screeching or whistling sounds attributed to them.I counted 3 reports in the first two chapters alone of "on the track of BF" and many more that I started noticing after surfing around.
RB
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