If the Patterson / Gimlin footage was for whatever reason proven beyond doubt to be a fake, how would this affect your belief in the existence of Bigfoot ?

Clearly this is aimed at those that haven't had a sighting or experience of their own, but it seems to me so many beliefs hinge on the PGF, Dr Jeff Meldrum especially uses the PGF as a point of reference in the majority of the interviews and documentaries I have seen him in, which always makes me wonder if it was proven 100% to be a hoax how would this impact on peoples beliefs and arguments for the creatures existence.

It would mean nothing to me, as I already believe it's a fake.

I already lean toward the PGF being fake, so it wouldn't matter much.

I do not believe nor disbelieve in the existence of Bigfoot. I consider it possible that BF exists and I think the Patterson film is very compelling and seems more likely genuine than not. I do not know how anyone can say with certainty it is a fake. I do however think that the Patterson film is the best evidence that it either exists or did exist at least in 1967. So if it were shown beyond any doubt it was a fake I would lose much interest in this subject.

While the PGF film is quite an interesting piece of film footage to look at, and I lean towards it is real but not 100%, it would not sway my belief that bigfoot/sasquatch is a real animal if it were proven to be a hoax. Honestly there has been so much controversy about this one piece of film that to me anymore it would not matter either way what happened with it. I think there are too many other sightings and stories from history for it not to be. I have never seen one though have had a few not quite sure encounters. I truly do believe that in time this animal will be proven to be real through science and not a grainy piece of film footage.

I can go either way, maybe more real, but I would'nt fall into a manic depressive state if proven fake.

Wouldn't faze me a bit. My realisation of BFs existance came from the MMF and some other info that is copyrighted.

If the PG was proven fake though... somebodies got some real splainin' to do!

If the PGF was proven a fake?

Then I would think the $500,000 we spent
producing this report was not worth it:

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The initial settling of the news of it being fake would be a bit of a hard pill to swallow, but in the end, it does not explain away the hundreds if not thousands of other credible sightings NOT caught on film.

There's no question in my mind whatsoever that what Patterson filmed was real. The ultimate resolution of whether it was real, or not, would not alter my belief that BF exists and walks the forest of this continent.

I sit on the side of the Fence that the Film is real but for me the question wouldn't be " if " it was proved as fake but " how " it would be proved as fake..

We've had enough Technology in the last 10 Years or so to blow this Film out of the Water & it hasn't happened, that for me in itself makes me sit on the side of the fence that i do sit on & i don't think it will ever be proven to be fake for the simple reason that it isn't fake, because my eyes see an Animal in that Film Footage & i've watched it hundreds of times, & i'm as sure as sure can be on that & also the research results " for " the footage ( & the plain & simple fact thtat it hasn't been proven a fake/hoax ) that has been done on it up to this point in time, back that up...

Ah...

Has this question been flogged to death?

Well, I suppose it's time to run down the old, old standard logic routine...

The Bigfoot Phenomenon exists: which consists of people saying they saw a hairy giant and coming up with track casts, hair samples, recordings, footage, etc.

oh yeah, scat samples... I almost left those out

There are four, and only four possible origins for the Bigfoot Phenomenon.
1) Hoax
2) Misidentified Bear
3) Mass hallucination/wishful thinking
4) Observations of an uncatalogued animal

The existence of the Patterson film narrows the problem space...

The Patterson film is either a guy in a gorilla suit, or an observation of an unknown animal...

it is not a bear or a hallucination, so whether the Patterson film is a hoax or not, the fact that it exists
narrows the cause of the Bigfoot Phenomenon to being a hoax or not... (In this specific case)

Of course, we know that the Bigfoot Phenomenon likely consists of a superposition of many origins.

So, if it's proven to be a guy in a gorilla suit, then it's a hoax, and one can narrow the problem space down further..
to... It's a hoax! However, having tried to do that... I can say I was unable to prove it was a hoax. I don't think anyone else will either... I had a lot of $$ to throw at the problem... and good people...
So, If you prove to me it's a guy in a gorilla suit, I'll just keep looking for the origin of all the other examples of the bigfoot phenomenon I know of... having checked that one off.

If the Patterson Gimlin Film was proven to be a fake I guess we'd just have to set about making a real Patterson Gimlin Film. Kind of a hyper real PGF. You know the PGF with all the nobs turned up to 11. Sure the first Patterson Gimlin wasn't the real Patterson Gimlin Film it was the fake Patterson Gimlin film in spite of it being THE Patterson Gimlin film. The real Patterson Gimlin Film was just too amazing to be confined to the cinamatic experties of Roger and his K-100. So now with 40+ years of improvements in technology we can make the PGF the way it always should have been made. Yes indeed the bionic Patterson Gimlin Film. Faster, brighter, steadier, and super ultra real. Hmmm I wonder what Lee Majors is doing these days.

500K for a report? Yikes!

And well worth it I'll bet!

Guess I better read it... and I will...

Makes the bucks I spend to stay out in the field seem like peanuts...

But the value of watching Bob Gimlin's eyes as he recounts the events of that day...

For me... priceless...


Bob Strain
Self-appointed President of the Bob Gimlin Fan Club

Meacham:

"If the PGF was proven a fake?

Then I would think the $500,000 we spent
producing this report was not worth it:"

Can I ask who put up the money?

Bill

All too true Crow, however with all this 40 year plus of improved Technology you talk about, we still just can't manage to debunk the " REAL " PGF can we ??

Thanks for posting this link, there is a mass of data here that will take a long time to digest. I'm surprised I haven't come across this report before. I admire you dedication and personal commitment.

The report makes frequent mention of understanding the phenomenon in terms of a collective unconscious and universal archetypes. Good to see, I often feel that I'm the only one beating that particular drum around here.

Meacham I also remember the Manitoba, "Peter" story of him shooting the Sasquatch in Canada after he had been
trailing a wounded Moose, and "it" appeared to be the backside of a Moose I believe as he took the shot. So I guess
we need to add "Misidentified Big Game" instead of "MB" or add a fifth "MM"
(thats Misidentified Moose btw)

Speaking of Misidentified Moose... Mice... Meeses... whatever...

Can you identify this guy?

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Awww crud... it's got his name right there... never mind...

Ahhhhhhhhm, that would be a BM for sure RB. Ha ha o............r a IM or IBG wait a minute four was nice this is ridiculous Click to view attachment
Might I suggest Ms. Hairy Man consider a special Christmas present for you next year.....
http://www.zazzle.com/fiery_smiley_shirt-235541966994629615

ah yes... you have no idea, I'm just sticking my toe in the water around here...
I really don't think I can handle it more often. All of us walked away from the bigfoot community in 1998.

I'm just stopping by every few days... yes, there is a mass of data here... yes...
I believe our friend Mr. uberskeptic Ray G has this on his site?

I have stayed away from the fray for a decade, no one represents the school of thought I represent in any of these forums. This bigfoot stuff is a curse that has kept following me around, I disavowed all this stuff, only to see that I was permanently marked by it. People have never stopped asking me about it. I can understand, but it's only now that I'm dealing with it. If people are going to keep asking me, maybe one day I'll actually tell them what I think.

ER... as to the money, see, in my time, we had a reclusive multimillionaire backer dude... the money came through the Academy of Applied Science, administered Robert Rines, if you know that name? Mr. Loch Ness? The actual rich guy backer wanted his name kept out of it. He was a guy who was a member of the Explorers Club out of NY. Back in the day, I had to fight off legions of people who wanted to know who this guy was. I think that my life was once inspirational to MM, who of course I've had many falling outs with. Many of your favorite researchers hit me up for money, and I didn't vote to give all of them money, which has led to some bad feelings to this day.

So, I can't bring his name into the scrum ten years later. He went into politics, so he really doesn't want anyone to associate him with this stuff today. It's ancient history, there's plenty of fresh meat!



I like that... MBG instead of MB... dang there's always an exception, isn't there...?

I would agree with this statement except that while I do not think you can prove it's fake, neither can you prove it's real. I think without it, unless you have seen the creature, there is not much compelling evidence to convince people that Bigfoot exists.

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....I think without it, unless you have seen the creature, there is not much compelling evidence to convince people that Bigfoot exists.

Besides personal encounters, which is usually only compelling to the person that had it, what other compelling evidence are you referring to ?

I don't see where this film is compelling to anyone, who doesn't already have some reason to believe the creature exists.

I said there is not much.

I disagree on the film. To me that looks like a real animal. But since in over 40 years no one else has come up with anything else nearly as good I believe that film is a fake or the creatures are gone.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong tho.

The film is very compelling to me and I am sure to many others. Like I stated..I do not "believe" that bigfoot exists. I do not know enough to have that type of faith. If I had seen one I would "know" and even if someone I knew personally that I had the utmost regard for told me they saw one I would probably still question it because the majority of evidence points toward it not being there.

Having someone I trusted telling me they saw one would make a big difference to me. But it would have to be someone like my best friend.