A few years back I went to the cinema and watched the latest version of King Kong and said to this 'red hot babe' who was hanging off my arm.. ....anyways....I said to her, thats how I reckon Bigfoot would end up if one was dragged in......What do you people think?

Well if you watched the very latest version then bigfoot would be battling a couple of T-Rex before climbing the Empire State Building and swatting down a couple of biplanes. All to end up dying in a hail of maching gun fire and a fall from the top.

No I don't think bigfoot would end up like this, but would he end up on display somewhere? That would depend on who actually found it in my opinion.

I'll tell you though Rod you have started some very imaginative topics. There is never a dull moment.

Well, I reckon you gotta keep it interesting and abit of humour never hurt anyone....otherwise we'll end up like the 'other' mob and take ourselves seriously, fall for anything and lose perspective.......Every now and then I remind myself, what we are actually talking about and what some of us are claiming........

Hate to think it, but my opinion is that the top scientific institutions of the world would squabble and fight over it like a pack of hyenas, picking it apart until it died. Then they would squabble and fight over its corpse until small chunks of its flesh were spread the world over, stored in small vials on lab shelves. Then they would all write important articles and studies about it, trying to push themselves to the top of the scientific heap, so they can get awards and feel important.
sorry to be so morbid, just my opinion.

It depends what laws were in place in what state or what country. Also would depend on how BF would be classified. It seems like the academic community would seize the BF before the circus sideshow got too out of hand.

Well, thats exactly what we did to the Last Tasmanian Aborigines........I mean it....that's what we did....bits and pieces of them here and there, all over the world..........graves robbed....skeletons stolen from museums.....heads taken from corpses.......you name, we did it to the Last Tasmanians....

Wouldn't it be fun to watch the internal race within the academics, between having to admit they were wrong and their own greed as they positioned themselves for grant money on a subject they deemed unworthy and openly scoffed at?

Who would be the deciding body that would decide the 'who, what, when, where, and for how long' in terms of access to a captured BF, living or dead?

I've got a pretty good idea who'd want to see it.

That would be everybody, but who, in particular, are you reffering to? Yourself?

I said a mouthful there. While I'm sure some would be terrified of seeing it, my colleagues would sh*t themselves at the opportunity to study a live one. I'm willing to put my PhD papers through a shredder if the government did not intervene and confiscate it should it come into the possession of a private individual. There's no conspiracy here, information would be made available to the public and you'd have your NGO's allowed access to it, I'm saying you wouldn't be seeing it in the carnival circuit - believe me.

I'm willing to bet a spike in gun sales would be seen as well. You'd also have everyone from Peter to PETA insisting upon its release. It won't be pretty but ultimately, unless you can find more to observe in the wild, the first live specimen will die in captivity. That's just the way it is, that's not conjecture. It won't be a Harry and the Henderson's ending.

What are NGO's? Look what some idiot put up on the Texas Conference thread! Can you beleive it?

What are NGO's?
NGO = Non-governmental organization.

Look what some idiot put up on the Texas Conference thread!
I was wondering which post you were talking about until I got to the last post. It'll be taken down.

Can you beleive it?
Actually, yes. But I know that is rhetorical. Some people have nothing better to do with their lives.

Has this type of thing ever happened here before, do you know?

You mean on the other thread with "human anatomy 101"? Not that I have seen at least. I'm sure a mod could better answer your question. That person and IP will be banned forever, just wait and see. I forget there are minors on the board and try not to drop the F-bomb...but that is a little more substantiated in that sense. It has been reported.

Edit: Just to say it's gone now.

I would sincerely hope that modern science is more conscientous and practical than exhibited in past endeavors. How long ago was the episode mentioned in your post? Surely a discovery of the magnitude of a creature like the BF would compel scientists, conservationists, govt officials, and those who have diligently conducted their own studies outside the realm of standard scientific theory concerning the BF would all join together in establishing a set of guidelines and ethics to study and preserve this new species? That would be in a perfect world, but it would IMO be the single most incredible find in the history of anthropology and probably open entirely new and unevaluated approaches to such things as the evolution of primates, conservation of our forests and ecosystems, and related subjects.

The definate proof of a BF sharing our planet should be a real humdinger and once it is made public, I would guess that the outcry from people and scientists in general would be enough to generate a serious and considerate effort in studying them. Some of the public would sincerely wish they be treated with respect while others may just want science to hurry up and get the lowdown on BF just in case these things pose a danger to them. And yes, I agree scientists and researchers all over the world will be foaming at the mouth, so to speak, to get their own specimen to study. Historically, as pointed out by Rod, discoveries in times past have been dealt with in very disconcerting ways and often prejidicial concerns, current\local spiritual beliefs, and common disagreements between scientific groups have greatly influenced both the way the research was conducted and the end results. Perhaps this is where some of the life long BF believers, BF researchers, and others who have stuck their necks out over the years will have to play a part in speaking out on behalf of the BF?

I agree.

Did I miss a Nudie picture?.............as for bigfoot, I'm not so hopeful....finders keepers...it'll go all the way to the courts......cause there $$$$ involved...

If Bigfoot was found, really found and not a dog and pony show like the GA hoax, there would be I think an insistance by the scientific community to study at the very least the DNA. If it was the real deal it would be in the best interest of the owner/finder to allow bonfied scientific study which would allow a proper documentationod of what exactly the thing is that they have. Without documentation even if there is a body in captivity it'll be next to worthless. For the thing to become valuable it'll require certification which in the process will ultimately release the informatin to the world at large. There have been one too many Bigfoot in the freezer and the world has had its fill of that nonesense.The real money won't come from having or even selling the body, It'll come from the lecture circuit, book and movie rights.

Cops and Game Wardens would decide if it is person or an animal. If it's human then it's classified as Native American and has rights. If it's an animal then it probably subject to Exotic Pet Laws.

hey everyone gm wow very interesting new thread indeed. if a sasquatch was ever found alive i would like the right kind researchers study the unclassified primate without killing it or giving it media. thanks bill

I really haven't thought about the impact of that GA debacle and how it may effect a real discovery in the future. Without walking up holding a breathing BF by the hand (or paw?) it is now probably going to take some convincing just to get anyone's attention. I missed out on all the hoopla but have since read up on the event and realize it goes without saying that those involved with this didn't do those that seriously research this matter any favors. I still haven't fully grasped where and when Biscardi realized the whole thing was a hoax.

Let's do a hypothetical here and say an undocumented and new primate in North America had been captured live. Given the sheer number of report dating thousands of years ago to yesterday it would "soften" the blow to the minds of individuals who had been previously following the subject. You would have the individuals who have had eyewitness encounters have the "I told you so" attitude to the disbelievers, however you would see an overflow of new reports - sightings/experiences that are completely made up to those who genuinely feel they had a "Bigfoot experience."

The scientific community would be in quite a hurry to find the best of the best primatologists and zoologists to try to keep the specimen alive for as long as possible. While certain animals do seem to thrive in captivity when their natural threats of the wilderness have been removed (longevity increased exponentially), some die very quickly. Clearly there would be no way of knowing for certain whether it would thrive or die. Remember that human illness can and does affect certain non-human primates and vice versa, there would be a definite quarantine of the creature and those studying it would initially "gear up" so as to not introduce any foreign biological or viral elements - this would be a very serious concern for people from other countries should they be taking part in the initial study.

In this hypothetical I personally wouldn't give a damn as far as new hoaxes are concerned so long as they do not hamper the documentation and study. The area in which it was captured would be shut down to the public before you could say "Georgia." As often the case in nature where there is one there are more.

The one major negative to all of this would be that Bigfoot researchers, those who do not have the papers to warrant a position in the study, would be told to stand in line. It would be a frustrating moment for those who have dedicated their lives to the existence of Bigfoot to be told they are not needed. But the flip side of that is just how many people can be a part of the initial study and documentation? It will be the best and brightest as far as science is concerned.



Did I miss a Nudie picture?
More than one.

as for bigfoot, I'm not so hopeful....finders keepers
I disagree completely, much of my reasoning above. Finders keepers doesn't work with stray dogs and cats in some jurisdictions let alone a primate with a measurable IQ.

it'll go all the way to the courts......cause there $$$$ involved...
The person who captures one will be the one to make serious coin They won't get the opportunity to shake hands with their catch once the government is involved.

Agreed. However it will be taken by force if necessary should John/Jane Doe decide "No, it's mine!" - think even to recent news when that guy shot a cougar which was listed as "protected" and the stir that caused. He wasn't allowed to keep a whisker.

You are correct, the money won't come from the possession of the body. The person who captures one need not worry about their retirement savings. They should not expect further access.



It will go above Local, State/Provincial. It will be a Federal issue.

I think one would be put on a freak show for the world to see and perhaps smell too.. sad..

I am very cynical when it comes to people, exploitation and $money$.....put them all together and you got a 'sh*tfight'.........so.........based on this hypothesis.....lawyers would be involved....bigfoot would be hidden away somewhere by the finders, until they know the what, who and where......some of you guys seem pretty niave to me......If I had just found bigfoot after reading this post, I would hide the bugger away, make a big hoopla....make a video of him, take hair, saliva, blood(if possible)....give it to experts to analyse and say.....start the bidding........or wait till the court verdict with the highest paid lawyers I could find....tell them, you win this for me and you get 20% of $plenty$....including book and doco and film rights..................fight to the supreme court and if that fails fight to the ultra-supreme court.....and if that fails...do a runner and sell him to a $billionaire$ on the blackmarket..............whilst this is all going on bigfoot is either miserable and fretting away or already dead.......worst case, sell the dead body on the blackmarket.....or just give it to science, because by that time, you would of made a $mint$ anyway................now, in today's $$$$world$$$$$, this is what most likely would happen?????......sh*t, it does anyway....blackmarket trade in wildlife is 2nd to the drug-trade in illegal$$$$ being made......we are talking $billions of dollars a year....

Eventually, it would wind up stuffed in a museum, but the thought of the black market trade is sickning

You said it, wickie. Slip on down to your favorite black market macumba shop and have the zombie behind the counter grind up any BF ossature bone that strikes your fancy and get your mojo on. Love potion #9 ain't got nuthin' on this baby! Yahhh... instant hair replacement; banish sexual disfunction forever; grow astounding power muscles (get that 6-pack back, Jack!); or cast a giant of a spell and instantly gratify any other outrageous dream you may care to entertain in your detached pose of westernized comfort. Ya, so? It's only some dumb animal, after all. It's gotta be good for sumthin'.

Sheesh. Proud to be human...

Dudlow

Dude, that's hardcore...but true

Dudlow, you just described beautifully the attitude and the reality of what happens in the illegal wildlife trade.......so why would bigfoot be any different.......laws are made to be broken.......and imagine the demand......

It's well known that for better than a half a century after "discovery" all gorillas brought back to "civilization" alive died in captivity in short order.

I doubt the first few sasquatches would fare much better.

Isn't everything these days?

We sure don't give modern science or our govt much credit these days. I tend to tink that a discovery such as this would cause an unprecedented reaction by various scientific groups and govt agencies to secure the habitat, establish some imeadiate parameters for further study and begin a very serious population evaluation, which if they didn't would cause an uproar not only within the BF groups, but every tree hugger, animal loving, whale saving, sierra club life member in North America. This effort will probably have to be co-ordinated with officials in Canada as well based on current distribution theories, thus you'll also have a bunch of Canooks keeping watch over the process when a hockey game aint on the tube.

Someone posted that it is naive to think that our govt and scientists would do everything possible to preserve the BF and go to extremes to protect this discovery. I think it is naive to think that general public would idly standby while our officials allow BF to be exploited by everthing from circuses and poachers to big game trophy hunters. Without the effort put forth by public and private groups, animals such as the panda and gorilla would already be history due to encroaching civilization and lack of legal protection. Granted mistakes have been made in the past, several positive steps have been taken in the right direction,even some really extreme steps are currently in place around the world. One glaring example is the fact that a starving man trying to feed his family (or a cut throat poacher/ivory trader as it doesn't matter what their intentions are) caught within certain restricted areas of Africa in possesion of a firearm or in the process of butchering, hauling away parts of, or attempting to dispatch an elephant by trapping or snaring, will be shot on sight. No questions asked, no quarter given, just shot graveyard dead from a safe distance by a govt trained and well armed patrol team member. One of the articles I read concerning this practice stated that the elephant population within these areas were growing to the point of over population and specimens were being selected for tranport to other less populated ranges.

If am not suggested that the US govt start anything this extreme, but it is an idea as far as the measures various groups around the world feel compelled to take to protect an animal. And we are not talking about a previously undiscovered possible evolutionary cousin of modern day humans here, just an elephant.

Before I say anything further on the subject I have a question for you. Where does the naivety stem from and what do you base this upon? Which posts, which members?

Okey dokey bluforMD......Naive in regard to the many posts both in this thread and others, that if/once bigfoot is discovered...it will be protected and not exploited....in the thread "should bigfoot be left alone"? has many people saying it would protected and strict laws would be put in place.etc etc...some have said the same thing here........and there have been many other threads which this subject has been touched upon and the "naive" belief, that all will be well is expressed............

I think it is naive when we have exploited, killed every other animal, especially above knee height animals, to the point of extinction or seriously threatened.....evey other ape for example is balancing the precipice of extinction because of the way we exploit them and their habitat.........why would bigfoot be any different....it would be absolutely huge if one were found...and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ opportunists will follow.......this is what we humans do............blackmarket would be filled with people saying...get me one.......name your own price$$$$............huge habitats would be locked up , which will in turn piss hunters and loggers etc etc off...and they will turn the anger onto, who do you think...bigfoot..............WE HAVE DONE IT TOO ALL OTHER APES, as well as most animals.......and you think bigfoot will be any different..........maybe for the first 15minutes but after that....who cares...they gotta pay there own way....I can hear it now..............just a few days ago, that polar bear named Knut that a year ago was all fluffy and cute and made the zoo it is held captive in $millions of dollars...it is now being moved on to another zoo(any takers).........why................he is no longer cute and small.....he no longer brings in the $$$$$$$$$$$.....(I bet within the year they'll have another cute baby polar bear)...this is what we humans do and have always done through-out the ages...read your history books.......sadly it is how we see the world around us........TO BE EXPLOITED....................yes I think some of you guys are naive..........
What say you bluforMD?

kids want a kitten, when it becomes a "cat" the interest fades, and so-on.

I agree with the content of your post, but it is based on attitudes and methods common 50 or more years ago. Honestly, if these policies were still in place I doubt even one gorilla, panda, elephant, grizzly bear, florida panther, western cougar, etc. The list of species at or near extinction 50 or so years ago is a long one, and most of these species have succesfully recovered to various degrees through out the world due to the influence of the same population who nearly wiped them out. Has their been any documented extinctions in the last half century? I can't personally recall any. I concede their still are poachers and black marketeers lurking out there, but by no means to the extent they were in times past.

Maybe things are different down on the bottom of the world, or the news is a few years late getting down to the outback? But by and large, everything from whitetail deer to african elephants are thriving to the point of over population in some cases. Not naiviety, just the facts.

Your posts are hard on the eyes. I'm calling on a ban of you using your 'Shift' key.

In all seriousness, and I'm really trying to find words that won't elevate my warning level, but are you no better than those you speak of? You seem to be a decent enough guy, but have you considered the consequences of your actions should you do what you say? Not only would you put a price on your head, but your family would be in danger too. In Kenya, Game Wardens are authorized to shoot on sight of poachers because poachers shoot back. It won't be any different in this scenario, that is, there are people who would kidnap or kill your and your family (or in the very least intimidate) to get their hands on your prize.

You are naive to think your scenario would work out, that there would not be ramifications, that high-priced lawyers would don superhero costumes to fly to the Supreme Court on your behalf with a guarantee of safety. Your words are frightening my friend, I hope you are not the one to capture one live...not because I think you don't deserve the money or fame, but because the fairytale scenario you have in mind will get people harmed or killed in the "real world." If you found a massive diamond, the size of a tennis ball, worth millions, would you keep it in a safe in your home? Or would you contact the highest person you could reach, have it stored in a banking institutions HQ (where they DO carry machine guns), so you would effectively be worthless to those seeking the rock?

What I'm saying is this. If you captured a live Bigfoot/Yowie/etc. would you take some hair, blood, sent it out, get some lawyers, and dangle this groundbreaking discovery in front of the world, which in turn will only give the scent of blood to the lions, those who already view human life as expendable in the name of money? If so, your retirement fairytale will be cut short far before you see any money. Or X member of your family is held for ransom. Believe me, you will not need to have the creature in your possession in order for you to make millions, secure book deals and movie rights, and then sip margaritas on the beaches in front of your mansion if you so desire for the rest of your natural life. This isn't a "Choose Your Own Adventure" novel, if you have got something in your possession that someone desperately wants they'll find a way to get it - at the expense of your life and anyone else that gets in their way, or anyone they can use as a "bargaining tool."

I only hope that if it is you who finds something invaluable you stop to think of the real world and the sick individuals who are a part of it. With all due respect Rod, you are in the naive group and, because you do not possess something the world over wants, you are not thinking about the real world you speak of in this regard.

My fear was in opening a can of worms here, I did, but I cannot be bothered to argue. I simply and respectfully disagree with you specifically on your approach and outcome to the hypothetical question that was initially posed on this thread. There are points you have made in which I do agree, but I hope you do the right thing should you be the "one." I hope you keep an open mind.

G'day bluforMD.......no one is taking my shift key away...I'll go to war if my shift key is..........taken.....away..........
Personally mate, I would leave bigfoot(if he exists) alone and let him wander whats left of the wild......my earlier post was painting a scenario that whoever finds bigfoot and decides to go public, which is the only way to prove it existence.....and what would occur when he/she does.
As for people wanting to kill or kidnap my family members if I were the one to go public with my captured bigfoot, they can have my sister she never stops talking and she will drive them nuts within a week..they'll send me a ransom note asking me to take her back............seriously though, I think that the idea is pretty remote...there are lots of very rich people all with things that are valuable....and they do not get kidnapped or murdered...In the Tasmanian Museum you can walk up and touch a jar with a baby Thylacine floating in it...it has been there since the 1920s....and its still there!!!!at the Melbourne Museum there are countless artifacts of long dead animals with only a pane of glass between you and them...but they are all still there...........there are bird collecters who have extremely rare birds and beyond some very basic safety measures they still have their birds and no family member has been murdered or kidnapped...........I could keep going.....................I don't see professional thieves climbing the walls of the world's Zoo's and stealing rare animals or killing and kidnapping the Zoo Directors.....I would be naive if I were to say"no way it would never happen", but it is not naive to say' its a very remote possibility"....
In a way, you are supporting my point....some people will do anything for $$$, my point is the finder of bigfoot is the one most likely to 'do whatever it takes to maximise his profits, if laws are in his way".......

I will repeat though, personally I would leave Bigfoot alone.......he does not need us getting involved in his day to day living..........
I know of a few caves up in the rainforest mountains where I live where loggers, fisherman and pig-hunters have told me Hairy Man lives in them...I know of a cave where a skeleton of a Hairy Man is alleged to be....There is a cave on a farmers property 30miles from where I live, the farmer keeps finding big 17inch footprints round his dam, and is convinced that Hairy Man lives or frequents the cave.....my choice is to shrug the shoulders and say 'just leave him alone"...........like most people up my way...
And bluforMD, don't worry mate if you think you will upset me....it all just runs off my back....so feel free to respond....cheers

Boogerbottom....go read stuff on the current illegal wildlife trade and then see what you think.......it is 2nd behind drugs in regard to $$$$$$ being made illegally.....there are people waiting for bigfoot, yeti, yowie or orang pedaks to be found......the machinations are already in place, just in case..............

Cannot let you get away with abit of what you said booger.....to hand a pick a few animals like the african elephant and white-tailed deer whose numbers are large, and say therefore buy in large 'everything' is Ok is a joke............the vast majority of wild animals throughout the world are in peril, whether it be habitat loss or man killing the animals themselves.....especially animals above say knee height...the reason is the bigger the animal thee more space they need to live in and habitat loss has decimated the areas they can survive in...also, as man 6billion and counting venture further into what is left of the their habitat, then they are also buggered...hunting for food or illegal trade is also killing them off................no offence but using a couple of examples, is the standard rubbish being thrown around by those who do not know what they are talking about.......Elephants for example....There has been an increase in the African elephant to some 600,000, but they are trapped in nature reserves and so are causing havoc to villages living on the fringes, so now they are legally being poached again...great news for the elephant...there were millions all over Africa before poaching.......Asian Elephant numbers around 40,000, they too are stuck in small nature reserves and it has been reported many are starving to death as people and elephants compete for the resources in the reserves....there were once millions of Asian elephants all over Asia.....Sri lankan elephant numbers a few thousand now and is in serious trouble...The Sumatran Elephant is in the same predicament as the Sri Lankan Elephant...There is alo the Borneo Pygmy Elelphant whose numbers are also extremely low..........
So, basically the African Elephants numbers are good, but they are stuck in ever diminishing nature reserves and we humans are encroaching...the other elephants throughout the world are dwindling and in trouble..........cheers

Watched the 1976 version of King Kong last night...with Jessica Lange (beautiful).....and it reminded me of this thread....Bigfoot would be expolited just like Kong.....

It would be highly naive to think that Bigfoot would not be exploited! This is a worldwide phenomenon, and even if a Sasquatch is captured in the US and protected for exploitation as best as possible, what about the discovery or treatment of these creatures from other parts of the world. The increase in interest in the creature will just explode, and half the world will be out there with shotguns waiting to cash on their share of Bigfoot! Sure they might introduce laws to protect Bigfoot in the US, but what will happen in other countries where they can't even protect the their own critically endangered species. I will definetely be a scary time for the future of the species!



Great movie, I'm a big fan! I also love the original 1933 version which was one of my favourite movies as a kid, though unfortunately I heard that it was also one of Hitler's favourite movies also! Yikes!

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Big foot is tall but not that tall! LOL!

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Bigfoot may not be tall....but...many of the stories about him are.....for example...umm......Ape Canyon....Albert Ostman....Jacobs Creature....Biscardi high-jinx...99% of the stuff from the BFRO.....and the list goes on and on.....

Exploited ? hell yes,, for sure 100% it doesent matter how ´smart they are either, there are indications that they can actually speak a language ( samurai chatter audio IF true ) , it will not make any difference, they WILL be exploited and probed and put on display and dragged around, its just the way humans work, its in our blood as humans to do so

If a real BF were found,I can imagine it being relegated to this...
http://www.sideshowworld.com/tgodMIceman.html