Now be good boys and girls.............and enjoy yourselves!!!!!!

No, but I slept in a holiday in express once. I rather suspect both events tend to produce about the same amount of documented evidence of Bigfoot.

Well personally I think that these things are human...just not...know what I mean? Take a human and make it something different...And in a Holiday Express you see some crazy Truck Drivers...A few of em are covered head to toe in hair and stand over 7 feet tall with pupils so dilated from the stress of their job you can see the red of their retina(Not bashing, I see alot of it, I work as a Lumper and Driver Helper )

Lol...

and the holiday inn was a lot cheaper. ;-)

I went on an expedition and all I got is a broken baseball bat from smacking trees
Forgot to read the fine print -- tape your bat before using on trees.

Hell, I would be left there! After the check cleared first, of coarse

No, haven't been Iwould probably rather try on my own first a lot cheaper, probably.

Yes, my wife and I and children have been on many BFRO expeditions. We enjoy them and we meet alot of great people. And have formed some great relationships thru the past years. We find them very informative, and on occassions have experience with others, some sightings and experiences. We have found foot prints with toes, we have heard vocalizations (many different kinds) " and just not from Bigfoot/sasquatches"

The best part of going on a BFRO expedition "campout" is the many people and relationships that we have formed. With the information that we have learned from these outings, and we are glad to be able to share it on this forum with you great folks.

blueboy

No, I have not.

Nor do I really have any interest in doing so.

No I haven't had the opportunity to attend and don't think I ever will. I haven't the time for that..

BB, the friendship part I honestly understand completely. When a group of us first started hitting the woods together up here, that was(and still is) one of the primary positives!
IMO..now that a bunch of you are friends, you should just go on your own, hit the woods, and save yourself some money:) Besides with a smaller group of dedicated individuals, you are far more likely to achieve some manner of success anyway, IMO.
BTW, I did not realize there had been multiple sightings on the expeditions, can you elaborate, and perhaps provide a link to the appropriate section on the BFRO site? I looked a bit, but could not find any mention of actual sightings.
Also, a description and / or link to any of the vocals(I am sure they were recorded, given the claimed scientific nature of the "expeditions") would also be nice:)
I of course have not likely heard all of the recordings and such from the "expeditions" but I've heard some, and so far they have been fairly lacking in the "wow" factor. Indeed...the ones I've heard sounded suspiciously like coyotes...
This should prove an interesting thread.

I would love to keep this thread open, so lets all stick to the facts of the matter and not resort to any personal attacks.

Please back up all statements made, whether pro or con.

Thank you.

C

i go on my own expeditions by myself in the forests for now... interesting new thread i think

Welcome blueboy....nice to hear from you and thanks for you letting us know that you enjoy bfro expeditions..............fill us in on what you have learned mate...cheers Rod

I have been on several and have enjoyed everyone. I think the best part of a BFRO expedition is the amount of knowledge represented at each one. Even though everyone doesn't agree, they all have valuable input and experiences to share. Also, the things I learn on BFRO expeditions I use on my private expeditions and they have produced results. I would recommend trying one out for yourself. Like most things in life, it is best to make your own, informed decision instead of taking the word of someone sitting in their basement typing on a computer, and I mean not taking the word of people on both side of the BFRO debate, pro or con.

Todd in Utah
"Take joy in the journey."

I have not attended a BFRO expedition

I had always been curious about how the bfro operated and when I accidentally came upon the opportunity to experience it for myself I invited a group doing an expedition locally to my property. In all fairness, at least during my experience the group was well organized and worked well together. Also many people interested in this field just can't afford the "expensive toys" like the thermals that were being used.
I am not bfro, this is not a plug for the bfro, only what I experienced.

Sneeky and Blueboy....Welcome to Bigfootforums....

Yep... I have...

But I've never been invited back for some odd reason...

Hi Matt!

Please tell Wally to send me money... lots of it...

I have no good reason for asking... and I will do absolutely nothing for it... I just want it...

Ummm... that's about it...

What I will say about the BFRO expeditions is that I don't see where they can say that they can offer anyone a product that they cannot produce very easily themselves.

From what I have noticed the majority of their "expeditions" are conducted in areas that anybody with little effort on their part can determine to have a lot of activity based on sightings.

Unless I am mistaken air fare is not included in the package deal. So if you are going to have to secure your own transportation to the area, as well as being responsible for your own camping gear, what do they provide?

The Whoops and the Hollers I suppose nightscream.....maybe the odd 'Thud' and 'Burp"......branch snaps are always effective, a mound or stick structure is a great crowd-pleaser.....the mosquito repellant and a sticker for your car......

Nobody's getting any damn airfare until RB get lots of money... understand?

No, I have not and will not. I suppose that if you've never experienced back woods camping then you would feel more confident in a group.

What do they offer for the money that they will obviously charge you? Safety? Banter? Feild instruction? Go on your own, if you can, but just be safe about it. IMO

I don't believe I would go. I am not sure what the going price is right now for a expedition with them. I have heard 400.00 dollars. It just makes me nervous as to how much pressure for results 400.00 dollars adds and how far some might be willing to go to get these results. But thats just me, I approach everything that deals with BF skeptically. Don't get me wrong, I am a believer but just don't want to end up looking like the Georgia boys either. And I am no way comparing the BRFO to the Georgia boys just feel that the knowledge that some of the guys at the BRFO have, which is very good. It would be better suited holding seminars for a lot less money and let the people get out there on their own. It be a lot less commercial and make me a lot less skeptical. But thats just my opinion.

Ted

I like where your coming from Ted.....I see no real problems with doing "bigfoot expeditions", but from what I gather very few go away disappionted...in other words, they seem to have some sort of 'contact' or 'possible contact".....and thats the thorny question....there's an old saying...'you gotta keep the customer satisfied"....

hi
I do not understand what you guys are saying ..what are you upset at ..???

Golly... this thread and some of the responses just couldn't have come from this directive from Matt... could it??

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?fo...hreadid=1976968



There's more, that's a snippet.

As Painthorse pointed out:




I haven't yet attended a BFRO expedition, but I'd like to next year when I'm in college. I'm certainly familiar with all the criticism this organization has received, but I'd rather experience what they have to offer before solidifying my opinions of them.

Say what you want about the BFF, but at the end of the day The BFRO is welcome to post here on the BFF, however, the same isn't true on the BFRO forum. I just tried to post a comment to the AntiBFRO Propaganda thread and received the message my account had been disabled by administrators and that I did not have posting privileges.

I think that speaks volumes.

Pure genuis. Multi-level marketing without having to pay commissions.

Why be envious of a money-grubbing operation that can't even publish expedition reports
to the public (when promised) and doesn't share sound files though they record all the time?

I was able to add a post to that board in answer to MM's post. Frankly, I'm sick of him thinking, and saying, that there is some grand conspiracy against him and the BFRO and that we are the cause of it.

Nope, never been on a BFRO expedition but now that I have gained an interest in BF and truly do believe that BF is a living, breathing being, and in as much as I am within miles of a BFRO report site almost daily, and often at night, I would love to go out actually looking with someone that knows what to look for. I don't much care if it's BFRO or not.

Have fun, Norcal

I've not attended any of those expeditions and don't get the 'envious' comments. Why would I be envious of someone who is minus a few hundred bucks out of their pocket to attend one of those things?? Before doing much investigation into it the idea sounded potentially fun, but once I found out how much it costs, I had to laugh. No way would I ever pay that much to go on a BFRO expedition. I'm not short of cash, either, just have better things to do with it. For those of you who enjoy that sort of thing, more power to ya, though. It's JMHO. Course, after reading that thread, I would not even go if it were free.

If BFRO members want to visit this forum and tell us about the expeditions, I for one am absolutely fine with that, provided of course that they provide details (excluding locations of course since their NDA sensibly prohibits that), and not just a 'BFRO is really great' message - lets get some constructive discussion going about expeditions, and I don't just mean BFRO ones.


I'll say this only once - if a BFRO member does post here, and gets anything nasty sent to them via email or PM and I find out about it, that member will be out on their ass before they get a chance to blink.

Good for you Jay. That's about the same thing I was going to say, only I would have added there are people here that don't like the BFRO just like there are people on the BFRO forum that don't like the BFF. It looks to me like they're doing what they're accusing the BFF of doing IMHO of course.

After you get that person's side of the story, to make sure it's legitimate, right?

havent and dont need to. belong to other groups and conduct my own research projects already





screw that, I go to the backwoods to get away from people, thats where peace is.




dude....

You live near a decent stretch of forest or near a a place with some history of activity, spend your money on gear and then hit it....

I never have attended any of their expeditions, but have heard from some that have.

I'm an experienced outdoorsman that has had many encounters with all kinds of wildlife and know the sounds they make. The BFRO expeditions are great for those that have never set foot in the bush, and there are many neophytes on their expeditions.

One question that always intrigues me about those BFRO expeditions is with all the numerous expeditions done in the past years in just about every US state and province in Canada, why is their no concrete evidence, any clear photos or earth-shattering news from these expeditions if they are so serious in proving that Bigfoot exists?

One simple answer: they claim they have evidence, it's just not the clearest, bestest that will stand up to public scrutiny, therefore they stifle it and just go
after the stuff that is handed to them in a sensationalistic way like the Penn and Teller stuff, pancake situation and Jacobs creature. If that is creative genius and
multi-level marketing without paying a commission or a great business plan......you can have it, I don't buy it and will give them no more of my money....they've
got enough coming from Wally and the rest of the attendees.

Been months since my last post... I'm not dead yet...

An older post of mine that still seems relevant a few years later.

uh oh... Seems a bit harsh, though, I mean, they're the ones calling BFF members obsessive liars and asking people to come on this site and post their own propaganda. Regardless of what the true nature of these expeditions are, people can and should draw their own conclusions. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle of it all. Since expeditions are not free, economic times are tough and free time is precious, conclusions will be based on feedback from others. So what? That's just being a responsible consumer. Myself, I have to wonder how vocals can be guaranteed. I can't even guarantee that out of my dog.

Gang, calm down. There is a reason I don't have to go to the woods to get away from people. I live there.
Biped, love the avatar! Spy vs. Spy my favorite part of Mad
Oh and another thing "7238 registered users vs. 8717 registered users" "52,891 posts vs. 502,488 posts" guess there's more you can talk about here.

My comment was in response to this comment from Paul. Teresa's post snuck in between the two so mine probably makes no sense.

In this post,
I'll say this only once - if a BFRO member does post here, and gets anything nasty sent to them via email or PM and I find out about it, that member will be out on their ass before they get a chance to blink.
Paul1968UK seems to be implying that he will take action on BFF members in a manner that could be considered hasty.

As with all things Bigfoot proper research is required before action is taken.

OK - Ill bite.

Anyone attned the Maine or NH expeditions this year?????

Mine too, glad to include it among the other assorted xmas collection of avatars, although I love my scrat too, he'll be back before new years!
And, yeah, I escape to my part of the woods as often as I can, put out a new mineral lick today, got a plan......gonna work it.

Sounds like another possible explanation for at least some alleged Bigfoot sightings!

I liked your post over there.

I'm not the biggest fan of the BFRO, mainly because of certain people involved, but not at the members as a whole. There are some amazing people that are involved with this subject that give a lot of their time and efforts into research and field work. The difference is what your motives are, and being able to support your theories with subtantial evidence that needs no explainations or skews to be considered viable to a scientific standard. (which is what is needed for something to be "fact" and not pure speculation no matter how many explainations of what "could've would've should've but instead what is)


When an organization makes claims of being scientific in nature and provides paid guided tours (how often without the proper permits?) doesnt sound very scientific in nature and also doesnt give me any confidence that they are (from within the leadership, not the camp goers) there to solve this mystery and collect any scientific data or proof. I may be mistaken (and someone please point it out to me if I'm wrong and present me a link) but I think there have been zero photos or films or videos of any sasquatches during any of these expeditions.



The only "experiences" that were had, were either vocalizations or "possible" foot prints or stick formations that were "thought to be" made by a sasquatch. There has been no DNA evidence collected either. (from hair or other sources)



Those things I mentioned make me feel like an organization that is charging people more than a holiday inn room per night (300 dollars per person) that has been around for 12 plus years should've at least gathered one of the above mentioned things at some point. There have been claims by the researchers there that hold these expeditions of sightings lasting more than 15 minutes at a time. The person reporting this even called someone on his cell phone during the sighting. Conveniently, no one got any video, photographs or other evidence of any kind from this location and sighting. There were multible investigators at this particular sight. It also just happened to be just before the expedition was planned. Sounds a little "hoaky" to me. I may sound biased to some coming from the BFRO here reading this, however I feel like I'm taking a very unbiased look at the situation and calling it as I see it. I'm not a complete skeptic, I've had my own experiences in the past. I'm just trying to be as balanced as I can and take a close look at what is real, and what is not. What has been skewed to look a certain way with no substantial evidence. The BFRO is indeed an organization and a business, and I respect their contributions of the sighting database. I also take a closer look at a lot of these reports and try to take them very seriously and do my own investigations sometimes. Especially ones reported near my area.


For instance this one.


http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2393



At the bottom of the report (which by the way was investigated be Mathew Moneymaker) it states they are going back to this location to look for more supporting evidence.



Are you kidding me? I can read through this sighting report once and without making a single phone call know that it is a complete hoaxed story. The military would never under ANY circumstances leave a soldiers body at a crash site overnight. Especially not so on friendly territory when multible teams of rescue teams had been to the crash site already. That is one of many ways I can absolutely be SURE this never happened. Am I to believe this "story" was well investigated? Seriously.....



This, is what degrades my views about the BFRO and encourages me to be here on this forum because the motivating factors are completely different on many of the posters, and visitors.




Without peer reviews and skepticism anything written is "not worth the paper its written on". If it cant withstand that, why bother to display it publically? Makes me question the ethics and motives.



Healthy reviews and rebuttals are key to finding the truth. What is it you seek on this subject? It's a very valid question.








Will you have a good time on a BFRO expedition? Probably so, and you'll meet some cool people (in some cases) during the experience. Will you find anything worth scientific evidence? Thats pretty questionable considering what has been shown to be the case from well documented expeditions.


That being said, I really love this forum because you can rebut what is said without fear of being stifled with a speedy ban and deletion of what was said. Why not instead explain why reports like the one I posted are in a database of a "scientific" organization/business after being investigated by MM himself?









Sorry for being long winded, but I hope what I've said is looked into rather than seen as biased. I'm seeking truth. What do you seek?

Hi

Good Stuff there " River "

Peace
Tim