I think that eagle feathers are a special case - their protection relates to both their endangered status, as well as related to protecting cultural antiquities, and preventing american indian artifacts from being sold illegally...

http://www.fws.gov/faq/featherfaq.html

My friend was reading a book on the history of Texas. He said the hill country was the last part of Texas to get paved roads. It seems then that cars were "off-roading". So, it would not be unusual to see car parts in the middle of nowhere.

This may be a good area for bigfoot as there are lots of rivers and limestone caves. However, it is not as moist as other sasquatch areas.

There are lots of large mammals in the area such as black bear, coyotes, wolves, mountain lions, and elk. This could support a sasquatch and explain your skull.

uh, there hasnt been a bear or wolf in central Texas in a 100 years. Bears just in the
last 10 years or so have been seen in BigBend, but thats far southwest on the Rio Grande. I read
they are starting to be seen in northeast Texas on the Lousianna border. As far as elk are
concerned there are a few on high fence ranches, but free-ranging not so much.

dav

Ditto on the feathers - don't even pick them up, illegal for any raptor, including owls, or buzzards, and a $500.00 fine in Texas per feather.

Beers are making a comeback in Texas, and in particular East Texas. My Game Warden buddy says it won't be long before they are here in Central Texas too. I haven't seen any sign of them though. The Wolves ARE here though, have seen them, and they are absolutely not Coyotes, or any type of hybrid. Also saw a Jaguar two years ago, which really freaked me out, and my Warden buddy says he gets reports of or sees them once or twice a year. Mountain lions are one thing, and certainly dangerous, but the Jaguar is in a different league, and very powerful.

Gotta have at least one picture right? Here's one of my Deer friends waiting for me, and using his 'mind control' to get my attention. Comes by everyday about the same time for happy hour.

has your Warden buddy made an official report of a jaguar sighting with TPWD?
I would think a verified sighting this far from the Mexican border would be huge
news, look at the coverage the one in Arizona got.


dav

I'm quite relieved to hear that.. It had been a concern of mine for some time....






Yeah... That worked out well.

true, but my point is, it made the news as a sighting that was verified. Historically jaguars
have never been this far into Texas.

dav

The Jaguar I saw was black.......and if you do a search, keywords 'black jaguar in texas', you will see several articles, including an incident back in the 1930's North of Houston, around the Big Thicket area, and concerned a Man-eater Black Jaguar that was finally shot, and while consuming his last victim, pretty shocking news article. So they were/are there too, as well as the Texas Hill Country. Don't know if my buddy reported my sighting or not. He was very matter of fact about it, and didn't seem surprised. He did mention that I shouldn't be out there alone, and was concerned for my safety in this area. He knows what I am doing, and what my research involves, and is supportive. He saw BF as a child growing up in Texas, so he's cool with it.......UNoffically of course!

So is it your friend's thinking that a jaguar is responsible for your "kill zone"?



Did you get the sense it was from the jaguar or from something "else"?



Of course...

Wouldn't it be nice if just ONCE a forestry official could come out and publicly say "Look, there's SOMETHING out there...let's find out what it is..."?

Hey Mulder, hope you are doing well. The Kill Zone, and my Jaguar sighting are miles apart, don't think the two are connected in any way. Haven't shown or mentioned the Zone to my Warden buddy either.

Shadoangel is coming tomorrow, and we will have a little campout close to the Zone tomorrow night. Stay tuned........hoping for some luck, now that the weather has cooled off, abd we've had some rain.

I can buy a TPWD officer maybe not saying anything about seeing a BF, but
seeing and not reporting a apex predator like a jaguar in an area that a) they are not
known or were ever known to exist, in a populated area as they are known man-
eaters and not reporting and following it up, then that officer is simply not doing his
job.

we had big cat tracks found in Rockwall, suburb of Dallas, a few years back and TPWD
followed up on it for weeks until it was determined to be a mountain lion that finally moved
on. It was not a shrug of the shoulders and a "be careful out there".

my last 2 cents

dav

Hey Dav, I certainly appreciate your point. How would I know if this was reported, is there a web site for this sort of thing? This happened two years ago as well. Are you from Texas? The Jags were all over the place 100 years ago, at least that is what my search turned up after my sighting. I was as surprised as you, and was thinking some type of escapee, until I did the search, and was shocked at their former range. The Mountain Lions are seen all the time in and around Lago Vista, and doesn't really get any 'press' because it has become so common. They are frequently seen by golfers on the golf cousre!

Here are some web findings on the subject. As mentioned in earlier posts, I am VERY familiar with big cats, and have watched a Jaguar cub grow up, now 9. Jaguar's make the absolute worst exotic cat pet, and can do serious harm to you after 6 months of age. ALL exotic cats will make BAD pets, believe me!

“The jaguar was once fairly common over Southern Texas, and nearly the whole of the eastern part of Louisiana, and north to the Red River. The last verified record of the jaguar in Texas was around the turn of the century (1900), and this beautiful cat is now extirpated from Texas...”

On the website “Big Cats On Line” by Andrew Garman,, the author writes: “The melanistic or black jaguars are common in certain parts of the range, and they are often confusingly labeled “black panthers...”

Hence it becomes known that the “Mexican lion” of East Texas was actually a spotted jaguar, although none have been seen in Texas nor for about a century. Also cougars are arriving in East Texas in much greater numbers. Yet black panther stories continue to arrive in my guest book and email, many of them seemingly quite convincing, especially stories I have recently received from Warren and Silsbee, Texas. I hope the stories keep coming, but I would dread to know that a beautiful big black cat had been killed with a rifle, only to prove its existence.

DIALVILLE – Residents here are treading lightly and keeping an eye out for black panthers, who many say have made the woods in the Dialville area their temporary home.

How long they’ll stay here is anybody’s guess, according to citizens living in the area, who are fearful of a “mother panther and her three cubs” who have been spotted along the Dialville Highway on County Road 1610.

“A lot of people are scared,” a source said. “They can bite your head off. There are neighborhoods and houses all around that area.” Game wardens have been notified, according to the source.

However, officials from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department say the animals may have been confused with another type of creature.

“We get these calls all the time. They’ve probably seen something else,” said TPWD biologist David Sierra. “The ‘black panther’ is an East Texas myth. It’s one of those things that’s hard to dispel.”

So if it’s not a black panther, then what exactly is making a stay in Cherokee County? Sierra said there are two forms of what East Texans call “black panthers,” which could be an all black leopard or jaguar, caused by a genetic mutation. But in either case, Sierra said the sighting itself in this area is more rare.

“That’s kind of odd, if they are even in this area, because we have no tracks, no pelts, no photographs … as far as we know, there are no records of them here in Texas. The leopard, which is probably the most common — it’s going to be found in Africa, in Asia, some Europe, and the Middle East. The jaguar is from South and Central America, and sometimes they can be found in Mexico. Sometimes it turns out to be a bobcat, which is very common in Texas, or some kind of lab or just a very large black house cat.”

And one more article, which just adds to the confussion, but they are being reported. I don't think any of the Big Cats in Texas will make much of a media splash until someone gets attacked or killed. Also, I have seen two Jaguarundi's, and was not one of those.

According to the Texas Parks & Wildlife, black panthers don't exist in Texas either. However, to residents of river bottoms and heavily wooded remote spots in Texas, the big black cats are just part of daily life. I personally know two people who claim to have seen black panthers. One saw a large black cat while hunting on his family's property near the Davey Crockett National Forest in East Texas. The second person spotted both a tawny colored and a black "long tailed cat" in central Texas not 50 miles east of Waco. Wildlife officials fail to recognize that even normal colored cougars have returned to east and central Texas. The sightings are almost always explained away as a misidentification or an escaped pet. Reports of black panthers don't even merit a response from wildlife officials in this state at this point.

So, what are people seeing? There are several possibilities, in my opinion. The first possibility is simply that cougars can sometimes be black. This is a well-documented trait in jaguars and leopards. Scientists have yet to see it in cougars but that doesn't mean it doesn't occur. The second possibility is that jaguars still roam the state. Texas was once part of the jaguar's natural range. The last known jaguar in Texas was killed in Brownwood in the 1940s. It is thought they may still haunt the state's southern border but are not thought by wildlife experts to range into central or east Texas. One more possible candidate for the black panther sightings is the jaguarundi. The jaguarundi is a relative of the cougar but much smaller. It averages between 30 and 45 inches long and can be dark in color though, it is thought, not black. A final possibility is that there is simply an undocumented species of large black cat roaming not only Texas but other areas of the country as well.

I should mention that on my last two posts, I only wrote the first sentence in each, pasted the rest from various articles on the web.........kind of looks in the text above like I wrote it all.

Went out today with Shadoangel, and found some interesting things. Best of all, and very exciting, are Pictures 1 & 2, which appeared to be a juvenile print; good toe definition, slightly curved, wide with a narrow heel, and VERY fresh, probably last night sometime. Picture 3 & 4 were two overturned logs near the print.......lots of good things to eat under those logs. And Pictures 5 & 6........gotta have a few from the Kill Zone!

Hmm......this is an edit, and the pictures didn't come out in the same order as the text....sorry!

Quick note on jauguars: I'm not sure where the misconception came from about them "never" having been here, but since the Jaguar is thought to have originally came from over the Bering Land Bridge [along with almost everything else], they used to live in every dense forest in North and South America and have only come into their present range through human-forced loss of habitat or general climate change as the continent cooled off. But as BigTex was saying, they were in Texas as recently as 100 years ago. Definitely seem to be making a comeback though, from what I hear from folks in the rural areas.

It is really amazing how little transfers from real life onto the camera. While you can definitely see this is a good print, it looked twice as good in person. We almost passed this area by, and only decided to do a little poking around when we saw that two of the logs were disturbed and the rest of them were not - there were several in the immediate vicinity that had not been touched, which strongly implies that it wasn't weather related as a weather related disturbance should have affected them all equally. Besides, they didn't look pushed by water, but more like picked-up and/or rolled over. After a quick look around, the footprint really stuck out. What's also interesting is how narrow the heel is compared to the "ball" of the foot. You can kind of see it in the picture, but it's definitely odd looking. Tiny toes, broad "ball", and narrow heel. If it was a barefoot human, they've got a serious foot disorder.

Also, now that I've finally been to where a lot of these pictures come from [the cave where the scream came from, the cave where the jaguar came out of, the kill zone] - I can really get an appreciation for the whole area. As populated as the place is, in such close proximity to Austin and the suburbs/rich neighborhoods by the lake, there are a surprising number of places for animals to live, hide, and travel. Huge ravines that are almost unusuable by humans make great animal highways around Lake Travis and the hills north of there. Definitely could support large predators. Deer were everywhere too, so anything that eats deer [coyotes, wolves, cougars, sasquatch] could theoretically live there too.

And the kill zone is hell of a creepy. We hiked for miles in several different locations. Saw the rare bone or two. Maybe once we saw an old coyote kill. But then you walk up to this area and there are bones everywhere. Dozens upon dozens of kills. Some fresh with pieces of skin still attached, and others that had degraded and washed down the hillside, littering the area with jaws, legs, ribs, etc. Crazy to think that something has been killing at least once a week for a year or two there.

Didn't get to camp, due to the weather, but it'll happen sooner or later. I plan on staying up all night on that trip. No sleep for me.

Shado did you see the jaguar come out of a cave by the kill zone or did someone else? I must have missed that in the thread somewhere or I am just reading that wrong. If this is a kill zone for a jaguar are they known to hunt down prey and then drag them back to a kill zone or just hunt inside the zone?
By the way great job you guys for taking the initiative to get out there and see what's going on!

Hey Jam.....I saw the Jaguar over 2 years ago, several miles from the Kill Zone, and on the other side of the FM road that goes through here. I doubt the two are related, as this would not be the MO of a Jaguar either, this dragging your victims to a specific area.......anyone know for sure?. The other Cave, where I heard the screams, is very near where we found the print yesterday. I have seen large and small prints in the area for years, and if the small print yesterday is the same creature that is leaving the smaller prints, it's growing. The print yesterday was by far the best & freshest one I have found, and as Shado mentioned, MUCH better in the flesh. I was going to go out there this AM and try my luck with a cast, but it has been pouring. Also, the scream I heard, guessing at the time, was female or young of whatever species made them.

One thing I would like to mention.......I can email any of the photos in these pages to any member, just let me know. There is quite a bit more detail in the larger file size photos that I have, showing much better detail.

I would love the higher resolution photos that you took of the logs and the footprint. Thanks!

And sorry about the confusion on the jaguar - BigTex saw the black jag 2 years ago. I only saw the area where the incident occurred, and was trying to list all the different areas we visited - scream cave, jaguar cave, kill zone, etc.

Thanks for the info peeps.

Wow......it has been raining down here, and that's a good thing; all the creeks are flowing well, and the scattered ponds are full, even some that never have water in them. In only a month, its gone from one extreme to the other, completely dry, to more water than I have ever seen out here. The creeks are running pretty good, have flash-flooded several times now, and this has made some nice soft surfaces up to 8 feet or so above the normal creek levels on both sides, great for looking for tracks!

Here is another fresh track of my little friend, and a similar track pictured a few posts back. I found this one yesterday, and was across the creek from the other one, and roughly 50 yards away. The first print shown several posts back has washed out due to flash flooding, and this newest one is fresh, as any old prints would have washed out on the other side too. Appears to be the same individual I'm pretty sure; same size, wide arch with a narrow heal, and slightly curved. I did find a pathway through the woods, but just disturbed earth, and only the one good print. As usual, the pictures on the post don't show a lot of detail, but it was impressive in the flesh.

Also, took a few more pictures of one of the logs that was turned over, and pictured a few posts back very near where we found the first small print. Notice the exposed fresh looking wood in two places that don't match the aging on the rest of the log. In person, this looks like the two places that force was applied to move the log, no claw marks as a bear or other animal might leave, and almost exactly the marks I made when I tried it.

very nice! Are the pathways running paralel to the creeks? next to the creek beds? (I know they can be extremly narrow.. )

Tex, don't you think it's unusual that your "little friend" (presumedly a juvenile) seems to be all by themselves. Or are you finding any larger prints in the same area and I overlooked the report? I would think that a juvenile would have trouble bringing down some of the animals you've found in the "kill zone".

And before any of the pedants around here chime in, YES, I'm asking Tex to speculate...

Hey Mulder......yes, it is unusal that the little guy is by himself, and would explain an easy meal under rotting logs. I found his (smaller) prints twice last year, in the same general area, and were in close proximity to much larger (adult) prints, but very poor quality on the bigger ones. I remember thinking at the time that the foot placement on the larger tracks was more deliberate, with the intention not to leave sign. I have also noticed something else; as with most established creeks, there will be trails on either side, snd parallel with the creek. The tracks I find are rarely on or along the established trails, but perpendicular or crossways, and staying off the trails for the most part. Obviously something is in the area, and with the way it is now after the rain, absolute prime real estate! As far as hiding in the immediate area, I would be hanging my hat inside the heavily fenced City Water Works reservoir; it's at the top of a large hill (small mountain in Texas), with a very heavy-duty, well maintained barbed wire fence, and with threatening signs everywhere. It's a large wooded area, with the city water holding pond on top, and no permanent workers on site. I have been soooo tempted to cross the wire and check around, but don't wanna do that.

Here's a nice little waterfall, and another interesting bit of history. The flash flooding has washed away a lot of nastiness and silt out of the creeks, exposing limestone creek beds. Don't know if the detail will show up in the photo, but there are wagon wheel tracks from long ago. From the Spanish days on, the easiest way to get supplies to settlements inland from the Colorado River was down the nice flat creek beds, and I often find the wheel ruts from decades of use. One creek down here, Cow Creek, had a darn 'highway' going down it, two lanes coming & going, and must of been the I-35 of it's day. Remember, in those days there was a real forest around these parts, before the ranchers did their land clearing thing, and cutting roads was not an option.

Tex, if they're hiding in the reservoir, how do you figure they're getting in and out if it's that fenced off?

The Fence is more of a statement than a real deterrent, and I could be in there easily in several places. That gives me an idea......duh....walk the fence line for hair samples. There is a large wooded area around the reservoir, with rock outcrops, and places to hide, based on what's at the top of other hills in the area. Also, thanks for letting me speculate, gotta watch out here, and that's certainly a good thing........keeps things objective.......just the facts jack.

Maybe I am backtracking here but after seeing the above statement again (in my bold), I couldn't help but think about a hypothetical situation that has crossed my mind before. If Mulder's statement above is accurate, could that be a loophole that a goverment agency could use to gain possession of a dead or living Sasquatch specimen from a private citizen?


edit to put "in my bold"

Yes it could.

Big Tex, I have been following this thread and am impressed with what you are doing and your unbiased analysis of what you are finding, keep up the good work.

I am only butting in to offer a suggestion. Since the flooding has exposed so much bed rock, I would take a gold pan and a crevaseing tool (some times a screw driver is all you need) and clean out the cracks in the bedrock and see what you get. Especialy down stream from the wagon ruts. There are lots of story's about lost spanish mines in Texas.

With gold at over a $1000.00 an ounce right now its worth a try! It doesnt take much gold to weigh an ounce. Who knows, you might find enough to buy some more equipment.

Rog

You might be on to something Rog, and I have certainly wondered the same thing. If you were going to be carrying anything of weight back in those days, the creeks would make sense, and would be easy to relocate in the future. The picture below shows what appears to be an arrow carved in the rock, and is located in one of the smaller creeks in this area.

The flash-flooding has also exposed some interesting fossils as well. These poor creatures seem to have been caught in some kind of lava flow long ago, with their flesh being burned off immediately, and leaving their bones in the flow. Are there any fossil hunters that might want to comment on these photos?

This week has been the best weather for hiking in a long while, and the wet conditions is a welcome relief for print work. Here's an old log that was torn up last night, and a 'little foot' print nearby. The rotting logs have grubs and other tasty critters hanging in and around them.....mmmm.

BigTex,

In a couple of these photographs of the footprints you've been finding, it looks like the big toe of the footprint is separated from the other toes. Is this a trick on my eyes, or does it appear this way to you as well? IIRC, in the footprint that we found, the toes appeared to be all in a row. You think it's all the same creature ["junior", as it were] walking/standing differently and/or in different soil or a different creature?

Hey Shado.......the print above/below wasn't in good shape, and appeared to have had something happen to it after it was laid down.......maybe the same or some other animal came through there and disturbed it. The track we found was much better for sure. The toes appeared to be in line; however, the print seemed a little larger, if anything. I was looking more at the front part of the track above, and the whole may be parts of two different impressions. This would make sense, it was in close proximity to the busted up log. There was leaf litter mostly around the log, and only a small area with exposed moist dirt. The heel appears to end northwest of the white rock, not very clear on the picture size above.

Big Tex,

I responded to your PM before I got to this thread, havnt a had chance to get to the forum in a couple of days.

That does appear to be a Spanish direction symbol and from what I can tell from the photo (the down sized picture doesnt give much detail) the smaller white rocks appear to be quartz with some mineralization, which is another good thing. Back in the day of the Conquistadors these treasure location symbols where a secret code known only to a select few. Modern treasure hunters have deciphered the code and made some remarkable finds. I started looking for references to the old Spanich treasure symbols as part of my search for the Lost Adams Diggings thinking maybe the Spaniards had also found the deposit. I have two books on the symbols and there meaning "somewhere", I'll explain the somewhere in a minute but, I have stumbled across Spanish treasure symbols a few times and followed them up. I only follow them for any great distance if I find one of the symbol's for "ORO". Usually, I follow the directions up to a point and then cant find the next symbol. I dont know if natural causes over the last 400 years has erased them (flash floods, land slides, earth quakes etc.) or if someone else on the trail has just made them disapear to keep others off the trail. But twice I have followed them to a satisfying conclusion (sort of), on one the deposit had been found in the late 1800 hundreds and is now a fenced off patented mining claim (patented means now private property) on the the other I found the old mine but, it is in (what is now) a wilderness area, which means totally hands off by federal law. You dont want to get caught carrying out even a mineral sample, if you are caught, you are in some serious deep sh*t! I'm getting old and arthritic so I cant sneak and creep like I usetacould!

I'm getting long winded again so I'll try and cut this short (and all the dogs just started raising hell, so there's something out there thats not welcome, I'll check it out in a minute). Now I'll explain what I meant by "somewhere", when my daughter moved out on her own a year ago, my wife went on a massive home reorganization (oh the dogs are barking at a helicopter, I just heard it, thats probably not welcome either) since all our book cases are full, she boxed up all the books I had stacked in out of the way places and put the box's in lots of other places! So I have no clue where the treasure symbol books are.

Big Tex, I will send you a PM with my email address, if you are interested send me the full sized picture and I will find the books and let you know what it means. In the subject line of the email put "treasure symbol?" so I wont think it is spam. Also let me know in the email if you want me to post the meaning here or by PM.

I appologize for the long winded post that is off topic for this thread.

Rog

very interesting lead! And could those be barefoot people prints? Or ungulate scrapes? We always should try to rule out the ordinary before jumping to an extraordinary conclusion.

First, we have to keep in mind what BigTex said about the track being in poor condition. Based on some of the previous tracks he's photographed, a visual inspection tells me that the proportions are wrong for a human footprint. Sassy tracks are much wider through the back half of the foot than human tracks are.

As for it being an ungulate scrape, it doesn't appear to me to have any sign of a "tail" or "mound" (where the dug stuff is scattered "behind" the start of the track).

BigTex, has there been any activity of late around the "kill zone"? Also, you said you never mentioned it to your friend at F&W. May I ask why? Are you concerned that he might have to take official notice and it would mess up your investigation?

In that area you have cactus just about every few yards/feet it seems. The rocks are sharp in many areas and you do have plenty of critters of the snake variety about.
If someone was barefootin-they would have to be pretty darn carefull, slow, or have some damn tuff hide. I grew up in the area and did a bit a barefootin in the country side. Learned the hard way.

You are right Wheel.....it would do a number on your bare feet. I have worn creek shoes before, so I could walk down the creeks, but those were too painful. I wear my older proper shoes now, and just get them wet. Water is still running pretty good........here's a nice waterfall.

Also, haven't been over to the kill zone in several weeks, and figured I'd give it a little time before I go back over there. And yes Mulder, don't wanna make any reports.......heck, they will think I did it! That seems to be the official mentality these days, plus this is my little study area.

One more quick note, and to answer Mulder more completely, I DID report this strange activity at the kill zone to the head city sanitation guy, and he said he was going to "look into it"........and I will just leave it at that.

Hey all........been laid up for a week and a half with a bad back, was mowing the lawn, and did something to it. Finally got back out for a short hike yesterday, but still pain with every step. It's also been a while since I have ventured over to the Kill Zone, and figured I will only go over there once or twice a month. It will be interesting to see if the deer carcusses start collecting over there, with the start of deer season, which would indicate dumping.......we'll see.

Here's a picture of two large dog/wolf prints, probably a female, followed by a male. They were quite large, especially the male print.......absolutely huge! The prints are almost on top of each other, and hopefully you can see the detail. I have seen a male & female Red Wolf in the area before, no mistaking them either, and these tracks are probably them.

Yeah, I hear ya. As a kid I barefooted it my first 9 years on the grasslands of West Africa. There were plenty of snakes, army ants, scorpions, thorns, cacti, animal droppings, human droppings, chicken droppings, ok, well you get the picture. You developed a careful tread and a very sharp eye.

Great weather for hiking.........been walking down many of the streams looking for sign. Here's the fence and sign for the water treatment plant discussed a few posts back, not much of a fence.....as can be seen.

Just read the whole thing, and WOW! This is interesting, with a level headed researcher on the job this is a great thread. Have there been any very fresh kills in the zone? Other than the dog they seem to be just bones. With your knowledge of big cats are you able to rule out them as the culprit or would you still consider them a real possibility? I appreciate your efforts in posting up all your findings and pictures I think this is one of the best ongoing reports in a long, long time.

Thank you for the kind words FanofSquatch........it inspires me to do more! Haven't been to the 'Zone' in a few weeks, but will this weekend. The only real head scratchers are the number of kills in such a small area, and the manner in which most are killed. Doesn't appear to be much tooth & claw used to kill most of the victims, and the whole scene just seems very out of place. It does not look like the work of a big cat either. The bodies all have signs of major bone dislocations; neck, spine, and legs, almost like they were pounded by something powerful.......a car, sledge hammer, or powerful large fists. I still haven't ruled out dumping of road kills - which would explain some of this - or poaching. One thing I have noticed of late, and ony because the ground has been wet for about a month, and ideal for leaving prints........the two large dogs/wolves have been leaving prints all over the area, and near the kill zone. When dry, which is most of the time, they wouldn't be leaving such obvious sign. They are REALLY making the rounds, and always the same two, probaly a male and his bitch! Don't think it would be them either though.

Also, and this is kind of freaky.......I had some guys approach me several years ago about putting some of my work on a Bigfoot documentary they were doing. They never finished it, and I totally forgot about it until one of my buddies said that he saw me on youtube talking about Bigfoot, and I said NO WAY! Well.....yes way. I searched, and sure enough there it was. These film dudes made a small deal for youtube I guess, and does show some of my other gear & opinions. If anyone is interested, check it out, and tell me what you think.......search 'Bigfoot, True Believer', on youtube, and I think the link will come up.

I see now where twisted necks are mentioned, road kill I would lean towards no mainly for the reasons you stated that it just wouldnt make sense to haul a dead animal more than 20' off the road. I would think a road killed deer would have shattered legs and ribs. Poachers dont make a whole lot of sense either there would be more evidence pointing towards them. Do you ever hear distant gunfire when you are out? Anyhow I've spent my two cents here, keep posting and I'll keep reading.

Hello all.......went on two hikes over the weekend, and one took me through the Kill Zone - no new arrivals. It is quite possible that my inquiry to the city sanitation department did 'solve the mystery' indirectly, we'll see, but not a whole lotta activity over there since my call to them approximately 6 weeks ago.

The rain continues, and keeping everything wet........lots of animal tracks. The huge 'dog' prints are all over, and probably were all along, just not enough rain normally to detect a patern, like now. There is also the tracks of a hog that must truly be a monster. Lordy, absolutely don't want to run across that bad boy. Forgot my camera that day, but will return to get some pictures of those.

Here's another large 'dog' print, a large poop pile with hair & bone, and another torn up old log.

I saw the video BigTex, and I thought it was very interesting! I do like the camera hat and a lot of your research techniques. I also think you might be correct on some of the capabilities of the big guy. It would explain a lot.

Is there anymore of the documentary video elsewhere?

Cheers,
jam


edit for spelling

Hey Jamin, I was surprised the short video was even out there. I have left two messages with the guys who made the video, but no call backs. They were planning an hour long documentary, and included other researchers as well. Maybe this was a teaser to gauge interest, who knows. If I ever get a hold of these guys, I will ask about anything further. There was some other cool footage they took I would use for sure. They hung with me for several days, including an overnight camping trip up on the Brazos River, in Palo Pinto County Texas, and is where I had my visual VERY close encounter.