Full Version: Another Blobsquatch?
I completely agree, Stacy. This is a good example of imagination and wishful thinking gone wild.
Pat B,
I have posted 3 different comparison photos.... post # 4 has a link to supporting photos, and post # 52 has 2 more taken at a different time. Here are 4 more of 17 that I found this morning of the same area at different times of the year. The rest are repeats of these or ones already posted. I took the photo on October 12th of last year and have not taken any photos since. I was back out there in November but could not see anything.
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I have posted 3 different comparison photos.... post # 4 has a link to supporting photos, and post # 52 has 2 more taken at a different time. Here are 4 more of 17 that I found this morning of the same area at different times of the year. The rest are repeats of these or ones already posted. I took the photo on October 12th of last year and have not taken any photos since. I was back out there in November but could not see anything.
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QUOTE(saycheez @ Jan 28 2009, 12:31 PM) 
Pat B,
I have posted 3 different comparison photos.... post # 4 has a link to supporting photos, and post # 52 has 2 more taken at a different time. Here are 4 more of 17 that I found this morning of the same area at different times of the year. The rest are repeats of these or ones already posted. I took the photo on October 12th of last year and have not taken any photos since. I was back out there in November but could not see anything.
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I have posted 3 different comparison photos.... post # 4 has a link to supporting photos, and post # 52 has 2 more taken at a different time. Here are 4 more of 17 that I found this morning of the same area at different times of the year. The rest are repeats of these or ones already posted. I took the photo on October 12th of last year and have not taken any photos since. I was back out there in November but could not see anything.
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You don't listen very well, do you. I said taken within days or hours .... NOT at different times of year.
You know exactly what you are doing. I don't believe you're this dense. And you know exactly what I'm saying too.
You are looking at shadows made between LEAVES ON THE TREES and after you "colour correct", but really darken until green looks like black, you're saying those shadows created by those same LEAVES ON THE TREES are juvenile sasquatches. Then the corroborating photos that you post have NO LEAVES ON THE TREES, because they're from "different times of the year".
Since the shadows in question are created by the overhanging leaves ... ah hell, you know exactly what I mean ....
You know what ... there's no point trying to talk sense to someone who doesn't have a frickin clue ....
Let me try this again since it never got answered.
saycheez, Do you feel like you are genuinely capturing images of sasquatch? Do you feel like when you're out there taking the photos you are photographing sasquatch? Can you tell that it is just light and shadow, leaves/stumps? Do you only see your "results" after youre home and looking on the computer? What are you seeing/hearing when you're actuallly taking these images?
I just want to be clear on what you feel like you are photographing here. Totally serious question.
saycheez, Do you feel like you are genuinely capturing images of sasquatch? Do you feel like when you're out there taking the photos you are photographing sasquatch? Can you tell that it is just light and shadow, leaves/stumps? Do you only see your "results" after youre home and looking on the computer? What are you seeing/hearing when you're actuallly taking these images?
I just want to be clear on what you feel like you are photographing here. Totally serious question.
Last year I was reading some of the threads over at Stan Courtney's forum. Saycheez started out there. Saycheez posted this statement months before he ever posted one of his pictures........" I hope to get a picture that gets everybody's panties in a wad".
So was that a prophetic statement? Did he already have plans at that point? Sure seems like a very telling statement in light of how things have been going.
Now I know people are wondering what my agenda is. It is to put here things about saycheez's pictures I have questioned ever since seeing them over at Stans. What better place to put them, than a thread set up to debate the merits of his pictures.
This is not about one picture or two pictures, this is about an out of control pattern of deception that up until now has not really been questioned. Sometimes Saycheez acts like he wants you to question him, Hell, he even Dares you to question him, then Gets overly sensitive when you start asking the hard questions.
So was that a prophetic statement? Did he already have plans at that point? Sure seems like a very telling statement in light of how things have been going.
Now I know people are wondering what my agenda is. It is to put here things about saycheez's pictures I have questioned ever since seeing them over at Stans. What better place to put them, than a thread set up to debate the merits of his pictures.
This is not about one picture or two pictures, this is about an out of control pattern of deception that up until now has not really been questioned. Sometimes Saycheez acts like he wants you to question him, Hell, he even Dares you to question him, then Gets overly sensitive when you start asking the hard questions.
I see his project like this; He came here saying that he knows that he does not have the smoking gun of a photo but he feels like there is promise in that area so he wants to keep trying and continue his project. He said, more or less, that he will show whatever he has so far and knows that they are not the best. If it's all bologna, who cares? I don't feel duped. Not too many people feel that there is a BF in the photos but at least he is trying.
If you doubt him, couldn't you just simply ask him to post the original next to the enhanced images? Or do you have to bash him like a scorn five year old until he leaves? Does he have the Holy Grail? no... Does anyone? no .... Should we bash everyone that is trying?
If you want to kill a thread, can't you go to the global warming thread in the general section and kill that one.
If you doubt him, couldn't you just simply ask him to post the original next to the enhanced images? Or do you have to bash him like a scorn five year old until he leaves? Does he have the Holy Grail? no... Does anyone? no .... Should we bash everyone that is trying?
If you want to kill a thread, can't you go to the global warming thread in the general section and kill that one.
Not trying to run anyone off from anywhere. Just presenting information. Here is his quote and time stamp:
Maybe one of us can come up with the next blobsquatch to get everyones panties in a knot
by saycheez
on Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:39 pm
Maybe one of us can come up with the next blobsquatch to get everyones panties in a knot
by saycheez
on Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:39 pm
QUOTE(cmanf @ Jan 28 2009, 02:10 PM)
...pattern of deception...
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QUOTE(Furious_George @ Jan 28 2009, 02:09 PM)
I see his project like this; He came here saying that he knows that he does not have the smoking gun of a photo but he feels like there is promise in that area so he wants to keep trying and continue his project. He said, more or less, that he will show whatever he has so far and knows that they are not the best. If it's all bologna, who cares? I don't feel duped. Not too many people feel that there is a BF in the photos but at least he is trying.
If you doubt him, couldn't you just simply ask him to post the original next to the enhanced images? Or do you have to bash him like a scorn five year old until he leaves? Does he have the Holy Grail? no... Does anyone? no .... Should we bash everyone that is trying?
If you want to kill a thread, can't you go to the global warming thread in the general section and kill that one.
If you doubt him, couldn't you just simply ask him to post the original next to the enhanced images? Or do you have to bash him like a scorn five year old until he leaves? Does he have the Holy Grail? no... Does anyone? no .... Should we bash everyone that is trying?
If you want to kill a thread, can't you go to the global warming thread in the general section and kill that one.
Questioning is one thing, I think this is overkill
I think Pat summed it up best when she essentially tossed her hands in the air and walked away...in the end, what can you do when someone is insistent that that cloud in the sky really IS Abe Lincolns face?
This is the official MABRC Investigation report that was done on Saycheez in 2007 when he first began "enhancing" photos. They posted it in the last few days, just found it today after the power came back on from the ice storm. I'm not carrying on a fued here from another site, I am posting it here to show Saycheez' credibility when it comes to his photos. For the bigfoot community to be able to provide proof that bigfoot exists, we can't flood blobsquatches out there and expect people to take us serious. The picture can't be manipulated in any form, and I agree with Pat, the minute you have to do anything with a photo in photoshop, it's worthless. There is even an article on Matrixing, where common shapes tend to be viewed and the mind tries to turn that into something that can be comprehended better. You want to see bigfoot in the picture, your mind will take certain shapes and have you seeing them everywhere.
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This research area was covered by Driveroperator after several reports of vocalizations in the general area, and after checking the area out, decided it could not support Bigfoot activity. He turned it over to Saycheez, so that Saycheez could get some field training in and start learning the ropes. Almost immediately, Saycheez began reporting activity on a level that was hard to believe. Not to mention some of the behavior patterns he claimed of the Bigfoot in that area were outlandish.
We are posting this information here, to distance ourselves from the outlandish claims being made for this area, as it originally was a MABRC Research Area. We in no way, endorse the claims being made here.
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The individual claims that the Bigfoot have gathered up corn stalks, took them to a tree and sat in the tree eating the corn, leaving a pile of several thousand stalks laying underneath the tree. This is bad research, making these claims, when farmers usually take the corn stalks after harvest time and dump them all in one location.
The individual also claimed that Bigfoot was coming up to his bait stations and taking the bait. At one time, he took Driveroperator down there to show him and this is what DO found.
This is a pic of the baiting area of the individual in question, the claims that bigfoot was taking the corn and eating it was hard to believe since the ground is a sandy mud type and you can see from the deer tracks here, that a bigfoot would have left it's tracks in this soil. DO took this pic while being escorted into the area by the researcher.
This pic shows the corn that was supposedly being shucked by bigfoot and the cobs left piled up neatly. DO seen nothing but deer tracks around them. This was the day he was escorted down there by the researcher in question.
More deer tracks leading up to the baiting station from the creek. No bigfoot tracks were seen anywhere.
The researcher seems to use telephoto lenses on his camera and take pictures at random with it from the road, then views them on a computer where he 'enhances' them and then claims to find Bigfoot in them.
Bottom line, MABRC has no affiliation with this individual or his current group and we present all this here to disavow any contact with them. We dispute their research as being credible based on their own words and work.
This was some of the last claims made by the researcher that had us scratching our heads in disbelief!
Please note!! These are the claims of the researcher about this area before starting Shadow Folks website, The MABRC has nothing to do with this researcher's claims.
1. Claim to have a picture of a bigfoot holding back an aggressive dog in Grapevine area.( when taking the picture he did not see it until viewing it on the computer, it was later proved to be a tree)
2. Pictures claimed of 3 Bigfoot holding down a Mountain Lion while a fourth Bigfoot sits nearby with a dearskin on, trying to pretend to be another animal.( later at the location, the researcher admitted it was tree roots across the creek he photographed, and again, he did see the bigfoot until viewing the picture later on his computer)
3. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a knife. (unable to validate, because he refused to allow the picture to be reviewed.)
4. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a human child with it's hand over it's mouth, in which the researcher believes they are kidnapping and interbreeding with. A quick check of missing persons reports in the area shows no child or even adult women have been reported missing in the area. ( we never saw the picture he claimed of the child being held by the bigfoot, He only claimed it was one he was working on)
5. Pictures of a Bigfoot funeral ceremony that was held inside a cave. (again, he would not allow us to validate his claim on this by producing a picture)
We are posting this information here, to distance ourselves from the outlandish claims being made for this area, as it originally was a MABRC Research Area. We in no way, endorse the claims being made here.
The area highlighted.
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The individual claims that the Bigfoot have gathered up corn stalks, took them to a tree and sat in the tree eating the corn, leaving a pile of several thousand stalks laying underneath the tree. This is bad research, making these claims, when farmers usually take the corn stalks after harvest time and dump them all in one location.
The individual also claimed that Bigfoot was coming up to his bait stations and taking the bait. At one time, he took Driveroperator down there to show him and this is what DO found.
This is a pic of the baiting area of the individual in question, the claims that bigfoot was taking the corn and eating it was hard to believe since the ground is a sandy mud type and you can see from the deer tracks here, that a bigfoot would have left it's tracks in this soil. DO took this pic while being escorted into the area by the researcher.
This pic shows the corn that was supposedly being shucked by bigfoot and the cobs left piled up neatly. DO seen nothing but deer tracks around them. This was the day he was escorted down there by the researcher in question.
More deer tracks leading up to the baiting station from the creek. No bigfoot tracks were seen anywhere.
The researcher seems to use telephoto lenses on his camera and take pictures at random with it from the road, then views them on a computer where he 'enhances' them and then claims to find Bigfoot in them.
Bottom line, MABRC has no affiliation with this individual or his current group and we present all this here to disavow any contact with them. We dispute their research as being credible based on their own words and work.
This was some of the last claims made by the researcher that had us scratching our heads in disbelief!
Please note!! These are the claims of the researcher about this area before starting Shadow Folks website, The MABRC has nothing to do with this researcher's claims.
1. Claim to have a picture of a bigfoot holding back an aggressive dog in Grapevine area.( when taking the picture he did not see it until viewing it on the computer, it was later proved to be a tree)
2. Pictures claimed of 3 Bigfoot holding down a Mountain Lion while a fourth Bigfoot sits nearby with a dearskin on, trying to pretend to be another animal.( later at the location, the researcher admitted it was tree roots across the creek he photographed, and again, he did see the bigfoot until viewing the picture later on his computer)
3. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a knife. (unable to validate, because he refused to allow the picture to be reviewed.)
4. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a human child with it's hand over it's mouth, in which the researcher believes they are kidnapping and interbreeding with. A quick check of missing persons reports in the area shows no child or even adult women have been reported missing in the area. ( we never saw the picture he claimed of the child being held by the bigfoot, He only claimed it was one he was working on)
5. Pictures of a Bigfoot funeral ceremony that was held inside a cave. (again, he would not allow us to validate his claim on this by producing a picture)
Wow...that's, errr, ummm....special, huh?
QUOTE(wickie @ Jan 28 2009, 07:56 PM)
Questioning is one thing, I think this is overkill
Haha that's all I'm saying.
I love the BFF because it's fun to read. I'll never use one post for scientific reference so I don't get too worked up over what is posted. If there happens to be something here that I think is bunk, I'll laugh a little, make a comment and move on. I try not to kill a mosquito with a cannon.
A quick question for the photo "altering" folks; Should the content of the 40 or so PGF threads here be dismissed because the film they are seeing here has been altered? Crystals into pixels = altering.
QUOTE(Furious_George @ Jan 28 2009, 06:55 PM)
A quick question for the photo "altering" folks; Should the content of the 40 or so PGF threads here be dismissed because the film they are seeing here has been altered? Crystals into pixels = altering.
Good question
QUOTE(wickie @ Jan 28 2009, 10:29 PM)
Good question
I must respectfully disagree with it being a good question(well..to be more precise, with it being a valid comparison).
In the various PGF frame edits, we at least have something recognizable as a subject to work with.
If saycheese had, for instance, produced a photo of a large upright hair covered "whatever" ...he'd then at least have something to consider.
Instead..we have photos of leaves and trees. Now, one valid comparison to the PGF film IS when people claim to see a bunch more BF in the trees in the background. I believe Bekjord was one who was good at that.
QUOTE(cmanf @ Jan 28 2009, 06:31 PM)
Not trying to run anyone off from anywhere. Just presenting information. Here is his quote and time stamp:
Maybe one of us can come up with the next blobsquatch to get everyones panties in a knot
by saycheez
on Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:39 pm
Maybe one of us can come up with the next blobsquatch to get everyones panties in a knot
by saycheez
on Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:39 pm
Why did you lie about where you got the pictures?
These pictures were taken when I returned, having left these food items and stuffed toys out at a site I had been working. I did not touch anything, this is how I found it. The corn had been removed from a blue tub and eaten, it was left in several piles beside the tub. The "squatch" doll was left on top of the corn in the tub, it was on top of the cobs when I returned. The mirror looked as if it had been handled and I put it away in an acid free container, it is still there. The nerf football had a number of bites taken out of it 
..... You can believe these guys if you want.
The pictures that he took are of a different area. The grass and foliage isn't the same.
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This last is that area taken the day I put them out.
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..... You can believe these guys if you want.The pictures that he took are of a different area. The grass and foliage isn't the same.
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This last is that area taken the day I put them out.
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What makes all of this so rich is that all of these accusations are coming from "Driveroperator" or "Fireman" or whatever he calls himself at the time.
He's been throwing half truths and out and out lies and every kind of accusation at me for nearly two years. I have never responded because when you do, with them, it never ends, they love to do this stuff. Everyone who is important to me in all of this knows the truth.
He's been throwing half truths and out and out lies and every kind of accusation at me for nearly two years. I have never responded because when you do, with them, it never ends, they love to do this stuff. Everyone who is important to me in all of this knows the truth.
Nightwing,
I asked that question to show that the word "alter" in photography can be used with a myriad of degrees instead of an absolute dismissal of authenticity, no matter the subject.
I asked that question to show that the word "alter" in photography can be used with a myriad of degrees instead of an absolute dismissal of authenticity, no matter the subject.
QUOTE(Furious_George @ Jan 28 2009, 04:09 PM)
If you want to kill a thread, can't you go to the global warming thread in the general section and kill that one.
QUOTE(saycheez @ Jan 28 2009, 11:46 PM)
These pictures were taken when I returned, having left these food items and stuffed toys out at a site I had been working. I did not touch anything, this is how I found it. The corn had been removed from a blue tub and eaten, it was left in several piles beside the tub. The "squatch" doll was left on top of the corn in the tub, it was on top of the cobs when I returned. The mirror looked as if it had been handled and I put it away in an acid free container, it is still there. The nerf football had a number of bites taken out of it ..... You can believe these guys if you want.
The pictures that he took are of a different area. The grass and foliage isn't the same.
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..... You can believe these guys if you want.The pictures that he took are of a different area. The grass and foliage isn't the same.
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This last is that area taken the day I put them out.
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Is it just me? Or could this have been done by any number of animals? I'm not understanding the significance in these pictures. Are you saying other animals could not have done these things? I guess I am just asking what makes this situation Bigfoot related? Ya know what I'm a sayin??
Other animals could have taken the corn out of the tub without turning it over and peeled the husks back like you or I would and eaten the corn and then laid most of the the discards in a pile. But what puzzled me was what took the bites out of the nerf football and spit them out as can be seen in the pics.....
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But that is not my point in putting them up, Driveroperator said in a post that was dragged over here from MABRC that those were pictures of my feeding area with deer tracks. I showed actual pictures of my feeding area to show that it was not in the location that he showed in the pictures he posted and I also posted some of these same pictures at Stan's site at the time. Driveroperator hoaxed the pictures he show at MABRC and I was showing evidence to that effect.
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But that is not my point in putting them up, Driveroperator said in a post that was dragged over here from MABRC that those were pictures of my feeding area with deer tracks. I showed actual pictures of my feeding area to show that it was not in the location that he showed in the pictures he posted and I also posted some of these same pictures at Stan's site at the time. Driveroperator hoaxed the pictures he show at MABRC and I was showing evidence to that effect.
QUOTE(saycheez @ Jan 29 2009, 02:11 PM)
Other animals could have taken the corn out of the tub without turning it over and peeled the husks back like you or I would and eaten the corn and then laid most of the the discards in a pile. But what puzzled me was what took the bites out of the nerf football and spit them out as can be seen in the pics.....
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But that is not my point in putting them up, Driveroperator said in a post that was dragged over here from MABRC that those were pictures of my feeding area with deer tracks. I showed actual pictures of my feeding area to show that it was not in the location that he showed in the pictures he posted and I also posted some of these same pictures at Stan's site at the time. Driveroperator hoaxed the pictures he show at MABRC and I was showing evidence to that effect.
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But that is not my point in putting them up, Driveroperator said in a post that was dragged over here from MABRC that those were pictures of my feeding area with deer tracks. I showed actual pictures of my feeding area to show that it was not in the location that he showed in the pictures he posted and I also posted some of these same pictures at Stan's site at the time. Driveroperator hoaxed the pictures he show at MABRC and I was showing evidence to that effect.
We can end the mystery of what bit the nerf ball with a DNA test. Surely that would leave some sort of evidence behind from biting out a chunk.
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Jan 29 2009, 06:38 PM)
We can end the mystery of what bit the nerf ball with a DNA test. Surely that would leave some sort of evidence behind from biting out a chunk.
My guess would be the test would come back showing it was a dog. My dog could eat a dozen of those things.
There would be DNA all over the freakin place. If saycheez is serious about all this then the proof is there. But I guess those darned DNA tests cost too much to solve this riddle. Ah nevermind. Just keep an eye out for some corny scat.
Hi
Those corn kernels look just as shinny coming out as they do going in ,
Peace
Tim
Those corn kernels look just as shinny coming out as they do going in ,
Peace
Tim
Ouch!! 
The day I took those photos I ran into a BF researcher at the site. He had come there without my knowledge or invitation. He had pieced together where it was at from info he had gathered from different sources, including two telephone calls to my elderly mother.
After a spirited discussion about whether he should be there, I tossed him the nerf football got in my van and left the site. I have not been back there since.
He has been bad mouthing me from that day forward to this. In order to justify hijacking a research area, he has chosen to "demonize" me and my work. I have refused to speak out until forced to on this thread. The charges have always been on MABRC's forum where I could not respond to them, which is more their style.
To continue to fight the accusations and character attack would IMO be a case of "he said, he said", which isn't something I want to do.
I will answer any questions I can about the pictures I've posted and my methods obtaining them.
After a spirited discussion about whether he should be there, I tossed him the nerf football got in my van and left the site. I have not been back there since.
He has been bad mouthing me from that day forward to this. In order to justify hijacking a research area, he has chosen to "demonize" me and my work. I have refused to speak out until forced to on this thread. The charges have always been on MABRC's forum where I could not respond to them, which is more their style.
To continue to fight the accusations and character attack would IMO be a case of "he said, he said", which isn't something I want to do.
I will answer any questions I can about the pictures I've posted and my methods obtaining them.
What surprises me here is Saycheez, like it was noted earlier, playing the victim card.
And now, trying to claim someone else is hoaxing to throw everyone off of you.
Do you deny that the pictures in the MABRC report are of your bait station in 2007? Seems to me, you put a lot of stock in Bigfoot going to your bait stations when there is plenty of proof to show that deer are the main culprit.
As for the nerf football, let's see, dogs, coyotes, coons, possums, armadillos and even field rats will chew on soft stuff like that, I've seen rats in the barn use foam off a nerf ball for nesting material.
So far, you've flipped flopped about a dozen times, first claiming you are not posting these here as being bigfoot, then turning around and claiming you are following a family unit in that area, and hinting strongly that the pictures are of them.
And now, trying to claim someone else is hoaxing to throw everyone off of you.
Do you deny that the pictures in the MABRC report are of your bait station in 2007? Seems to me, you put a lot of stock in Bigfoot going to your bait stations when there is plenty of proof to show that deer are the main culprit.
As for the nerf football, let's see, dogs, coyotes, coons, possums, armadillos and even field rats will chew on soft stuff like that, I've seen rats in the barn use foam off a nerf ball for nesting material.
So far, you've flipped flopped about a dozen times, first claiming you are not posting these here as being bigfoot, then turning around and claiming you are following a family unit in that area, and hinting strongly that the pictures are of them.
For the last 20 months I have been working in a different area. The two areas are 50 miles apart. The pictures I posted are of the bait station that driveroperator was at in my presence. He took pictures of a different location with deer tracks and posted them on MABRC where I could not refute it. The two locations don't even look the same. He lied.
Have you tried to register at the MABRC? I'm sure they would let you.
And as for lying
This was in your first post, yet in other posts, you claim you have better pictures.
The bait stations are clearly visible, now you claim you did go along with Driveroperator to your bait stations when earlier you claimed you didn't, that he went into the area without you.
That part of the MABRC report is backed up by your own words earlier in this thread. It shows clearly that the report itself has more credibility than you are trying to prevent it from having.
Now I'm getting confused, you said you escorted him into your area, in which he took pictures, but not of your bait station, when it clearly shows in those pictures, the bucket you were using to bait with. The pictures you are showing are of a new baiting area by your own words, so now you are twisting it around about the bait stations.
You also mentioned earlier that other folks know the credibility of your work, have they been into your area to view all this themselves, or are they relying on your word that this is happening.
Taking pictures of an area, without seeing anything there, then going back and spending hours looking at them on a computer trying to find bigfoot, enhancing them, and then posting them for comment and being outraged when folks question your integrity on what you are claiming, not only now, but in the past. You have to expect that people will critque what you are doing.
With what is expected to come out this year in Oklahoma, your pictures will be insignificant in comparison. If anyone is wondering, you should listen to the Bigfoot Field Guide Radio show, they had quite a show last night and it will explain what I mean.
Once again, you took him to your bait station and he was there in your presence, the pictures he took clearly show your bait station, how can he have lied about that when the pictures clearly show differently, that your bait station was overrun with deer tracks.
And as for lying
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These are the best I've been able to come up with as yet..... enjoy
This was in your first post, yet in other posts, you claim you have better pictures.
The bait stations are clearly visible, now you claim you did go along with Driveroperator to your bait stations when earlier you claimed you didn't, that he went into the area without you.
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I have indeed speculated with along with others about the possibility that BF and humans can inter-breed. It would explain a lot of the differences in appearance that are reported. I have read a number of accounts of kidnappings, some seem plausible.
That part of the MABRC report is backed up by your own words earlier in this thread. It shows clearly that the report itself has more credibility than you are trying to prevent it from having.
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But that is not my point in putting them up, Driveroperator said in a post that was dragged over here from MABRC that those were pictures of my feeding area with deer tracks. I showed actual pictures of my feeding area to show that it was not in the location that he showed in the pictures he posted and I also posted some of these same pictures at Stan's site at the time. Driveroperator hoaxed the pictures he show at MABRC and I was showing evidence to that effect.
Now I'm getting confused, you said you escorted him into your area, in which he took pictures, but not of your bait station, when it clearly shows in those pictures, the bucket you were using to bait with. The pictures you are showing are of a new baiting area by your own words, so now you are twisting it around about the bait stations.
You also mentioned earlier that other folks know the credibility of your work, have they been into your area to view all this themselves, or are they relying on your word that this is happening.
Taking pictures of an area, without seeing anything there, then going back and spending hours looking at them on a computer trying to find bigfoot, enhancing them, and then posting them for comment and being outraged when folks question your integrity on what you are claiming, not only now, but in the past. You have to expect that people will critque what you are doing.
With what is expected to come out this year in Oklahoma, your pictures will be insignificant in comparison. If anyone is wondering, you should listen to the Bigfoot Field Guide Radio show, they had quite a show last night and it will explain what I mean.
QUOTE(saycheez @ Jan 30 2009, 09:45 AM)
For the last 20 months I have been working in a different area. The two areas are 50 miles apart. The pictures I posted are of the bait station that driveroperator was at in my presence. He took pictures of a different location with deer tracks and posted them on MABRC where I could not refute it. The two locations don't even look the same. He lied.
Once again, you took him to your bait station and he was there in your presence, the pictures he took clearly show your bait station, how can he have lied about that when the pictures clearly show differently, that your bait station was overrun with deer tracks.
QUOTE(todtkaufman @ Jan 30 2009, 09:36 AM)
With what is expected to come out this year in Oklahoma, your pictures will be insignificant in comparison. If anyone is wondering, you should listen to the Bigfoot Field Guide Radio show, they had quite a show last night and it will explain what I mean.
Whoohooo!!!!!!!!!!!! More stuff to debunk!
P.S. I think this particular topic is about worn out...until new images are posted.
Todtkaufman,
Driveroperator went to my research area without my knowledge or permission. I caught him there. He followed me to the bait area that I pictured. The last I saw of him or it is when I tossed him the nerf ball and left. He took pictures of a different area and posted them on MABRC forum. He lied.
You sir are a hypocrite.
Did you make this claim and post this picture at Bigfoot Study Forum?
http://www.bigfootstudy.com/forums/index.p...opic,207.0.html
The bigfoot clan around my property uses one tree in particular to watch what goes on around the house and barn area, anytime someone goes up the hill towards them, they drop down and disappear. I've been told this is what is called a Sentinel
If you look close enough, you can see one in the tree, laying on the limb. (Big black area in the middle)
Click to view attachment
They asked you for a comparison? Did you provide it. Did you provide anything they asked for. If there are a clan of Bigfoots living at your farm, have you been able to back that claim up with some evidence?
I can't understand who you think you are to make a personal crusade out of throwing mud at me.
Driveroperator went to my research area without my knowledge or permission. I caught him there. He followed me to the bait area that I pictured. The last I saw of him or it is when I tossed him the nerf ball and left. He took pictures of a different area and posted them on MABRC forum. He lied.
You sir are a hypocrite.
Did you make this claim and post this picture at Bigfoot Study Forum?
http://www.bigfootstudy.com/forums/index.p...opic,207.0.html
The bigfoot clan around my property uses one tree in particular to watch what goes on around the house and barn area, anytime someone goes up the hill towards them, they drop down and disappear. I've been told this is what is called a Sentinel
If you look close enough, you can see one in the tree, laying on the limb. (Big black area in the middle)
Click to view attachment
They asked you for a comparison? Did you provide it. Did you provide anything they asked for. If there are a clan of Bigfoots living at your farm, have you been able to back that claim up with some evidence?
I can't understand who you think you are to make a personal crusade out of throwing mud at me.
Well, that's an interesting twist...This thread just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
Who needs reality TV?....pass the popcorn please. 
Yes, I did post that picture over at Bigfootstudy.com, with the words "possible" when trying to find someone to help research my area. Your friends, Ole Bub and Tehlaney's G'son sent me all kinds of pictures that I later found out were from Old Crow's property as they tried to convince me they should be let on my dad's property.
They then proceeded to bad mouth everyone in the bigfoot community, and I walked away from them. When I did, T G'son sent me a venomous e-mail for going with someone else and learning from them. From this other group, I learned that to post pictures like this did nothing for proof and I have not posted any others since then that does not show a clear cut animal that does not need to be enhanced. I learned my lesson there, but you have failed to learn any lesson here about posting blobsquatches and making claims that they are bigfoot.
And at least I didn't use photoshop on it to "enhance" it like you are doing with these pics.
The point being made here Saycheez, is that you have modified pictures in photoshop, which is a big no no, and been caught in your own tangle of lies concerning these pictures. And all you seem capable of doing, is throwing the blame off on others, instead of admitting it's wrong to do any modifying.
You wanted people to look, comment and debate on these pictures, yet when they do, you start playing the victim, even though you brought this upon yourself by making these claims and posting these pics.
I ask you again, since you still haven't answered it, you claim you have people that are close to you that knows the truth. How do they know you are telling the truth? Have they been out there with you to verify what you are claiming? And if they did, it would be great for them to come on here and speak up for you. The same is happening at my dad's property, I have two different groups trying to verify if there is anything going on, on my dad's property.
I am trying to verify my words, unlike you, who won't allow anyone to go into the area. Remember Thisisjack said he would be happy to travel to your location to verify things.
They then proceeded to bad mouth everyone in the bigfoot community, and I walked away from them. When I did, T G'son sent me a venomous e-mail for going with someone else and learning from them. From this other group, I learned that to post pictures like this did nothing for proof and I have not posted any others since then that does not show a clear cut animal that does not need to be enhanced. I learned my lesson there, but you have failed to learn any lesson here about posting blobsquatches and making claims that they are bigfoot.
And at least I didn't use photoshop on it to "enhance" it like you are doing with these pics.
The point being made here Saycheez, is that you have modified pictures in photoshop, which is a big no no, and been caught in your own tangle of lies concerning these pictures. And all you seem capable of doing, is throwing the blame off on others, instead of admitting it's wrong to do any modifying.
You wanted people to look, comment and debate on these pictures, yet when they do, you start playing the victim, even though you brought this upon yourself by making these claims and posting these pics.
I ask you again, since you still haven't answered it, you claim you have people that are close to you that knows the truth. How do they know you are telling the truth? Have they been out there with you to verify what you are claiming? And if they did, it would be great for them to come on here and speak up for you. The same is happening at my dad's property, I have two different groups trying to verify if there is anything going on, on my dad's property.
I am trying to verify my words, unlike you, who won't allow anyone to go into the area. Remember Thisisjack said he would be happy to travel to your location to verify things.
QUOTE(todtkaufman @ Jan 30 2009, 01:00 PM)
I learned that to post pictures like this did nothing for proof and I have not posted any others since then that does not show a clear cut animal that does not need to be enhanced.
So these pictures that show a "clear cut animal"...the animals shown are deer, squirrels, bunnies or ???
This is getting a little weird. My perspective (not being privy to the other forum thread) is that all of this bashing is a bigfoot researcher territorial dispute. I never thought I would ever type that phrase. Who will get the 15 minutes of fame? Who will get their crummy photo in a crummy DVD? Who will be the next Patterson/Gimlin? 
In this thread I wondered and asked over and over, Why all of the bashing? Can't you just go and move on? Now I'm starting to see why you can't. I'm starting to see why you guys have to try so hard to poke holes in something that really doesn't deserve that much attention.
This is all very silly.
In this thread I wondered and asked over and over, Why all of the bashing? Can't you just go
and move on? Now I'm starting to see why you can't. I'm starting to see why you guys have to try so hard to poke holes in something that really doesn't deserve that much attention.This is all very silly.
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Jan 30 2009, 02:32 PM)
So these pictures that show a "clear cut animal"...the animals shown are deer, squirrels, bunnies or ???
Of a bigfoot. In the open, no question what it is.
WOW! Really a Bigfoot right out in the open, no question?!?! You must be famous for producing such a picture! So what are you doing with the picture, selling it or ???
QUOTE(Furious_George @ Jan 30 2009, 03:08 PM)
This is getting a little weird. My perspective (not being privy to the other forum thread) is that all of this bashing is a bigfoot researcher territorial dispute. I never thought I would ever type that phrase. Who will get the 15 minutes of fame? Who will get their crummy photo in a crummy DVD? Who will be the next Patterson/Gimlin?
In this thread I wondered and asked over and over, Why all of the bashing? Can't you just go and move on? Now I'm starting to see why you can't. I'm starting to see why you guys have to try so hard to poke holes in something that really doesn't deserve that much attention.
This is all very silly.
In this thread I wondered and asked over and over, Why all of the bashing? Can't you just go
and move on? Now I'm starting to see why you can't. I'm starting to see why you guys have to try so hard to poke holes in something that really doesn't deserve that much attention.This is all very silly.
Yeah it is, I'm moving on. Saycheez can post his blobsquatches all he wants, it is inmaterial anyway.
QUOTE(DZ302 @ Jan 30 2009, 03:12 PM)
WOW! Really a Bigfoot right out in the open, no question?!?! You must be famous for producing such a picture! So what are you doing with the picture, selling it or ???
You misunderstood the message. I will not post a picture unless I get one of a clear cut bigfoot standing in the open.
QUOTE(saycheez @ Jan 30 2009, 01:51 PM)
Todtkaufman,
Driveroperator went to my research area without my knowledge or permission. I caught him there. He followed me to the bait area that I pictured. The last I saw of him or it is when I tossed him the nerf ball and left. He took pictures of a different area and posted them on MABRC forum. He lied.
You sir are a hypocrite.
Did you make this claim and post this picture at Bigfoot Study Forum?
http://www.bigfootstudy.com/forums/index.p...opic,207.0.html
The bigfoot clan around my property uses one tree in particular to watch what goes on around the house and barn area, anytime someone goes up the hill towards them, they drop down and disappear. I've been told this is what is called a Sentinel
If you look close enough, you can see one in the tree, laying on the limb. (Big black area in the middle)
Click to view attachment
They asked you for a comparison? Did you provide it. Did you provide anything they asked for. If there are a clan of Bigfoots living at your farm, have you been able to back that claim up with some evidence?
I can't understand who you think you are to make a personal crusade out of throwing mud at me.
Driveroperator went to my research area without my knowledge or permission. I caught him there. He followed me to the bait area that I pictured. The last I saw of him or it is when I tossed him the nerf ball and left. He took pictures of a different area and posted them on MABRC forum. He lied.
You sir are a hypocrite.
Did you make this claim and post this picture at Bigfoot Study Forum?
http://www.bigfootstudy.com/forums/index.p...opic,207.0.html
The bigfoot clan around my property uses one tree in particular to watch what goes on around the house and barn area, anytime someone goes up the hill towards them, they drop down and disappear. I've been told this is what is called a Sentinel
If you look close enough, you can see one in the tree, laying on the limb. (Big black area in the middle)
Click to view attachment
They asked you for a comparison? Did you provide it. Did you provide anything they asked for. If there are a clan of Bigfoots living at your farm, have you been able to back that claim up with some evidence?
I can't understand who you think you are to make a personal crusade out of throwing mud at me.
Thank you saycheez. For the entertainment. and uhm.... this is where I step out and giggle. Good luck with your photos dude. Remember to carry some garlic with you, it comes in handy.
peace
QUOTE(saycheez @ Jan 30 2009, 12:51 PM)
Todtkaufman,
Driveroperator went to my research area without my knowledge or permission. I caught him there. He followed me to the bait area that I pictured. The last I saw of him or it is when I tossed him the nerf ball and left. He took pictures of a different area and posted them on MABRC forum. He lied.
You sir are a hypocrite.
Did you make this claim and post this picture at Bigfoot Study Forum?
http://www.bigfootstudy.com/forums/index.p...opic,207.0.html
The bigfoot clan around my property uses one tree in particular to watch what goes on around the house and barn area, anytime someone goes up the hill towards them, they drop down and disappear. I've been told this is what is called a Sentinel
If you look close enough, you can see one in the tree, laying on the limb. (Big black area in the middle)
Click to view attachment
They asked you for a comparison? Did you provide it. Did you provide anything they asked for. If there are a clan of Bigfoots living at your farm, have you been able to back that claim up with some evidence?
I can't understand who you think you are to make a personal crusade out of throwing mud at me.
Driveroperator went to my research area without my knowledge or permission. I caught him there. He followed me to the bait area that I pictured. The last I saw of him or it is when I tossed him the nerf ball and left. He took pictures of a different area and posted them on MABRC forum. He lied.
You sir are a hypocrite.
Did you make this claim and post this picture at Bigfoot Study Forum?
http://www.bigfootstudy.com/forums/index.p...opic,207.0.html
The bigfoot clan around my property uses one tree in particular to watch what goes on around the house and barn area, anytime someone goes up the hill towards them, they drop down and disappear. I've been told this is what is called a Sentinel
If you look close enough, you can see one in the tree, laying on the limb. (Big black area in the middle)
Click to view attachment
They asked you for a comparison? Did you provide it. Did you provide anything they asked for. If there are a clan of Bigfoots living at your farm, have you been able to back that claim up with some evidence?
I can't understand who you think you are to make a personal crusade out of throwing mud at me.
Oh Brother! If this isn't calling the kettle black! I definitely see a BF hanging out in that tree!!
( I don't think so) QUOTE(cmanf @ Jan 30 2009, 01:35 PM)
Who needs reality TV?....pass the popcorn please.
cmanf,
I have asked several times and you have ignored my question. In post # 154 you wrote
QUOTE(cmanf @ Jan 25 2009, 01:21 PM)
I pulled these off of Saycheez website and looked at them.
That is not true, why would you say that? They did not come from my web site.
saycheez,
On the last page, some quite astonishing, one might even say absurd, things were previously attributed to you. You have not addressed this.
Regardless of the source, is this true or not?
Have you or have you not, at any time and to anyone, ever made any or all of the following claims?
On the last page, some quite astonishing, one might even say absurd, things were previously attributed to you. You have not addressed this.
Regardless of the source, is this true or not?
Have you or have you not, at any time and to anyone, ever made any or all of the following claims?
QUOTE
1. Claims to have a picture of a bigfoot holding back an aggressive dog in Grapevine area.
2. Pictures claimed of 3 Bigfoot holding down a Mountain Lion while a fourth Bigfoot sits nearby with a dearskin on, trying to pretend to be another animal.
3. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a knife.
4. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a human child with it's hand over it's mouth, in which the researcher believes they are kidnapping and interbreeding with.
5. Pictures of a Bigfoot funeral ceremony that was held inside a cave.
2. Pictures claimed of 3 Bigfoot holding down a Mountain Lion while a fourth Bigfoot sits nearby with a dearskin on, trying to pretend to be another animal.
3. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a knife.
4. Pictures of a Bigfoot holding a human child with it's hand over it's mouth, in which the researcher believes they are kidnapping and interbreeding with.
5. Pictures of a Bigfoot funeral ceremony that was held inside a cave.
Saycheez,
You are playing games with the truth of what you spread. You need to chat with your buddy Ol BUB, he is farming your work out for people to scrutinize with or without your approval. But that should not matter, where it came from, as long as it started with you.
But I will answer your question yes I got the pictures from YOUR web page,
http://naprg.com/gamecam02.html
Now I would like a retraction of you calling me a liar.
There are many more pictures I have seen that you change to whatever you like. One shows a pretty good looking blobsquatch with a face, muzzle, eyes etc.
then three posts later, you said it turned out to be a brush pile after someone questioned you about it. The only thing is, you debunked it AFTER you drew a face on it. Funny stuff over there at Stan courtneys forum.
The funny thing about Stan Courtneys forum, You cannot remove your posts. They are Stans property after posting. I am sure Saycheez would love to delete a lot of his early work/fraud over there.lol
why don't you post some of your early work?
You are playing games with the truth of what you spread. You need to chat with your buddy Ol BUB, he is farming your work out for people to scrutinize with or without your approval. But that should not matter, where it came from, as long as it started with you.
But I will answer your question yes I got the pictures from YOUR web page,
http://naprg.com/gamecam02.html
Now I would like a retraction of you calling me a liar.
There are many more pictures I have seen that you change to whatever you like. One shows a pretty good looking blobsquatch with a face, muzzle, eyes etc.
then three posts later, you said it turned out to be a brush pile after someone questioned you about it. The only thing is, you debunked it AFTER you drew a face on it. Funny stuff over there at Stan courtneys forum.
The funny thing about Stan Courtneys forum, You cannot remove your posts. They are Stans property after posting. I am sure Saycheez would love to delete a lot of his early work/fraud over there.lol
why don't you post some of your early work?
QUOTE(ThisIsJack @ Jan 30 2009, 11:26 PM)
saycheez,
On the last page, some quite astonishing, one might even say absurd, things were previously attributed to you. You have not addressed this.
Regardless of the source, is this true or not?
Have you or have you not, at any time and to anyone, ever made any or all of the following claims?
On the last page, some quite astonishing, one might even say absurd, things were previously attributed to you. You have not addressed this.
Regardless of the source, is this true or not?
Have you or have you not, at any time and to anyone, ever made any or all of the following claims?
All of the claims made in the past several pages are part of a personal dispute that involved myself, Driveroperator, Darren Lee of mabrc, and Ole Bub. Things that were talked about in private conversations or private emails, have been turned into claims that were made.
I ask a lot of questions and I kick things around with my partners. Everything that I have found that I believe is worth looking at or reading or listening to is on my website.
http://www.shadowfolk.com/
Can you find those things there?
Whoa.
To whoever took the picture, too bad you didn't have a telephoto lens. Or at least have taken an image that has more pixels.
You know, even I can do a better blobsquatch than that. Tada:
To whoever took the picture, too bad you didn't have a telephoto lens. Or at least have taken an image that has more pixels.
You know, even I can do a better blobsquatch than that. Tada:
Saycheez,
I have to admit something. Most would run and hide like a whipped dog, but you keep on fighting!
I have to admit something. Most would run and hide like a whipped dog, but you keep on fighting!
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