Several details from the Squatch Attack at Snelgrove are really bugging me:

1/ One of the camp staff claimed that he opened the bathroom door to discover that it was also trashed. Does this mean squatch entered the bathroom, ripped off the sink from the wall and decided to close the door before he left.

2/ The two so called Monsterquest experts discover a journal conveniently left at the cabin for them to find. Then it is revealed that the author of this document found a BF print nearby. Is it possible that someone deliberately planted the journal there for MQ to find.

3/ As a fellow BFF member pointed out, the cabin is not 200 miles away from the nearest population as the owner suggested, but only 10 miles away. However, it turns out that a dirt leading from the village airfield connects to part of the lake making it a 15 minute boat ride to get to the cabin without the need to portage. SEE MAP BELOW.

4/ If BF was pi$$ed at the people staying at the cabin and accounting for his massive muscular stature, why would he throw something so small. Is it possible that someone associated with the outpost company didn't want to damage the cabin by throwing anything bigger.


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Not exactly confidence building is it?

With the growing popularity of BF related TV shows, it makes sense (and money) for productions to do what they have to do to keep the mainstream heavily interested and wanting to tune in for more. And with dedicated BF enthusiasts, there will always be skeptical aspects of these programs that are more and more the results of productions trying to keep their audience coming back for more. I imagine, it will only get worse once BFRO gets their TV show. However, it's not all bad news....at least they're fun to watch. Pros and Cons.

Forgot the map showing the nearest village was only 8 miles from the cabin.

Would just like to point out another potential piece of evidence MQ totally overlooked. If the cabin had been trashed by a Sasquatch it would have left fingerprints everywhere! Surely the insurance company would have demanded at least a token police investigation and the RCMP would have dusted for prints as a matter of routine. Sasquatch dermal ridges are often a hot topic of conversation when it comes to authenticating footprints so it would be natural to assume they have fingerprints too.... The difference being that their fingerprints would be considerably bigger than ours and would stand out from the rest in a big way....

As an aftertought, they could also have checked the stones that landed on the roof for prints too using the much seen in CSI method of superglue vapor...

Perhaps they did this and the tests did not give the results they wanted fro dramatic content??? who knows.

Still, as documentries go, I for one thougt it was pretty good!

Huh?

come on Robert, you know. "inhale the glue see the prints"

works everytime.



dav

OK Dave, just put the bag down....

You mean these shows follow some sort of a script? Man, they really had me believing everything they presented on that show!

Sure, why not?



The journal was probably a journal left to be written in by different people who occupied the cabin to simply leave comments about their stay at the cabin. I once stayed at a rental suite that had a journal that past occupants had written comments in.



Did he say 200? I thought he said something more like 20.



Bigfoots don't intend to hurt humans when they throw rocks, they just do it to hopefully scare them away which was probably the BF's intent.

And I think the strongest arguement against the fact that this was a hoax was simply that Jeff Meldrum was with them. We all know how well respected he is, and its very unlikely that he would take part in a hoax like this.

It was 200. The camp owner then stated that because of this long distance, it would be impossible for anyone to get to his cabin.

Possible, but as someone who has gone on numerous remote lake pike fishing trips in Canada, I can say that some of the outpost cabins we have stayed in have had such journals... Groups that stay make entries... who they are, where they are from, when they were there, where they fished on the lake and what was working good for baits/lures, etc... So, it's not atypical to see a journal like that at such a cabin...



Monsterquest bending the truth??? No way, I don't believe it... The village, however, is the remote village of the Slate Falls First Nation tribe and not easily accessible by any means... Population of the Village is 120 people.

In Sasquatch Attacks II, I hope they interview some of the Slate Falls Tribal Elders... After all, it is the History channel and since the Tribe probably has the best historical human field knowledge of flora and fauna in the surrounding environs, it would be good to hear their take on the topic...

what about camara trap set aiming at the front of the cabin. Much more humane than a board with nails.

Hi

I am with ya on the board of nails, When i first heard of that i thought it was a pretty cruel way of doing things, It could easily cripple any animal for life, Now i know i don't have the experience that some might have when it comes to bears raiding cabins, But i think some stronger boards across windows and doors might do the trick unless Mr Bear can conjure up a battering ram style of attacking buildings, Nothing you can do about stopping Humans . . . .

Peace
Tim

Can't wait for sasquatch attack II I want to see the DNA test confirmations. Further more someone claimed they stayed in that cabin online and it has a huge history of bear attacks but he also said the cabin was like 200 miles away from everything else but whatever..could be a case of perception. Also a town with 120 people....do they have hospitals there if someone got injured from getting to close to sasquatch or anyone that would go 8 miles out of there way to play a hoax on someone. 8 miles...200 miles it's still DEEP in the wilderness ...I heard it's so dark at night there and I heard the forrest is so thick you can barley move around in it. I heard it's so thick and so dark that a crewman could not of gone in the woods to throw those rocks. The same person that claimed to visit that cabin also claimed the board with nails on it did not contain any stains of blood which was sceptical but it did contain the drawing of the footprint where they tried to conect all the stains of blood together to create the shape of the foot.

Someone made a good point about the fingure prints. There would be fingure prints...but I disagree that the insurance company would spend moe money to look for fingure prints ...they probably dismissed it as a bear which actually it probably was but was there any hair left in the cabin? That's sceptical if there wasn't any evidence left behind. A bear probably would have left claw marks or something to indicate what it was. It couldn't of been a human either cause how is a human going to create that damage without it being obvious that he or she used a tool to tear that place down like that. Also did they replace everything that was damaged? If they didn't replace everything and just fixed some things I wonder why Monster quest didn't think of trying to fingure print some stuff.

I think they should just attempt tranquilize the create with a firearms ahhahaha.

1) A photo of a sasquatch might be a neat bit of trivia, but it won't solve anything

2) Nailboards and screwboards are common cabin attachments on doors, windows, and decks in bear country, anyway, for obvious reasons

Edited to add: Even porcupines use such defenses............

While MQ definitely has to keep the interest and is obviously not beyond stretching things a bit,overall it is still an OK show that isnt afraid to admit when it comes up empty(unlike some researchers). They are returning to the cabin for the season finale at least that is what is scheduled. Meldrum,speaking on the recent edition of Crypto-Corner stated that the return was not as eventful as the first visit but that there was some interesting events that are worth watching. I am anxious to see it. I enjoy Monster Quest but we have to realise that it is a television show that MUST have ratings to get the funding to continue,so I dont mind a little stretching now and again just so long as they dont go overboard with it. Take care guys.

Jeff Meldrum is a trusted individual.

the owner gets to the cabin, ergo, it's not impossible to get there... or am I missing something?

No you're not missing anything...he also wants you and anyone else going to his cabin! I would too, it's called revenue.

The population of Slate Falls is actually closer to 259.

http://www.windigo.on.ca/slatefalls.htm

It would probably be safe to say a good portion of the population are bored teenagers.



He was trying to imply that because of the vast distance of 200 miles to the nearest town, it would be impossible for someone to get their without an aircraft. So he's trying to pin the blame of the trashed cabin on Squatch.

But as I pointed out above, there is a small village 8 miles away. Furthermore, the cabin is accesible by a 15 minute boat ride. In the winter, it'll probably be less than 10 minutes by snowmobile.

If you ask me, if teens did it, they'd do a whole lot more than trash the inside. They'd teepee the trees and spay paint phallic symbols and curse words on the walls. So trust me, coming from a fellow teen, teens would probably be a whole lot more creative than just trashing the inside.

It could have just been a local(s) that the owner angered, or someone that resents the owner for some unknown reason.

Having grown up in a small town, I know how much "outsiders" are resented by "locals", especially outsiders making money.

well good points are braught up about the town but the most interesting evidence is the DNA ...... if it can be duplicated over and over and if further test prove it's real DNA without a shadow of a doubt they just made history so lets hope all this s**t isn't just a laod of bullshit made up for this show. Lets hope it's real DNA.



I have a problem with the whole boad and nails thoery. A creature that used to walking around the woods thats probably almost as smart as human...I don't think it would step on a board with nails it would be used to looking where it walks cause s**t there's all kinds of s**t laying around in the woods.

And if you look at where the footprint is drawn on the board you'll see that it is on the side that is against the cabin wall, and the toes face the wall.
That means bigfoot stepped almost all the way over the board, but crushed his toes into the side of the cabin, and his heel went down onto the nails. Doesn't make a lot of sense. He would see the board, pick it up, and move it.

I also find it hard to believe that Bigfoot researchers would cower inside a cabin because a few rocks or pinecones are hitting it. I'd have my butt out that door in an instant, camera in hand, looking for the rock-thrower, as would most of the people on this board.

I had high hopes for MonsterQuest but have found it to be pathetic, and quite insulting to people who have a real interest in Bigfoot. Just because we believe in Bigfoot doesn't mean we're the bunch of inbred maroons the show's producers seem to think we are.

I think it is probably a pretty safe bet that if a Sasquatch was attacking the cabin it would be doing so at night and therefore it probably didn't see the nail board. No matter how good your nightvision is, tiny details like small spikes would be very difficult to make out.... especially to a creature not looking for or expecting them. Very much doubt it would make the same mistake again however!

That is true but a Bigfoot did not step on the MonsterQuest screw board. According to Meldrum's Sharpie outline only the heel and ball was supposedly on the board. The only way a Bigfoot could have stepped on the board in that fashion was to step on the board while it was walking out of the cabin.

Also take a look at how Meldrum draws the out line of the foot then look at the dramatization of how Bigfoot stepped on the board. They don't match. The dramatization show Bigfoot stepping on the board with the front of its foot, the heel hanging off the porch. That discrepancy alone proves that the program is not made intended for real enthusiasts nor is it intersted in serious research.

I guess a pigmy strain of the BF visited the cabin. How else would he fit through the door.

I saw this a couple weeks ago, but I think its possible that they just rotated the board to give the camera a better view. I think they were trying to show that BF was looking through that window (as many reports claim is common). Lets not get too caught up in the details here, like we've discussed this show is obviously designed for the casual crypto enthusiast.

My arguement with this episode is WHY did they decide to leave the day after they allegedly had rocks thrown at the cabin?
"Oh what was that?! Something threw a rock at the cabin!"
"Man, thats too bad. The plane is coming tomorrow. Guess we'll have better luck next time......"

The camera trap suggestion has already been mentioned, but that still boggles my mind. If you KNEW sasquatch had ransacked your cabin and you were inclined to believe he'd do so again, the camera trap seems to be the most obvious course of action. There are so many things they could have done to encourage an encounter that it was frustrating to watch them sit around hoping Sassy would stop by.

Why not use one of those sticky rat glue traps and not punish the poor things (much), then all you'd have to do is follow the hopping-footed bigfoot track
down the trail to homebase that is unless he reaches down and gets his hand stuck trying to undo the trap on his foot then all you'd
have to do is check out the creature rolling around in the fetal position.

Bigfoot is so freaking intelligent that he punched in the window so he could unlock the door from the outside. You'll also see that the door itself and the framing indicates the door was not forced open.

If you look closely at the B/W pic from the insurance video, you'll see the lock on the door knob along with the door window screen on the floor. In the lower photo, the indentation on the knob where the keyhole is can be seen.

color pic from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShsjDa-2u9I...feature=related at t = 2:45

B/W is from the 2002 insurance video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShsjDa-2u9I...feature=related at t = 3:36

Let's not get too caught up in the details? Well, there's a great idea. We look like idiots when we continue to overlook the details. I read the Bigfoot threads on JREF once in a while and they brutally beat the tar out of Bigfoot believers when we try to present evidence like the MonsterQuest screw board DNA and the Skookum cast. I'm sure Crow will support me on that.

So back to why the screw board DNA, and MonsterQuest, should be ignored.....
It doesn't make any difference if they rotated the board because Meldrum drew the heel on the board with the toes off the board. How does one step on the board in that fashion?
If Bigfoot was stepping towards porch he would need to step all the way over the board, crushing his toes crushed into the cabin wall or into the closed door.
If Bigfoot was coming out of the cabin he would again step over the board but not quite take a long enough stride and get his heel on the board. Ok this is possible, but how did he get into the cabin without moving the board so he could step on the board on the way out of the cabin???

I agree with you that MonsterQuest is

I don't appreciate the sarcasm first off.

Second, I was referring to the details of the show, not of the scientific study of sasquatch. Its the media after all, we're shown "perspectives" of reality (*cough* FOX News *cough*) so its highly unlikely skeptics would take anything on that show seriously anyway. Using a tv show created for entertainment purposes as "evidence" in your online debates is your own folly.

The JREF board is packed full of pseudo scientists who's only goal is to beat up anybody who exhibits any curiosity or openness to anything like sasquatchery.



Perhaps it's JREF that should be ignored?

Not surprisingly, many will actually do just that.

RayG

Working for a PD, I have callers all the time screaming to come "fingerprint the rock, like I saw on CSI"
Now for a murder I know my department would spend the money and time to get the "rock" to a lab.
But for a vandalism. Nope the budget would not allow the local cops to do that. I doubt the insurance company would go to the trouble either.
Now should MonsterQuest, well if they were on scene first you bet they should have spent the time and money.
But I think it was a year or two before the filming. I think if they could have been on scene first prints could have been found.

Even if they did check the rocks that were thrown, all that they would verify is that someone/thing with fingerprints had handled them. The fingerprint data would prove inconclusive. As much as I hate to think it, there is that possibility that it was some dude in the woods throwing rocks.

Someone said earlier:

"Surely the insurance company would have demanded at least a token police investigation and the RCMP would have dusted for prints as a matter of routine."

I agree with 911Guy. Nobody fingerprints for a robbery, let alone for vandalism. The costs of an mobile investigation team, even just one person, plus the crime lab time and costs, are very high. This would not be worth it.

I have no absolutely no interest in whether or not you appreciate sarcasm but it's nice to know we agree that MonsterQuest should have a huge disclaimer on it that says, "For Entertainment Purposes Only".

The big issue is why Meldrum would get suckered into 'perfoming' on such a program.

He could always duck if he actually was/is taller than 6ft. If he wants to make it through that door he will regardless of his height.

I think hardcore BF believers are giving him too much credit. The tards at MQ forgot to edit out the insurance video footage of the front cabin door. Unless BF has extremely dexterous hands and knowledge of door looks enabling him to reach in to unlock it after punching the door window, me thinks it was humans from the nearby indian village. Which MQ and the owner forgot to mention. And remember, whoever ripped the sink off the wall also decided to close the bathroom door before vacating the cabin.

The more he engages in crap like this the less credible he becomes.

Bingo- theres no other way to call it

LoL... well, around here, you'll survive better if you get used to it.



so, you don't like sarcasm but taking a shot at Fox News is peachy? Ahhhh... now I got ya'.

I guess I am showing my age, I remember Eddie Murphy doing that in Beverly Hills Cop 2 way before CSI.

Kinda like the Ga Boys website?

Unfortunately, it is TV. If nothing happens, viewers quit tuning in. Its not just MQ, every BF related show I can remember has a last second "encounter", rock throwing, tree across path, noise in the woods(not caught on tape of course), blobsquatch in the distance, fingerprint on the car....We should all get used to it because it will probably get worse before it ever gets any better.

Lets see.... business is a little slow. We've got a cabin out in the middle of almost nowhere. We have a journal that mentions a bigfoot footprint. Get a show to come out and voila! cabin is booked through the next two years!

Another point that bothered me was the fact that Disotell found no DNA at all, and then Wait! there was an inhibitor, the galvanizing on the screws - there was DNA after all, and it's almost human and almost ape. HMMMMMM
I would like to hear that the samples were scrutinized by more peers and that galvanizing can completely inhibit DNA and then can actually be singled out from the sample to expose the hidden DNA. If all that came back A-OK then great, I believe.

A video I created on YouTube that summarizes all the BS.

It includes that fat guy who had that BS feeling of constantly being watched and his 2nd hand story of the cabin being shaken by squatch.

Debunking MonsterQuest Sasquatch Attack

Just wanted to congratulate BF Fence Sitter. That was a pretty impressive piece of work you did there
I am not totally convinced either way but I thought you made some pretty compelling arguments! Nice one Dude!

good job