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EastonGarden
Interesting article I haven't found posted here yet (apologies if it has, I did a search and didn't see anything):

discovery.com
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Insecure Minds Wired for Pattern-Finding

Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News

Oct. 2, 2008 -- A perfectly healthy human mind can trick itself into seeing things that are not there, and new research has exposed exactly the sort of conditions under which that happens.

It turns out that the less control a person feels, the more likely they are to see patterns or make connections that don't exist. The good news is there is a way to fortify yourself against this sort of hard-wired self-deception.

"It's true that having control is a big thing for most people," said researcher Adam Galinsky of Northwestern University. Galinsky is a co-author of a paper reporting on new experiments into the matter, which appears in the Oct. 3 issue of the journal Science. "We showed that it's a very significant problem."

Previous research had hinted at the details of the strange human habit, said Galinsky. A study in the 1970s showed how during hard economic times people read more astrology books and columns (astronomy reading was unchanged, for comparison). There is also evidence that UFO sightings ramp up in times of high national stress.

These phenomena are probably related to that found by Galinsky and lead author Jennifer Whitson of the University of Texas, Austin, under controlled conditions in the lab.

Whitson and Galinsky designed six experiments in which some people were made to feel a lack of control and others were not. Then they measured the subjects' perception of images in pictures that contained both hard-to-see patterns or no pattern at all. In another experiment, the researchers tested how people perceive patterns in stock prices.

Overall, the researchers found that the subjects who were made to feel less control perceived significantly more illusory patterns or connections.

"Having a sense of control has a wide variety of adaptive advantages," Whitson told Discovery News. "Not only are people who feel in control less likely to see things that aren't there and end up chasing ghosts, but there are also a wide variety of health and societal benefits."

When people feel in control of a medical procedure, for instance, they've been shown to recover more quickly, Whitson said. When people feel in control they can also endure longer and more intense pain.

"This is the first study I've seen that really ties the lack of control to pattern perception," said Benjamin Radford, a science-based paranormal investigator for the Center for Inquiry and editor of Skeptical Inquirer magazine. "A lack of control leads a lot of people to superstition."

Rubbing a rabbit's foot, knocking on wood or wearing only a certain "lucky" shirt to a casino are all examples of superstitions that give people a better sense of control, Radford explained, to offer a few harmless examples.

Conspiracy theories and even political exploitation of this quirk in human perception could be more serious. Disproven and illusory political concepts such as the idea that immigration is harmful to the U.S. economy or that Saddam Hussein was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks find fertile ground in minds that are feeling less and less secure, said Galinsky.

Fortunately, Whitson and Galinsky have also found that when their subjects underwent "self-affirmation" exercises to give them a better sense of control and security, the illusions went away.

"Feeling secure is part and parcel of feeling in control," Whitson explained. "When people can affirm the self they are less likely to underperform in the face of negative stereotypes, to act defensively or aggressively or prejudicially."

In fact, feeling secure by self-affirmation reduces all sorts of defensive thoughts and behaviors. Even some psychotherapy is based on this idea.

"Give a person a sense of security and control, and defensiveness and obsessiveness melt away," said Whitson.

On the more spectacular UFO, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster level, however, the bottom line is even more straightforward.

"The take-home message is that just because we perceive something," said Radford, "it doesn't mean it's really there."
I suggested this as a topic for BIPcast, btw. Thoughts?
Ilikebluepez
Well if this is true then the stock market should produce loads and loads of "sightings" within the next couple of weeks!

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But you gotta wonder about people who produce patterns that look like bigfoot. Not usually on regular peoples radar. Maybe the pattern recognition may enable a few people to see things that are really there that they would have just blown off as "whatever" or "nothing" when they were feeling "large and in charge". The kind of a heightened "flight or fight" awareness level that may be produced by feelings of economic uncertainty.

So, some patterns are unreal. Got it. Some people see patterns where there are none. Got it. People see more patterns in times of uncertainty. Got it. So did all of your ancestors. Successfully I might add, or you would not be here to read this.

So some of the patterns are nothing. Got it. But some of the patterns are really real things that are happening. I could reference dozens (thousands) of examples of people who escaped just in the "nick of time". By recognizing the pattern of what was happening. Be it an earthquake or a "bad vibe" from that "tribe over there" they navigated safely to further go on to produce "US" by using these heightened senses of pattern recognition. But I'm lazy, no links, no examples. Ask your grandpa about a time he got the family safe. Guess it's all a question of heightened awareness that makes survival more likely. Heightened awareness lends itself to pattern recognition. Or else.

So it's kind of an apples and oranges thing.

I believe these critters aren't really hiding all that hard, and loads and loads of people have seen them and just not recognized them. They use the "look at me, I'm a tree!" to their benefit. Hiding in plain sight. If more people looked at "funny looking burnt snags", and really looked at them then who knows what we will find.....So I'm all for recognizing the patterns....
EastonGarden
Reading through many postings here and on other boards, there seems to be a common thread with the more sensational, repeat sightings that many claim to have. One individual in particular comes to mind, but there are several that I am aware of that post on Bigfoot or cryptid-related forums regularly.

The back story is usually some sort of life trauma, addiction, epiphany, revelation, etc., precisely the type of event described in the aforementioned article. It could be just this type of stressor or anxiety that manifests as bigfoot, grays, sea monsters, faeries, etc.

As psychological case studies, they are fascinating.
Data
It´s nothing new. At least not in the BF context. Just watch Destination Truth on the scifi channel or read the Bfro expedition reports. Such class B encounters or social patterns as well as political implications all have the same in common, they aren´t evident enough to being called true.

It´s quite simple if you feel unsecure/unpleasent or even desperate your brain tries to catch up and by that puts down the threshold. With something special on your mind your brain is actualy searching for the pattern in mind. Misidentification is common in such a state as your brain tries to drive you out of the situation which in ancient times meant get the hell out of there. Is today find the problem in the system.

But why someone who feels saver at night in the woods (lots of times heavely armed) than at home and with the believe that BF lives next to Santa Claus, should generate the BF pattern no one can answer. Not even considering the sigthings where such people encounter BF at daytime!

And to end this debate, it would be very far fetched, but the only logic solution, that the people who see BF by telekinesis generate the tracks. This theorie doesn´t hold any water.
nightscream
Its kind of a stretch if you ask me.

Another article for hardcore skeptics to use to try and explain sightings as being something other than what they are, the 800 poun gorilla in the room so to speak.

Another idea that is easy for someone in a room sitting at a computer to cling on to.

But for that guy who had to swerve his car out of the way to avoid hitting a sasquatch he's probably not buying.
Robert
QUOTE(nightscream @ Oct 8 2008, 10:57 PM) *
Its kind of a stretch if you ask me.

Another article for hardcore skeptics to use to try and explain sightings as being something other than what they are, the 800 poun gorilla in the room so to speak.

Another idea that is easy for someone in a room sitting at a computer to cling on to.

But for that guy who had to swerve his car out of the way to avoid hitting a sasquatch he's probably not buying.


That's exactly what I thought too. It does not explain those types of sightings or experiences that happen unexpectedly and in broad daylight.
EastonGarden
Nonetheless, something to consider when reading through sighting reports.

I also wonder why a small but vocal percentage people who have BF sightings tend towards the paranormal, telepathy, UFO, pan-dimensional end of the spectrum when it comes to this subject. Any thoughts on this?
Robert
QUOTE(EastonGarden @ Oct 9 2008, 09:25 AM) *
Nonetheless, something to consider when reading through sighting reports.

I also wonder why a small but vocal percentage people who have BF sightings tend towards the paranormal, telepathy, UFO, pan-dimensional end of the spectrum when it comes to this subject. Any thoughts on this?


Not sure I understand your question.

Are you asking why a small percentage of sightings are claimed to be of paranormal origin by very vocal people who shout from the mountain tops?

Maybe they're schizophrenics.
Bobby Orangeboom
QUOTE(Robert @ Oct 9 2008, 08:19 AM) *
That's exactly what I thought too. It does not explain those types of sightings or experiences that happen unexpectedly and in broad daylight.


Agree Robert. From how i see it, it's either one of 3 things :

1 ) Real sightings of an unidentified N American Primate.

2 ) Hallucination which this thread falls into possibly.

3 ) Down right blatant lying...

The below Report for example, for me, cancels out number 2, as does the PGF.. coverlaugh.gif

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=24631

It doesn't cancel out 1 or 3 though although as Easton says, it does give food for thought, which plenty of us appear to have had lately anyway, when viwing Sighting Reports....
vilnoori
The vast majority of people who are in a position to get a sighting, ie, out in the woods, or driving country roads, are VERY secure people. The mentally unstable ones are the ones locked in at home, afraid to go out of doors in case they get hit by a car. The only thing woodsy people are more prone to do, it seems, is drink beer in groups. lol

Humans are great at pattern recognition, period. But for most people a sasquatch is not even a given. Their minds don't even have that pattern in the first place! They just think it is a bear up on two legs, or a hallucination (gotta cut back on the drinking, they might think). In the case recently in June here in Chilliwack, the guy who had a sighting said it was a big hairy 7 ft. tall extremely well built man. He didn't even think sasquatch until his wife suggested it to him. He's still not convinced that Sasquatch exists, he thinks some naked hairy weight lifter was climbing the steep mountain side at 2 AM in the morning. It fits his paradigm, or world view, better to believe that.

My daughter at the age of 12 had a sighting of something, she went out on the back deck to see what the dog was barking at and saw a big black fuzzy manlike figure in the yard close to the house get startled and instantly disappear. She doesn't think it was a sasquatch (though I think it might have been), she says it was a "spook." Same thing.

People who have sightings and are able to break out of their paradigm to consider the possibility that Sasquatch exist start to wonder what other things might be real that have not previously been part of their belief system. So they start examining accounts of of the paranormal like ghosts, aliens, etc. and asking questions. There's nothing wrong with asking questions, is there? I think it is healthy (not schizophrenic) to think outside the box, to question the paradigms that society feeds you. Make up your own mind, I say.
Data
QUOTE(EastonGarden @ Oct 9 2008, 03:25 PM) *
Nonetheless, something to consider when reading through sighting reports.

I also wonder why a small but vocal percentage people who have BF sightings tend towards the paranormal, telepathy, UFO, pan-dimensional end of the spectrum when it comes to this subject. Any thoughts on this?


If I understand you wright your are talking about people also believing in the above mentioned, but not people who have seen BF in combination with UFOs etc.

In this case its quite simple, people of such believes doesn´t think twice to report their sighting. They don´t care the ridicule others are often affraid of.
EastonGarden
QUOTE(vilnoori @ Oct 9 2008, 01:54 PM) *
Humans are great at pattern recognition, period. But for most people a sasquatch is not even a given. Their minds don't even have that pattern in the first place!


BF is now a part of our collective pop-culture national psyche. Which is why people make sightings reports. Their brains tells them they saw a sasquatch. Which brings me to this:

QUOTE(vilnoori @ Oct 9 2008, 01:54 PM) *
My daughter at the age of 12 had a sighting of something, she went out on the back deck to see what the dog was barking at and saw a big black fuzzy manlike figure in the yard close to the house get startled and instantly disappear. She doesn't think it was a sasquatch (though I think it might have been), she says it was a "spook." Same thing.


This is my point exactly. Had she been exposed to more images of BF like someone in their 40s, maybe she would have said BF. I don't think belief systems have anything to do with it. It's subconscious. BUT that's just my opinion.

I am enjoying this thread so far.
Data
QUOTE(EastonGarden @ Oct 9 2008, 10:42 PM) *
BF is now a part of our collective pop-culture national psyche. Which is why people make sightings reports. Their brains tells them they saw a sasquatch. Which brings me to this:
This is my point exactly. Had she been exposed to more images of BF like someone in their 40s, maybe she would have said BF. I don't think belief systems have anything to do with it. It's subconscious. BUT that's just my opinion.

I am enjoying this thread so far.


If it comes to subconsciousness than someone might ask if the hairyman is a pattern we are born with. There were threats about that idea as the fear people get if they encounter BF is second to none in most cases. This also would render Child sightings non evident.

But how can this be a solution to such stories/happenings: Living together
dogu4
Very interesting discussion.
Are they hallucinations if one doesn't actually see a BF but merely senses it, or something like it? I recall reading last year of a clinical neurological experiment where specific areas of subjects' brains were stimulated using some sort of electronic device and when a certain area common to the human brain's structure was targetted these subjects would report the unmistakable feeling that a sinister entity was actually lying on the examination table right besides them or hovering near them and even though the subjects realized it was probably due to the nature of the experiment, the sensation persisted. After the stimuli was stopped they said the sensation was no longer felt. It was speculated that tumors or trauma to that part of the brain might be producing similar sensations of dread in some individuals who reported similar unescapable feelings and who'd been hospitalized and diagnosed as being psychotic.
The implications were pretty interesting from the point of view of witnesses dependability in determining the reality of what they experience.
I wonder if our other sensory systems can experience these phantom sensations without our being aware of it, such as with smell or hearing, or other conceptual ideations.
Ilikebluepez
Well I would ask how is the stimulation of the brain delivered?

Could sound waves produce a similar effect?
Data
QUOTE(Ilikebluepez @ Oct 11 2008, 04:55 AM) *
Well I would ask how is the stimulation of the brain delivered?

Could sound waves produce a similar effect?


Yes Soundwaves can cause simular effects. There are frequences where people get afraid, sexualy stimulated, confusion or happy. How big this effects are, I don´t know. But at least there is a tone or chord that always gets me goose bumps. At least that can be called a strong effect.

The big problem with such kind of "mind control" is that such studies aren´t publicly available. It´s a military´s world, although some advertising firms use this technology. There where two experiments (thought to be just a joke) where two german radio stations send out such sounds. Once at new years eve a "happy tone" and once a "sex tone". Did it work, that depends on if you just want to believe. Studies weren´t made.
3footthick
I think all minds are wired for pattern finding, not just insecure minds. Leonardo DaVinci was big on this - finding faces in stone floors, etc.
You can find faces in trees and brush as well.
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