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RiverRun
How much would you pay to see a REAL body of a bigfoot/sasquatch, and be able to examine it closely after you are given some presentations and photos to take home. You would be allowed to video tape, take any photos you wish, take a small sampling of hair, blood or tissue sample with you for DNA testing(from a mid thigh area or other non important spot)


The time allowed with the body would be limited to 10 minutes in small groups of 3-4 people at a time. (closeup view that is the "hands-on" part, the general viewing area would be setup so everyone could see from a distance while others examine so you could take photos/video with zoom lens)


The entire presentation would last 3 hours, and you would leave with the samples of hair (limited to 5 hairs with follicle) and blood or tissue sample (limited to sample just enough to get a legitimate DNA test) and the experience of hands on a real bigfoot sasquatch, as well as any notes/photos/videos you take while there.


Just how much would you pay for the opportunity?



A one time event, for the "public". Several other well noted (pre-picked) scientists would proceed with mri scans and then dissection with samples of organs and what it may have been feeding on, what maybe the eye sight capabilities may have been (judging from the eye features and optical nerves etc) along with a lot of other questions that lay un-answered.



A one time event, before dissection occours.



5000?

3000?

5 bucks?

nothing at all.... you'd be disgusted at the thought.
RiverRun
Forgot to add, you could also witness the dissection if you wished for an addtional charge of 5000 (and video tape it/photo it)


I'd love to hear opinions about what would ultimately be the case, should it happen.
rockinkt
To me - it would depend on the exclusivity. Why would I pay a lot of money for something that many people could do?

If you limited it to say 20 people - I would be willing to pay at least $10,000 to be part of that select few.
10 people - $20,000.

I would take advantage of the offers of a hands on investigation of the body. I would subject the creature to the same examination I would do if I were investigating a murder. I would take the same type of photos.
I would also take advantage of such samples as were allowed.

No "trophy" poses, please. If such were the case - it would make a travesty of the whole situation and I would not be a part of such a distateful display.

As far as the autopsy - NO THANKS. Never did like them and don't see any reason to be there for a BF. Just send photos and report.
RiverRun
I would think the news/media would be willing to pay exorbitant amounts to have people there (thats the sad part, it would be so much more profitable to have some big media frenzy, than to have people genuinely examining the body to write scientific journals etc. I would expect offers of 25,000 and upwards to 100,000 for exlusivity. (by networks, or cable channels) 10,000 would be a bargain in my opinion. (for an individual)

Think of how much money individuals have already spent, trying to obtain a small video, or photographic encounter. (thermal equipment, video, travel, events) With this ONE single event, you could have what many people have invested already and more to experience it closeup. Not far away blip on a video or obscure trail camera photo.


I agree the examiners should be limited, but maybe to something like 30.
gorillagirl
Me personally, nothing, because I know that I would eventually get access as a professional.
hopeful
Personally, I wouldn't want to see it under those circumstances. I would prefer to wait for somebody (Bill Munns?) to make an exact replica for a museum, and then, depending on my income at the time, I would pay as much as I could possibly afford to see that.

I suspect if limited viewing priviledges as you described, RiverRun, were put up for auction on Ebay or someplace similar, the bids would easily get up into the millions.

edit to add: Hey, you don't have a bigfoot body do you, RR?
RedRatSnake
Hi

I would not be interested in paying anything to see a BF close up like that, To me just the realization that it is a real animal would be good enough, I could wait for some pictures to filter down onto the Forum

Peace
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Ace!
$20 if it was limited to maybe a hundred people. If you limited it to twenty to fifty people I'd pay, maybe, $50.
Ilikebluepez
The only reason I would want a body is to prove the existence of this creature. So it can IMMEDIATELY be placed on the endangered species list.

As I hope that this information will become available shortly after the viewing then I would be willing to pay Nothing just to look at it. There are thousands of reports of people who have seen this creature alive in it's environment and it doesn't really matter to me if I am among the first to view a "verifiable" dead creature. Sad to see a dead primate. Icky.

Now, if you ask me to donate to a fund that is entrusted to secure privately held forest lands for habitat, then maybe I'll open up my wallet.

Edit for spel. I bad spel lots. Go go Mozilla!
Sean V
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Oct 4 2008, 12:54 AM) *
How much would you pay to see a REAL body of a bigfoot/sasquatch, and be able to examine it closely after you are given some presentations and photos to take home. You would be allowed to video tape, take any photos you wish, take a small sampling of hair, blood or tissue sample with you for DNA testing(from a mid thigh area or other non important spot)
The time allowed with the body would be limited to 10 minutes in small groups of 3-4 people at a time. (closeup view that is the "hands-on" part, the general viewing area would be setup so everyone could see from a distance while others examine so you could take photos/video with zoom lens)
The entire presentation would last 3 hours, and you would leave with the samples of hair (limited to 5 hairs with follicle) and blood or tissue sample (limited to sample just enough to get a legitimate DNA test) and the experience of hands on a real bigfoot sasquatch, as well as any notes/photos/videos you take while there.
Just how much would you pay for the opportunity?
A one time event, for the "public". Several other well noted (pre-picked) scientists would proceed with mri scans and then dissection with samples of organs and what it may have been feeding on, what maybe the eye sight capabilities may have been (judging from the eye features and optical nerves etc) along with a lot of other questions that lay un-answered.
A one time event, before dissection occours.
5000?

3000?

5 bucks?

nothing at all.... you'd be disgusted at the thought.



Nothing.

And not because of disgust either.
hopeful
QUOTE(Sean V @ Oct 4 2008, 08:45 PM) *
Nothing.

And not because of disgust either.


Sean, because of what?
Sean V
Because I would not pay anything to gaze upon the corpse of dead animal. Its not worth my time or my money.
RiverRun
QUOTE(gorillagirl @ Oct 4 2008, 05:46 AM) *
Me personally, nothing, because I know that I would eventually get access as a professional.


Do you mean the results and findings of others? or access to the body itself?


QUOTE(hopeful @ Oct 4 2008, 11:52 AM) *
Personally, I wouldn't want to see it under those circumstances. I would prefer to wait for somebody (Bill Munns?) to make an exact replica for a museum, and then, depending on my income at the time, I would pay as much as I could possibly afford to see that.

I suspect if limited viewing priviledges as you described, RiverRun, were put up for auction on Ebay or someplace similar, the bids would easily get up into the millions.

edit to add: Hey, you don't have a bigfoot body do you, RR?


Unfortunately, I think members of the press and maybe some cable/documentary people would pay quite a bit to document such a thing. (instead of the scientists that would be most interested)

If I had a body, I wouldn't be letting is decay further before presenting it to someone icon_razz.gif

However, if I did have a body I could see doing something like this with it in order to 1, get exposure for the species, and support/protection along with all that publicity. I'd also do it to cover my costs in finding/researching and furthering my studies.


QUOTE(Ilikebluepez @ Oct 4 2008, 09:34 PM) *
The only reason I would want a body is to prove the existence of this creature. So it can IMMEDIATELY be placed on the endangered species list.

As I hope that this information will become available shortly after the viewing then I would be willing to pay Nothing just to look at it. There are thousands of reports of people who have seen this creature alive in it's environment and it doesn't really matter to me if I am among the first to view a "verifiable" dead creature. Sad to see a dead primate. Icky.

Now, if you ask me to donate to a fund that is entrusted to secure privately held forest lands for habitat, then maybe I'll open up my wallet.

Edit for spel. I bad spel lots. Go go Mozilla!



Yes, someone finally gets it. ;-)

If you donated to me a sizable amount to assist in buying private forested areas, I'd surely be thankful new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif


Seriously though, i know what you mean... and I think that kind of funding would come easily should a body be produced (from many sources) However, without a body? Not so easy.


QUOTE(Sean V @ Oct 5 2008, 11:17 PM) *
Because I would not pay anything to gaze upon the corpse of dead animal. Its not worth my time or my money.



Yeah, anything dead is unpleasant. This would literally be the find of the century. I think a lot of individuals would be willing to fork out for it. It would definitely make some waves in current science as well.
Sean V
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Oct 5 2008, 09:59 PM) *
Yeah, anything dead is unpleasant.


Unpleasant? I said nothing about that.

I, personally, would just not pay to gaze upon a dead animal. It seems kind of pointless.
jamin19
From RiverRuns's original scope, I would think the media would be very interested in that offer. I would think that they may pay somewhere in the $200,000-$300,000 range for the initial presentation. We are only talking of a hand full of media outlets that would consider the offer and the exclusivtivety of that would justify that cost, in thier eyes.
As far as the autopsy is concerned, I would think that an exclusive offer to one of the media outlets interested could net into the $1 million-$2 million range.
Of course this would only work if you actually had a body! RiverRun do you have a body?

Edit to add: How much I would pay?...about 20 bucks.
gorillagirl
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Oct 6 2008, 01:29 PM) *
Do you mean the results and findings of others? or access to the body itself?


Body itself, I know a taxonomist who would probably be called in to do some classification work on it.
RiverRun
If there ever were one shot, or found you know it would all go down in a similar fashion. The media would buy certain exclusive rights, there would be scientist going crazy wanting a look, I'm quite sure it would be easy to sell tickets to such an event. (maybe one day this will all play out accordingly)


Now how much would you pay to see a live one captured (in a cage) so you could observe it at close range?

The payday would last a little longer (as far as the "investment" goes into obtaining that goal) The observation of a live animal would be much more educational (even though you know as soon as it dies from whatever causes, its going to be cut up into little pieces getting examined)



So seriously, how much would you pay to see a live specimen?
lookinginmichigan
$0.00...I want the first time I see one to be in the woods! If this is the way then I wouldn't participate as I see it kind of circus like. I would rather the scientific community does all the "probing"and looking. I'll look at pictures and read their results.
gorillagirl
I am pretty sure one captured would be seized for it's own welfare, so I can't see anyone being getting away with pay per view for long. I would be lobbying for its release back to the area of capture asap.
RiverRun
QUOTE(lookinginmichigan @ Oct 10 2008, 06:10 AM) *
$0.00...I want the first time I see one to be in the woods! If this is the way then I wouldn't participate as I see it kind of circus like. I would rather the scientific community does all the "probing"and looking. I'll look at pictures and read their results.




QUOTE(gorillagirl @ Oct 10 2008, 07:30 AM) *
I am pretty sure one captured would be seized for it's own welfare, so I can't see anyone being getting away with pay per view for long. I would be lobbying for its release back to the area of capture asap.



Ever been to a zoo? This is happening everyday, in most civilized countries (funny to throw in civilized with that hah!) Frank hansen made a lot of money showing a frozen model around (not even the real thing) I know you work with primates gorillagirl, would you let all of the mountain gorillas go as well? (i can point you to some zoo's! hehe)


What's becoming apparent is... even the people that have a no kill no capture policy would be happy to examine a body. I guess nothing else will do, except one dead.
ganglian
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Oct 4 2008, 12:54 AM) *
How much would you pay to see a REAL body of a bigfoot/sasquatch, and be able to examine it closely after you are given some presentations and photos to take home. You would be allowed to video tape, take any photos you wish, take a small sampling of hair, blood or tissue sample with you for DNA testing(from a mid thigh area or other non important spot)
The time allowed with the body would be limited to 10 minutes in small groups of 3-4 people at a time. (closeup view that is the "hands-on" part, the general viewing area would be setup so everyone could see from a distance while others examine so you could take photos/video with zoom lens)
The entire presentation would last 3 hours, and you would leave with the samples of hair (limited to 5 hairs with follicle) and blood or tissue sample (limited to sample just enough to get a legitimate DNA test) and the experience of hands on a real bigfoot sasquatch, as well as any notes/photos/videos you take while there.
Just how much would you pay for the opportunity?
A one time event, for the "public". Several other well noted (pre-picked) scientists would proceed with mri scans and then dissection with samples of organs and what it may have been feeding on, what maybe the eye sight capabilities may have been (judging from the eye features and optical nerves etc) along with a lot of other questions that lay un-answered.
A one time event, before dissection occours.
5000?

3000?

5 bucks?

nothing at all.... you'd be disgusted at the thought.



Lets start withs basics, it must be ABSOLUTELY biscardi free.
gorillagirl
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Oct 11 2008, 06:06 AM) *
Ever been to a zoo? This is happening everyday, in most civilized countries (funny to throw in civilized with that hah!) Frank hansen made a lot of money showing a frozen model around (not even the real thing) I know you work with primates gorillagirl, would you let all of the mountain gorillas go as well? (i can point you to some zoo's! hehe)
What's becoming apparent is... even the people that have a no kill no capture policy would be happy to examine a body. I guess nothing else will do, except one dead.


Funny you should mention that, yes, I do most of my current research at zoos.

In the US there are stricter guidelines for dealing with wildlife, yes in third world countries you can turn up to a lot of their markets and buy endangered species. But zoos in the US are governed by laws that won't allow them to capture and keep a wild primate. You can't catch animals from the wild anymore for display in most zoos, unless they are caught as part of a manged species survival plan and it is a last ditch attempt to save a species from imminent extinction. We can only display captive bred primates, no catching from the wild, it only encourages poaching.

Considering there are no mountain gorillas in zoos (only western and eastern lowlands) that would be hard. If there were, and they were captive bred I'd probably go with no release, unless it was a carefully planned project, their habitat was stable and it was done properly. You can't just throw captive bred animals out in the wild, it doesn't work like that.

Here is what I envisioned. Garbage/logging truck knocks down adult, injures it. Local Yokel might haul his/her ass somewhere to contain it. Your version of parks and wildlife get wind of it, and they move in to seize. Pretty sure you can't apply for a permit to keep BF, so you have to hand over your illegal wildlife. Now, obviously, this BF would not have been captive bred, so not subject to the same laws that apply to rescued animals (in some states of Australia you must release injured wildlife when it recovers). I imagine that individual would be taken to the nearest zoo with the capacity to hold a large ape. Now since we don't have other BF with which to provide a socially appropriate setting (whatever that would be for them) it would be immoral to keep one individual captive of that species, especially considering it would probably be fairly cognitively aware.

So, I would support gathering physiological and anatomical data, describing the individual and then releasing back to the point of capture. We would know they exist, and not doom one poor BF to a life of misery.

I am not an animal rights person BTW, I support animal welfare, which is quite different.
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