Elusive Ape
Aug 27 2008, 06:26 PM
MonsterQuest revisits the cabin located at Snelgrove Lake in Ontario to conduct further BF research.
Here's the History Channel's description of the episode:
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Something has been attacking a remote cabin in Northern and it may have left behind a blood trail. DNA analysis suggested that the creature is a non-human primate. Now a follow up test will confirm or deny this, and the results could change history. Meanwhile, a new expedition, outfitted with the most advanced surveillance and detection equipment, will set up camp at the cabin and wait for the creature's imminent return.
The results could change history?
How significant would it be if MonsterQuest's follow up DNA test confirms that it belongs to a non-human primate?
billgreen2005bigfoot
Aug 28 2008, 01:09 AM
hey everyone yes im realy looking forward to watching sasquatch attacks 2 on monsterquest in couple months it should be a wonderful & exciting new sequel segment in sence. thanks bill
micahn
Aug 28 2008, 11:27 AM
This is the first time they went back to the same spot right ? Should be interesting
MYM
Aug 28 2008, 11:45 AM
When is this eppy airing? I tuned in last night and it wa steh giant fish dealio. I like that one too but looking forward to this one.
bf2004
Aug 28 2008, 01:15 PM
I am not sure when that one will air, but I do know that the episode on China's Wildman featuring Dr. Jeff Meldrum is scheduled to air on a Sunday night, September 14th, at 9:00 EST. Then, on September 17th, is an episode on Lake Monsters of the North, focusing particularly on "Chessie" and other Denizens of the lakes.
Mystical Hominid
Aug 28 2008, 01:48 PM
This does sound intriguing.
And off-topic, but MYM's crazy-mouthed Gary Busey avatar sayin' "dealio" freaks me out.
xpandafarmerx
Sep 4 2008, 07:14 AM
Good to hear! There is nothing that drives me battier with these "paranormal" shows than when they send their crack team out for a weekend, get some "inconclusive" results, and never go back. I want a reality show where they spend a good MONTH out there.
rockinkt
Sep 4 2008, 01:04 PM
DNA analysis suggested that the creature is a non-human primate
"Suggested" to who???
longtabber PE
Sep 4 2008, 01:18 PM
You gotta love how advertising works and the way people buy it
>>>Something has been attacking a remote cabin in Northern
In the original the "visit" was some 2 odd years PRIOR to them going with no accounts inbetween. Also, its abandoned most of the year so who would know about all these attacks?
>>>it may have left behind a blood trail.
Rust?
>>>DNA analysis suggested that the creature is a non-human primate. Now a follow up test will confirm or deny this, and the results could change history.
Now thats stretching the truth to the limit LOL. I remember hearing this about a body in a freezer too not long ago
>>>Meanwhile, a new expedition, outfitted with the most advanced surveillance and detection equipment, will set up camp at the cabin and wait for the creature's imminent return.
I hope they have a new crew to go with this new equipment then maybe they will get something. ( how would they know the alleged creatures return is "imminent"?)
billgreen2005bigfoot
Sep 4 2008, 01:32 PM
hey longtabber yes i agree i do hope the researchers in sasquatch attacks 2 segment do find some sort of evidence but i guess we will wait very patiently indeed. good afternoon bill

updates as they continue
Elusive Ape
Sep 4 2008, 05:43 PM
QUOTE(longtabber PE @ Sep 4 2008, 12:18 PM)

You gotta love how advertising works and the way people buy it
Yep, the description clearly attempts to attract our attention for the sake of ratings, but hopefully there's some truth behind it so I suggest we reserve our judgment until after the episode airs.
nightscream
Sep 9 2008, 01:50 AM
QUOTE(Mystical Hominid @ Aug 28 2008, 02:48 PM)

This does sound intriguing.
And off-topic, but MYM's crazy-mouthed Gary Busey avatar sayin' "dealio" freaks me out.

Yes Gary Busey is quite possibly the scariest relic hominid of them all
rockinkt
Sep 9 2008, 02:07 AM
I see your Gary Busey and raise you one Nick Nolte...
Click to view attachment
BobZenor
Sep 9 2008, 02:48 AM
The only way that DNA suggests a non-human would be if you consider something, at most a few hundred thousand years removed from a modern human, non-human. Apparently the follow up test with a larger segment didn't confirm the finding or we should have heard something about it considering "the results could change history". The fuss was based on a single nucleotide polymorphism or a single base pair or letter. Leaving that unconfirmed for this long really sounds like a dishonest attempt to push up the ratings. I didn't see it so I assume they left the question open or didn't confirm nonhuman DNA?
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... How significant would it be if MonsterQuest's follow up DNA test confirms that it belongs to a non-human primate?
It would be huge but I am not expecting it from that sample. It is just to close to a modern human and they have strung us along way too long.
tiger66
Sep 9 2008, 05:15 AM
QUOTE(rockinkt @ Sep 9 2008, 04:07 AM)

I see your Gary Busey and raise you one Nick Nolte...

But please, make it stop, for the sake of my eyes and my sanity.
(BTW, Who could look at these two and *NOT* believe in the possibility of Bigfoot?)
PEPPERSFARMS
Sep 9 2008, 06:38 AM
rockinkt
QUOTE
I see your Gary Busey and raise you one Nick Nolte...
Ya made my day!!!!!
Verne Langdon
Sep 14 2008, 01:37 PM
QUOTE(Elusive Ape @ Aug 27 2008, 07:26 PM)

MonsterQuest revisits the cabin located at Snelgrove Lake in Ontario to conduct further BF research.
Here's the History Channel's description of the episode:
The results could change history?
How significant would it be if MonsterQuest's follow up DNA test confirms that it belongs to a non-human primate?
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STOP THE PRESSES! THIS JUST IN TO OUR NEWSROOM:
ROSIE O'DONNELL IS REPORTED TO HAVE BEEN CAMPING AT SNELGROVE LAKE IN ONTARIO AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME AS THE 'ELUSIVE APE' INCIDENT TOOK PLACE.
As Rosie is considered by many to be a non-human primate as well, all bets are off.
;0)
-VL
Huntster
Sep 14 2008, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(BobZenor @ Sep 9 2008, 12:48 AM)

......Apparently the follow up test with a larger segment didn't confirm the finding or we should have heard something about it considering "the results could change history". The fuss was based on a single nucleotide polymorphism or a single base pair or letter. Leaving that unconfirmed for this long really sounds like a dishonest attempt to push up the ratings. I didn't see it so I assume they left the question open or didn't confirm nonhuman DNA?.....
Apparently the galvanized screws contaminated the initial attempts to analyze the DNA:
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......The tissue and blood samples were first examined for DNA by Dr. Todd Disotel. He could find NO DNA and said he thought it had all been degraded. Then Dr. Nelson (a microbiologist) tried his hand at it, concluded that something was inhibiting the testing, and isolated out the galvanizing substance from the screws. Then he was able to obtain DNA and sequence it. His finding was for human, but with one variance that appears in chimpanzee, not human, DNA. Dr. Nelson said that he will perform additional tests over the next year, and that he thinks perhaps his results may show Bigfoot to be some sort of human.......
......Jeff Meldrum gave such answers to Dmitri Bayanov's questions:
1. Why did it take so long to announce the breakthrough result?
It is not really "breakthrough." We are talking about a mere 300 base pair sequence. This is extremely small sample -- nothing near a publishable result which would be many thousands of nucleotides. I was unaware that Curt felt confident that more sequence could be attained. I need to discuss this with him as well as see to follow-up of the hair identification
2. How solid is the lab that did the DNA testing? Did other labs confirm the finding? Will it be challenged by skeptics?
Curt is an excellent scientist and very capable. Of course it will be challenged. It is extremely preliminary and tentative. The best we could hope is that it will spark some interest and possible attract some funding to follow-up.........
...........Narrator: Dr. Curt Nelson has also been doing DNA tests on the blood, hair, and tissue samples and suspects there is an unknown substance, or inhibitor, present that is interfering with the DNA extraction. Nelson must first identify the inhibitor and remove it from the sequence. The inhibitor has been identified. The galvanizing on the screws was mixed in with the animal DNA. Nelson can now nudge DNA from the purified samples.
Nelson: Scientific evidence, at this point, is now suggesting there really is an animal there. I cut it out, I re-purified it, and amplified it again using the same primers, and I got a very strong reaction. When I did that I got rid of the inhibitory stuff by running it out that way. And I found it was identical to human DNA, except it had one nucleotide polymorphism. That nucleotide that was different was a difference that is shared with chimpanzees. I got DNA that was primate DNA, and I knew that I might be looking at the DNA of a sasquatch.
Narrator: The DNA says primate, but not quite human and not quite nonhuman primate. One of the base pairs is deviated.
Nelson: What we have to do now is look at more DNA. We have to sequence more of it. We have to design primers to amplify different regions of the DNA so that we can get sequence across the mitochondrial genome and determine whether or not it is just human DNA, which seems unlikely that something -- like a human -- would step on that board like that.
Narrator: Great apes share nearly identical DNA with man except for a 35-base-pair deviation. The Snellgrove DNA sample has only 1 deviation. According to Nelson, there is only a 1 in 5,000 chance this is human DNA.
Nelson: What we're looking at is the blood so far. So if we can find that same sequence exists in the tissue and hair, that indicates that an animal that bled there and left the tissue there and the hair there was all the same animal, and produce the same sequence. That's important to tie it all together. And that could take a year..........
Now, does hair incompatible with bear, human, or other local fauna found along with the blood DNA on the screwboard that also is incompatible with bear, human, or other local fauna constitute enough "evidence" to warrant the very first funding from government, academia, or science institute to look further into the matter?
Nah. Just like in so many similar previous cases, it isn't "compelling", "conclusive", "decisive", "definitive", "irrefutable", "telling", "convincing", or *
insert qualifying adjective here* enough, and multiple cases like this don't count.
No more screw boards. Is a spring gun or Claymore mine necessary?
Elusive Ape
Sep 14 2008, 02:40 PM
QUOTE(Huntster @ Sep 14 2008, 01:31 PM)

Now, does hair incompatible with bear, human, or other local fauna found along with the blood DNA on the screwboard that also is incompatible with bear, human, or other local fauna constitute enough "evidence" to warrant the very first funding from government, academia, or science institute to look further into the matter?
Nah. Just like in so many similar previous cases, it isn't "compelling", "conclusive", "decisive", "definitive", "irrefutable", "telling", "convincing", or *insert qualifying adjective here* enough, and multiple cases like this don't count.
No more screw boards. Is a spring gun or Claymore mine necessary?
I understand your frustration, and I really hope Sasquatch Attack II yields even more compelling results that challenge stubborn skeptics.
Huntster
Sep 14 2008, 02:56 PM
Thanks. Part of this is my classic act. Overemphasize, dramaticize, and keep pounding the point home is one of my favorite tactics.
I'm not really this crazy. I just look, sound, behave, and maintain myself like that.
nightscream
Sep 14 2008, 07:43 PM
QUOTE(Verne Langdon @ Sep 14 2008, 02:37 PM)

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STOP THE PRESSES! THIS JUST IN TO OUR NEWSROOM:
ROSIE O'DONNELL IS REPORTED TO HAVE BEEN CAMPING AT SNELGROVE LAKE IN ONTARIO AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME AS THE 'ELUSIVE APE' INCIDENT TOOK PLACE.
As Rosie is considered by many to be a non-human primate as well, all bets are off.
;0)
-VL
Verne, finally there is something that we can agree on!
nightscream
Sep 14 2008, 07:57 PM
QUOTE(Huntster @ Sep 14 2008, 03:56 PM)

Thanks. Part of this is my classic act. Overemphasize, dramaticize, and keep pounding the point home is one of my favorite tactics.
I'm not really this crazy. I just look, sound, behave, and maintain myself like that.

Nothing crazy about your behavior. What's crazy is that we keep having to point out the obvious which is what you stated.
rockinkt
Sep 14 2008, 10:35 PM
Nelson: Scientific evidence, at this point, is now suggesting there really is an animal there. I cut it out, I re-purified it, and amplified it again using the same primers, and I got a very strong reaction. When I did that I got rid of the inhibitory stuff by running it out that way. And I found it was identical to human DNA, except it had one nucleotide polymorphism. That nucleotide that was different was a difference that is shared with chimpanzees. I got DNA that was primate DNA, and I knew that I might be looking at the DNA of a sasquatch.I think one would expect to find such things as SNP in Human DNA samples. Like he says - we share that biological fact with Chimpanzees. I do not think he is saying that ONLY chimpanzees have SNP - is he???
vilnoori
Sep 14 2008, 11:49 PM
QUOTE(bf2004 @ Aug 28 2008, 12:15 PM)

I am not sure when that one will air, but I do know that the episode on China's Wildman featuring Dr. Jeff Meldrum is scheduled to air on a Sunday night, September 14th, at 9:00 EST. Then, on September 17th, is an episode on Lake Monsters of the North, focusing particularly on "Chessie" and other Denizens of the lakes.
Oh darn it, missed it again! Why do all the good shows have to come on when I have my only chance to swim and work out! Dang, dang, dang!
(edit to add) The mitochondrial Deoxyribonucleic Acid (ha, just love to say that, along with disestablishmentarianism) is a relatively short strand compared to human nucleic DNA--or Chimp for that matter. So it is easier to research. Plus, since it is passed down only through the female and does not take part in normal "shuffling" of the DNA deck in Meiosis, it is extremely conservative and mutates (generates single nuceotide polymorphisms) very slowly. Whole family groups of people have exactly the same mitochondrial DNA, a fact that is being used now to trace the migration patterns and origins of people groups in anthropology. Nelson, who aught to know since he's a biochemist, says he found a SNP that is NOT in the human family, but is shared with chimps. That IS significant, and that is why this team is spending the money to get out there again.
People keep saying that DNA evidence is not very strong, but I disagree. If they get a better sample this time and their findings are confirmed it would be very significant. I presume that they need more samples to provide the same finding (the SNP that is chimp like, a very unlikely find in Northern Ontario) and then they can write a paper on it and present the novel idea to the world. Not so novel to us though. lol
BobZenor
Sep 15 2008, 04:31 AM
QUOTE(Huntster @ Sep 14 2008, 01:31 PM)

Apparently the galvanized screws contaminated the initial attempts to analyze the DNA:
Now, does hair incompatible with bear, human, or other local fauna found along with the blood DNA on the screwboard that also is incompatible with bear, human, or other local fauna constitute enough "evidence" to warrant the very first funding from government, academia, or science institute to look further into the matter?
Nah. Just like in so many similar previous cases, it isn't "compelling", "conclusive", "decisive", "definitive", "irrefutable", "telling", "convincing", or *
insert qualifying adjective here* enough, and multiple cases like this don't count.
No more screw boards. Is a spring gun or Claymore mine necessary?
If we are to take that DNA sample seriously, we need to accept that BF is very close to a modern humans. It would be closer to a modern human than even a Neanderthal according to the DNA. It was mitochondrial DNA so it is possible that a hybrid might have human mitochondrial DNA if an ancestor of bigfoot mated with a human female in the last few hundred thousand years. Otherwise we would have to accept that Bigfoot is very close to a modern human if you accept the DNA results. In my mind, it is evidence of it almost certainly not being a sasquatch but if another sample matched it, it would add weight to it being authentic. Most people would have to rethink the whole idea of bigfoot and what it is. The question of the blood's identity should be answered by sequencing a much longer section. I would have to assume, in the absence of any other evidence that someone contaminated the sample. Maybe someone took a leak in the area or contaminated the sample in some other way. I doubt they have done the mitochondrial sequence on an actual sample from a sasquatch yet.
LAL
Sep 15 2008, 10:08 AM
QUOTE(vilnoori @ Sep 15 2008, 01:49 AM)

Oh darn it, missed it again! Why do all the good shows have to come on when I have my only chance to swim and work out! Dang, dang, dang!
I don't think you missed it. It was scheduled and I was tuned in, but they repeated the 9/11 show with the amateur footage instead.
vilnoori
Sep 15 2008, 01:23 PM
If they are close enough to hybridize with us, then it is not impossible that in the far past (perhaps even still in Asia) a BF-like male and human-like female had offspring, perhaps an abducted human female, and that this female offspring became the mother of all future bigfoots. lol (what a phrase) Not impossible, but still a stretch of the imagination! These things become possible generally in genetic bottlenecks, when the choice of female mates becomes scarce and they have to inbreed to survive.
SKM
Sep 15 2008, 01:51 PM
Wait so what are they doing with this DNA right now?
nightscream
Sep 16 2008, 07:10 PM
Does anyone know when the Attack ll episode will air? I couldn't find a date on their website
Huntster
Sep 16 2008, 08:21 PM
QUOTE(vilnoori @ Sep 15 2008, 11:23 AM)

.....If they are close enough to hybridize with us, then it is not impossible that in the far past (perhaps even still in Asia) a BF-like male and human-like female had offspring, ......
Source:
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.....A wildwoman named Zana is said to have lived in the isolated mountain village of T'khina fifty miles from Sukhumi in Abkhazia in the Caucasus; some have speculated she may have been an Alma, but hard evidence is lacking.
Captured in the mountains in 1850, she was at first violent towards her captors but soon became domesticated and, indeed, was able to assist with simple household chores. Zana is said to have had sexual relations with a man of the village named Edgi Genaba, and gave birth to a number of children of apparently normal human appearance. Several of these children, however, died in infancy. Some commentators have attributed these early deaths to Zana's genetic incompatibility (as an Almas) with humans.
The father, meanwhile, gave away four of the surviving children to local families. The two boys, Dzhanda and Khwit Sabekia (born 1878 and 1884), and the two girls, Kodzhanar and Gamasa Sabekia (born 1880 and 1882), were assimilated into normal society, married, and had families of their own. Zana herself died in 1890. The skull of Khwit (also spelled Kvit) is still extant, and was examined by Dr. Grover Krantz in the early 1990s. He pronounced it to be entirely modern, with no Neanderthal features at all. Khwit's tooth was examined in 2008 as part of the Monster Quest tv show. Genetics tests were unable to definitely show Khwit's parentage, but tests will continue.......
There is no shortage of American Indian reference to sasquatch stealing Indian women and children.
nightscream
Sep 16 2008, 08:52 PM
QUOTE(vilnoori @ Sep 15 2008, 02:23 PM)

If they are close enough to hybridize with us, then it is not impossible that in the far past (perhaps even still in Asia) a BF-like male and human-like female had offspring
vilnoori
Sep 17 2008, 07:37 PM
Well the thing is that mitochondrial DNA is passed down only in the female lineage. So a female descendant (and matrilineal line) of a female human-to male bigfoot cross would have absolutely human m-DNA, no matter how it looked and no matter what the nucleic DNA was like.
So if someone for example found great-grandson or great-granddaughter, from a granddaugher, from a daughter, from this female Almas, it might look completely human, but it would have 100% Almas DNA. Get it?
But if the hybridization goes the other way, female human to male bigfoot, all the female bigfoot descendants to whatever generation, female to female lineage, no matter how "bigfooty" they look, will have absolutely human m-DNA.
The other thing to test, possibly, is Y-chromosome DNA only. You can test for it in the same way because it is such a small molecule and only passed from male parent to male offspring and down the male to male lineage. So if a male bigfoot fathers a child, and the girl runs back to her village and a baby is raised, and has sons, and the sons have sons, and you test a grandson, though absolutely human in most other ways, it will still have that bigfoot Y-chromosome which will differ in radical ways from most human Y-chromosomes.
Something to keep in mind I guess...
OnlyASize12
Sep 19 2008, 04:56 AM
QUOTE(nightscream @ Sep 16 2008, 08:52 PM)

The joke would be funnier if you found one of him in his full Vincent makeup
:-)
Tim
billgreen2005bigfoot
Sep 28 2008, 01:46 PM
now im definetly looking forward to watching new segment sasquatch attacks 2 on monsterquest im so excited

but very patient indeed. good afternoon bill
123chadder
Oct 26 2008, 09:12 PM
Sasquatch Attack airs on Wednesday November 12th at 9:00 pm.Also on Thursday November 13th at 1:00 am.Hope this helps
BF_Fence_Sitter
Oct 26 2008, 11:19 PM
Sorry Guys, but Squatch Attack part one was a crock.
It was humans, probably teens, that trashed the cabin. From the 2002 Insurance video taken by the cabin owner, you will see that the door window was punched in and the door was unlocked from the outside. On the floor, you will see the door screen. Taking a closer look at the door frame and the door from the inside, there is no damage. This indicates that it was not forced open, but again unlocked after someone punched in the door window screen from the outside. You can see the cabin door was equipped with a lock by looking at the door knob.

Next, The Cabin Owner and/or MonsterQuest Lied About The Remoteness of the location. The Native village of Slate Falls is just 8 miles away.
The cabin is accessible by 10 min boat ride or 5 min snowmobile ride in winter from the people at the village.
As for the door, don't you think it's a bit narrow for a sasquatch. Even the owner had to enter sideways.
Even MonsterQuest knew squatch wouldn't fit, so they shrunk him.
There's the issue with the bathroom door. It was closed when the first person arrived upon the scene. Do you really think BF decided to close the door after his rampage. 
There's the extremely questionable DNA. A DNA expert said the sample had no DNA. But a guy who is not a DNA expert, who we all know is obsessed with squatch found some. I have a feeling that the alleged non-human DNA will bite Dr. Nelson and MQ in the a$$ for Squatch Attack part deux unless they come up with a really good excuse !!
How about the miracle on the final evening of an uneventful expedition. If BF was so pi$$ed at the cabin, why would he through such a small rock. Actually, it's 2 miracles. Bigfoot throws a rock from several hundred feet away and manages to get the rock to stay on the roof without it rolling off. A very skillful shot to say the least. I guess BF knew that if it rolled onto the ground, no one would find it the next morning.
BobZenor
Oct 26 2008, 11:53 PM
I find it quite hard to believe that the "bigfoot fanatic" faked results. I rather doubt he did anything wrong but I am not an overly suspicious type. Someone on the show did seem to misinterpret the DNA results as something other than DNA apparently from a modern human. I will tend to give the scientist the benefit of the doubt and attribute sensationalism to those that edit the show unless I hear otherwise even when the scientist seemed to misstate things. I seem to remember someone saying there was a 1 in 5000 chance of it being human DNA but that just didn't make any sense in that context. That sort of distortion or sensationalism does hurt the credibility of the show. It should hurt the credibility of the scientist in my opinion if he said it and it wasn't taken out of context.
911Guy
Oct 27 2008, 01:34 AM
I don't think the show was hoaxed. I do think that they try a bit to hard to make you stay tuned when it is commercial time.
I think something happened the night of the rock throwing incident. Dr. Meldrum said that they really didn't hide in the cabin but that they checked the surrounding area and did not find anything but that the rock and a log was thrown at the cabin. And if the thought of animals show up when the people leave to "clean up" any food that was thrown out, it seems possible that a Bigfoot could show up as well.
I enjoyed the China wild man show, it was good and Dr. Meldrum seemed impressed with the cast that was similar to Patty's.
Can't wait to seen Squatch Attack II
123chadder
Oct 28 2008, 05:09 PM
i saw this footage today on metcafe today,the funny thing is that i saw the same guy on an interview somewhere else with the same story,but in the original story he was with his family berry picking and saw the creature.The thing is he told the same story pretty much too the tee,but one story was with his family and the second was that he was a surveyer or something with guys from work.Both videos i saw,have the same guy.I tell you it makes me think.Another thing is that i saw some scientific study done on the Patterson footage that totally makes sense,the feet on the creature are not right.The heel extends about 2" from the back of the ankle.I did research on this and see that NO hominoid has this feature.The heel is almost even with the back of the ankle in real life.I used to be a true believer,but now i dont think so.Too many thingsjust dont add up.In northern Ontario,why dont they ever find tracks in the snow?I am starting to believe that this is the greatest hoax in the history of man!!!!!Ifind a hole in every story i hear.Im a hunter and know thew outdoors as good or better than a whole lot of people in north america!!Im trained in survival as well.This creature,if it exists is an animal,not a human.Why do people try to attract it with peoiple sounds and trinkets?These are animals.I am not saying they exist or dont,but they are animals and they should be treated as such.They are extremely intelligent too.So if they did exist they would surely be afraid or human contact and would have senses truly greater than ours,and on top of that they would have an animals instinct.We have,for the most part shredded most of our our natural instincts.We still have them,but they are faded over years of evolution.A bigfoot would still act as an animal,very wary,and aware of its surroundings,plus its extreme intelligence would make it very hard to find.Tghey would know your presence a lot sooner than you would now of theirs!!
BF_Fence_Sitter
Oct 28 2008, 06:41 PM
QUOTE(911Guy @ Oct 27 2008, 01:34 AM)

I don't think the show was hoaxed.
It doesn't bother you at all that footage from the insurance video clearly shows that the cabin door was unlocked from the outside after someone punched in the door screen?
BF_Fence_Sitter
Nov 3 2008, 09:07 PM
A video I created on YouTube that summarizes all the BS.
It includes that fat guy who had that BS feeling of constantly being watched and his 2nd hand story of the cabin being shaken by squatch.
Debunking MonsterQuest Sasquatch Attack
RedRatSnake
Nov 3 2008, 09:21 PM
Hi
I like how you did that, Very easy to follow
Peace
Tim
micahn
Nov 12 2008, 07:56 AM
Just in case someone does not know yet, This airs tonight.
billgreen2005bigfoot
Nov 12 2008, 12:05 PM
hey everyone etc im realy excited to finaly watch sasquatch attacks 2 on monsterquest tonight...

good afternoon bill
Squatchfoot
Nov 12 2008, 02:17 PM
Yeah,I enjoyed the first one and,while Meldrum said this trip was quiet but that a sighting occured nearby and that is what this episode will focus on. I look forward to the episode. If it has anything to do with sasquatch..I am interested and watching!! Take care Bill..enjoy the show. Peace.
KING KAIJU
Nov 12 2008, 04:09 PM
While I enjoy the show immensely, it is annoying when they say something like "what they found was astonishing" before a commercial break. Only to find out "it' isn't astonishing at all - after having to sit through a recap of what happened before the commercial break. That's showbiz I guess.
I wouldn't expect a mind blowing update on the BF attack episode. I think if any confirming evidence of the existence of BF is found on MQ or any other show, it would be made public immediately and not weeks or even months later when the show airs. The info would be too big to sit on and what better way to hype the show in advance.
quackattack
Nov 12 2008, 09:00 PM
QUOTE(BobZenor @ Oct 26 2008, 11:53 PM)

I find it quite hard to believe that the "bigfoot fanatic" faked results. I rather doubt he did anything wrong but I am not an overly suspicious type. Someone on the show did seem to misinterpret the DNA results as something other than DNA apparently from a modern human. I will tend to give the scientist the benefit of the doubt and attribute sensationalism to those that edit the show unless I hear otherwise even when the scientist seemed to misstate things. I seem to remember someone saying there was a 1 in 5000 chance of it being human DNA but that just didn't make any sense in that context. That sort of distortion or sensationalism does hurt the credibility of the show. It should hurt the credibility of the scientist in my opinion if he said it and it wasn't taken out of context.
I watched the first attack show last year. I do PCR and sequencing everyday in my work. The DNA "expert" got nothing but the second scientist got a band from PCR. However, he says in the episode that he amplified the sample twice with the same primers. Big NO NO in PCR. This is begging to get contamination. Amplifying twice with the same primers . . . hell he could have gotten any tiny amount of DNA from him or his lab people. Also, he says that the sequence data gave him one base pair difference from human. PCR has an error rate. You frequently get these kinds of results in PCR then sequencing. I highly doubt the results from SAI though I agree with you that the scientist is probably not faking the results . . . just not being careful and over interpreting the data.
longtabber PE
Nov 12 2008, 09:28 PM
Well, they got all they could get out of that. No screwboard DNA or hair confirmation.
I would suggest MQ SA III be in Tenn.
Fullybird
Nov 12 2008, 09:42 PM
Monsterquest episodes remind me of my days as a single guy trying to pick up chicks. Trying all the right tactics, right equipment (slick clothes, nice car, cologne, ect). Going to the hotspots (nightclubs, bars), coming real close but in the end I go home with nothing.
RedRatSnake
Nov 12 2008, 09:50 PM
Hi
Fullybird : You do realize how much fun could be had with that last line you just posted
Peace
Tim
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