I want to go on record that I apologize to Steve Kulls. Although, I did not attack Steve or bash him, I did not give Steve the opportunity to let Steve come forward and hear him him out nor stand by Steve as I should have. My reaction to leaving Squatch Detective and un-inviting him from the East Coast Bigfoot Confernece was a knee jerk reaction. One of anger and being upset at the time. Instead of giving Steve the opportunity to explain himself, and talk to him on the phone to get his side of the story, I left him high and dry.

Steve was not invovled in the hoax. He has admitted he has made a few bad choices as far as doing the show on Monday and then on Tuesday. There are many who feel Steve owes them answers. I came forward and told what I knew based on some phone conversations with Bily Willard, Steve Kulls, and Sean Forker. I had no part in this other than conversations and keeping information confidential when I was asked too. Too many here who insist I should have said something, I say to you...

If you have a friend you trust in or a friend confides in you, do you run out and tell everyone what they told you? Do you betray that friend or break his or her trust by popping at the mouth? I don't. Steve in my opinion did not kill anyone, nor did he comitt any crime in this. He was not involved in the hoax as many of you may speculate and or believe. Talk to Steve. He is not hard to find.

Steve may have lost credibility with most of you on this list and that is your choice. Steve in my opinion was put in a bad situation and I can not account for his actions or his choices. They were his and I do not agree with them, but in the circumstances, Steve did what he felt was right at that time.

Now with that said, I am apologizing to Steve to overreacting to this and not giving Steve the chance to defend himself and explain himself.

Oh and incidentally, in February Steve stood by a friend when that friend was under scruitiny and attack by this very same forum. Now that same person is out in the fore front calling for the truth of this instead of offering the same support Steve offered to that person. Do you all forget us defending this person on the March edition of Beyond The Edge Radio? The one where we were called the "Four Jack***** of Squatchery." Remember that?

Steve is a man, and he needs no one to defend him but himself. I am just saying I was wrong for not giving Steve the opportunity to defend and explain himself.

I think perhaps if you would talk to Steve or allow him the opportunity to explain himself, you may (just may) stop to think what you are speculating and guessing at may not in fact be the way things happened.

Thank you for your time.

Eric Altman

I dont know the man from Adam , but do know something about human nature

If someone changes their story several times......more than likely, none are the truth

he ran with a dog, and as far as I am concerned, he has the fleas now

Scott,

You and everyone on this forum are entitled to your own opinion. Im not taking that away from anyone. Im not saying anyone is wrong, I'm not judging anyone here. I am speaking and apologizing for my own actions in this and thats all. If you feel that way, you are certainly entitled to those feelings and opinions and are welcome to post them and share them as is anyone. I am only apologizing for my actions. No one elses.

I got you

You know the guy, I dont

I hope to make your conference, Im in between philly and allentown, so maybe will meet you there

Looking forward to it Scott, Always happy to meet fellow neighbors. Introduce yourself.

Well, well, well. finally, the voice of reason. I don't even know Steve, and I knew from the get-go he was caught in a set of ciircumstances, and bad situations. Maybe he did make bad choices, but can all you people second guessing him know for sure you would have done any better.

From all the BF forums, to the raido chat rooms, I have never seen such rath. I was ashamed of all of you. I will now return to what I do best.........listen, read, and observe.

Listener

Eric, it sounds to me you are attempting to be the apologist

>>>Instead of giving Steve the opportunity to explain himself, and talk to him on the phone to get his side of the story, I left him high and dry.

He has had every opportunity- of his own volition

>>>Steve was not invovled in the hoax. He has admitted he has made a few bad choices as far as doing the show on Monday and then on Tuesday.

That has not been shown to be true and the rest is like damage control

>>>There are many who feel Steve owes them answers.

They are correct and if he is innocent he needs to start answering in specific and non evasive terms

>>>If you have a friend you trust in or a friend confides in you, do you run out and tell everyone what they told you? Do you betray that friend or break his or her trust by popping at the mouth? I don't. Steve in my opinion did not kill anyone, nor did he comitt any crime in this. He was not involved in the hoax as many of you may speculate and or believe. Talk to Steve. He is not hard to find.

YES and "friendship" is not a polite "coverall" EXCUSE for improper and unprofessional conduct

>>>Steve may have lost credibility with most of you on this list and that is your choice. Steve in my opinion was put in a bad situation and I can not account for his actions or his choices.

Oh CRAP PHLUEEEZE- he is a "self proclaimed" professional- he wasnt "put" anywhere and situation aside, the truth is the truth and there is NO EXCUSE for not taking the proper action

>>>They were his and I do not agree with them, but in the circumstances, Steve did what he felt was right at that time.

When is "wrong" right?

>>>Oh and incidentally, in February Steve stood by a friend when that friend was under scruitiny and attack by this very same forum. Now that same person is out in the fore front calling for the truth of this instead of offering the same support Steve offered to that person. Do you all forget us defending this person on the March edition of Beyond The Edge Radio? The one where we were called the "Four Jack***** of Squatchery." Remember that?
irrelevant

>>>I think perhaps if you would talk to Steve or allow him the opportunity to explain himself, you may (just may) stop to think what you are speculating and guessing at may not in fact be the way things happened.

His contradictions,evasiveness and non answers are not speculation

Please don't take my post as criticizing anyone on this forums. Im only criticizing myself.

I can understand why for the actions and reactions of those on this forum. This is something that can and could hurt the community for a long time if not for the the watchful, inquisitive eye of those who have posted, asked questions and are trying to find the truth.

I am not criticizing them for their actions. I am apologizing for mine.

I am apologizing for over reacting and jumping to conclusions before I really knew what was going on here. Steve and I are friends and were friends before this happened. I look at this way. Friends make mistakes. Ive made mistakes, and will probably continue to do so. Was he right in what he did? In my opinion no, bBut I am forgiving for what happened, and moving on.

I do not forgive those who were in fact involved in this, but I who am I to judge them for thier actions. I'm not God and certainly not perfect. I do not agree with what they did or said, or their actions in any way shape or form, but as far as Steve is concerned. We have talked, and I am moving on from this and getting back to working on the conference and field research.




And you are entitled to your opinions Longtabber. I'm not taking ANYTHING away from you, nor anyone on this forum. I am only speaking for myself. I am not being an apologist for anyone but myself for not giving Steve the opportunity to explain things to me and for reacting and over reacting. Simple as that. I'm not perfect and don't claim to be. Speaking for myself, I do know when I make mistakes and I own up to them and move on.

Oh criminey, here we go again...

This was round three for the Biscardi-Kulls team, had it been round one, I might be able to say, bad judgment, he put himself in a bad
situation. He is no longer a responsible figure in the Bigfoot world, pure and simple, no rath involved.

So Stacy, how was your week? Do anything interesting? And hey, you still got that blueberry pie recipe? Could I get it again please. And... oh wait... I should probably take this to PM so as to not interrupt the thread. Sorry.

Anyone associating with Biscardi gets what they deserve.

Bipto, I am not in disagreement with you. And I'm not apologizing for Steve nor his actions in this. He is a grown man and accountable for his own actions. me. I am apologizing to Steve for the way "I" acted. I am not on the forum to criticize anyone. I'm apologizing for my actions. No one elses.

Eric-

I know you got a good heart and I don't think you owe anybody any justification for your actions not to reveal what you were told at the time because you trusted your friend who assured you he'd do the right things. Well he didn't, and now he's got to answer to it and that has nothing to do with you. I hope that if you wish to remain friends with Steve (which is between you guys) he's understanding of the decisions you made and why you made them, because they weren't exactly in haste-you knew something stunk and to some extent he had his hands deep in it.
I apologize to Steve as well for one reason only, insinuating and believing (which I initially did) that he possibly may've contributed to perpetrating this hoax from the beginning. Now having much better information I don't believe that to be true.
However, Steve's been caught in several lies pertaining to the biggest hoax this community's ever been a part of and certainly didn't ask for and we must all suffer the repercussions because we're guilty by association of subject.

Furthermore, I'm getting real tired of people saying that Steve should've never gone on with his shows as if we're supposed to feel sorry for someone who has at best participated in an interim cover-up and then tried to publicly appear as an "independent" investigator who's reputable with this subject, while we were all perceived as the "bigfoot believers" who were really pushing this thing and hoping it was real.
No! the only idiots who pushed it and may've believed this to be real (and that hasn't been fully established as the investigation continues) is Tom Biscardi, Steve Kulls and the Searching For Bigfoot Team Inc. they are the idiots. And if Kulls just took Biscardi's word for it knowing his history and calling him "pop" (give me a break) and quit his job over it, then he's the most incompetent investigator/detective I've ever heard of.
Are we all supposed to feel sorry for Kulls that he cut his own throat on Monday night because he wasn't given adequate time to bullshit us??? Here's a guy who if he was so innocent and duped in all this had an opportunity to escape and make things right and he couldn't do one thing right. Two years ago he went to bed with a notorious, known hoaxer that this community as a whole has been burned by again and again and again, and we're supposed to understand and feel sorry for Kulls and his financial situation at the time to work for Biscardi. Go wash dishes until you get back on your feet for christ's sake. The last thing you do is slap researchers your associated with in some capacity in the face and sell-out to this man?
Furthermore, you just wait until this whole bigfoot world finds out exactly what Kulls did when he was first hired as a PI for Biscardi two years ago and what he put in jeopardy bringing a known hoaxer into the picture. And I heard he's really proud of it as well. I think how high he held himself in regard on that matter will change even quicker then when he realized our opinion of him before he went on the air "prematurely" last Monday night.

Kulls may not have cooked up this hoax but he's got so much to answer for, it's ridiculous.

Lied to one of his best friends, Forker, and convinced him to pull his show because this was now a police matter with the GA boys (a selfish lie), either to make the announcement himself on his show and get credit or to buy time until he could figure out how to help bullshit everybody

Lied to the media and blatantly falsified a timeline to either buy time and figure his own way out or protect "pop," or both.

Lied about the NDA

Had conspired to make Biscardi look as good as possible in this as a victim and himself look like an "independent" hoax buster-when he was supposedly pissed at him for allowing him to quit his job and bringing him into all this. Although we don't have an accurate time-line thanks to Kulls, he still had plenty of time to realize his true feelings about Biscardi and bury him on either of his shows (especially Tuesday night, which he seemed a little unsure about his disassociation from "pop")

Not to mention you throw in the fact that Kulls now admits Biscardi wanted to cover this up and tie it in with the facts and it's even more incriminating for Kulls.

Kulls showed the bigfoot world exactly what he was about for those that were oblivious to his work with Biscardi the last two years. He's about damage control and covering his own ass. You can't blatantly lie to the world and your peers and expect you can work your way back in by now telling the truth when you've suffered some repercussions and don't like the way you are now being perceived. All he's done here is try and justify all his actions with poor-me excuses. What did he expect, he was going to shock the world with the biggst hoaxer in the world?
Your a good guy Eric, Steve doesn't deserve you as a friend in my book, but it's none of our business about your friendship. If you think your actions may've been premature or hurtful to Steve, think again- because maybe, just maybe that was a bit of a catalyst for him now to come forward and admit his failures and lies. Either way, I really don't care what he does, because it's all going to come out one way or another and he's cooked----even after getting an undeserved chance to jump out of the frying pan.

Fair enough Bart, and I respect your opinion. Always have. Just as I respect most on here.

After getting home today after a week away and wading through however many pages of this crap, this absolutely takes the cake.

First off , I said this when it was being discussed around the campfire somewhat last Saturday. As soon as it's over the backtracking and posturing will begin and then will come the apologies, not only for those involved but for everything else as well. I am somewhat surprised it took this long.

In several instances over the last year , Eric. You, Steve, Billy, etc etc. Have sided with liars and frauds not only publicly , but privately as well. And yet again when a good chunk of the "Bigfoot community" forgave you, didn't notice , or completely ignored not only this for a bit, but several other situations from the recent past as well.

i.e 4 horseman statements, and the previous radio shows showcasing , well there is no polite way to say it, your own gullibility and stupidity as far as this "field is concerned.

The sad part of it is, everyone still wants to tell you all , that even though you sit here and defend charlatans and fraud, what a nice guy you or they are , when the truth of it is, you are all apparently such bad judges of character time and again, that how anyone could take your word on anything is beyond me. How anyone could take an apology given by any of you seriously, either on your own behalf or on the behalf of other seriously is also beyond me.

You and everyone else , Steve, or whomever had every opportunity to distance your selves from the situation and the circumstances from the get go, but chose not to instead deciding to band together into your own little " clique" if you will ( which you also have on more than one occasion derided others for doing.)


And yes , Eric. maybe at times I am somewhat "holier than thou" ( your words to me exactly if you'd care to remember) when it comes to what I say and how I act. No matter how much you or other like you want to read into it.

I don't apologize for my actions publicly when it is something that could and should be handled in private between the individuals involved.

If you lie , commit a fraud, cover up a hoax, or associate for years with a known charlatan and hoaxer , friend or not I will damn well cut your ass loose. Apparently that makes me " not nice " though. I like to think it makes me less prone to put up with stupidity though. I've already seen my fill of it for years.

Being that it was me that made that statement , I still stand by that statement. And the events of the last month have pretty much proven its accuracy. The person in question though has no integrity, was called on it and defended by you guys , over nothing other than supposedly "knowing " the person , and you act surprised? Really? Sad, just plain sad.

One of the most apparent rules of being involved in this stupid Bigfoot thing over the years, if you were paying attention, is that if someone lies once, maybe its a miscommunication. Lies twice? Be wary. Lies to 40 different people independently about 40 different things? And you're still dumb enough to stand by them and defend them, friendship or not ? Well, Duh !! I have no sympathy for you or those whom you associate with , you did it to yourself despite multiple warnings.

And now here you are yet, again, not learning from past mistakes. I honestly , hold you and some of the others mentioned in no higher regard than I do Kulls or Biscardi. You do nothing but defend and apologize for the inept and the inane all in the name of wanting others to , get along.

You did it previously, now you're doing it again. You are part of what's wrong with the 'community" every bit as much as those who would attempt to defraud it, because with your own brand of enabling, you allow it to happen and then bitch after it does.

Ahh, bull**it!! If that were the case you would never have made an entirely separate thread about the issue. Blow as much smoke up your own ass as you want, but please spare mine the indecency of it.

What this tells me is that you are a fine man and are legitimately trying to do your best to quell a bad situation. My hat tips to you for your effort.

That aside, it in no way mitigates or reduces his WILLFUL involvement in this.

Thanks Jim! I knew I could count on you to make me smile. You always do!

Biscardi and his kind are the scum of the earth.
However, I am sure that there are many honest people who work, or have worked hard in Biscard's organisation. We obviously do not know their personal honesty or credibility - nor do we know their reasons for sticking up for their leader or continuing to be part of a discredited organisation.
Are we now going to judge and punish everyone for the actions of their leader or who they associate with?

Your point is well taken and very true.

The members of any given organization are not unilaterally guilty because of the actions of a leader.

Guilt can only be attached if and when it is established that they had personal knowledge of wrongdoing and failed to act

LOL... oh, the irony.

It's called sarcasm, Stacy.

Yep - and there is tons of evidence on this board to show the complete lack of moral compass for another "leader" in this field but his followers get a free pass.
Now, that is irony.

NOT from me partner

Well I've got something to say about that, but unfortunately I'm being pulled out the door. I shall return to give a response soon.

Eric,

I commend you on your statement. Some guys can't even own up to cheating on their wives, let alone making rushed decisions concerning a friend.

Following the crowd is the easy thing to do, obviously not the route that you have chosen.

hey eric (bigfootboy) thats a wonderful public apology to our friend & researcher steve kulls indeed. yet this ga bigfoot body hoax nightmare still continues etc in weeks thread, oh great new thread by the way . hey steve k if you see this whole ga body hoax is definetly not your fault at all. i hope you continue to visit this great forum in near future ok. good evening bill green updates as they continue

At least he is consistent.

Please keep the conversation above personal attacks. We will allow a certain amount of leeway, but if necessary, will close this thread permanently if the conversation can't be about the what, where, and how and not the who. Capiche?

Hi

I really think it should be kept more of a personal matter, Hey i am all for sticking up for friends when mistakes are made, I like it when they stick up for me when i make em, By putting the Apology up on the open forum, It is likely to cause more harm than good at this time, The subject is still to hot !

Peace Guys
Tim

Eric - That seems like a very stand up thing to do and I respect you for what you have done. I don't know steve but it is certain that he is involved with this latest debacle, to what extent remains to be seen. I guess there is alot of things going on around here other than the GA scam....way cool.
Cheers,
jamin19

Counselor,

Well, I for one am glad that Rock has decided to rejoin the forum.

I missed his level-headed approach.

Thanks for coming home Rock!!

People just go to Steve Krulls Blog The Squatchdetective it speaks volumes about his background, as for "Public Apology to Steve Kulls" please just read it and well................................


http://www.webjam.com/squatchdetective

all self hype tho

spin control...


its real.


by this time next year the georgia bigfoot will have been a real live specimen, killed in the night by the jealous skeptics of the BFF board.

the georgia boys will have the scars to show they engaged in an intense firefight with the attackers, holding out against overwhelming numbers while biscardi and kulls flew over head in the command chopper dropping fresh ammo and the occasional latte to the defenders.


alas, it was all for naught, as starbucks picked that moment to close its doors and the confusion and shock allowed the skeptics suicide squad's last man to kill the specimen and all that was left to do was to put it in a freezer and haul it to indiana for no reason that can sanely be ascertained, ah, and hold a press conference 2000 miles away to divert attention from the real location of the remains.

one year from now it will have been ALL YOUR FAULT, all you here at BFF.

In retrospect, this was a fairly stupid thing to say. Of course, this is all about who. The what, when, and how are all being dissected elsewhere on the forum.

Please try to keep the nastiness level down. I think we can be critical of the decisions that have been made without resorting to personal attacks and the like.

This excerpt I find particularly amusing.


"On December 31st, 2005, Steve took Squatchdetective.com to a national level first exploring the alleged "Sonoma Video", which Steve had deemed an intricate hoax, to make Bigfoot research organizations look bad. It was later revealed that the Comic/Magical Duo of Penn and Teller had hoaxed it for their Showtime television program for exactly the purpose Steve had stated."

Ladies and gentlemen, and from the words of the thread author, the cry babies on this forum whose opinions mean nothing to me, I give you the first step in the resurrection of Kull's reputation. So much spin, makes me shake my head and then laugh. Not only complicit in suppressing information and delaying revelations but now this.

I still ask if the "friends" had broken the story on Saturday, would the release on Monday looked different and perhaps would Carmine had gotten such a nice treatment and pass by the media as the victim? I think not.

Edit to add I read LE's point of reading the appology, won't take time to dissect it, but it shows a continued lack of judgement, as your friend Kulls lied to you and the world with the various timelines and such, and the closing of the ranks.

The 4 Stages of Bigfoot...

1. How can I get in on it?

2. How can I use this to promote myself?

3. How can I cover my ass now that it has gone sour?

4. How long before people forget it even happened?

Sounds about right Monk!

Nailed it again BM!!!

My hats off to you Sam, You have a great way of stating the obvious!



No spin intended Waverly, just apologizing for my own actions. Kull's is a grown man and responsible for his own actions. Just as you are for yours.

I don't know anyone involved in this and I haven't really been around long enough to be aware of the previous dramas mentioned above but just listening to those radio programs featuring Steve at the airport and Steve with his SFBF "homies" was enough to tell me (and any other impartial listener with half a brain) the whole story. It was actually very challenging to sit through those radio broadcasts as the BS was soooooo thick. The way the interviewer (I’m guessing the OP) was giving Steve et. al. a pass made him look like he was part of the whole scam. Watching Steve hoax it up on Monster Quest was the icing on the cake actually.

As far as the “don’t hold people accountable for the actions of their leaders” thing . . . please! I didn’t know Tom Bascardi from Adam prior to that press conference. After listening to him speak and watching his amateur-night con man routine, well, you’d have to be mentally retarded to have that as your leader. Either that or you’re aware of his actions and you’re happy playing your part in his schemes. That man is so obviously a fraud and is absolutely horrid at “playing one on TV” as the expression goes. The journalists saw right through him the second he opened his lying, self aggrandizing mouth. No, Steve had his part to play in this whole thing and just listening to those radio programs featuring Steve should cement that in any reasonable person’s mind.

This public apology thread is ridiculous. If you wanted to apologize to Steve and you’re such good friends just call him and do it. By posting this thread you’re (in the eyes of those reading this) trying to distance Steve from this mess and prop him up. I’m sorry if that’s not the case but that’s how it appears. If you host those radio programs I listened to well, I would think these sorts of posts are (right or wrong) just furthering people’s opinion that you’re somehow involved in this whole thing.

R

From an outsiders POV I believe Steve Kulls was involved. I think (bigfootboy) is also trying to cover for him.

You talked to him on the phone... Answer me this.. Last Monday why was he trying to cover for Biscardi? It seems like you are trying to cover for him in the same way he was covering for Biscardi on Monday. He's changed his story so many times I find it hard to believe that anyone would fall for anything coming out of his mouth.. Then there ya go.. This thread is started. It's only proof that people like to hide from the truth based on them being friends with someone.

I will tell you this... If any of the people involved in this hoax ever come up with anything related to a bigfoot find (including Kulls) I will remember this mess and say to myself that they are lying. Sorry, but it's plain and simple truth. You put any one of those people (including Kulls) on a lie detector test and the thing will explode.

I can appreciate an apology to a friend. I don't necessarily agree though that there's not some spin or a personal agenda for posting your public apology here. Why not just call him on the phone? You had to know that you'd receive some adverse reactions with this posting, So why do you think the BF world, as it were, needs to know you're apologizing. Isn't the only person that needs to know, Kulls?

There's a conference scheduled. Be a shame if anything caused attendance to falter.

Cynic!

DAMM, mind me never to piss off any member of this board.

This has been brought up several times.... what makes people think that personal phone conversations did not occure?

I find it a good thing when a man can say "I made a very public mistake, now I am making a public apology"

What is so bad about that.

I have often found that those who are suspicous of alternative motives are that way because that would be the only reason that they would do such a thing.

An apology is fine. But keep it short and simple.
It's all the BS meant to mitigate and/or exonerate the other party that is not needed that is bothering a number of us.