I know some researchers would prefer excellent photo or video evidence, but shouldn't someone just shoot and kill bigfoot if they happen to find it? At this point we really need a body to convince the remainder of the scientific community and general public that it exists, and then we can take appropriate action to protect the population.


What are your thoughts?

As the latest events in GA prove, the need for proof is overwhelming and even clear photo or video evidence will simply not be enough.

Live capture would be preferable to killing one but creates significant logistical and safety concerns for the humans involved.

Observation/habituation like Dr. Goodall has done with other primates would be great but seems to have eluded us.

In the past I was in the no-kill camp but a body is what is needed.

I voted 'yes', but I want to add, it will not be me. If I ever see one I don't believe that I will need to prove anything to anyone regarding it's existence. Those that know me well will believe me; those that don't know me or don't believe me don't matter.

Choctaw

Ah, this classic poll again.

Unlike my opinions on most everything else Sasquatch related, my opinion on this one hasn't changed.

If the situation is such that a clean kill and the quick and complete recovery of the body are likely, then yes. Otherwise, no.

Agreed Robo

O whoops, I'm sorry if this poll has been created before.

I couldn't find a similar one using the search function.

Absolutely shoot, shoot twice, and even a third time. Life is precious, and killing anything with vertebrae is best avoided in non food gathering situations, but this would be for the good of an entire species.

Exactly, we should side with utilitarianism in this case.

i still think a body is needed but one that will be used for the good of the species not one to be used for profit.this incident here in georgia has really got me thinking about the kill or no-kill stance.seeing this supposed bf shot and stuffed in a freezer and used for monetary gain instead of for species recognition has really been an eye opener.i really do not understand someone wanting to hoaxe something to this magnitude and if it is real why the odd behavior and actions of the finders.why is this body not in a university going through the process of being recognized?frustration on both sides and GREED is the motive .shame on these people either way.

Personally I'm still standing by my "No Kill" stance. There are a LOT of people out there that are ready, willing and able to shoot one on sight. There are already too many people out there hunting for "Legal" game during the regular scheduled Hunting Seasons that have no business with a firearm, I can only imagine the number of like minded/skilled bigfoot hunters that are out there already. We all have warned goofballs to not wear "Gorilla Costumes" or "Bigfoot Costumes" but at the same time we know it's already being done, proven by videos on YouTube showing such actions being videoed. It's only a matter of time before the paths cross between one of these goofballs and someone out to shoot a bigfoot, and that will be tragic. I seriously doubt anyone would have a winnable defense claiming the person should never have been wearing the suit/costume in the first place. All the prosecutor needs to do is say is, "Bigfoot" doesn't exist so you should have known better than to shoot and you can bet the jury won't be full of bigfoot enthusiasts.

It might set off a sramble to shoot more Bigfoot's once one is shot and brought in...The Black market on them would be huge!!.....Plus once one is shot and the public knows that they do exist then alot of campers would be prone to carry a gun while camping and alot of them would be shooting at the noises in the day and in the day light in the brush and I know this already happens anyway but it would happen on a larger scale and the poachers will be everywhere...I don't think that the protection would be in place to protect them like the way our game is protected now....Ha Ha yeah right!....A lot of folks would becomes hunter's that never have spent a day in the woods in there life.....Don't get me wrong about the hunting of one I am a Hunter and avid outdoors man....Then there is the flip side too....Alot of good would come from bringing one in too and alot of people will feel vindicated too just like alot of folks felt the false vindication earlier this week......

You have to sacrifice one to save the species. As hard as it would be for me to personally do it (knowing that it would have to face you, there by possibly looking right into your eyes), I would have to take the shot. There is all the proof you would need.

Here's my take and the colorful language is in good humor.

If you happen to run across Bigfoot and you're armed with a firearm get that S.O.B. in your sights and start launching projectiles into that sucker until it either falls over or you run out of ammunition. If you hit your mark then you've got a dead Sasquatch and all the proof you and the rest of the world will ever need. If it gets away you've got blood samples and DNA (almost as good as a body). You also have a trail that can be followed. Odds are if you had sufficient calibre you'll eventually find the body. But enough pussyfooting with cameras and gentle persuasion. Lock and load boys and girls the big monkey has had its day. We're smarter, we outnumber him, and why should we humans pretend to play nice? We don't play nice with anything not with the land, not with the sea, not with ourselves so why should we play nice with Bigfoot? BANG BANG BOZO dodge this!

Yeah we need a body soon or pack up and go home!

If you want to prove Bigfoot exists, then yes.

IMO, any photo evidence isn't going to do it anymore. With the Temagami/GA pics being costumes with decent makeup, it just shows you that a photo just won't prove it with the fakes that are out there.

Not to change the subject, but does anyone think that the more and more pics we see of these recent outfits, the more that "Patty" just looks like a primitive costume?

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I really have no need to let the world know there is a BF, Guess if i seen one i would be pretty satisfied and move a long with life as it is, If you feel you need to shoot one to prove they are here and running around cleaver enough to keep from YOU all these yrs, You need to answer a question or two, Are you going to shoot it cause you want to make a great discovery for mankind, Or are you going to be the first one to shoot it and be responsible for it's demise as a species at mankind's hand, Ya i know thats a bit out there, I just feel i need to say it, Keeps my thoughts in check when i read the replys, Good to get a feeling on how folks stand

Peace
Tim

A deer or a rabbit, that's a dumb animal.
Sasquatch lives all over the planet and noone has gotten a decent photo in 40 years, that's a fact that suggests he isn't dumb.
I don't think you can kill something that may be intelligent enough to debate your own prokill logic.
Philosophically, that would be unsound, you could go mental. Preserve your sanity, shoot with a camera.

Sasquatach is only reported to live all over the world. Nothing I repeat nothing can remain hidden forever unless its extremely rare and not widely distributed. The most stealthy animals on earth such as Lynx and Snow Leapords leave tracks and can be caught trapped hunted and photographed. But here's the rub these are not rumored to exist they do exist. Sasquatach is rumored to exist and at the rate we're not finding him there's a fat chance that he'll be shot on camera or by firearm. If he does turn out to be widely distributed then taking one out for science isn't the end of the world.

If we are talking about anyone other than me, go right ahead and shoot. As for me, Hell No! Whatever those things are they are BIG and NOT alone. I'm kind of figuring that based on the size that they would pound me into mush and from what I saw they are fast and quiet. So after I popped old BF Joey, BF's Guido and Vinnie would be all over me like ugly on ape. So you guys shoot em I ain't got the nerve.

You bring up a great point. Right now I say yes, I'd go for the kill. But if I was actually in the situation, I don't know, I think I would, but if you miss you may have a Sasquatch charging at you.

agree , if theese creatures realy exists and are anything like people who have described them. you basically have one shot at the title, any form of close combat is out of the question, a normal sized human male vrs a Bigfoot male is like,, Karelin vrs a 6 year old kid.


fistfight vrs one of those big boyz? i dont think so.

Every bigfoot poll has been created before, but there's nothing wrong with asking again!

As besides, search is offline. You're supposed to read all 470k posts to make sure nobody asked this before?

Finally, take the clean shot. Kill the damned thing. Then we can call start talking about Chupecabra or Rods or some other stupid thing.

My thoughts are that I would want to shoot a bigfoot in a self-defense situation only, and then I would certainly shoot to kill. A wounded, ticked off sasquatch would make for one helluva adversary!

I think photographic evidence, especially video, could go a long way toward proving their existance IF it was something besides the customary blobsquatch type. For example, if one could get clear video of the creature moving around and also good footage of the surrounding area, where comparisons of size, etc... could be made later by others, I think it would go a long way toward offering proof. It wouldn't necessarily be easy, but it is possible.

When I had my sighting, I had the chance to shoot, but chose not to. Had I had a larger calibre weapon at the time, I'm not sure if I would have chosen to shoot or not, but as I only had a Ruger .22 automatic pistol at the time, I knew without doubt that all that would do to something that big would have been to piss him off! It would probably have been to the bigfoot what getting shot by a BB gun would be to a grown man.

Shooting one would no doubt be the quickest way to prove their existance, but it wouldn't necessarily be the only, or even the best, way.

I vote "not to shoot". The only exception is self-defense. If these are real creatures, they have DNA like any other animal. Barring the hard to believe possibility of them being essentially modern humans, their DNA should establish their existence. DNA evidence wouldn't be as good as a body but it would be far beyond any evidence so far. It is important to at least know what you are killing and DNA should tell you that also. Gathering DNA evidence should also be much easier than killing one.

I'd shoot it like some crazy man was trying to steal a taco from my child

I wouldn't want a pissed off Sasquatch chasing me

Haha, why not?

If somebody is set on proving Sasquatch then you need a body. Anything less and you're wasting your time.

How could anyone shoot one of these magnificent peaceful creatures?

Hello, first time posting here. I have always thought no to this topic. If BF exsists, they have done well without our help so I think that "killing one to save the species" is not a valid argument in this case. Its not like it can be proven that their numbers in the wild are dwindeling. If they are dwindeling, we probably cant save them now. Animals are going extinct all around us and we cant stop the extinction of most of them and killing one to save the species is not going accomplish anything except bring the species one specimen closer to exctinction IMO. HOWEVER, if someone had the opportunity to capture one vs shoot it. Then i would have to say shoot it. If your hellbent on having a body, i would rather opt for the body vs the live speciman. I would hate to think of the life the poor creature would live once it was captured. It would never be released, it would be tested, prodded, poked, slapped in a cage. If these exsist, I would guess they are of higher intelligence than most creatures. Have you ever seen pics of chimps in cages their whole life? you can see an emptyness in their eyes. I would hate to see that happen to one of these. would rather see it dead than spend the rest of its life in a cage, a spectacle for the world. I know it sounds like im contradicting myself but Im really not. I would not kill one to prove to the world it exsists. But if you want proof, some is going to need to do it. Just dont do it under the false pretenses of saving the species or protecting it.

Just my .02 cents.

Sort of off topic, but in the astronomically unlikely event that one was captured alive, I think there would be tremendous public pressure for it to be released, perhaps with a tracking device.

Certainly, a lot more could be learned from it if it was released and observed than if it were left in a cage.

First, let me state that I am pro-shoot. But I have a few probably really dumb questions for the forum. Here goes:

If you get a DNA sample, all you are going to get is a result for an unknown animal. Don't you need a body from which to extract known DNA to compare to other samples?

There is some consideration given to the possiblity of the Southern Bigfoot being a different species from the NW types. Would you need a body from the different geographical regions (US, Russia, Nepal, Australia, China, etc.) to compare characteristics and determine how much they are alike genetically?

Once the first one is brought in, don't you think the scientific community will bring a large amount of resources to bear to collect a live one(s) for research and studies?

Anyway, too much time on my hands and my thoughts go wild...

The only fully bipedal primates roaming the planet are human beings. This is a scientific fact. A=A

If you shoot a "fully bipedal primate roaming the planet", what have you killed? (hint, see above)

Doesn't logic dictate you first prove you're not about to kill a human being? or maybe it's okay to be a premature shooter because your impatience trumps the scientific fact.

This is a excellent point Chronic, and one of the many reasons why I believe the Art Bell/Bugs story to be a true one.

As long as "someone" is doing it for the good of science.

I voted no, something that may be as close to human as has been reported, likely has a right to live that takes precedence over proving they exist.

The scientific community would like to see a body to classify it, but this would only prove they exist, and all so that we can prove we're not crazy and to say I told ya so, it wouldn't necessarily lead to protection. You could pass some laws prohibiting killing them, but if you cant find a live one to observe, or a dead one, then you cant determine that any effort to protect them is working or not. You have to show some empirical data that populations are dwendiling in the first place right?

Now, on the other hand, if certain sounds were accepted as a positive indication of their presence, then you may have a method to conduct census work. But their would be lots of work to do in this regard, being that they've been seen in every state, nearly.

SY

Wouldn't a new animal possibly prove that not a fact? Doesn't more related information help to prove or disprove something? How do you know that's a fact if there is another "fully bipedal primate roaming the planet" that isn't human, or what if it's a fully bipedal "animal", or what if BF is not "fully bipedal". I think the only way to know is to capture one, dead or alive.

I also don't think any animal has a "right" to live. Maybe it's a privilege.

At this point I don't think mainstream science is going to accept anything less than a body.....shoot him!

Unfortunatly, I believe this to be true. I personally don't think I could pull the trigger, unless I was in danger. I'm not a hunter, besides I don't think I would be able to sleep at night if I killed one, it would haunt me for years. I would rather watch it dissapear back into myth, than take it's life. jmo

The last time we had this poll, I think I said shoot, but I probably couldn't do it. Several years later, I still think we need a body and if given the opportunity, I think I could bring myself to do it.

I would definitely bring the camera up first, and only switch to a gun if (1) the big guy gets within my discomfort zone with a snarling look and (2) I were packing a 45/70 or something I thought might do more than p*** him off. I believe that they are way too close to us for me to shoot unless my life is in jeopardy.

Shoot. Shoot again. Keep shooting till there's nothing left to shoot.

And then another round. Let's settle this thing.

To take that shot I'll be doing it for my wallet first, the good of science second.

Its a hard decision to make because we don't know what these creatures are exactly. Time and time again there are reports of some kind of bigfoot language or "chatter" I've heard some noises recently that I believed were sasquatch and at the time I heard other noises that sounded faintly like some humans talking. Now I don't know what this was and because I saw some cars up the mountain road I was on I figured maybe some hunters got out up the road and were chatting.

I had never heard of bigfoot "talking" but I decided to do some investigating on this matter. Take a listen to some of the bigfoot sounds of "samurai chatter." Compare that with reports like the 1924 story Of Albert Ostman where lots of chatter was involved and the bigfoot blocked his way saying what sounded to him like "Soka, soka." When I stated uncovering this and some other reports it kind of gave me an eerie feeling because if this is true, it almost seems like the creature has a language comparable to humans. It makes me rethink my notion that they are purely animal. They could be from an evolutionary line related to humans. Weren't the native americans always referring to them as hairy people of the mountains?

At the same time there is very good reasons to shoot them. I think from what I've seen the general public will NEVER EVER EVER accept a bigfoot video. We find this phenomenon all over the place. I've been told by people that videos I've taken of even non bigfoot things had to be fake. There is always doubt about pictures and video. Especially in the digital age where anyone can be a photoshop king. The only answer is a body. I'm sure a lot of us know that without a doubt this thing is real and especially after the Georgia fiasco I know I've been tempted myself to find the biggest gun I could and go back out to my spot. Its gonna be tough ever proving to everyone they are real.

Yes, shoot the piss out of it. Just be damn sure its a SAS. Plenty of hunters in CO shooting the Moose, thinking its an Elk.

Yes I definately think that all of the creatures in that video should be shot

Killing one Sasquatch may save a thousand. If you are pro-killing, positively identify your target; military and hunter camouflage is extremely advanced. Just remember the old adage: Once you draw blood from an animal you are committed to finishing the job. Know the vitals, use enough gun and make sure you are competent with the firearm. You need not use an elephant gun, nor should you use anything under .25 caliber. Consider it to be a high CXP3 to low CXP4 class animal. Don't chance it. Avoid head shots or perforating it; remember its utter invaluable importance to science. Be aware of your surroundings, many reports suggest more than one may be in the area.

Make sure no "Jack Links" commercials are being filmed in the area.

I'm a hunter, I'm pro-kill, to protect it. It is not an ethical question for me. Kill an animal to study it.

But I couldn't do it. I've heard that damned samaria chatter up close and it scared the living hell out my wife and I. I have never experienced fear like that before, or since, in my life. We were both armed with high powered deer rifles and I almost dropped them just to lose the weight and run faster to my jeep 20 feet away! I've been up close and personal with bears, mtn lions, moose and nothing hit a nerve with me like that howling with the chatter in between (answered by a second, more distant howl).

They are not just animal......there is something different, almost supernatural, or part human, I don't know. I hope someday we will know. All I can say is I know it's out there. It is the most amazing mystery on the planet. I'm going to study a cast this weekend, should be fun.

interesting. I thought it might be pretty common I've read it in so many reports now. I wonder what would happen if someone stood there and tried to communicate with it