Someone please help me understand this!! There are many elusive animals that people spend their entire lives trying to find, and even after a lifetime never actually see. Now I'm talking about animals that we know about for sure, like Mountain Lions. Often, the only way to find these animals is the use of hound dogs. WHY NOT APPLY THE SAME PRINCIPLE TO THIS????? Seems to me like most people who are believers think that remote cameras will somehow fail, thermal/night vision won't work. well..... if it's an animal, then there is scent. Can we all agree on this?? So, why not use the one thing we "know" that this animal (should it exist) has. Scent is inescapable. Why not use hounds to find Bigfoot, if it's really out there?

Well, it's been my experience with hound dogs that you have to train them WITH the scent of the animal you want them to trail. Since the bigfoot scent is not readily available, what do we train them with? I guess if you had a hound with you when a sighting occurred and you immediately put him on the trail, he might trail the bf, or the scent might be so unfamiliar that he tucks tail and runs.

When that log truck hits that bf, the person who has the positive evidence could make a fortune selling it's scent....IMO anyway.

I've heard that about hunting dogs too, Jay.

wonder what an ounce of bigfoot stink would sell for on the hunting channels?

Well........many dogs (such as polics dogs) can be trained to follow any scent. they are trained to follow whatever you let them smell. Example....when they send a search team out to find a lost person...they just give a belonging to the the dog to smell...so it doesn't have to grow up just following that smell. Also People claim to have fur/hair samples...that would be a start.

Yes, that would be a start IF we could be sure the samples were of an actual bf. And, even if those available samples are of an actual bf, what's to say that every bf smells the same?

I'd love to see this explored, but I just don't see a hound starting off on the scent of an animal it's never smelled before. Of course, I don't know all hounds so there might be some that would take on the task.

This is an interesting topic and I have often had the same thoughts. I do not know a whole lot about dog behavior but it seems to me that they will chase almost anything -- cats, chipmunks, deer, raccoons, or whatever. From the reports that I have read that involve a bf and dogs the dogs seem to go nuts and are very weary of the bf. Maybe their is something about the smell of bf that put dogs in a frightened state; or it could be the ultra sound thing that Dr. Meldon talks about in his book; or maybe its because their 8 feet tall and hairy. Any thoughts or ideas?

If dogs would work I think dogs would have cornered one by now. The idea that this is an animal and just an animal makes the most sense. Once one has to start giving it (super biological powers) such as ultrasound then the believability factor goes into the basement. So is this thing out there? The odds are increasingly stacking up against it IMHO.

My thinking initially is that hounds would be successful, but how would you deploy them? Have a team positioned in key areas ready to go if an authentic sighting takes place? Go to areas of known recent sightings and let them follow a scent, possibly spending hours following a rabbit? If this thing is out there I think it's just going to be dumb luck that gets one, but I think there needs to be more focus on 24-7 cams like the Kentuky incedent.

From what I've heard about dogs tracking Sass... it works!

Then the owner was left with picking up the pieces. Guess it DIDN'T work.

Okay,

What's the rest of the story?

What if you get into a family unit of BF, and they scatter......... poor dogs wouldn't know who to follow.

I would have to guess that there is a common component to the smell of all members of a like species. Of course some people sure do stink worse than others..........

Most of the reports that I've read, and all the interveiws and discussions I've had with people involving a BF and dogs, is that the dogs didnt want anything to do with the BF scent what so ever. So much to the point of cowaring under the humans for protection.

Infrasound... not ultrasound... big difference.

wow, they really would be superior if they had "ultrasound".

I have read similar statements that dogs will stay behind and/or cower at the scent of a Sas. Isn't there a 911 call with a guy claiming that one killed his dog?



Somehow I became redundant!

Do dogs show this behavior with any other animal? I wonder if hounds have ever been used to track any escaped zoo apes. In almost every sighting report where a dog is involved they mention fear on the part of the dog so it would be interesting to see what triggers that response. I heard some ideas that Bigfoot can make a very low rumble that is a deterrent to other animals kind of like a warning and thats why birds and crickets and stuff fall silent when he is present.

Dogs, like any animal, are wary of the unknown. How much so comes down to each individual dog, its temperament and experience. But the biggest factor is training. I believe that dogs can be trained to hunt or fight anything.

If it's possible to send a pack of dogs against, say a couple of fully-grown, furious male Bengal tigers (which happened in the 18th and 19th centuries in the Tower of London a few times) then surely it's possible to set them on a large forest biped. After all, he's just a beast like them.

So why no dogs vs sasquatch encounters? I think 'normal' dogs (even brave, loyal ones) would run from him/his unknown scent, as I suspect they would from mountain lions and big grizzlies. Also, people don't tend to maintain packs of crazed fighting dogs with the fear bred out of them nowadays. If they do, it'd be for illegal dog combat not for letting go in woods. And even if they did release them, they'd have to do so in the right place at the right time.

But if in the unlikely event that someone had a pack of really mean hunting dogs, and they sicced this pack in woods where a sasquatch has recently passed through, I'm convinced the dogs would go after him, catch him and, if there were enough of them, tear him to pieces.

QFT, and I would add that while I've read a lot about dogs being afraid of bigfoot, I've also read several reports of dogs chasing Bigfoot. Whether or not the reports are true is another matter.

Thanks for the clarification. What is the difference?

Hi

There is a big differance

Infrasound http://www.lowertheboom.org/trice/infrasound.htm

Ultrasound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasound

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Tim

Dogs and Bigfoot do not mix. There are several reported cases of Bigfoots killing Dogs. There have been cases of severe agression directed towards people with Dogs. I know people who live in the Mountains here that say their Dogs are just quaking with fear whenever a Squatch is around.

I find it hard to believe that it would be very successful.

Hi

I am wondering were you got so much info on BF and Beyond, you kinda sidetracked the new members welcome thread, Could you introduce yourself

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Tim

I have resolved the bigfoot v. dogs issue. Please see below video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MV1cjTvVkk...feature=related

OK, I have hunted with dogs pretty much most of my life. I happen to have a pack of hunting dogs. I use them for hunting Wild Boar. I have also had a pack of cat hounds that I used to run mountain lions with. Any of the breed of dogs that you used to hunt dangerous game like this, are pretty much fearless. They have to be, because they can get killed by the very thing they are looking for, yet they still go out and find them.

The only problems I see, are:
1. The only things these dogs DO fear are people, because it is bred into them to look at us as "People" not wild game. If bigfoot smells like a person, then I don't know if they would take a trail. I guess bloodhounds do, but that is something I have no experience with. If they smell like gorillas, then this wouldnt be a problem.

2. Hounds have to be trained. If you want hounds to run mountain lions you start them on feral cats with bobcat scent on them, or bobcats because they are easier to get on. Then you graduate to mountain lion scent. You eventually train them to ignore everything else but that scent. This is called "trash breaking" It takes years before they can be counted on to ignore other scents. By default they have a super high prey drive, and tend want to trail and run anything they come across. How would you do that when you can't get bigfoot scent or bigfoot subistutes for training? That would be the main thing.

Now if they smell like gorillas maybe someone that knows someone who knows someone could get some gorilla scent to train with. That would be interesting for sure.

There are several dozen unsubstantiated but interesting reports of dogs being killed by Bigfoot or being afraid of one. There are also several reports of dogs allegedly tracking a Bigfoot, chasing one off, nipping at ones heels etc. etc.

Whichever way you slice it is not a proven fact pro or con.

I read a report somewhere where a person looking at their window one night saw what appeared to be as Sasquatach running hell bent down the street being followed by a pack of dogs. A few dogs might cower but a pack of any decent size with sizeable dogs in it would be able to take on just about anything. Dog packs especially ferral dogs can operate much like wolves. If the dogs were intent of putting the Sas's lights out they'd run him out to exhaustion then finish him off. Nothing has the running stamina of a cannine. The legend that dogs won't follow Sasquatach scent may be a handy cover to disguise the fact that nobody has ever had a genuine Sasquatach scent to set dogs after?

Perhaps the bigfoot was luring the dogs into an ambush.

Perhaps he was luring them to a tea party using the good china. It's all supposition.

Yep, dog rib shish kabobs are probably a favorite I would imagine

Brushgrowler...is your idea of "going big or going home" using a pack of dogs?

I'd be willing to bet a box of donuts, that IF a Sass wanted to "put those dogs down", he could with minimal damage to himself.

The funny thing is is that this has already been done. John Green tried using bloodhounds on trackways but it never seemed to work because the tracks were not fresh enough or the fidos couldn't pick up a scent. I might be wrong but I believe this happened during the Pacific Northwest Expeditions and I think they were Ivan Marx' hounds and that between them and Marx they drove Rene Dahinden insane so he left shortly there after, I might be wrong here though. I also believe that John Green really wanted to use hounds on Patty's trackways but he couldn't get the money or resources to get himself or the hounds down there quick enough. This is just coming from memory so I might be wrong. Cheers!

Blood hounds ------ I wonder is Snelgrove Lake might not be a good place for blood hounds. Seems like there is activity there and the hounds might have a fresh track to follow especially if the rocks begin to fly.

My brother brought up this idea with me several times. He believes if the right kind of breed of dogs were used that may be less fearfull such as pit bulls and a big enough pack was used it would be interesting to turn them loose on one, but we were not talking about using them to find or track one. We were just entertaining the idea that if you had them on hand and began experiencing activity you would turn them loose to see what happens. He conjectured that if you had an area where there are claims of heightened activity over the years such as the area described as "Monster Central" that why not have groups with packs of dogs start on four corners and work their way in to see if anything gets cornered.

I do recall being on Winding Stair Mountain a few years back and we brought our Boxer along. This dog was normally hyper and would bolt out of the car the second you opened the door. We opened the sliding side door on our van and the Boxer backed up against the opposite wall of the van and remained silent. I had never seen him like that.

Dogs will work. I believe it was monster quest, bigfoot got hit by car people brought dogs tracked it in the woods. They got close enough to hear it thrashing through the brush. This took place in florida I believe the only reason they didnt track it down was because they werent prepared to get there gonads wet chasing it through swamps. I also read a very old report of two guys using there dog to track it and oventually cornered it, then they saw what they were dealing with and got out of there. It only makes sense to use dogs, mountain lions are some of the most elusive animals out there it is nearly impossible to hunt them without dogs. I think the sooner someone gets dogs on the trail of a bf the sooner bf will be proven.

According to many of the available reports, BF only appear to tolerate dogs who are not openly aggressive towards them. I have read reports by other researchers (on another forum) who use their dogs to alert them to cougars and bear while in the field. In the beginning, at first scent of BF, the dogs would usually hightail it back to the car in abject fear, all the while their masters hollering for them to come back. But after being exposed to the scent a number of times and being quietly walked on a leash through the research area repeatedly, the dogs become accustomed to BF being around and did not react unfavorably or in fear or aggressively. And at that point, neither did BF react badly to these now accustomed dogs. So dogs can be habituated to the presence of BF as long as they are not being asked to 'sick 'em'.

On the other hand, according to John Green, professional dog handlers and trackers were brought into the Bluff Creek area from the late 1950s (if I recall correctly) through the mid-1960s, but even these 'high blood', trained dogs proved to be quite useless, refusing to track. As he put it in one of his books, Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us, Second Paper Edition, 2006, p.75: "At the first sniff the dog turned as rigid as if she had been given an electric shock." Professional tracking dogs are apparently just as terrified of the BF scent as ordinary household dogs.

With a few reported exceptions aggressive dogs set to the task that do take up the scent either don't come back or are often found mortally wounded or dismembered. I have read a number of farm reports like this. For the most part, the sooner someone gets willing dogs on the trail of a BF the sooner BF will simply kill the dogs. I recall reading one report a few years ago of a pack of dogs being disemboweled, one by one, by a BF they had treed. As each dog lept up toward the branch holding the BF, he would reach down and grab one, lift it off the ground and reportedly disembowel it with his fingers or simply crush it, then toss it away until he could snatch the next dog; until there were no snapping jaws left to silence. Smart fellows, these BF!

Put it this way: If I owned a dog the last thing I would do is let it anywhere near BF.
Dudlow

Question for anyone who hunts with dogs. Do know of another animal dogs will not track?

Im not saying let the dog or dogs get killed in the the process. Fact is there are ways of useing a dog or a few dogs to track one and not get them killed. If a person trained there dog to be silent while tracking instead of hootin and hollering bf probably would be as pissed. Keep the dog on a short leash, if the dog tracks one try to get picture video something. I just dont see bf charging you and the dog, if it does decide to attack the dog your gna have footage of it what would a skeptic say, guy in ape suit rips dog tshreds. It would be a lot more convincing than the then any footage we have. I do agree if you let a pack of dogs chase a bf through the woods ur gna end up with dead dogs all over the woods. Its bs to say that dogs will die or wont track them in the first place blah blah blah that kind of attitude has been doing a lot for the bf community. If anyone else has a better idea for finding a bf please let me know. The only way a person finds a bf is dumb luck, people dont find bf, bf finds people. What if theres more people then dogs, say 1 well trained dog kept close to lets call it two or three people I dont think bf would charge, bf couldnt stay hidden for so long if it was that aggressive.

The biggest problem is getting the scent. Hunting dogs get killed whether there tracking bf, bear, or cougar. But once we find a way to get the dogs a scent there is no way for bf to get away, let me repeat that bf could not get away scent is there no matter how elusive bf is. It can be done we can find/track bf through the woods , yea it might take some effort but why not? O I remember why because we are so close to proving bf's existence, why bother when we are doing such a good job now. Fact is if we cant go after bf on our own terms, were in for god knows how many more years of frustration, hoaxers, spending more and more time debating things that are pointless. How about instead of discusing possible diet, migration, ect. Why dont we spend some time and come up with a new way of geting after bf that actually works. The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results This is just my opinion dont mean to offend anyone.

The thought of hunting dogs going after a bigfoot makes me think of my former Boss, a 6'5" Lieutenant in the Navy, who was afraid to go to Mexico. He heard a story of packs of up to 200 chihuahuas attacking people. He wouldn't go.

What is going to stop the Sasquatch from stomping on them one at a time? Seriously, because I don't know much about dogs. What would keep the sasquatch from killing them?

http://www.dogscouts1.com/Dog_Activ-_Scent...tance_Detection sorry I dont know how to do proper pseudo chemical is interesting

I would think some samples of the scent a stressed gorrila gives off would be worth a try in training dogs.

I imagine though that would be tough to obtain. Get a Gorrila all riled up and then try swab his armpits???

Hi

Get a Gorilla all riled up and then try swabbing his armpits???

That would present a bit of a challenge wouldn't it

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Tim

That reminds me of a girl I dated back in the 70's.

Hi

Well there is really not much to say with a confession like that, But thank heavens there are Questions ! ! Using alcohol as a scale or guide if you will, About how much did it take to date this girl on a nightly basis ?

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Tim

Oooh, she hardly had to drink anything at all, in fact, most nights she drank nothing. She was happy to date me!

(Don't forget Timmy, I spent the first 10 years of my working life living in a logging camp. If it had two legs... why, heck... if it was even 'sposed to have two legs, well it looked pretty good to me. )

Have fun, Norcal

Hi

This will be my last post concerning this matter

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Tim

BF and dogs do not mix period...I know of 3 sets of six hounds killed in encounters, some found up in trees 20 feet or more, others literaly smashed against trees, whiles others snapped in half like twigs....thats 18 dogs in 3 packs with 3 different groups and these were experienced bear dogs....

So there you have 18 dead dogs and 0 BF...A bear hunter and his son told me of an encounter where the BF was never seen, but the fight that happened between BF and the bear dogs was something out of the friggin twilight zone, only one dog survived, battered and bloody, they found it cowering and whimpering under the truck 10 miles from were the fight happened...

Its best you go into a known area of activity, if you need the courage of a dog, better keep it on a short leash or lose it....

Where'd this happen?

That is quite a shocking account of damage to canines, it sure would have been nice to document that carnage in a video or photo or two so that it could assist others that don't believe of the danger or think the hunters are telling some tall tales.

Please reply with as many details as possible regarding the loss of these 18 dogs. The remains of the poor dogs undoubtedly had blood from what ever killed them on their fur and in their mouths, and could be a source of Sasquatch DNA. Its truly a horrific, and incredible, event to even think about.....

...if true...