I jsut got this in the mail today and must say was extremely impressed.

It has to be the most convincing, well researched, as well as professional documentary I've ever seen on the subject.

I think one of the most *awe inspiring* points they brought up was the quadricep *lump* on the Patterson footage. To view that and realize that it is more than likely what they believe it is....a torn quadricep that wads up when flexed gives the footage even more validty than it had before.

Very well done. I think that to be one of the most impressive points ever made about the footage...


I am not so about one of the *Memorial day footage*, comments, though. The investigator states that the creature is *reacting to its environment* when it slows its pace once it nears the treeline (safety). To me, that could very may well be the fact that the *man in the suit* if merey tuckered out by that time, after hotfootin it across the field to in case the viewing people (suckers) had a gun!!!! (just kiddin on that point)

Seriuosly, I think the Memorial Day footage is incredible, to say the least, and yes, as someone else once said, the subject does seem to drop something as it nears the trees. Knowing that, I doubt a hoaxer would try to flee at that rate, while wearing that costume, and carrying a small bigfoot *prop*.....

Overall, I think it is the best documentary I've seen. Very professional, convincing, and impressive... I'd like to see another..

I enjoyed it myself!!!
Gave new creedence to the PG film. I have been to sites that Claim that this Film is a Fake.
I didn't really know who to believe untill SASQUATCH MEETS SCIENCE. It was very well put together!

Now, what is in QUESTION on this sites, is the SKOOKUM CAST. Same sites are saying that the SKOOKHUM CAST is from a BIG ELK. BFC has a pic of A BIGFOOT that if I read the reports right, that this one is real HA HA. It looks like a fake. The attachment below is the one that they are saying is a REAL
ONE (?)

Ken Burns would be Great to do a Series of Films of Sasquatch!
Belle[FONT=Geneva]

i agree, its a great program. i took it to work to share with a coworker, and i havent seen it since. it's making the rounds out there and from what i hear there's a long waiting list. i just hope they all remember it belongs to me when they're done with it. but i'm happy to do my part in spreading the word

gael

Big Foot Central is the home of Cliff Crook.
Hoax central would be a better name for the place...

That picture is a hoax.

Yep, old Cliff Crook, the name says it all. That's about everything you need to know about that guy.

I love that pic Good ol' Cliff, not even bright
enough to think about what's in the foreground.

The little green specks in the water? Duckweed, usually
no more than 1/8 in across.

How about the leaves in the lower left? I count three of
them and they're just a little out of scale. I haven't
figured out what the mystery plant is at the bottom yet,
but betting the leaves are only about 1/2 across.

So what I think you're looking at is poor ol' GI Joe in
a new fur coat, but strangely minus his head, and in it's
place is some strange face and no neck

But you do have to admit -for a hoax, at first look, it's not badly done.

And it continues to pop-up - it may not convince those of us "who've been around" for awhile... but for sticking a doll (in a fur coat) into a puddle of water did produce quite an image.

Good point, and very good observation....It does seem to suffer from innaccurate scale, doesn't it?

Given the probable size of the leaves, and their comparison to this *thing*, I'd gues-timate it to be a mere couple of feet high.........

Maybe its a rare *Pigmy Bigfoot*!

I noticed the Legend Meets Science was just aired again on The Discovery Channel last night... (Sunday ).......

Yeah, and it wasn't advertised either. I doubt they'd throw a program on last minute that they didn't have impressive # of viewers the first time around (or at least impressive relative to their expectations). That's a good sign that Discovery is taking interest in the subject.....I think?

I haven't been back to his site. Thought he seemed KOOKIE
He's KOOKIE and HE"S CREEPY.....
OR this one
He's Kookie and a Crookie....
Belle

I've showed the DVD to a few people, none were convinced. I'll admit that it doesn't prove the existence of Bigfoot, but for gawd's sake people, THE DERMAL RIDGES!!! I don't see why that doesn't convince the skeptics... I mean, the fingerprint expert said that "there IS a great ape living in North America." The prints are not a hoax. What more do you need?

TFA, that is the very thing that made my husband (the world's greatest skeptic :rolleyes: ) think that we may just be on the right track about this.

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Does anyone have a realistic(?), educated(?), inside knowledge(?), accurate(?) 'estimate' of what it cost (in toto) to 'produce' this show? Very curious.

"Harry"

If I am not mistaken, I believe that the picture is a Borthers Hildebrand painting. The last time I saw this it was on the cover of Eerie magazine..back in the 70's
Eerie is a Warren Publication who also publishes Creepy and Vampirella magazines
Their content is not related to Bigfoot in any way...

yes

Nice botanical flow HM

i'd like to know what people think of the freeman footage. I thought the big guy that showed up first looked like a guy with a beer gut in a fur suit. I also thought he moved exactly like some guy who got caught somewhere he wasn't supposed to be when he ducked kind of hesitantly/tenatively around the brush/tree. He was extremely heavy-looking and i couldn't begin to judge his stature and he didn't look especially muscular either (kind of looked like a former boy-friend! oops). I've only watched the dvd three times but i am totally puzzled by that piece of home video. Has there been any intensive investigation of that footage like there has been of patty and memorial day?

Rats!! I also meant to say (above) that i was very interested in hte possible hhernia on patty's thigh. Do any of the PT, sports medicine, or orthopedic folks here have any idea what kind of injury could cause that? I think they said it was a possible rupture of the quadriceps muscle or the ilial-tibial band of fascia covering the muscle.

Hey K9gal, I recall talk suggesting it could have been from a injury such as a
hole piercing maybe from a snag or sharp object. Perhaps it happened while Patty was young. In other words, some object may have punched a hole in the area that caused the muscle formation. How accurate that is I sure don't know. As far as the Freeman footage, the resolution is not good so its hard to say for sure what it is. Its certainly got people on both sides of it and it sure would be neat if it was real but no way of knowing. Its also interesting how the individual reaches behind itself to catch a branch without looking at it. And the point has been made it sure spends a lot of time looking at the ground. Plus there are questions regarding the individual who made the film.

IF that really is some sort of rupture there, and I have some doubts, then of the possible explanations, I'd tend to lean towards Streamrunner's first.

Other than that, about the only way for a quad muscle to rupture to that degree would be for the muscle to be suddenly and violently stretched, at high speed, while it's strongly contracted. Possibly she lost her footing walking downhill, the leg buckled and the muscle contracted in an attempt to regain control....something like that. But it would just about have to be an older injury, otherwise there's no way she'd be walking so well. She'd have had to have quite a bit of time for the other quad muscles to get strong enough to compensate, with a rupture that big and noticeable.

Which brings me to another train of thought....if she'd had that much time to recover, that ruptured portion would be SO atrophied, I seriously doubt it would be that visible....

But, as usual, who knows? All we can do is speculate, speculate, speculate...

editid fer the yoozual typoz

stacy, what do you see when they show hte supposed rupture in patty's thigh? Do you think it's an artifact of some kind in the film?

As far as a sharp jab to cause that kind of injury (apparent injury?), i don't know. I was at the tail end of saddle-breaking a young filly when i was many years younger, and we were just walkingwalkingwalking ad infinitum and i kinf of went to sleep and she suddenly whipped her head down and bucked up and started hopping around, right into a barb-wire fence. I pulled her head around to keep her neck out of the barb-wire and, of course, she danced my leg right into it, alot. I was in shorts and bare feet (i said young, right?) and my calf was jabbed and ripped in numerous places btwn the ankle and the knee. At first i couldn't figure out how all the cotton fibers had gotten into the wounds since i was in shorts and then it dawned on me that the white fibers were lots of very shredded fascia. Once it all healed, i did have muscle pouching out in little circles but eventually they did disappear, so the fascia must have eventually reconnected/regenerated? I think i've heard/remember that it takes longer to heal than muscle fibers? Eh?

and as i write and think my way thru this, is it possible she had a similar injury, like being gored by an elk, or clawed by a bear, or taking a kind of glancing bite from a cougar? An injury like that might be different from a violent tear at high speed, mightn't it? But then an injury like mine to a calf muscle might have a different outcome in a quadriceps for a creature with her size who uses those muscles so much to make long steep climbs...? Stacy? Streamrunner? Anyone?

and on to the freeman footage, yes, the 'whatever' looked kind of apologetic, which i thought was odd. Streamrunner, what did you mean about there being questions regarding the individual who made the film?

Hey gals, I am just going by what Doc Meldrum and the other fellow had to say regarding the possible injury and how it may have occurred. Remember its a hypothetical situation ....of the examples given I would guess a puncture wound of some sort maybe from a deer or elk. But I suppose it could have been a branch, snag or even sharp rock in a fall. If they are dropping significant distances to the ground from high places, that may have been a factor as well. Are they doing that ? Why not? Its all a guess and a few reports that suggest.....

Regarding the Freeman situation, I understand that he came up with evidence in places that others did not. There is some question about his involvement. Some feel on the merits of what they see tht this film has a chance to be real. Others doubt it strongly. Due to the resolution problems, you can't state it as real....
Of course it would be neat if it was. And... maybe it is. But we need more evidence so hurry up and get those vid cams out

THATS IT!!!
I have been trying for 3 years to figure out where I have seen that thing before..and I think you nailed it.
I cannot say forsure the date(or even the magazine), but I think you have it, I think it's from one of the fantasy mags from the 70's!

I don't know what it is, Doglady. It could be a muscle rupture, but that just doesn't quite add up for me. Any explanation is possible, I guess...it could be a mass of muscle and scar tissue from a major injury like the ones you described. Then again, we could all be racking our brains over nothing more than a trick of light and shadow, so as always, who knows?

what?