Full Version: Camper has very close encounter
Great report. Everyone should read this one. Good details, esp about the eyes and face.
Very up close and personal sighting.
Very up close and personal sighting.
Does this qualify as a "face to face" encounter? :~)
What a hair-raising story! I didn't get until the very end that the witness was a female. As a female myself, I'm not sure I would have acted so calmly had I been in her shoes.
Hi
That is a good one
I remember reading that a while back, I was looking for sightings in Colorado cause i spent a few yrs in the Army at Ft Carson and have always been curious about BF in that area
Peace
Tim
That is a good one
I remember reading that a while back, I was looking for sightings in Colorado cause i spent a few yrs in the Army at Ft Carson and have always been curious about BF in that area Peace
Tim
I suspect miss BF want a offering of a goat. Maybe trade for something. I'm sure thats what they would do in their society,share the food. The grunt was sign of disappointment. JMO.
From her description it's not too difficult using Google Earth to locate the meadow area in which she had this encounter with some certainty. Aside from being great habitat it also has a couple of other great criteria for good sightings: good weather for long distance visibility and high aspect terrain in which significant grazing areas for elk occur. Were I able this would be an area I'd consider for a long term observation program.
Willie makes a good point. She should have pointed at the goat and nodded her head at the BF. I wonder if he would have taken it.
That would have made for an even better story.
That would have made for an even better story.
No tracks, no evidence, no follow up and even went to sleep and so close that there wasnt vivid anatomical and physical detail?
Yep, another class A sighting
Yep, another class A sighting
QUOTE(CuriousJ @ May 6 2008, 04:51 PM) 
What a hair-raising story! I didn't get until the very end that the witness was a female. As a female myself, I'm not sure I would have acted so calmly had I been in her shoes.
Hey, where you gonna go, who you gonna call, when you're 10,000 ft. up all by your lonesome with goats and dogs (she was used to bear research remember, that kind of experience does one well in such other strange encounters). Chances are if things went bad the four leggers would have gone first, giving you an easy out, just glad she didn't use the pepper spray not knowing there was another and another and another to follow up with her mexican fiesta had that occurred. This was a palpably real encounter imho, no questions need be asked., and with springs available in drought you can rest assured the research area is primo.
QUOTE(longtabber PE @ May 6 2008, 08:05 PM)
No tracks, no evidence, no follow up and even went to sleep and so close that there wasnt vivid anatomical and physical detail?
Yep, another class A sighting
Yep, another class A sighting
Hi
Come on now, You know you like this one, An experienced back packer that worked with the Great Bear Foundation, It has pepper spray, goats that point, A wondering puppy, The feeling of being watched, Sounds like a nice peaceful spot, There is Stealth, Element of surprise, Fear, Low rumbling vocals, And a happy ending with a good night sleep
Peace
Tim
Oh I remember this one. I know the identity of the camper. Straight up lady, not given to flights of fancy in my humble opinion.
QUOTE(redratsnake @ May 6 2008, 08:33 PM)
Hi
Come on now, You know you like this one, An experienced back packer that worked with the Great Bear Foundation, It has pepper spray, goats that point, A wondering puppy, The feeling of being watched, Sounds like a nice peaceful spot, There is Stealth, Element of surprise, Fear, Low rumbling vocals, And a happy ending with a good night sleep
Peace
Tim
Come on now, You know you like this one, An experienced back packer that worked with the Great Bear Foundation, It has pepper spray, goats that point, A wondering puppy, The feeling of being watched, Sounds like a nice peaceful spot, There is Stealth, Element of surprise, Fear, Low rumbling vocals, And a happy ending with a good night sleep
Peace
Tim
All cuteness aside, the puppy rolled in bigfoot excrement, it seems, suddenly the sheen of that novelty had worn off. Doesn't sound like any tall tale
to me, but to each his/her own.
QUOTE(longtabber PE @ May 6 2008, 07:05 PM)
No tracks, no evidence, no follow up and even went to sleep and so close that there wasnt vivid anatomical and physical detail?
Yep, another class A sighting
Yep, another class A sighting
Not everyone is a former special forces superhero, skilled in multiple sciences, with the unlimited backing of the Military-Industrial Complex at their disposal. If a mere mortal doesn't react they way you would, it doesn't make them a liar.
That being said, I can't believe she didn't whip out a Barrett .50 Cal and put a bullet in that thing so we could get a good night's sleep for a change.
QUOTE(bipedalist @ May 6 2008, 05:29 PM)
...she was used to bear research remember, that kind of experience does one well in such other strange encounters.
Where in the report does it say anything about being involved in bear research?
From what I read - she volunteered for an organisation - but that could have been fundraising for all we know.
The fact that she states that she "... checked the area thinking there might be bear or mountain lion nearby but didn't find signs that would indicate a den..." makes me wonder what to heck she knows about bears and cougars in the wild. A "den" does not indicate whether a bear or cougar is in the area. Period.
I find it amazing she was able to 'sleep soundly' after that. She must have realized they had goat supper on their minds, and how was she sure they wouldn't come back in the middle of the night to make another attempt?
I would have either packed the goats out that night, or had them sleep with me in the tent at least!
I think the behavior exibited (extreme close range, very calm behavior) is largely due to her sex. Like I have always maintained, we need a Dianne Fossey of Sasquatches! Women make the best ape researchers.
I would have either packed the goats out that night, or had them sleep with me in the tent at least!
I think the behavior exibited (extreme close range, very calm behavior) is largely due to her sex. Like I have always maintained, we need a Dianne Fossey of Sasquatches! Women make the best ape researchers.
http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/news/camper.html
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Camper says she was 12 feet from curious giant
By Theo Stein, Denver Post Environment Writer
Sunday, January 05, 2003 — When Julie Davis burst from her tent in a remote part of the San Juan National Forest late on the afternoon of Aug. 5, 2000, the 54-year-old musician expected a confrontation with a hungry bear.
What she got was the surprise of her life.
"It was gigantic — it must have been 8 feet tall," said Davis, an experienced backcountry camper from rural Boulder County and a former volunteer with the Great Bear Foundation.
A sketch based on Julie Davis' witness account. (see link)
"My first thought was, 'I'm looking at something I've never seen before,"' she said. "I didn't even think Bigfoot. The notion that these animals were out there in Colorado never crossed my mind."
Too afraid to move, the former instructor at the University of Colorado Law School simply stared at the visitor standing 12 feet away.
"It had very, very broad shoulders — huge shoulders," she said. "Its face was almost completely covered in fur but human-like, on the human side of halfway between a human and gorilla."
Medium-chestnut fur "like an Irish setter's" covered the giant, which stared back at her in apparent curiosity with big brown eyes.
For five years, Davis volunteered with the Great Bear Foundation in Montana, and gave several presentations one summer seated at the foot of a stuffed grizzly.
"I've had a lot of time to get to know what bears look like up close," she said. "This animal was bigger than any bear."
Davis said the giant uttered a low rumble, and immediately a second animal — slightly smaller and lighter in color — peered at her from behind the big one.
Then they turned, ran back into the forest, and disappeared. She left the next day.
"It had very, very broad shoulders — huge shoulders,"For two years, Davis kept quiet about her encounter, sharing it with only a handful of friends and the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, a volunteer group that tracks reports of Bigfoot, or sasquatch, across North America.
Hers is one of 54 reports of sasquatch sightings, tracks or vocalizations in Colorado during the past 40 years that are listed by the BFRO on its website.
Like most witnesses, Davis did not want her name published at the time. And she did not add her account to the repertoire of songs and stories that make her a favorite performer on the folk scene.
But a Washington state family's recent claim that their father's crude hoaxes were responsible for the Bigfoot phenomenon spurred Davis to come forward.
"Ray Wallace's family is saying the entire thing's a hoax," Davis said. "He may have hoaxed some things, as people have long suspected he did. I don't disagree that there have been other hoaxes in populated areas."
Wallace's family says their father, who liked practical jokes, created the modern myth of Bigfoot by stomping a track of oversized footprints in a Northern California logging camp in 1958, using wood-carved feet. Wallace, 84, died Nov. 26 in a Washington nursing home.
That confession doesn't explain sightings and tracks found in Colorado or elsewhere in the interior West, Davis said. Nor does it account for Native American traditions, which hold that hairy giants have inhabited certain mountain ranges since the beginning of time.
Or what happened to her.
Davis had left Spring Creek Pass with a string of four pack goats and two border collies. She'd planned a 10-day trip down the Colorado Trail to Durango.
But after three days on the busy trail, one goat got sick. So Davis left the trail near Jarosa Mesa, hoping to find a secluded area where she could tend the sick animal. She set up camp in a meadow with a spring at the far end. After more than a day tending increasingly nervous animals with her, it reached the point where "I knew they were alarmed, and whatever it was it was right outside the tent."
"There is no question in my mind it was not a bear."She yelled at her dogs to stay put, grabbed pepper spray, and rushed out to face the intruder. "In my wildest dreams, I might have expected to see a grizzly from the south San Juans," she said. "There is no question in my mind it was not a bear."
Or a hoax, for that matter.
Not a soul knew where she was.
"I know from looking at the expression on its face and from the graceful way it ran off that there was no way it could have been hoaxed," she said. "It was absolutely a beautiful lope. You could see muscles moving under the fur."
Davis knows the Bigfoot hoaxes and her resume as an entertainer will lead many to scoff at her account.
"I don't care if anybody believes me or not," she said. "I know what it was, and it was real."
"There's nothing more persuasive than staring something straight in the face."
From: The Denver Post, 5 January 2003.
By Theo Stein, Denver Post Environment Writer
Sunday, January 05, 2003 — When Julie Davis burst from her tent in a remote part of the San Juan National Forest late on the afternoon of Aug. 5, 2000, the 54-year-old musician expected a confrontation with a hungry bear.
What she got was the surprise of her life.
"It was gigantic — it must have been 8 feet tall," said Davis, an experienced backcountry camper from rural Boulder County and a former volunteer with the Great Bear Foundation.
A sketch based on Julie Davis' witness account. (see link)
"My first thought was, 'I'm looking at something I've never seen before,"' she said. "I didn't even think Bigfoot. The notion that these animals were out there in Colorado never crossed my mind."
Too afraid to move, the former instructor at the University of Colorado Law School simply stared at the visitor standing 12 feet away.
"It had very, very broad shoulders — huge shoulders," she said. "Its face was almost completely covered in fur but human-like, on the human side of halfway between a human and gorilla."
Medium-chestnut fur "like an Irish setter's" covered the giant, which stared back at her in apparent curiosity with big brown eyes.
For five years, Davis volunteered with the Great Bear Foundation in Montana, and gave several presentations one summer seated at the foot of a stuffed grizzly.
"I've had a lot of time to get to know what bears look like up close," she said. "This animal was bigger than any bear."
Davis said the giant uttered a low rumble, and immediately a second animal — slightly smaller and lighter in color — peered at her from behind the big one.
Then they turned, ran back into the forest, and disappeared. She left the next day.
"It had very, very broad shoulders — huge shoulders,"For two years, Davis kept quiet about her encounter, sharing it with only a handful of friends and the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, a volunteer group that tracks reports of Bigfoot, or sasquatch, across North America.
Hers is one of 54 reports of sasquatch sightings, tracks or vocalizations in Colorado during the past 40 years that are listed by the BFRO on its website.
Like most witnesses, Davis did not want her name published at the time. And she did not add her account to the repertoire of songs and stories that make her a favorite performer on the folk scene.
But a Washington state family's recent claim that their father's crude hoaxes were responsible for the Bigfoot phenomenon spurred Davis to come forward.
"Ray Wallace's family is saying the entire thing's a hoax," Davis said. "He may have hoaxed some things, as people have long suspected he did. I don't disagree that there have been other hoaxes in populated areas."
Wallace's family says their father, who liked practical jokes, created the modern myth of Bigfoot by stomping a track of oversized footprints in a Northern California logging camp in 1958, using wood-carved feet. Wallace, 84, died Nov. 26 in a Washington nursing home.
That confession doesn't explain sightings and tracks found in Colorado or elsewhere in the interior West, Davis said. Nor does it account for Native American traditions, which hold that hairy giants have inhabited certain mountain ranges since the beginning of time.
Or what happened to her.
Davis had left Spring Creek Pass with a string of four pack goats and two border collies. She'd planned a 10-day trip down the Colorado Trail to Durango.
But after three days on the busy trail, one goat got sick. So Davis left the trail near Jarosa Mesa, hoping to find a secluded area where she could tend the sick animal. She set up camp in a meadow with a spring at the far end. After more than a day tending increasingly nervous animals with her, it reached the point where "I knew they were alarmed, and whatever it was it was right outside the tent."
"There is no question in my mind it was not a bear."She yelled at her dogs to stay put, grabbed pepper spray, and rushed out to face the intruder. "In my wildest dreams, I might have expected to see a grizzly from the south San Juans," she said. "There is no question in my mind it was not a bear."
Or a hoax, for that matter.
Not a soul knew where she was.
"I know from looking at the expression on its face and from the graceful way it ran off that there was no way it could have been hoaxed," she said. "It was absolutely a beautiful lope. You could see muscles moving under the fur."
Davis knows the Bigfoot hoaxes and her resume as an entertainer will lead many to scoff at her account.
"I don't care if anybody believes me or not," she said. "I know what it was, and it was real."
"There's nothing more persuasive than staring something straight in the face."
From: The Denver Post, 5 January 2003.
I really enjoyed this report it sounds very sincere and to the point.She describes her encounter how i had my second encounter.Although it was terrorfying it is hard to explain the peace that had came over me when I had my second encounter .I can really relate how she felt when she went to sleep that night after her encounter.I somehow had this peace come over me the second time i had my encounter.I had no fear .Her dogs reacted different from how mine acted but not all dogs are the same.There is just something in this report that hits home for me ,some kind of understanding.Something else that this report confirms for me is that these creatures do not travel alone.
QUOTE(Texas Bigfoot @ May 6 2008, 09:07 PM)
Not everyone is a former special forces superhero, skilled in multiple sciences, with the unlimited backing of the Military-Industrial Complex at their disposal. If a mere mortal doesn't react they way you would, it doesn't make them a liar.
That being said, I can't believe she didn't whip out a Barrett .50 Cal and put a bullet in that thing so we could get a good night's sleep for a change.
That being said, I can't believe she didn't whip out a Barrett .50 Cal and put a bullet in that thing so we could get a good night's sleep for a change.
I dont think I said the word "liar" so with that understood, I find it "odd" she didnt at least walk around the perimeter to see what else she could find in the way of tracks etc. ( not much skill and resource required for that) since she made 2 reports. ( or attempted some kind of follow up)
The other detail is not leaving due to the goats. ( I agree it would be logical to believe BF might have wanted goat for dinner)
QUOTE(ThisIsJack @ May 6 2008, 11:41 PM)
Hi
Thank you for that,
Peace
Tim
LT - I don't think she really needed to look for tracks! Enough "proof" 12 feet away.
This is one of the most convincing reports that I have read. I am not troubled by the fact that she went to sleep soon after the encounter. A female that back packs alone for 10 days is not one to be frightened as most of us would be with such an encounter. More compelling is that she was willing to have this account posted in the newspaper. It is one thing to have a report posted anonamously on a website that is generally visited by those who believe in BF verses a story in the newspaper.
It is interesting that she uses the term "loping" instead of running or jogging. I have seen this term a lot in bf reports and according to the www.freedictionary.com loping is definded as: "to move or run with a long easy stride." I am having a hard time visualizing what this would look like. Has any one ever done an animation based upon eyewitness reports that illustrates bf "loping." If not, it would be an interesting task for one who has the requiste skill.
On a side note, it appears to me that in the "memorial day footage" that the bf is running instead of loping.
It is interesting that she uses the term "loping" instead of running or jogging. I have seen this term a lot in bf reports and according to the www.freedictionary.com loping is definded as: "to move or run with a long easy stride." I am having a hard time visualizing what this would look like. Has any one ever done an animation based upon eyewitness reports that illustrates bf "loping." If not, it would be an interesting task for one who has the requiste skill.
On a side note, it appears to me that in the "memorial day footage" that the bf is running instead of loping.
QUOTE(longtabber PE @ May 7 2008, 04:36 AM)
I dont think I said the word "liar" so with that understood, I find it "odd" she didnt at least walk around the perimeter to see what else she could find in the way of tracks etc. ( not much skill and resource required for that) since she made 2 reports. ( or attempted some kind of follow up)
The other detail is not leaving due to the goats. ( I agree it would be logical to believe BF might have wanted goat for dinner)
The other detail is not leaving due to the goats. ( I agree it would be logical to believe BF might have wanted goat for dinner)
No, I said liar. But I'm not in the mood for herring. The point remains. If she didn't launch a full and complete investigation, it doesn't mean she is incompetent, or embellishing, or mistaken, hell, you know a lot of words, pick a couple. She didn't leave, but she also said she didn't feel threatened. If the thing wanted a goat, it could have taken one right there. Free Cabrito, no waiting!
I still don't understand why we (the royal "we") find it suspicious when people don't react the way we would, or think we would, in a once-in-a-lifetime, stressfull situation. People do crazy things all the time. For no reason. You can know everything, and still not know people.
Just a couple or so points that register with me as being odd...
Her demonstrated lack of knowledge of bear and cougar habits. (as I posted above)
Her lack of knowledge regarding pepper spray and how it works. Size does NOT matter. Pepper spray works on grizzly bears that have a much more ferocious reputation and are comparable in size to what she reports seeing.
To me - this seems like she could be guilding the lily in that she was maximizing the danger to herself - but at the same time rationalizing and emphasizing her spritual affinity with the creature - IMHO
Which brings me to this point... I have interviewed and investigated large numbers of actual events where people have been subjected to all types of terrorizing situations involving human and animal interaction. Never once have I heard of someone being terrorized - but not afraid. This strikes me as really puzzling. I can understand her rationalizing after the event - which is not unknown - but not during the event.
These are just points that I would like to clear up. In and of themselves - these points alone do not give me any reasson to call this report one way or the other.
The fact that Teresa gives this woman a good character reference is certainly a point in her favour. IMHO.
Texas Bigfoot ---
In any investigation, people that do not act in ways that are considered within the parameters that one would expect a "normal" human being would act - raise big red flags. That is why bringing the point up is not a "red herring" as you argue - but a valid point that any real investigator would question.
Her demonstrated lack of knowledge of bear and cougar habits. (as I posted above)
Her lack of knowledge regarding pepper spray and how it works. Size does NOT matter. Pepper spray works on grizzly bears that have a much more ferocious reputation and are comparable in size to what she reports seeing.
To me - this seems like she could be guilding the lily in that she was maximizing the danger to herself - but at the same time rationalizing and emphasizing her spritual affinity with the creature - IMHO
Which brings me to this point... I have interviewed and investigated large numbers of actual events where people have been subjected to all types of terrorizing situations involving human and animal interaction. Never once have I heard of someone being terrorized - but not afraid. This strikes me as really puzzling. I can understand her rationalizing after the event - which is not unknown - but not during the event.
These are just points that I would like to clear up. In and of themselves - these points alone do not give me any reasson to call this report one way or the other.
The fact that Teresa gives this woman a good character reference is certainly a point in her favour. IMHO.
Texas Bigfoot ---
In any investigation, people that do not act in ways that are considered within the parameters that one would expect a "normal" human being would act - raise big red flags. That is why bringing the point up is not a "red herring" as you argue - but a valid point that any real investigator would question.
Two points, though 12 ft. away, pepper spray would only work for animals that weren't two-armed and two handed, quick and coordinated enough to deflect a pointing reaction that may have been obviously threatening to such a creature. Though the reaction time to trigger the spray would have been fast, bf may have been as fast, if it had closed in on her that might have enhanced her accuracy some but the fear factor may have created some issues. Other point: she discusses the local drought, dryed up streams nearby, dry lightning storms that day, etc., get the point, no tracks are going to be noted from that environment for the untrained unless it was near the one functional spring in the meadow. An investigator or tactical tracker may have been able to make something out of it, if she was not so remote. Still like the gals pluck, she was tending a sick goat but trying to assimilate several new goats to the trekking process through gradual break-in, that does not infer running home to mommy when things get tough, unless bf presents as a threat or has young with them.
She stated she would not have used the pepper spray because she did not think it - "... would daunt what I saw. It might have been a very minor annoyance, at best".
Distance, reflexes, etc did not enter into her decision. Those are your rationalizations - not hers.
Your point about the water shortage is very good. Any experienced hiker would know that the best place to look for animal sign is at the water hole. The fact that she did not look there tells me that she didn't really look at all. Wonder why?
Distance, reflexes, etc did not enter into her decision. Those are your rationalizations - not hers.
Your point about the water shortage is very good. Any experienced hiker would know that the best place to look for animal sign is at the water hole. The fact that she did not look there tells me that she didn't really look at all. Wonder why?
QUOTE(rockinkt @ May 7 2008, 07:39 PM)
She stated she would not have used the pepper spray because she did not think it - "... would daunt what I saw. It might have been a very minor annoyance, at best".
Distance, reflexes, etc did not enter into her decision. Those are your rationalizations - not hers.
Your point about the water shortage is very good. Any experienced hiker would know that the best place to look for animal sign is at the water hole. The fact that she did not look there tells me that she didn't really look at all. Wonder why?
Distance, reflexes, etc did not enter into her decision. Those are your rationalizations - not hers.
Your point about the water shortage is very good. Any experienced hiker would know that the best place to look for animal sign is at the water hole. The fact that she did not look there tells me that she didn't really look at all. Wonder why?
Yes, she didn't have to use the pepperspray but it sounds like she brought it for bears not bigfoot....that was the point as well as the criticisms about her bear knowledge or lack of......if she was smart enough to know the pepper spray was like spitting in the wind, she was smart enough to retell the incident the way it happened. Anyone that would use pepperspray against a grizzly or bigfoot if they are in a jamb are in a desperate straight and may not live to tell about it. As for rationalizations, I have no experience with pepper spray and hope never to have any. If it is something I thought I'd have to use, I'd certainly blow a few bottles practicing with it and getting the aim down though before employing it in the woods though. You'd better hit a thick-armed squatch with it right the first time, there will be no second. Ditto the grizzly. If you are tending to a flock and are responsible for a sick animal in a neighboring beasts front yard, I would think you would not do a lot of things like a seasoned investigator might. Why do all witnesses, even if they have backcountry experience, have to be experts in everything bigfoot? It just isn't going to happen that way too often. Maybe she knew of bigfoot from other experiences, that in my mind is a more interesting question, than picking apart her report.
Pepper spray would absolutely work on Bigfoot, I doubt just because it is bipedal that it would instinctivley try to deflect a pionting motion I doubt unless he has been sprayed before that BF would even react before being sprayed. I also think that once sprayed he would freak out but probably wouldnt be back. After reading the report it seems to ring a bell like it was on a TV show. Very nice report though, maybe the Big foot picked up on the sounds and scent of the goats and shadowed her for a bit then felt it to be safe enough to approach with it's young when all of a sudden out pops the human! OOOOPS! (in samarui talk) Ok baby sas take a quick look then lets run into the woods on 3...
Hi
As far as the women not being to scared, My own personal experience with reptiles has a point, Most folks are scared to death of snakes, Even small ones, I don't flinch at them no matter how big or poisonous they might be, I have become used to them and have no fear ( or very little) just respect and the knowledge that i have about them calms me in certain situations, If this women was working with animals and bears for a hobby, I can see why she would not be hysterical when standing so close to a BF, She has the animal knowledge and most likely could tell it was not a threat.........As far as looking for evidence, Why would she, As i see it she was on a tune up with her animals for an upcoming event, She was not out there looking for the bigguy and didn't even seem to care about them, As far as the pepper spray, I think she might have mentioned that to try and get across her point that the BF was not a threat but she did have something to protect herself if needed, I don't own a gun, when i go into the woods i carry a knife, I wish i had pepper spray cause i would use it if needed regardless if i knew it would work or not, When you get into trouble anything is worth a try, Just having it can give some sense of security, I like this encounter better than most, it just has a good vibe with me,
Peace
Tim
As far as the women not being to scared, My own personal experience with reptiles has a point, Most folks are scared to death of snakes, Even small ones, I don't flinch at them no matter how big or poisonous they might be, I have become used to them and have no fear ( or very little) just respect and the knowledge that i have about them calms me in certain situations, If this women was working with animals and bears for a hobby, I can see why she would not be hysterical when standing so close to a BF, She has the animal knowledge and most likely could tell it was not a threat.........As far as looking for evidence, Why would she, As i see it she was on a tune up with her animals for an upcoming event, She was not out there looking for the bigguy and didn't even seem to care about them, As far as the pepper spray, I think she might have mentioned that to try and get across her point that the BF was not a threat but she did have something to protect herself if needed, I don't own a gun, when i go into the woods i carry a knife, I wish i had pepper spray cause i would use it if needed regardless if i knew it would work or not, When you get into trouble anything is worth a try, Just having it can give some sense of security, I like this encounter better than most, it just has a good vibe with me,
Peace
Tim
RRS - I agree with you on this report. For the most part, credible.
A couple of points - Pepper spray is very effective against both Black and Brown (called grizzlies in the lower 48) bear. The only time that it does not work is when the spray does not directly hit the bear for whatever reason. Sometimes the wind is wrong or the sprayer is in haste. But, when it does hit the bear (either species) it is extremely effective. Not once have I heard of a bear attack after it gets hit. Timothy Treadwell probably would be alive today if he had continued to carry it. I carry it. I have practiced (only once, they are about $60 per can) I have seen tons of Blackies out here and have "charged" two of them and they run away like scared little babies....so far so good? (Some of the latest theories on Black bears is to actually run towards them. Obviously not a sow with cubs.)
Would it work on SAS? Jeez, who knows? I think that is just a big guessing game.
As far as this report and the woman....why did she stay in the tent and go to sleep? Well what the hell else are you going to do??? Yep, lets pack up in the dead of night and trek on outta here after I saw a huge creature and its buddy (offspring) knowing darn well that it is out there, watching me? Uh, not me. No thanks. How could she have slept? Not sure on that one. Some people react differently to everything. Some have said seeing one of these gave them a calming effect. Of course some have really been scared. I would say it is safe to assume there are "good" and "bad" SAS out there, since that is the case with every single last species on earth, including humans.
Some animals sense weakness in other animals and take advantage of that. Its possible in this case, I lean towards the 2 SAS simply being curious. If it would have wanted the animal for food, it would have just taken it.
A couple of points - Pepper spray is very effective against both Black and Brown (called grizzlies in the lower 48) bear. The only time that it does not work is when the spray does not directly hit the bear for whatever reason. Sometimes the wind is wrong or the sprayer is in haste. But, when it does hit the bear (either species) it is extremely effective. Not once have I heard of a bear attack after it gets hit. Timothy Treadwell probably would be alive today if he had continued to carry it. I carry it. I have practiced (only once, they are about $60 per can) I have seen tons of Blackies out here and have "charged" two of them and they run away like scared little babies....so far so good? (Some of the latest theories on Black bears is to actually run towards them. Obviously not a sow with cubs.)
Would it work on SAS? Jeez, who knows? I think that is just a big guessing game.
As far as this report and the woman....why did she stay in the tent and go to sleep? Well what the hell else are you going to do??? Yep, lets pack up in the dead of night and trek on outta here after I saw a huge creature and its buddy (offspring) knowing darn well that it is out there, watching me? Uh, not me. No thanks. How could she have slept? Not sure on that one. Some people react differently to everything. Some have said seeing one of these gave them a calming effect. Of course some have really been scared. I would say it is safe to assume there are "good" and "bad" SAS out there, since that is the case with every single last species on earth, including humans.
Some animals sense weakness in other animals and take advantage of that. Its possible in this case, I lean towards the 2 SAS simply being curious. If it would have wanted the animal for food, it would have just taken it.
As far as using the bear spray on a Sas i think it will work and deter it from aproaching .I have used the bear spray on my self to see how effective it is .What I did was,I sprayed about 10' in front of me which made an orange cloud that was 10'x 10' then what I did was I tried to see how far into the cloud I could walk into it.The most I walked into that cloud was 2' and that was it.The spray I used is called gaurd alaska.It is some strong stuff and yes i do believe that it could stop a Sas from attacking for at least enough time for a person to escape.Like I said I did this because I wanted to to see the strength of the spray.But the truth is I do not believe that this creature showed any form of agression in this report.Also to note the report does not show that she did not have any further contact after this sighting.So that is something esle to think about the behavior of this animal.
1why did it choose that evening to show its self after it was following the subject ?
2.Why did it not take one of the goats for food if it was actualy stalking the subject?
3.why was there a peacfull moment between the subject and the creature?
4.why did the dogs not show fear like other dogs ?
what is it about this animal that makes it different from other encounters.The loping instead of running which makes sense to me because the tracks that i found in Michigan were that of a loping or hopping type I just read this report and flash backs keep coming back to me because i can see the creature that i seen.I think this why i relate this report so much with me.Tho our circumstances were different there is just things that stick out to me in this report that bring back flash backs..
1why did it choose that evening to show its self after it was following the subject ?
2.Why did it not take one of the goats for food if it was actualy stalking the subject?
3.why was there a peacfull moment between the subject and the creature?
4.why did the dogs not show fear like other dogs ?
what is it about this animal that makes it different from other encounters.The loping instead of running which makes sense to me because the tracks that i found in Michigan were that of a loping or hopping type I just read this report and flash backs keep coming back to me because i can see the creature that i seen.I think this why i relate this report so much with me.Tho our circumstances were different there is just things that stick out to me in this report that bring back flash backs..
QUOTE(bigfootnis @ May 7 2008, 09:19 AM)
This is one of the most convincing reports that I have read. I am not troubled by the fact that she went to sleep soon after the encounter.
When I had my creepy experience in the woods off the interstate in Okla, I fell asleep there. One of the reasons I dont even talk about that now is that people said how could you fall asleep like that... Basically I was out in the middle of BFE in the middle of the night... and was dog dead tired. I just fell asleep. So that part of the story doesn't strike me as odd at all.
Everything in the report, all of her reactions and such, are in character for that woman. There are additional details that were edited out of the original version. I don't know why. Anyway, those details could help explain the animals' motive. Food is not the only possible motive. I'm guessing curiosity.
Wow awesome repot! Definetly a keeper!
I agree. She worked with bears, big bears, so even if at one point in time she had a fear of large fur covered animals it is long gone. Aside from the fact she was near the only water hole and she had animals, one of her animals was sick. When one animal is ill, every animal around it knows. The BF probably knew this and saw an opportinity for extra meat. I say extra because it didn't try to hard to get it meaning it probably didn't need it. It might have also never seen a goat and came in to investigate and see what it was all about.
I agree. She worked with bears, big bears, so even if at one point in time she had a fear of large fur covered animals it is long gone. Aside from the fact she was near the only water hole and she had animals, one of her animals was sick. When one animal is ill, every animal around it knows. The BF probably knew this and saw an opportinity for extra meat. I say extra because it didn't try to hard to get it meaning it probably didn't need it. It might have also never seen a goat and came in to investigate and see what it was all about.
QUOTE(bipedalist @ May 6 2008, 07:29 PM)
Hey, where you gonna go, who you gonna call, when you're 10,000 ft. up all by your lonesome with goats and dogs (she was used to bear research remember, that kind of experience does one well in such other strange encounters).
I agree, She sounds like a seasoned Mountain Traveler & Camper. Trying to get down off that Mountain at night would be more dangerous, with other meat eaters hunting at night. At least this BF seemed to understand she wasn't there to hurt them and that the animal around her seemed to be friend NOT FOOD.
I will say this, that encounter, and being alone would have FREAKED me out. But I wouldnt have been up there alone either so good for her. I think she handled it well.
Yep, this was a good one!
I have read this story before, always wondered if the Bigfoot wanted some goat meat. They are just not willing to chance it, cause if they knew the advantage they have with size alone, nothing short of a gun would stop them. Feeling the earth tremble, which has been mentioned in other stories of eye to eye sightings, would definitely get the adrenalin flowing...
Don't know about sleeping soundly after such an encounter.
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Don't know about sleeping soundly after such an encounter.
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I think she's telling the truth. As for bear/pepper spray never forget about Vitaly Nikolayenko. After 20 years this Russian ranger knew how to use the stuff as well as anyone on the planet...
He compiled one of the most exhaustive documentaries on the giant, 9-foot (3 m) cousins of the North American grizzly bear, Kamchatka Brown Bears, regularly filling what became hundreds of journals, a body of work viewed as one of the most important biographical records of brown bear behaviour in existence.[1]
Nikolayenko walked more than 620 miles (998 km) a year through the remote river valleys and coastal plains of Kamchatka, where approximately 15,000 brown bears are under increasing threat from foreign hunters and poachers. [2] He documented an average of 800 bear contacts each year.
For over 20 years, Nikolayenko followed an enormous male he named Dobrynya, forming such an easy bond that the bear would often curl up to sleep just a few feet from him.
Nikolayenko also documented several lucky escapes during his time with the bears. He described how he had fallen down bluffs to avoid charging bears and been chased up trees.
He helped conduct an inquiry after Michio Hoshino, the renowned Japanese bear photographer, was pulled out of his tent and eaten by a bear in 1996 in the southern reserve, a more remote region neighbouring the 2.8 million acre (11,000 km²) Kronotsky state reserve where Nikolayenko was based.
Death
In the winter of 2003, Nikolayenko had been out in the wilderness much longer than planned, probably because not all of the bears had yet gone into hibernation. He had been waiting for a helicopter flight out of the reserve and was last heard from in late December 2003. When a helicopter did eventually arrive to pick him up, the crew found no sign of the researcher.
On 1 January 2004, Russian authorities announced that the body of Vitaly Nikolayenko, 66, had been found at a lake near his remote one-room hut on the Tikhaya River. The 6 1/2-inch pawprint of a medium-sized male bear was found next to his body, along with an empty can of pepper spray with which Nikolayenko had apparently tried to defend himself.
Victor Rebrikov, a tourism guide and longtime friend of Nikolayenko who was on the search team that found the body, said it appeared that Nikolayenko had followed a large male bear to the small, spring-fed lake that lies less than a mile from the hut.
"Vitaly must have begun to take pictures of the resting bear, but the tree trunks and branches were in the way, and he must have decided to get inside the grove. His footprints lead into the grove after the bear. He approached the bear at a distance of three meters", Rebrikov said.
A large swath of orange pepper spray indicated that Nikolayenko tried to defend himself, and a flare gun was lying next to the body, unfired. Half his body had been consumed. His camera was broken and bloody nearby.
Just two months before, American bear fanatic Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend were killed and partially eaten by bears in the Alaska Katmai National Park.
on a personal note
I have been pepper sparyed as well as hit with liquid OC (Oleoresin Capscium) when I went through Non-Lethal Weapons training and while an instructor. Our instructor painted a big "X" on my face with the stuff....HOLY HELL....but I still made it through the mini obstacle course, the close quarter combat task and a simulated rifle malfunction and repair while screaming from the stuff with a river of snot and vomit trailing behind me. All so I could see what effect it had on me and force myself to operate despite being in agony. IMHO if a bear, bigfoot or psycho REALLY wants to do you harm it's still quite possible. I think it's a great tool to use, but nothing is 100%. Against a Sasquatch roll the dice.
Heres a pic of Marine during MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts) training after being hit with OC. Notice the plethera of snot and mucus. Jeesh now I'm getting all homesick
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He compiled one of the most exhaustive documentaries on the giant, 9-foot (3 m) cousins of the North American grizzly bear, Kamchatka Brown Bears, regularly filling what became hundreds of journals, a body of work viewed as one of the most important biographical records of brown bear behaviour in existence.[1]
Nikolayenko walked more than 620 miles (998 km) a year through the remote river valleys and coastal plains of Kamchatka, where approximately 15,000 brown bears are under increasing threat from foreign hunters and poachers. [2] He documented an average of 800 bear contacts each year.
For over 20 years, Nikolayenko followed an enormous male he named Dobrynya, forming such an easy bond that the bear would often curl up to sleep just a few feet from him.
Nikolayenko also documented several lucky escapes during his time with the bears. He described how he had fallen down bluffs to avoid charging bears and been chased up trees.
He helped conduct an inquiry after Michio Hoshino, the renowned Japanese bear photographer, was pulled out of his tent and eaten by a bear in 1996 in the southern reserve, a more remote region neighbouring the 2.8 million acre (11,000 km²) Kronotsky state reserve where Nikolayenko was based.
Death
In the winter of 2003, Nikolayenko had been out in the wilderness much longer than planned, probably because not all of the bears had yet gone into hibernation. He had been waiting for a helicopter flight out of the reserve and was last heard from in late December 2003. When a helicopter did eventually arrive to pick him up, the crew found no sign of the researcher.
On 1 January 2004, Russian authorities announced that the body of Vitaly Nikolayenko, 66, had been found at a lake near his remote one-room hut on the Tikhaya River. The 6 1/2-inch pawprint of a medium-sized male bear was found next to his body, along with an empty can of pepper spray with which Nikolayenko had apparently tried to defend himself.
Victor Rebrikov, a tourism guide and longtime friend of Nikolayenko who was on the search team that found the body, said it appeared that Nikolayenko had followed a large male bear to the small, spring-fed lake that lies less than a mile from the hut.
"Vitaly must have begun to take pictures of the resting bear, but the tree trunks and branches were in the way, and he must have decided to get inside the grove. His footprints lead into the grove after the bear. He approached the bear at a distance of three meters", Rebrikov said.
A large swath of orange pepper spray indicated that Nikolayenko tried to defend himself, and a flare gun was lying next to the body, unfired. Half his body had been consumed. His camera was broken and bloody nearby.
Just two months before, American bear fanatic Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend were killed and partially eaten by bears in the Alaska Katmai National Park.
on a personal note
I have been pepper sparyed as well as hit with liquid OC (Oleoresin Capscium) when I went through Non-Lethal Weapons training and while an instructor. Our instructor painted a big "X" on my face with the stuff....HOLY HELL....but I still made it through the mini obstacle course, the close quarter combat task and a simulated rifle malfunction and repair while screaming from the stuff with a river of snot and vomit trailing behind me. All so I could see what effect it had on me and force myself to operate despite being in agony. IMHO if a bear, bigfoot or psycho REALLY wants to do you harm it's still quite possible. I think it's a great tool to use, but nothing is 100%. Against a Sasquatch roll the dice.
Heres a pic of Marine during MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts) training after being hit with OC. Notice the plethera of snot and mucus. Jeesh now I'm getting all homesick
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Hahaha, Remarkably similar to my 8 hours of defensive tactics and weapon retention exercises after we were spray with OC in the academy. It was 90+ degrees that day.
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QUOTE(Dantallus @ Dec 30 2009, 11:43 AM)
AS for the goats, maybe the Bigfoot has other plans ?
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Thanks Dantallus! I just blew a mouthful of squirt soda on my comp desk with that one
Great post
Filtereyez
QUOTE(Teresa @ May 6 2008, 08:17 PM)
Oh I remember this one. I know the identity of the camper. Straight up lady, not given to flights of fancy in my humble opinion.
In that case Teresa, we have a winner!
hey dan thats above great photo indeedy no enhandsments needed.... to be continued.... 
from the article:
this is very interesting! is it a common report for bigfeet to have no whites??
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and the eyes were all brown -- no whites. Like a deer's eyes.
this is very interesting! is it a common report for bigfeet to have no whites??
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and the eyes were all brown -- no whites. Like a deer's eyes.
Deer have a sclera (white part of the eye). It just isn't as visible as it is with a human due to the structure of the eye and the tissue surrounding it.
Interesting story. Getting a good night's sleep after that would be tough.
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