Do any of you ever wonder why there are 321 reg. members to this forum, and only a few of that number write anything????? Not that I surpose this means anything to SOME of you--But a few of YOU find fault and over criticize people that do post. {Now go ahead and pick at me----But I'm a grown woman and I can take it.} "And frankly Scarlett, I don't give a d###!"
Fran

you obviously aren't reading all the posts

get a refill on the prozac by the way...
(hey you asked )

As with any subject, on any board, people come and go, it's a personal choice. As for me, I don't live in la-la land and am quite comfortable here. I find this board and the posters to be as fair as fair can get, educational, and the humor is an added bonus. If I don't like what I read, I don't comment. If by some chance I get flamed for something I say, well then if I can't take it, then that's my problem. Again, it's a personal choice. :rolleyes:

Quality over quantity, Fran. Just keep repeating that...

I have never felt uncomfortable posting on this forum. Everyone here is very nice. Now sometimes people misunderstand people and get hurt feelings but that is one of the faults of this type of medium. We cannot hear the tone of people's voice or the expression on their face when they say something. That is one of the reasons for smilies the other being they are just plain fun. Everyone has opinions and everyone is entitled to them. We all try to be courteous and on our best behavior but there will always be not nice people and rude people and that is just life.

Hey Fran
Welcome to the BFF. I have often had the same thought and came to the same conclusion. I have also developed the same attitude. If ya come up with any extra Prozac would ya mind emailin me some. Apparently I need some too.
Pegleg

As always, the humor is what keeps me coming back EVERY day, but close behind that is the wealth of info, links to other sites, philosophy, and diverse outlooks on life, etc. Like a good after dinner conversation, in other words, about a subject that has fascinated me ever since seeing the trailer for Boggy Creek as a child. The level of discourse, intelligence and common sense is still very high although the board has gone through inevitable changes from when I first joined back in 1947.

Mom? (as a subconscious guilt grows) is that you!

Fran your moral services are no longer required. :rolleyes:
No thanks really. If I want a guilt trip I will visit my own mother.

Talk to us.Fine. Preach to us. No .

Fran, sometimes people here do tend to get a little aggressive. But I have found that on ALL the forums. It is called passion and that is something that people in this field have plenty of.

I've been guilty of taking things further than I should have and have been accused of being an aggressive person as many here have. I am not aggressive by nature, but more strongly opinionated than some. I come off as sounding aggressive when I am not being at all. It's hard to understand the context of writing. You can't hear tones and see facial expressions. It is easy to misunderstand and perceive things wrong.

We are all guilty of taking things to extremes at some point in our lives. My advice is to speak your mind and if you disagree, disagree respectfully and stand your ground. And if you are offended easily then the bigfoot internet world is really not a good place to hang out.

I think you should voice your opinions, believe it or not, they are as welcome here as any.

It seems to be the nature of every Internet community I've seen that things get said, misunderstood, and reacted to, often in an uncivil manner. I guess it comes from the non-personal nature of communicating via machines and not face to face. That makes it too easy for some people to make comments they never would if they were face to face with another party.

That's why I generally avoid chat rooms, forums, etc. But I have to say this forum does the best job I'm aware of sharing information, offering opinions, and respecting them, as well as trying to right itself when things start to veer off course. Nothing's perfect when human beings get involved, but I've found BFF a good faith stab at it.

Well, Fran, i never really noticed that people here were overly critical. Now, i've recieved plenty of criticism, but i think it was nearly all well warranted. Perhaps i've just gotten used to online forums where fools are not suffered gladly, and people making claims they can't back up are cross examined down to a bloody pulp, and then mercilessly ridiculed.. Forums like this one: http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/p...9562&f=48409524 (the debate might not make sense to you if you aren't interested in computers, but you can clearly see the tone of the forum).

The thing is, Bigfoot is a mystery that fascinates a lot of people, and there are a lot of people who want to be 'part of the phenomenon' by inventing information about the animal. I know this because i once did this myself.

Because of this ever present problem, people who are truly serious about finding the truth about Sasquatch tend to be suspicious of strangers bearing gifts, in the form of information on the creature. And since most of us are 'armchair researchers', 99.5% of our research is informed speculation, so people try to set the intellectual bar pretty high.

That's why people who make claims that smell of romanticism, and lack the kind of physical evidence that is the currency of serious bigfoot research, tend to get laughed at. It's not meanness, it's just a necessary attitude.


-robo (who feels a little hypocritical saying this, considering... )

Its called learning from your mistakes.....its what seperates us from those same romantics....

Well said Robo...

Now stick to those guns, do us proud, keep walking the
straight n' narrow

Fran... 321 members and growing. (323 as of your last post) I hear ya on people not writing anything. Although I'm guilty of that myself. I almost went a year without posting anything. Nothing to crazy to why I didn't post, just had my reasons (excuses).
Message boards are a funny medium. Most are nothing more than a clique with an exclusive circle of people with a very odd pecking order. I've made my fare share of posts on many hunting and fishing boards and try my hardest to ignore the idiots that think they are some kind of vested member of the board that are inert to putting their foot in their mouth. My most non-favorite term of all time on message boards has to be the word "newbie". Although a fitting word, I find most people use it as a tool to establish themselves on a certain run in the hierarchy. Like anything that is said to you in real life that strikes you the wrong way, you almost always have to take what was said with a grain of salt. And with message boards, it's like a virtual wilderness. People come and in and out like the tides. Say what they feel with no repercussions, while hiding behind their IP address. And with all those intrepid souls wandering about, spewing their vomit in written form, all I can say is weather the storm! There's millions more like them.

As BFF's, I find this board refreshing to most that are out there. Things are actually discussed in here most of the time. Throw a theory or idea out there and you just might be surprised to what becomes of it.
I guess we're all due for a good dose of constructive criticism once in awhile.

And I can't remember the last time anyone used "newbie" here..

Indeed.

I understand that it can be offputting for new members to post in a forum where there have been people around for a long, long time like myself, arky, fish etc. but just because we post a lot doesn't mean we are any more important or more knowledgeable than someone with three posts.

Bottom line is, that when it comes to bigfoot, we still don't know anything !

Things could be worse. Below are links to sites that show what real flamers are like. (I've posted one of these links before, but it's so relevant I think maybe bipto should add it to his list of links.)

“Flame Warriors” at http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

“Flamer Personality Disorder?!! Newsgroup Flaming as a form of mental illness,” by W. Beaty, at http://amasci.com/weird/flamer.html. This page contains links to a dozen more pages with similar articles, such as a “Kook Appraisal Test.”

Also, maybe what's needed are additional smilies to assist you in responding to criticism. Curiously, I just posted a description of two of them on Invisions' kibitzers' board. Here it is:

Emotionless: or or even

Tongue out:

Sheesh. Lighten up, Fran(ces). :rolleyes:

No.

@ Stacy!

Fran,

As I've said before, it's called "tough love".

Thanx for the feedback. Close, but no cigar, on the smilies you suggested. What I had in mind for neutral had a sort of passive-aggressive, couldn't-care-less quality I saw in a T-shirt ten years ago that said "Have a Neutral Day," with narrow, slit-like eyes. The three smilies you included don't have that quality. The first looks a bit worried, the second merely "blank" (I note the coded description says "mellow"), the third bemused.

As for tongue-out smilie, the idea I had was of one making a childish "rudely sticking-one's-tongue-out-as-a-comeback" gesture, not laughing. The only ones I've seen where tongues were the center of the image (on a board "powered by Infopop") had their tongues hanging out over the corner of their mouths like dogs, to indicate sensual, semi-slobbering appreciation or anticipation. (We need a smilie like that too.)

Here are two pages / sites where additional smilies were suggested by posters on Invision’s board:
http://carl2knight.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/image.pl
http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showtopic=40799

Cool. I'm going to grab some of those...

Fran,

I was a member for a long, long time, and have just started posting recently. When I have something to say, then I post. When I don't, I don't. I like the humor, too. Things certainly aren't old & stoggie around here!

Hmmm… this is odd…

Now, while I have no idea why…

I think this thread is beginning to turn me on a little...

Ummm…uh, oh say Fran… what are you wearing right now?

Oh my god...

Wait is this the same FRAN that justa frequent MonkeyChasers
and GCBRO Paltalk rooms?? IF it isn't I appologise.
If it is .....exactly what woulkd you like to contribute that you are holding back on?

Your statement appears you are trying to defend someone or something

Could it be ...... *ROMANTICS
(*name withheld for security reasons)

or those who offer up Bull$hit as fact?
Just curious.
Thanks.
____________________________________________________________________

And RB



What the hell was that


Robert

I wish to thank all who answered my post! Some of you were very sweet and tactful. A few were a little blunt! But that's ok, I didn't come here to start a riot! I have been reading a lot of reports about the bigfoot hollers and screams. I have a very strange idea that I have never seen discussed before, and I may type it up for you to think about!!

And RB.... I just got out of the HOT TUB......Use your imagination.

{a swim-suit , of course!!!!}

You DO NOT want to be encouraging him!

And thusly, his fantasy is dashed… darn.

Hey… wait just a minute here…

Swim suits are illegal to wear into hot tubs in 49 states… and unless you live in Utah… you might be in line for a citation… just be careful, that’s all I ask…

Feed RB? Yes… absolutely!

Encourage RB? Sadly, no.

Because we still haven’t figured out what makes that guy tick…

We can take it, lay it on us Fran!(your idea of course)!

Fran! You weren't a troll! well good enough. Lay the
idea out. Most are here to explore the whole phenomena
and all that entails, have at...

BTW, if you're serious here, then I apologize, but you
gotta be on the up and up

What are you wearing right now??? Hot tubs???? Swim suits ??? My, My, My!!! What will they say next Auntie Em !!! RB, no more Mysterious Encounters with Austin Williams for you.

Now back to Fran, if you have ever gone over to the GCBRO or Mary Greens website (just to name 2) you will see how they are EXTREMELY edited & the very few same people who post seem to be just like rubber stamps, they use the old very worn out excuse of "flamers" "trouble makers" agree with everthing we say, don't think, don't question anything, don't pass GO & don't collect $200 etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. Yes it can get heated out here but at the same time it is VERY informative too, there are so called ex-flamers out here (who have mended their evil ways or have they just kiddin') who really go out of their way with Great & sometime hard questions & extensive research to really try to back up what they say, there is nothing wrong with that at all, we can all learn from each other and at the same time appreciate the hard work they put into it. But at the same time when you have followed for years different websites, gone to different conferences & just listen to people with so-called "unhinge your jaw" "blobsquatch pictures" " heckle & jeckle DNA samples" "poop barns" "sweetie pie names for BF that supposedly live with them" and they can't backup what they say only with every excuse known & unknown to mankind why & how the "bugger" got away (remember kiddies "Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence) thats why I say again, it can get heated out here because people just get tired of the scammers & fairytale story tellers, sorry to say, who get hooked up with the BF mystery. Hey, I am not perfect, I am just a human being, I can make mistakes out here but I really believe alot of the people who come out here that really want to solve the TRUE mystery of BF & not some trip down The Yellow Brick Road to The Land of Oz. I say thank Bipto & the rest of the people who run the BFF, they do a Great job to keep this an open forum to new ideas & opinions.

Now that I am on the roll, Fran please tell us about the " Very Strange Idea That Has Never Been Discussed Before" it could be something that could be helpful to all of us.

First off, believe 22......you mis-quoted me. Diliberate or not! You want to keep things straight....well lets keep things straight! I wrote "I have a very strange idea that I have never seen discussed before." I did not write"Never Been Discussed Before". I would not know what other people have written, posted, discussed, or talked about on every web site, message booard, chat room, or meetings. I, myself, have never seen or read about this idea before. And I did say it was an 'strange idea'. I have no reason to believe it could be real or not. Ok, for the rest of you, the ones who are really interested in my idea...well, here it is. I will try to keep this simple, because the more I think of how to write this, the more complicated it becomes in my mind. You have all read about how the bigfoot screams seem to vibrate in some people's chest because of the very loudness of it. Also, how at night, and some daylight sightings, the bigfoot seems to be quickly moving about. First on this side of the road, then behind the tent, a couple of seconds later behind a big tree at the tree line. This makes people think there is more than one in the woods at that time. Well, surpose there is only the one bigfoot there trying to make it seem like more? Do you think it is possible for the bigfoot to project it's powerful voice or sounds in different directions? That way people would be looking in the wrong direction for it. You have read a lot of reports that ended"well, I don't understand it, I went, looked. or shined the flash-light over there and there was nothing!" WELL, maybe that is not where the bigfoot was standing!! Does any of this make sense? Surround-sound is the word I am thinking of. I am trying very hard to keep the strange things a bigfoot does in a normal animal range sort of thing. {I do not believe in a para-normal animal.} {There are probably some strange things the bigfoot does, but I am not believing in invisible animals and creatures from the 3rd. dimension.} Also, If you have the book by Mr. Bindernagel..."North America"s Great Ape: SASQUATCH", go to page 192. Read the paragraph on Chimpanzees. I found this sentence last night and was greatly surprised! Here's quoting from the book,"intense alarm calls are high-pitched screams or 'ventriloqual' whistles without sharp beginning and end." I looked up ventriloqual on the computer dictionary and came up with 10 different written words..............all had the root meaning go back to "ventriloquism". {Check it out} Now before all of you say I have fallen off the potato truck and hit my head..............remember I told you it was a STRANGE idea.

Actually, I think that's a very interesting idea. I haven't seen it discussed before either, Fran.

Strange?....I don't really think so..why not adapt a powerfull tool(in this case, a strong voice) to use as a method of concealment..of a sort.
Indeed, this is really a fascinating idea.
Cetaceans use their voice for all manner of things..(possibly even to the point of having a "visual language, sending what ammounts to direct images to one another)..
Bats use sound in similar, if more primitive ways.
Elephants may be able to communicate at unbelievable distances using sound we cannot even hear.
Your idea, of a possible use of sound as a method of misdirection..is no more strange then any of the above, and given that a certain primate we all are rather familiar with has already mastered the ability to do so, it is even less odd then some of the above.

Actually, I think it's a interesting idea.

Very worthy of Discussion Fran....

If this creature were able to project and throw his voice at distances it would be no small feat (bigfoot joke)
and a certain advantage to his concelament.

Wonder if he practices in front of a mirror with a dummy??

Robert

This topic really should be split to it's own thread. It is worthy of such, and might not be seen by those not interested in persuing the original topic further.

Good suggestion NW, I agree.

This is very interesting! If this ever proves to be the case then we could start looking in the areas that we dont hear anything, and maybe actually find them.

Fran:

You raise a valid point - a minority of the regular members do post the majority of the posts we read.

When I started out on the Forum -why, it only seems like last year - I lurked for several months before registering and posting. You will find that those well thought out and intelligent topics will often attract a smaller response then will a comment contained within another thread.

For instance, your "strange idea" - Not very strange, not at all. In fact, I suggest that this topic of Bigfoot Ventriloqism be placed under another Section... perhaps General Discussion.

As to those on this Forum, they may snarl but they don't generally bite. Stick with us, you may make a friend or two - maybe even attend a Symposium some day. I, for one , am pleased to make your acquaintance. Oh yeah, don't mind RB - we let him out every once-in-a-while!

Now that didn't hurt so much did it

New ideas = good

ideas/claims without thought or evidence to support = bad

Jeny, you are sooooo cruising...

Post just one more pic of my bald spot...

And I'm gonna tell the story...

You know the one I mean...

That's all I'm saying...

Bald spot!? Is that what that is?



Fran, very interesting thought you have there. Now I have something to ponder. Thanks for sharing.

heh heh....

.....this is getting gooood.....

.....oh yeah.....

"throwing your voice", can't be done, that's a myth, you can't bottle up sound waves and release them somewhere else. Wherever you're speaking, that's where your voice will originate from.