Please be patient with the data posted here, the researcher is kind of new at this, so this thread and its author are both a work in progress.

Let me begin with a brief description of the primary area of focus for my research. As the topic eludes, my primary geographical focus of study is in Northern California with the southern boundary being Yosemite National Park, the western boundary being the greater Sacramento / San Joaquin Valley and the northern boundary being the CA /Oregon state line. This area in CA includes a great portion of the Sierra Nevada mountain range, with elevations ranging from 100 feet to over 10,000 feet. Included in this area are well-known landmarks such as Mt. Shasta, Mt. Lassen (both volcanic BTW), Lake Tahoe, multiple river, stream and lakes systems. This consists of hundreds of square miles of a small mixture of heavily populated areas to a large area of lightly populated, heavily forested, mountainous terrain with varying degrees of vehicular access.

The eastern boundary of study extends to the Nevada / Utah state line. This is essentially the entire northern portion of Nevada. Although this area is quite large and very remote, there are few reported sightings for this area and I feel I must expand the Nevada study area if I am to capture many sightings there.

For you GPS users, please stay tuned for an accurate accounting of all Latitudes and Longitudes of the study area boundaries with map, if possible.

Data correlation is under way utilizing data retrieved from several major sightings databases and shall be posted on this thread upon completion.

I envision this study to be comprised of at least three separate components.

The first series of reports shall include a brief listing of reported sightings from the study, broken down by county. Data points for the report are being drafted and will undoubtedly mimic those displayed by my esteemed colleague’s website from the State of Arkansas.

The second portion of the study will include site visits to most, if not all, locations of the sightings reports. These focus of these site visits will be to locate the exact locations of the reports, whenever possible. Again, the data points of collection for this portion are being drafted by staff and will include observations of such environmental factors as: availability of food and water sources, topography, possible ingress and egress routes, human population density in the immediate area, areas of potential cover, etc... These will be noted by narrative description and magnetic medium by recording via the video archive system presently under development by my research team (ok, team of 1...me).

In the third portion of this study, it is the intent of this researcher to accurately identify specific portions of the study area as Sasquatch habitat, with estimates of creature population density within these specific areas, AND then to accurately predict areas of potential travel / activity for Sasquatch according to variables such as: time of year, external stressors such as fire, inclimate weather, seasonal human activity, etc...

The goal of this study is to accurately predict where and when a Sasquatch may be sighted within the study area, even if this area has had no previously reported sightings or activity.

Again, please be patient with this researcher and his reports, his crack staff is hard at work with the data correlation and shall be posted as completed.

My Best Wishes, and i look forward to your updates

Rob

Thanks Rob, I welcome all the best wishes I can muster, I think I'll need them. I'll keep ya'll updated.

This coming Saturday, I'm going to check out these areas of previous reports:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=502

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2326

And I live less than 5 miles from the area of this report (the area has changed quite a bit since then though):

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=3612

seems like a hotbed of possible activity.are there more reports you know of that are not posted on the web in that area?and have you tried to triangulate a position for field work in an area in the middle of the sightings?in case one of theories we had on a thread is true and they do have a "territorial"region.I would be really interedted to know so if it works I can alter my own search patterns to try this method.I've thought about it but haven't found a way to use it yet but then again I'm not as familiar with my area as you are with yours.thanks

jim, I know of no reports from that area not listed on the internet...unfortunately. That is the main reason I started the thread searching for reports in my area. No luck yet, but I'm hopelessly optimistic. And yes, I have triangulated the sightings, not just the ones listed above, but a couple more as well. I have high hopes for this area as it is on a very large, long ridge (called the Foresthill Divide) with deep river canyons to the north and south. I surmise this ridge is a natural Sasquatch highway. I am actually going to camp at about 6000ft elevation about midway between those above listed reports and this one:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=3794

so is the ridge itself going to be used as an observation post?or did you have something else in mind?sorry for all the questions I just like to learn new things that I may be able to use when i go out.

Well jimf, I guess you could say that it's going to be an observation post of sorts. But this ridge is about 40 miles long and about 5 miles wide. Right now besides visiting the sites of those 2 reports, I'm just planning this to be a recon trip looking for sign, likely habitat areas and a general topographical orientation...plus it gives me an excuse to ride my quadrunner. I do plan on multiple trips to this ridge, however, and I want to be very well oriented with the terrain.

Blowing the dust off this thread now….

Here’s a quick update to my plans for 2003.

I will attempt to keep this thread posted with my latest excursions, with any significant findings started on a new thread…

My tentative plans for this year are to systematically cover the majority of the public access lands in Northern California, yet focusing on areas I have targeted as likely Sasquatch habitat.

The focus areas of these excursions has been derived from a combination of both recent and historical sighting reports, areas I deem to have a high probability of activity, ease of accessibility and the weather.

The accessibility of many of the areas can be compromised due to winter road closures due to snow…many backcountry roads are not maintained in the winter, and some are even gated-off for the duration.

This is just as well, as trekking in deep snow is not what I call fun. But this is a great opportunity to explore the areas just below the snowline, which I believe, is where Sasquatch probably resides during the winter. Once spring arrives, the snow begins to melt and Sas’ range increases…

I originally planned to go right for obvious site…Bluff Creek, or in that general area….

But I have decided to put that off for a short while, and have plans to the very near future to begin my systematic exploration and area orientation of the Sierra Nevada foothills. I will begin at the southern-most reach of my “home area” (defined as any area I can drive to within 8 hours), in the foothills east of Bakersfield, CA.

I shall keep this thread updated with the areas I have visited, any reportable findings, and a better explanation of my methodology.

Thank you for your patience.

Scheduled 2003 excursions update:

Jan 25 & 26 - Northern California, Rubicon River Valley - El Dorado National Forest

Feb 8 & 9 - Southern California, Sequoia National Forest

I will post a complete report following each excursion.

Shibby!

Thanks RB!

RB, you know I'm jealous...

You gotta know I'm trying not to smile.... :wink:

I'm back!

No Sas. No tracks. No vocals. But prime habitat. Curious.

Will post longer post with details in a couple of days...network problems, sorry.

RB, out of curiosity what was the ground coverage like ?Do you think the no tracks are attributed to no Bf's or to a lack of viable ground for a BF to make prints in passing ?

Well jim… I tell ya’ what…

Yeah, I know… I should have already covered all this in my excursion report…

I believe my lack of success in finding any tracks can be attributed to a combination of factors. The primary reason was probably because we could not access the area we wanted to due to deep snow closing access roads to the area.

The ground in the area we searched was firm overall, but had a soft, muddy covering as it had rained and snowed in the days prior to our visit. We stayed mostly on the dirt roads, and even though I hung my head out the window of the truck like a dog almost all day, we saw no tracks.

The forest floor in NoCal is primarily covered with millions of year’s worth of pine needles, leaves and sticks. For an animal to leave much of a track, their foot/hoof must break through the surface layer of this duff and dig into the soft, black loam underneath. This makes a very distinctive “track”, but sometimes without much definition due to the fluffy nature of the compost under the duff. It is not a very good medium to leave a good print in.

I also did some hiking in a couple of areas covered with about 1 foot of snow… around a couple of streams. There I did find both deer and cattle tracks, and plenty of poop from both. But no Sas tracks or sign….

To be perfectly fair, I was not able to access the area with the most potential. I was mainly on a ridge on the south rim of the deep Rubicon River canyon. This ridge has fairly heavy logging traffic on a paved road during the week… but there are very few homes anywhere near the area.

The surfaces of the streambeds around here are usually fairly sandy, often with black sand. If a Sas were to step on the edge of a streambed, unless he stepped onto some type of vegetation, there should be a good chance for a track.

The snow was slightly melted and refrozen on the surface, which created a layer of ice over the underlying snow. This can give you a false sense of security, as you can be walking along all fat, dumb and happy and then… crunch! Your foot goes through up to your knee and all the snow goes in your shoe! Perfect conditions for snowshoes with big, honking steel teeth made for grabbing ice.

Now while the south rim of this river canyon is in close proximity to a paved road, I think it has very little effect on the ecosystem in the river canyon. That area is very steep, heavily overgrown and next to impossible to traverse.

The north rim of the river canyon is quite different. It is even less improved and completely uninhabited. There are very few roads on the north side of the canyon and only a couple of spots to access the river canyon for miles in each direction. Access to the river canyon is limited to just a couple of points at bridges across the river. At these bridges, if you were to look up and down the river (east and west) you would never even consider trying to hike either up river or downriver… it just appears very rugged and difficult to traverse. There are, however, a couple of hiking trails in close proximity to the river… on the map anyway… haven’t seen them in person yet… but I soon will….

I do think there are bigfoot in this river canyon, probably moving up and down the canyon as conditions dictate.

There have been several sighting reports from this area over the years. One report on the BFRO site mentions a sighting upstream from the location I visited, while another describes an encounter on top of the ridge “2 ridges over to the north” as it were…

This encounter was near a reservoir… both sightings were during the summer.

The elevation of this area ranges from about 2000ft – 7000ft. with the higher elevations being completely inaccessible after the first snow. Any lower than 2000ft in this area would put Sas very near to many homes, towns, etc… This area has the potential habitat to support a group of the creatures, IMHO.

Anyone interested in more detailed area information may message me for more info.

While my orientation to all the nuances of this area is still ongoing, I have come to a preliminary hypothesis.

I’m thinking these creatures live almost exclusively in a home range, such as this Rubicon River Valley, and roam outside their home area only when absolutely necessary. They have everything they need in that river valley… food, lots of water, entertainment (who hasn’t just sat on the edge of a river and daydreamed while watching the water float by)…

In that valley, Sas must have multiple homes… leftover from years of inhabitation by their ancestors. Sas also has the ability to control his environment in that valley. Deep river canyons often are unaffected by the drastic climatic changes common on the surrounding ridges. The elevation varies as you move up or down the river, thus varying the ambient temperature.

Interesting note: The morning I awoke up there, at about 6am, the temperature was 54 degrees! We were camped at 5100ft, at the edge of the snowline…and at the same time that morning in Sacramento, about 50 miles west and at 100ft elevation, it was 42 degrees!

That’s 12 degrees warmer at 5100 feet in the winter than in the valley.

This is probably due to a temperature inversion effect caused by the fog in the lower elevations. This was also in an area susceptible to winds, which can have a cooling effect.

What I’m wondering now is… what would the temperature difference be between the ridge and the riverbank. If it was 42 degrees in Sacramento, 54 on the ridge, could the temperature in the river valley be even higher that 54 degrees?

I think it is possible the areas we write off as being either too close to civilization or too inhospitable for Sas to call home to be exactly where they are.

If these animals stay basically in the same area their entire life, it’s no wonder we have so much trouble finding them. They would know the area better than we could ever imagine. They have had thousands of years to get to know it.

Nope, I’m not done with this area yet…

8) R B, i also have done what you are doing, maybe i can save you some time

kevie ray, help me out here and I'll buy you one or more of your favorite brewed beverages!

I'll even come down there to do it!

For the love of Pete, spill your guts man! LOL!!!

Hiya RB, since we are both doing the same areas, thought i would give you the benefit of our expierence. Northern Nevada is empty, west of Tahoe is BEAR COUNTRY, neither of these areas are real productive. I am also a Nugget Hunter, and like gold, you have to go where it is, and that is never where you want it to be, you may want 200 big nuggets in your state, but that is not how nature works, Gold is where you find it! and if you don't have granite and quartz, or bedrock, you are never going to find it. SO make it easy on yourself, good BIGFOOTING starts at Bluff Creek and runs up to the Illinois River the Bigfoot Highway( 96 ) area, i have never failed to find something in these ares, another GREAT SPOT, YONCALLA. Or. at the garbage dump you'll pick up the tracks, and the BLUE RIVER RES. east of Eugene, they fish there. We'll be up there towards the fall season when the action starts to finish up our filming.RB all God's creatures have the herding/social instinct and so does bigfoot, they love to people watch, so do bears and the big cats. so your sucess depends on HOW YOU LOOK and HOW MUCH FEAR YOU CAN HANDLE. and always remember the DUMBEST ANIMAL in the woods is man. kr

Thanks for the info kr, no arguement on that area being bear country… I’ve found that out already… a local ranger reports it to be an area they release “problem bears” captured elsewhere… It does make for fun camping though!

So then, do you suppose the reports from the western shore of Tahoe, Hwy 50 at Echo Summit, the Rubicon River and Foresthill area reports to be from… transient BF?

What about the Quincy up to Mt. Lassen area?

And how about the southern Sierras…. the Kennedy Meadows area, Sonora Pass?

These areas have reports, not many, but there are many isolated areas... what makes you so sure there are no BF west of Tahoe?

RB, this will be my last post, so i will try to enlighten you genius's all in one post, 1) RB did you see what that young bear in New York did to the baby in a carriage? Bears are Bullies, and Cowards, and if you have 3-4 together nothing can stop that, so the female bigfoot and young can be seperated and killed. you want BIgfoot Bodies? look in a Bears stomach!, NEXT if you want to find bigfoot look at the California Rain Chart 80-120 inches is the best bigfoot country, Nevada has too little, Washington too much, that's why the area i described for you is the best. 2) for the Limey, Bigfoots don't live in family groups like gorilla, they live in territory's like Orangutan, with 2-3 females and young spread out in the territory, females are either pregnant or raising 1 at all times, twins are common. There are 12 good areas in the US and NJ is not one of them, see above. 3) to the guy in Maryland, your the reason we hate Anglo's. 4) for all the book readers, my words come from what my expierences have taught me, there is not enough true and real bigfoot information to fill 5 pages of a book. AND none of these authors will debate. so they are all a bunch of MG's , so what else is new? 5) i realize you can't all be like me and able to follow up on any report, or be able to look on private indian lands, like Bluff Creek, or Burns. so that makes me a target! a liar, GOODLUCK :wink:

Gee, thanks for setting us straight. What a pal.

For the ignorant Xenophobe, if you had read and studied as much as you claim, you would have realised that I am Irish, born and bred, and just happen to live in England.

Much like Bigfoot, where we live is not an indication of origin.

I personally find the terms 'Limey' and 'Brit' offensive.

When I read this, I was disappointed. I felt maybe we could all be civilized and discuss this without personal agendas. I wished kevie ray had taken my advice. He really didn't seem all that bad, just very passionate about his beliefs... and I can relate, to a point...




I unfortunately, know all too well what a bear can do to a person. While I've never seen a baby torn up by a bear, I've seen plenty of bodies mangled by every conceivable means. And bears are not normally as ill tempered as you suggest. And BTW, bears like the Bluff Creek area just as much as Bigfoot does... or maybe you don't hunt in California much? Prime bear country, that place is... They co-exist, just like we all have got to learn to do... Grizzlies and Alaskan Brownies are in a different category from the California Black Bear. Regarding those species, I agree with you.... but they don't live around here.



This is quite disturbing. What we've all just witnessed is a prime example of the chance we all take by allowing free speech in this country. While I'll defend to the death your right to sputter such bile, it saddens me deeply to think someone like you will in any way be associated with..... Hell, anything positive for that matter, but especially the subject of Bigfoot!

You need help. Soon.



Suddenly this becomes the best news I've had all week! 8)

And for the love of all that's Holy and good... please keep that promise.

Oh, and thanks for nothing.

Gee, I'm all better now that I have read that post and became "enlightened"! :roll:

Gimme a break! You have now joined the ranks of Mary Green. Good luck in discrediting yourself in the future.

Well thanks for that,I'm so happy I can't be like you.I don't know about "target" but "liar" ok I'll buy that.As far as follow ups on reports,is there some mental disease that allows you to write, and yet not read that I'm unaware of ?As for "let the chips fall where they may" after insulting Paul (I'm of Irish descent also).and some of the others,I KNOW exactly where I hope they land. :wink:

Don't worry, I'm holding him to it...

That's two.

Rob...you're an Anglo???



Hell, and all this time I thought Rob was part Grizzly, part dynamite and part sasquatch. I'm crushed.

Whats the big idea with Rob liking to fish..oh wait Anglo not Angler.

LMAO!!!

Let me post this link as an example of what I have used as a template as to where begin looking in California:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hunting/bear/range.html

Every time I turn around I find a new post by Kevie Ray. Dang. I never get to respond to that guy, he is always gone and I am too late. Doh! 5 pages!

REAL interesting on the b bear range RB. Any idea what the biggest ones are out there and also curious about color phases...

Just to let you know I'm not making this stuff up...

A new report from the BFRO:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=6130

GEEEEEZZZZZZZZ......I knew huntin Bigfoot was goin to be tough, but not this tough. It definitely gonna be a two man job. RB if you will hold the bears head , ill look up its butt for a bigfoot. Hope we dont find more than one in there!!
Pegleg

I'll support RB on his opinion about what bears can do to a person. I'm employed with search and rescue here in alberta, body retrieval unit. I have seen what a bear will do to a person up close and personal, all joking aside, it's not pretty. After doing this work for several years, I've actually started to hate bears

Don't hate the BearZ, hate the game...

Sorry. I think it's a disease. Rob you better get
a handle on that! It's spreading

Seriously though, why hate the bear? It's his territory,
you're on, just hafta play by his rules. In other words,
STAY AWAY FROM BUSINESS END OF THE BEAR! that, or
learn to deal with them.

(BTW, I think I violated the rule about using "hip" language
at an age where I'm not fully aware of what's hip )

Hip= a phrase or statement made by a person under the age of 18,which makes no sense to anyone over the age of 25.

Yep.....

Very true Jim, I'm only 25 and I don't fully understand the "hip" language alot of the teenagers use.

yeah and it gets worse as you get older....... :|

Wow, this was a tense thread!!! That kevie guy is just lucky I wasn't around when he was making such a @$$ of hisself ....

Anyways, I have to come back and read this again when I have more time and can absorb it all being from Northern Nevada myself...

But one thing I hafta say....you all are like HEROS for how you handled yourselves with such aplomb (sp?) absolute angels you are Oh yes, it was good I wasn't here.....

And RB you did yourself extra proud responding to that fella, WOW, you really can be articulate and intellectual when you wanna be
No toes there.....

Once again, HATS OFF to you ALL

Gee, how did i totally MISS this thread for months ??

Gee, Thanks KevieRay, i am now truely "enlightened" :rolleyes: and i wasnt aware that my heritage was "anglo" ... all this time i thought i was a hybrid, like Fishy said

"I'm part Grizz, part Gator, with a touch of the earthquake !! I got the prettiest gal, fastest horse, ugliest dog this side of Hell !! " - Del Gue from Jeremiah Johnson

"I'm blood kin to the grizzley that bit Jim Bridgers ass !!!" - Bear Claw

Why are you quoting a breakfast food,Rob?

NOT the doughnut the old trapper Jeremiah Johnson meets when he's a starvin Marvin, and who teaches Jeremiah all he knows ... (dont people watch really kewl movies any more?? )

Guess I don't get it. Now maybe if the donut had been the one to say it.......

OK I want back and read thru this thread.....

1) Who is "kevie ray"? Was he the one who faked a recording? What does he mean by "filming" and why is he such a know-it-all butthead?

2)Even though I chose to "not believe" in bigfoot mosta the time because it scares the H-E-double toothpicks outta me, I have read many reports from the areas RB is researching. Maybe these reports are of migrating bf's or something, but there are a number of reports.

3)There are alot of bears around here where I camp and hike and spend alot of time. I rarely see them! I do see alot of scratched up trees and occasionally spoor and very rarely a footprint. If there are so many bears and I see them maybe a few times every 5 years or so, then what does that tell you about seeing a bf or signs of one?

Anyways, I hope you do find what you're looking for RB and I hope I don't!

Hi M, Kevie Ray is an older guy or so he tells us. He has some strong statements from time to time and isn't allowed to play any more because he was naughty (details: Bipto or others who paid more attention to him than I did)

"now skin him pilgrim!"
i bout fell out of th chair first time i saw that setup and i still roll laffin when i see it.

hmm, roughly:"it was only a 32...but by god, it was a hawkins."

yeah, liver eatin johnson was a bigger than life character. th movie did no justice but hollywood at that time woulndt have MADE th movie like it really happened.


"th mountain men" rocks too.
best line: "you call this fightin?" as he stands there with an arrow stickin outta his chest.

yeah i like old cool movies.

Thanks msfit, I hope I find them too...

Funny you should mention that about Kevie Ray...

I think he carried a Hawkins rifle... no, wait... now where did that come from?

I have often wondered how many people come on here repeatedly just to cause trouble... but I believe bipto has all that under control real good.

I really think most of the people that have caused difficulties around here have probably been guilty of just being much too passionate about the subject and run into problems in dealing with this issue among others...

I think this subject can illicit many otherwise unfamiliar emotions... I can relate to that sometimes...

This forum does, I believe, reflect many issues of life... the good, the bad and the ugly... not just our belief in, or lack thereof, bigoot.

I continue to visit that area msfit, and will do so more now that the snow is melting...

I am taking an idea from Paul and taking a canoe to a couple of high-country lakes at night in the near future... gotta try out the night optics and all that...

If I see one, you'll know it... you'll hear me scream from where you're sitting...