Since its generally assumed that Bigfoot is an omnivoure I'm surprised that there aren't more reports of seeing them or thier tracks aroun crop fields. There are thousands of rural farms in this country and wildlife of all kinds visit as opportunists with many becoming pests in the process. Seems to me a stealthy intelligent primate would have made good use of this free bounty . Specifically rural farms in where there is Bigfoot activity should be getting many hits. Any thoughts?

Hi

I have been doing some landscaping the last few weeks to keep the cash flow coming in, ( the mechanic thing has hit an all time low ) I have been out and about in a few towns around my way, As always i look into the woods in hope to see something that might point to the bigguy being around, Today i was in a lot of corn fields and small farms, i had to do a job on this lawn that was so wet i sank into it maybe 3" easy and left tracks you could see from an airplane, I was spreading pesticides so with the water i had to stop and move to a dry location, After about 20 minutes i was done i went back to the spot were i sank and left my mark To write a report and my tracks were gone, Seems the soil had swelled back up, Being into BF and always keeping things like this in mind i figure maybe some times if he is in a field and eating the corn or what ever might be there, His tracks might get covered up by the next watering, wet soil or rain before anyone could find them in some cases

Peace
Tim

Any track, BF, human, bird, you name it, will dissipate altogether and/or are disfigured with moisture of any kind. Alot of other factors, soil compaction/content, vegetation, ambiate temperature, even wind are all factors in both the integrity of the track and it's stability. But water of any type, whether saturated in the ground or dumped on by a rain shower, can wipe out tracks about as fast as they are laid. They must not do much hunting up your way?

I have read several reports of BF eating grain in bags, stealing chickens, stripping apple trees, etc............But you are right, since there should be more of this reported. One farmer who has a huge ranch, said he killed 7 cougars this year that were eating his sheep. I wonder how many sheep were eaten by BF and not cougars? There are recent BF reports from his area.

One theory is BFs are smart enough to walk on solid ground and not leave tracks. They eat at night, and don't take too much from any one farm. Sneaky critters.

Hi Crow foot! I'm new to the Bigfoot forum and am far from an expert on this animal, but am looking forward to learning. I think I can provide some food for thought on your question as to why Bigfoot doesn't seem to feed on farm land often, assuming he's intelligent. I think you just answered your own question. I've spent most of my life on farms, dairies, and ranches, in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and California. One thing I've learned about "smart" animals, assuming that Bigfoot is an animal (I prefer to assume he's more human so I won't underestimate him), and that is that the ellusive animals like mountain lions, bears, wild pigs (although some are pigs are very brave), and even wild horses and donkeys, will only expose themselves in places like farms and ranches when they are very desperate. I would guess that most of the reports you will find on farms involving Bigfoot occure mostly in years of drought, fire, or harsh snowy winters. Years ago, when I was a soldier, I took a class in survival/escape/evade/ and resist aka "SEER" school, and the best way to avoid getting shot/found/ or captured is not to be where the searchers are, or inhabit areas that are so rugged they slow movement our make enough noise to detect approaching threats, for this reason we always set up in the most miserable swamps and chigger infested holes we could find. A survival master like Bigfoot will have skills I can't even imagine and I once hid so well a Marine Recon unit almost stepped on my hand while searching for me. Its hard to explain to people who have never stayed in the mountains, swamps, deserts, etc for 9-10 weeks at a time without showering, food, water etc., it can change your entire outlook on things and you can really smell people a long way off after that much time, what skills would BF have after a lifetime of learning from masters and genetic predisposition to avoidence? I always hear people ask "why do they smell so bad?", since I've never smelled or seen one that I'm aware of, I don't know. I do know from experience that the human body secretes a nasty, smelly, oil everyday, which we usually shower and soap off, if left to run its course and after sweating for days on end, the human body begins to smell so bad that not even flys will bother you, thank god for small blessings. Anyway, I would guess that BF would have to be forced into contact with man by circumstances and necessity and most likely would be very clever in covering his/her tracks and their theft if pushed to make such a risky venture. Just a thought.

Here are a few food stories, but several are about berry patches...or cows...

tirademan

Tim,

I agree with everything you just said. Now, apply that same mindset to the PGF prints after that "heavy rain" too.

This really makes sense, and is always what I have thought about BF stealth. Remember, BF is believed to be nocturnal and who knows the power of its night vision. Now add the senses of hearing and smell of a dog, and intelligence greater than man when it comes to stealth, and you have an animal that can hide for years. Now add the ability to thrive out in the rain and to inhabit primitive shelters. The marines need to recruit these guys.

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Tim,

I agree with everything you just said. Now, apply that same mindset to the PGF prints after that "heavy rain" too.
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I grew up living close to the New Jersey Shore where the soil is very sandy. In our neighborhood there was a sand pit that was created by cutting away a sizeable hill encompassing around 1 dozen acres. It lay between my road and immedate neighbors and a neighboring road with its own residential houses. As kids we spent endless hours playing in that sand pit and we used it as a short cut to visit our friends on the other road. We got to know just about everyones footprints and it was possible to watch the way footprints in that soil decayed. A fresh print made in damp soil would leave a nice crisp print that would harden to a certain firmness and last that way for a week or so unless it rained. Once it did rain the ptints would melt back into the soil but it would take several sessions of rain to make this happen. Prints left in dry loose soil would degrade rapidly in only a few days. I'd estimate that prints stayed on the average of a week.

On an interesting note I remember one seeing a huge set of foot prints that went right from one end of the sand pit to the other in a straight line. These were big and deep and were nothing like the normal prints we all recgonized. Those prints were there for quite a while and I used to get a certain chill every time I looked at them. This was in 1962 or 1963 long before I knew anyting about Sasquatach but my 10 year old mind was definately thinking "monster" about those tracks. I think we kids said it was the Jersey Devil that made them.

You got to remember the type of people your talking about as well. I come from a area of farmers and such as well as some of my family could be included in that group. These type of people are just the type of people who are NOT going to report a Bigfoot or anything strange. The last thing they want is it to get around the community that they are seeing Bigfoot or something as they would loose all respect and that is a very big thing to these sort of people.
I personally have 3 family members that have seen things and only told me because they know I am into that sort of thing. No way would they make a official report about it like to the police or even to a web site. Now if it was something that could be explained like when my one uncle found a panther track in his yard sure they will report that. But something like Bigfoot it is just not going to happen.

I would say that attitude would be the same with these sort of people around the world.

Very good point Mican, I would agree, most of my family are farmers, ranchers, and a few hard rock miners, and none of them openly discuss anything as "out of the box" as Bigfoot, at least until recently when I started to study it and talk about it. For a while, there was an albino mule deer doe that lived around my parents ranch, they were even afraid to mention anything about that, even though it was seen several times, finally, I got a picture of it and everyone started talking a reporting it to us when it was seen. After a few years, it turned up missing. I don't think anyone shot it, far too many people enjoyed looking for it and that would have been risky to do, it problably got sick or eaten by predators. Off subject, I would be interested in what unit Mr. Longtabber was in? I used to do alot of "joint exercises" with 1st and 3rd group and was an infantryman for the 82nd, and 3rd Ranger Batt, and even tried to transfer to 3rd group, but got very ill and was forced to retire, "Gulf War Syndrome" another thing that "doesn't exist". I also went to "Robin Sage" twice as an "OP4", that was the funnest mission I ever went on and the only time I ever had a tent or a cot, I'm sure you know what I mean. Very cool! Its a smaller world than we know.

Am I crazy, but at some point wasn't there a report going around the web concerning a BF snatching up wet cows froma farm and nursing on them? I don't even know where I read it or when, but it's just too damn weird for me to have dreamed up. Anybody remember something like this.

Anyhow if BF do raid farms, garlic farmers might be in bad shape.

I dont do groups or ODA's,ODD's or ODC's sorry but was out of AD before the 3SFGA was reactivated so my familiarity with them is pretty sparse. ( what do they call themselves- "from the rest comes the best"?)

But, I did know one of your 3RBN E-9's ( CSM Fox) and went to his retirement right after the Gulf. ( think he retired near HAAF)

hey everyone very informative & inportant new thread about sasquatch & food resources etc. thanks bill.

Back to the original topic, I have seen reports of BF in orchards, cornfields, watermelon patches, and other such places. I agree that most farmers probably would not report anything like this due to the reaction they would get.

My step dad lives in Arkansas. His brother has a farm. He says every morning at 4 something raids his chicken coup. Takes the eggs.
He describes it as a tall hairy bi-ped. Next time I'm there I will sit up and wait for the thing.

You don't have to get real specific, but where in AR does he live (county, town, etc...)?

My step dad lives in Siloam Springs, not sure where the farm is, cant be too far from there.

hey november wow very interesting above sighting indeed yes keep us updated ok with photos of the sighting location or possible sasquatch related evidence. welcome to the bigfoot forums you will like it here. arkansas is a famous state for sasquatch activity & habituation etc. thanks bill

What you describe is what BF has been reported to do around other farms. If you plan to go there, contact other researchers in the area to help set up special cameras to catch the egg snatcher. Hopefully some person on the forum can put you in contact with someone close by. Keep us posted.

I have to ask, if this happens every morning at about the same time and obviously he has seen it, why havent measures been taken to do something before?

Either investigation ( even by you unless this just started happening yesterday) or putting a stop to it.

I know that when I'm home, everytime something raids my bird pens, I send Mr Browning.

Hi

Are you going there soon ?? If not it would be cool if you could convince your Dad to stay up and find out what it is, Picture Picture

Peace
Tim

Something else to consider

These are chicken coops so what size is the man opening going into it? ( hard to imagine such a huge creature getting inside the average coop thru a man sized door without causing some damage) and then moving around INSIDE it. ( without causing damage)

I dont know how his coops are, but all of mine have the hen boxes and roosts all over- something that big inside of them leaning over to grab eggs would be like a grown man inside one of those kids playhouses.

Also, Are those coops inside pens? ( mine are) and is there chicken wire around them with some kind of gate?

I mention those because to me if such a creature entered a pen there would also be noticable indications all over. ( damage to the chicken wire- easy to see prints as chickens keep the ground pretty clean due to their scratching etc)

I'm just having some difficulty acepting such a large animal as BF is doing all these things on a regular basis and leaving no physical evidence of his ingress/egress and presence whatsoever.

I like how Bigfoot understands that Chickens lay eggs, so he doesn't kill the chickens, just takes the eggs. It is almost as though Sasquatch has developed agricultural techniques.

Maybe he has a brace of female pheasants back in the underground cave, and those eggs are just too small, so he subsidizes them with chicken eggs.

Ok, first of all I live in Los Angeles, so it will be a while before I visit Arkansas again.

Second, I called my step father last night to clear things up after getting the response I did from you guys. (I should have figured that the Old Faithful of Sasquatch would spark interest.)

Now I was working on a six pack of cerveza so I wasn't in the best frame of mind to interview him, but here is how he told it:

'My brother was dating a girl who lived on a farm. Somehow it came up that her farm was experiencing some strange activity. She said just about every morning around 3 a Bigfoot would raid their chicken house of the eggs. She invited him to come out some time and see for himself. He went out there and on night waited up. He said there were lights on the chicken house so he could see everything. Sure enough around 3 or 4 a Bigfoot showed up and went in to the chicken coup. He said he could see it start at one end and work its way down.'

Next I will contact my step dad’s brother since he was the one who had the sighting. I will probably have him write it up and e-mail it to me so I can post it for everyone.

Would you PLEASE ask them to include a picture of the coop and pen. ( highlighting the door, inside and FOV)

Now, he watched all this ( with obviously repeated occurances) and did what?

Is it still raiding it?

Thank you

LT:

I'll see. I'm not even sure how long ago this happend. The story was first told to me in 98. I will do my best to gather as much info on the sighting.

Dont forget people in rural Arkansas are used to strange thing like this. They are not hell bent on disproving anything, it's kind of like 'yep, thers a Bigfoot in them woods, seen it with my own eyes'

They see Black panthers and all kinds of weird things in the Ozarks.

Hi

From the way you were talking about it i thought it was recent or still going on, Still cool to hear if you can get the details


Peace
Tim

If it was recent, and it is still happening - for God's sake don't post it here or tell anybody except maybe Loren Coleman or Jeff Meldrum. Some people here think that they will become rich if they kill one.

And you wouldn't want that to happen because......?

hey november wow thanks for those new above updates about arkansas sasquatch sighting im realy definetly looking forward to seeing more here soon. bill

Lots of field crops hereabouts. The farmers complain of the raccoons raiding their corn, but I've not heard any reports of hairy, crop-stealing bipeds. Rest assured, I'll keep my ear to the wind, and report back if any are mentioned.

Incorrigible, all I've got for Nebraska is this one...most likely a big cat as it says...were cats still common in NB then?

(As a side note, my dad is from Fremont and I lived in Lincoln, watching the Thunderbirds practice from "Tanker Hill" during my early years in the late 60's!)

tirademan

Thanks for that! Cats had been extirpated by 1908. It's only in the last ten, fifteen years cougars have reclaimed my entire state. I lived 28 years in Fremont, and have seen the Offutt airshow many times myself, but not from Tanker Hill, however.

There are lots of reports of BF stealing farm animals and crops.

Apple tree stripped:


http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...port.php?id=361

We have lots of sheep around here, and they turn up missing. Many farmers think of a cougar or bear hauled them off and don't consider BF.

hey george wow thanks for that very inportant above update. bill

Thanks for the reply Longtabber. Sorry I'm a bit slowon the response, I was camping and hunting turkeys and just got back. As for the "chicken coup" mystery... It sounds like many of you either currently or previously lived on farms, as I have. Most of us know that many things will raid chicken coups, foxes, coyotes, stray cats/dogs, raccoons, skunks, etc. One trick you might want to try to catch the thief in action, which I used once years ago to kill a huge raccoon that was too smart for traps and resulted in me spending everynight hiding in the outhouse with a shotgun, for about 4 weeks to catch my grandfathers garden menice, and has been used a few times since... was a "modification" of my grandfathers, not so kind electrical fence which was wired dangerously and leathally to his fuse box of his house. PLEASE DON'T USE THIS METHOD ON SASQUATCH OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL, ITS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!!!! AND WAS THE RESULT OF OUR DESPERATION.[color="#FF0000"][/color] However, the same idea can be used with a simple $40 electrical horse fence, which won't hurt Sasquatch or anybody that accidentally may touch it. 1. Simply, take an old tire and lay it on its side to serve as an insulator from the ground, near the chicken coup where you think he does his handy work. 2. Place a large aluminum or steel plate on top of the tire. 3. lay a wet rag or hay on top of the plate and bait it with a dead chicken, eggs, whatever you think he will try to grab at. 4. Attach an insulated solid core houshold wire from the electrical fence control box to the metal plate, allowing only bare wire to be exposed where it contacts with the plate, otherwise it will ground out and won't work. You may also consider attaching a smaller, harder to see wire to the plate and around the bait as well 5. Since he is much bigger than a raccoon, he most likely won't ground himself by having his feet on the ground and his front feet on the plate, like the raccoon does. With luck, he will touch the plate with a finger or hand while he takes the bait, and he will get an unpleasant but harmless bite of electricity and maybe he will be surprised or annoyed enough to scream and let you know he tried to take your bait . You may want your camera nearby to catch him on film when your trick surprises him. It really works, because its in the open, nonthreatening, and really looks to good to be true . Again ONLY USE THE NON LETHAL HORSE FENCE SHOCKER!!! The other way is very dangerous and could hurt or kill someone, not to mention burn out every fuse in the house as your grandparents are watching the most exciting episode of "Dallas" of all time. This is a very effective trick, and may teach him/her to leave your chicken alone. Please don't use this to hurt them, only to let yourself know when they're outside and to teach them to leave the chickens alone.

IF it is still going on, consider putting a video camera in the coop and some others outside. If you are able to get quality footage, it could be a major turning point in this mystery.

What other weird things are being seen in the Ozarks?

Finally, being a native Arkansan, I agree that there are a lot of "things" out there in the AR boonies that we don't really know much about.

Sadly I don't think much will come of this. I will e-mail my uncle after a reply here and get him to write up his story.

Other weird things?.......Spook lights, giant wolves, strange sounds......

I have seen the Hornet Light in Joplin MO. My grandfather talked about seeing Black panthers, hearing unexplainable sounds on his farm, and red orbs over the tree line.

Just had a thought...watch out!


All mammals have THC receptors. Deer go crazy for Cannabis. If Sasquatch is raiding any fields, it lush green rows of buds. I would venture to say (being the bipedal ape that I am) that Sasquatch has a long history with this plant and would most likely frequent the crop given its known capability to cause dependency.

The problem with this theory is that any Cannabis growing outlaws would never report that sort of activity and could be the sub culture of this subject.

Come out you farmers!

We know you’re out there!

I'm sorry but this little comment cracks me up. I don't know whether you're being serious or a smartarse..

I'm currently working on an event that took place last summer. An organic farmer in the foothills of the North Cascades had his electric fence tore down. Then found 16" tracks leading right into his corn, squash, and bamboo crops. I have no problem believing that bigfoot raids corn crops. I feel like doing it myself sometimes!!!

UPDATE:


My stepdad called his brother. He is working on putting together a written account.

He did say that this happened in 1995, and the "bigfoot" was not just taking the eggs but also eating the chickens.

Hi

Sounds good,




Peace
Tim

Oh well.... Probably not much chance of finding anything now.

The book "Alabama Bigfoot" by James M. Smith has one account of a pair of farmers watching from a distance as a bigfoot "grazed" its way through one of there corn fields. After it left, the went to the spot to find tracks and partly eaten corn cobs and shucks. It seems this could happen in some of the more remote corn plantings in other states the same as in Alabama.

This year I will be looking for peanut fields and field corn close in around forested uplands and wooded bottoms. Maybe there will be bigfoot tracks left behind if glean peanuts fallen during harvest.

Here are a few related sighting reports:
www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/unknown.htm
www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/mora.htm
www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=9750
www.gcbro.com/LAver0002.htm

Remember though, they only like the honey roasted kind....