I remember reading (in my many months of lurking prior to getting a login) on the BFF that this was the motivator for many peoples’ 1st interest in BF. As I sit here watching this now (after a few Bacardi & cokes {where is bigfootdad when you need him}), and after rereading all Paul’s links, LOBC search, I still find myself very much less impressed.

As I’m old enough that my 1st motivator was the PGF, I’m wondering how many of you still hold (generally), LOBC (and Fouke monster) in high esteem and serious BF consideration. I still find it entertaining myself; and hey, who doesn’t love the song “Hey Travis Crabtree?!”.

Appreciate your input. Thanks…and “let’s all have a coke”.

hey trinity wow great new thread about the fouke monster & boggy creek. maybe people from arkansas here will post some new stuff in this great thread. good evening bill he always travels the creeks ????????

I agree Bill, comments from the locals were what I was looking for; but looks like not much interest at this time. I am surprised at the results so far though. I'll give it a couple more days and see about closing it....

Trin

hey trinity thanks for the above reply but keep this thread open im sure people here will put their opinions here, i hope they do a new boggy creek movie in near future. good afternoon bill

I voted that it is likely there was a real creature behind the legend. There may not be an actual creature now, based on one family that M.K. Davis and Jay Michael ran across a few years ago in the Fouke area on the way back from the TBRC Conference that were caught hoaxing. I believe that Smokey Crabtree possibly heard the Fouke Monster, and that others have experienced things in the area, but I am a bit dubious that there is anything there now other than someone running across the road in a gorilla suit. TLOBC is largely fiction, for the most part, but some of the stories described in the film could have some merit, most notably the Ford account. I mean, something scared Bobby Ford so badly that he jumped through a closed wooden door. What that was, we may never know. Fascinating idea for a poll, trinity.

Because someone runs across a road in a gorilla suit does not negate the possibility there is a live animal there now. To gauge the possibility of one using the other is silly.

I spoke with someone who experienced something out in Mercer bayou and it wasn't someone in a suit according to that witness. It is difficult to the point of impossible for me to believe someone in a suit would travel miles through the bayou, locate this witness and then push a large broken tree over in the middle of a severe thunderstorm in the middle of the night.

The other thing about the Fouke Monster story that convinces me is the fact that it was thought to be a hoax, by all of the smart people, because they only found three toed tracks.

After seeing them myself and hearing enough reports of three toed tracks in OK, AR, TX and LA, I am more suspicious of reports of five toed tracks.

I ought to tell you my story on the boggy creek monster

It wasnt- but its funny and could have been tragic

I have to admit the three-toed tracks bother me since even apes have 5 toes, and I lean toward alligator as the culprit, but I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water on the whole deal. The history of sightings goes back further than any schmuck running around in a gorilla suit there in Fouke. I've heard the stories too that one of the Crabtree's ran around in a gorilla suit to drive the black errr... people of color... out of Fouke. The sightings, however, go back farther than that. I just don't buy that as an entire hoax. That and the person I mentioned above who had the harrowing experience out in Mercer Bayou during a severe thunderstorm makes me think there's something to it. For the record, I don't think the Crabtrees did any such thing, because I don't have any proof of that and without it, it's just another rumor. Besides if that got out it would ruin Smoky's business.

That said I can certainly see the opposing "hoax" opinion merits because there has been some hoaxing, apparently, going on. If it's true one of the Crabtree's was running around in a gorilla suit then it makes all of the Crabtree's sightings suspect and casts them in a bad light and would make me wonder if they all were in on it from the beginning and their sightings of the "Fouke monster" merely a product of that hoax. If that's true then Smoky has some "splainin" to do coz he's been selling books about his experiences with the Fouke monster for years now. IF the hoax is true and the Crabtrees were at the bottom of it Smoky has been bilking people out of their money for quite some time. Even without all of the sightings that go back to the 1940's in the Fouke Dodderidge area, I honestly don't want to lay that kind of blame at their door solely on the word of someone from Fouke without any proof of any kind.

Longtabber please do enlighten us with your story!

Thats all this is is a story. A "hoax" perpetrated on young teens hunting there hoping to get mallards. ( this is NOT a BF or alleged encounter)

I and some of our "gang" went there duck hunting

Making a long story short- ghost stories were told, beer was drunk ( pink champaile, mickeys and the Bull) and we were camping on a young teen "adventure"

Our "hosts" ( from the local deer club) ran a line with a spray painted croaker sack "monster" ( must have been an initiation thing)
This "howl" ( as we later learned was from the BC movie) was played on someones car speakers with commotion etc.

We got up, scared, drunk and looking ( would have been funny except we had real guns with real ammo)

This black "thing" started coming- we opened up

When it was all over- they came in with lights etc- we did in fact "kill" a straw monster

After things calmed down- we all realized what COULD have happened- that was a sobering moment

It was a kids joke- granted, but it could have been a disaster

Important lesson in firearm safety, dealing with young teens and playing jokes in the dark

weapons discharges in the dark dont discriminate- it would up being nothing but it could have been deadly if that wasnt a sack filled with leaves/straw and had been a human "scaring" kids

You know.. I've learned from stuff like that laugh because it was funny but keep the lesson it teaches. Sounds like you did both.

Lord to have been a fly in that camp watching that going on. LMAO!! I remember that Boggy Creek scream. Scared the hell out of me. I used to fast forward through that thing because it gave me the creeps!

T

Hi Teresa,

I'm curious about the witness you mentioned speaking with. Did they also report an actual sighting, vocalizations, or what? Not trying to be a smarta$$ here, but a tree being broken and falling over during a severe thunderstorm isn't exactly an odd occurence, so I can't help but wonder if there was more to it than just that???

Thanks,
SS

It was basically just a big tall stump of a tree and it wasn' blown over. The witness said he heard it being pushed over. He had a couple of "hog dogs" with him and one of them was growling the whole time. He did not get a visual because he said he was too scared to look. This is a seasoned hunter who was out hog hunting and just got lost in the bottoms. He said he knew for certain it wasn't a hog. He was right next to a creek and he combined the tree being pushed over with a terrible smell. One of his dogs ran off during the encounter with whatever. The other dog he was holding by the collar. He was hunkered down in a makeshift lean to of limbs and brush against a tree. This is someone who isn't from the area and had never heard stories of the Fouke monster at all. He was new to the area. I spoke with him in person and he was visibly shaken said nothing like that had ever happened to him before. He didn't say what he had an encounter with, didn't know anything about any monsters or such, only that it wasn't anything he knew of and that nothing like that had ever happened to him before in his life. He did say he heard something scream that wasn't like anything he'd ever heard before. He said it was like a "cow dying" or something.

That's all I got.

Oh... now he did say that the guy he was hunting with who was hunkered down with him started screaming about a monster when the tree was pushed over. The whole encounter is posted somewhere on this forum in detail but I can't remember where.

That's just one encounter. There was a coon hunter who said a large upright animal was splashing water on him when he shined his flashlight on it to see what was following him walking down the creek. That report is on the BFRO website investigated by Daryl Colyer when he was associated with the BFRO.

Thanks Teresa. That's quite interesting, and a spooky sounding experience. I figured there had to be more to the story. I hope I didn't appear like I was doubting you, but I just wanted to hear "the rest of the story", as Paul Harvey says.

I knew if I got your support Bill, more people would provide input....thanks!

The three-toed concept threw off my opinion many years ago, but I don't hold anything for certain as of late.
Then again, I've never been one of the "smart people".

T

http://www.texasbigfoot.org/reports/report...er&state=AR

No problem SS. I don't have a problem at all explaining things. It either holds water or it doesn't so question away. You won't get an argument from me and I'll explain things as best I can in relation to what I was told by the person who was there. I didn't take it like you were doubting me and if you did that would be fine too!

Was there a more detailed report than this one Teresa? Mercer Bayou bottoms
A great story indeed...

Trin

Yep Trinity, that's the one. I've forgotten some of the details so it was nice to reread it. The young man moved back to Kentucky and I haven't talked to him since.

Thanks Teresa, I remember reading that when you originally posted it now. Also thanks to Texas Tracker and Trinity for the links that you posted.

Sounds like it would be a very interesting, and quite spooky, place to spend a night!

YW SS. While I won't call his experience a bonafide bigfoot experience because he wouldn't call it that either, I'm stymied as to what it could have been that occurred. I'm pretty confident ruling out hoax though. That would have to be some pretty dedicated hoaxers to go out in weather like that just to scare two people in the middle of the bottoms. They left the boat they were using there and got out of there the next morning. The boat belonged to my cousin so they had to go back to get it but they didn't want to.

I voted that I believed there was a real creature. That movie sparked my interest in BF as a kid and it has remained into adulthood. Geezer status as well probably if I'm not already there.

The three toed footprints don't really concern me as to the validity of the Fouke Monster. This seems to mirror footprint casts from Louisiana and Eastern Texas. I suppose it could be a regional genetic trait. Perhaps from in-breeding due to the small numbers.

Just my .02 cents!

Not sure if it was/is real or not, but what I do know is that The Legend of Boggy creek scared the hell out of me when I was a kid.

lol it scared the hell out of a lot of us when we were kids!

I would like to meet Smokey one day. Does he make it to the Texas/TBRC Conference from time to time?

trin

I was also frightened to death of it when I was young. If a monster's scary enough it won't let anything as small as an ocean get between it and you.

It's good to note that whilst there's a vote for "It's not real - I have inside knowledge" there's also a vote for "It is real, I have insider knowledge.". New definition of bigfoot researchers - 'individuals motivated to come together to earnestly pull in a different direction from each other'.

Any chance of hearing from the two voters who have "inside" knowlwedge ? Please?

T

Yes he does. He will be there at the 2008 Texas Bigfoot Conference on October 18.

There are only yes or no options. Wish an "unsure" and/or "likely yes" and/or "likely no" type vote was included.

He will also be at the 2009 Texas Bigfoot Conference on September 26 in Tyler, TX.

My 'inside source' tells me that old Smokey is a teller of tall tales.

He has enjoyed the fame and all that comes with it, but his stories are fabrications.

(Please don't shoot the messenger.)

he always travels the creeks boggy creek this is on famous creature that should studied without harm etc. any new sightings experiences in boggy creek sulpher river bottoms swamps lately updates as it continues. good evening bill