/very realistic, he may of du=one it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHVFE02NTgU

Sorry for the typos. I was typing in the dark. Looks and appears very realistic.

Here's the problems I see with that video...



Eyes:

White skin around eyes can be seen through what appears to be eye holes in a rubber mask. If this were a bigfoot I highly doubt he'd stand there staring at a camera taking his picture. If he was curious enough to stare at it, he'd be curious enough to rip it down and examine it more closely.

Mouth:

At no time does the mouth move, nor does the tongue move.

Rest:

There is no muscle movement apparent in the facial area whatsoever which you would expect from it breathing if nothing else. It even appears to me that this is a rubber mask with no apparent facial hair or head hair of any kind on it's head, yet the body appears to be covered profusely with hair.

I rate this not only a fake but a very bad fake.

As I can't connect to YouTube from work :
What is the story if any behind this photo?

I was however able to sample a blow up of the picture and face.
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Not a guy in a suit. Definately not a Sasquatch.

Oliver the bidpedial chimp - http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/oliver/

"About This Video
Camera was strapped to a branch about 10 feet above feeder pointing down when this was caught, location near the Klamath River, Oregon/California border" <----stated on YouTube


I like it. At least it's not a blob. If it's a fake video, at least it's unlike 99% of the way in the distance blurry nothings. Is it just the pixels or do the eyebrows scrunch together at one point?

Oliver the chimp? Yeah, thats what I thought first too Mark.

It's way to robust to be Oliver or any chimp. I'm not saying it's not a guy in a suit but at least it's in focus and he stares right into the lens. I hope there is a follow up to this video. I'm probably a fool, but I kind of like this clip. Maybe it's wishful thinking..... or the beer talking.

I could not find any poses of "Oliver" in this manner
Comparison I don't think these are the same but very similar in facial features
Perhaps a refugee from the Oregon Primate center?

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Would be nice to have the whole story from the people involved

Interresting... hope te see and hear more about this

Hi

I have to go with moregon on this one



At no time does the mouth move, nor does the tongue move.



But i do like like man apes so i give it a for 50's SiFi

Peace
Tim

There are many reasons not to like this video...or rather, not to get too excited about it too soon.

If you've read any of Bill Munn's essays on suits you'll see that this image contains a number of issues that make it suspect.

#1, as has been aluded to, there is no animation of the face. The figure is obviously curious, yet there is no head movement like one would expect from someone/something examining a curiousity. The head isn't even really looking up. I take that to mean the head simply cannot extend in that manner. There are no indications the features of the face are flexible or animated.

#2, the fur is typical looking hollywood fur. Thick and sticking out like a shag rug and when the figure begins to walk away, under the cam, there is a really obvious defect visible at the base of the neck on the back that I'd dearly love to have a better photograph of.

It's a good attempt. Better than most.

K

Considering this may be a costume, I think it's interesting enough to note that this persons only other video posted at youtube happens to be of Janos Prohaska, a Hollywood costume maker, being questioned about his thoughts on the P/G film subject.

Wow...not too much video- action for a while, and then boom - we get some interesting ones to debunk. Not a typical suit, and not your typical blob from 180 feet away. A stocky guy in a customized suit? Anyone with a close encounter - is this face what you saw? Good check mkianni.

It is FAKE.Look at the humans right eye in the costumes mouth.

Hi

Now there ya go Thats why i like this forum ya just ain't going to get away with Hoaxing....................

Good one Dude

Peace
Tim

Its a suit. You guys have missed the bleedin' obvious!

The guy who posted this posted a short video about Janos Prohaska two months ago. I doubt that is a coincidence.

Oliver the chimp,

2min 40sec here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6NkRUbI38

Oliver is one ugly chimp.

Nice catch Punisher...yes, indeed, it's that wily Oliver.


As Punisher mentions...look at the 2 min 40 sec mark....same footage.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6NkRUbI38

Can someone post that there in the comments? It won't let me, whether I include the link or not.

Hi

Wow it is Oliver, Great work on that guys Like i said it ain't going to get by this Forum


Peace
Tim

Refugee with Spock ears I say

I see ya made it Stacey.. I've had the same problem it won't let you post Links due to people spamming other's videos to get them to go to their videos. I posted just after you including the Username who posted the original Oliver footage but so far that hasn't appeared either.

Looks like "Oliver" was stranger than I imagined to be able to hold his mouth open that long without any muscle movement of his face, mouth or tongue. That right eye still doesn't look right compared to other chimps etc. That'll teach me...

Screen Capture from the 2 min 40 second of Oliver posted by Primate1234..

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Don't credit me, I got the answer from some posts on Loren's site

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/klamath-bigfoot2/

Sorry about that, I should have credited them.

Now I think about it Oliver looks like General Thade from Burton's Planet of the Apes
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As many times as I've looked at him, to this day Oliver kind of freaks me out... there's just enough "off" about him that it's unsettling to watch him.

Hi

Funny about him so human like but still very Chimp , I can only imagine what staring at a BF would be like

Peace
Tim

Yep, even has those pointy Spock ears

Wow, good work. It didn't look like him to me. I feel a little silly now. My hopes were up for this one.

Well done, Punisher, this is why I come here.

Now, everyone who swore up and down this was a mask, and a guy in a suit! Take notice.

Objective acceptance of evidence is as important in your skillset as objective rejection.

Is it actually possible for a human and a chimp to produce a viable offspring?

I would have thought more likely that this is a case of divergent evolution, that if this adaptation proves beneficial, (and human interest is a debatable benefit, since to be beneficial, he'd have to have stayed in the bush, producing more offspring) then we are at a historic moment, the chimps may be at the stage of evolving to follow us into bipedalism and increased intelligence.

Fascinating case, though.

hey bc cryptid wow what a very nice interesting above conterversal reply regarding this new sasquatch cam photo. good afternoon bill but the people who took this photo of the sasquatch should be interviewed.

agreed, face looks like a chimp to me

Makes more sense now.

No curiosity about the camera, no facial movements because he's been around cameras all his life. The spot on the back of his neck is probably from years of having a leash around his neck.

K

Just can't believe how fake that looked and yet it was a real chimp!. I was sure the fur looked fake, I couldn't see any muscle definition, the face didn't move so I was sure it was a mask. Shows how easy it is to get it wrong. I think I'll bookmark it and the next time I hear a sceptic shout that Patty's obviously a suit, I'll throw this one out and test their suit detecting ability.

Obiwan

That's a great idea. In fact...try it under the patterson gimlin discussions and see if drew steps on it.

K

Hi

Lesson learned on that one i guess, it won't go unnoticed by anyone who reads the thread, just makes us all better don't it


peace
Tim

According to wikki, they DNA tested him and he's chimp, through and through.

There is some discussion on if he's a mutant or not. It appears he was bipedal due to arthritis from an early age.

I'm still not convinced there wasn't something else going on there, nature playing with a random adaptation. The rejection of him by other chimps, and his desire to try to model human behavior (and later, model human sexual behavior) seems to warrant closer study.

With the observed tool use in chimps on the rise, I still maintain that they are close to making the leap to bipedalism and increased intelligence though. That would be real creepy, to encounter a troop of bipedal chimps who use various tools, living in the bush!

I think the thing that is " off " about him is the fact that he is so similar to us, more than other Chimps, the walking, the look in his eyes, i can't put my finger on it either but yeah, it is unsettling..

But i personally think there are about 15,000 or so approximate other Creatures that are in N America that would be even more unsettling to view based on their likeness to us..

Interesting to see people still think "fake" even with up close video comes around of a proven animal. Oliver is as real as you or I.

Agreed.