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Redratsnake pointed me in this direction for sightings. I was wondering if there are any more stories from CO other than what has been posted. When I have more time, I should tell of the stories I know. Thanks!
Hi
I pointed ya here so you could read all the BF sightings the members had , i didn't know you also had one, Toss it up Man
Peace
Tim
I pointed ya here so you could read all the BF sightings the members had , i didn't know you also had one, Toss it up Man
Peace
Tim
Well Ok. I will start off by saying that I did not see a "Squatch", but I sure did see the tracks. After seeing them, I got much more interested in the whole subject. After reading all that I have, I am about 90-95% sure they exist. Gotta see one to be 100% I'm afraid (even then?)
I saw these tracks back in February 2004 in the White River National forest of Colorado. At the time, I was working for a snowmobile guide service as a guide. We did many types of tours, but I ended up doing many of the lunch tours because of the type of clientele and I told a decent story about the area and the history of it. I also had/have a deep passion for Colorado Grizzly Bears and know that they still exist in the state. Wolverines and wolves are also suppose to be extinct, yet I have seen 2 out of the three.
Getting back on track here, we (me, the lead Guide, and 8 people on 6 sleds) go up 11 miles to a ranch based at the foot of the Gore Range. About 3 miles up on the right hand side I noticed something different. At an area where it is very steep going into an Aspen Grove and on a tight switchback, I saw what turned out to be 2 sets of tracks. At this switchback you have to slow the whole group down to less than 5 MPH. I've done this trip so many times and have racked up so many thousands of miles on these trails, I have literally done it my eyes closed...so things jump out at you when they are out of place. So, I definately noticed what appeared to be 4 tracks in a row going up a very steep, yet short hillside heading out to the Ranch.
We get to the ranch and I eat with our guests to get to know them and tell Grizzly Bear and Wolverine stories. As it turns out, one of the guests is a very accomplished big game hunter (including Alaskan and Kamchatka Brown Bear). I tell him what I saw, we agree to stop on the way back.
On the way back, we stop at the tracks. On the way up, I only saw the one bigger set. Now I notice the second smaller set. The reason I did not notice the second set was simply the curve of the trail. You could not see them on the way up unless you had known they were there. There we are looking at these tracks, sleds off. I tell the guests what me and the guy had talked about at lunch. I tell them that I have not seen these before, ruling out any ungulate, since they were clearly bipedal. Ruled out snowshoer....told them to take a look at the snowshoe tracks when we return to base...not a snoeshoe hare either. Or a fox or coyote. These tracks were almost in a straight line and were about 18-20 inches long by 10-12 inches wide. The smaller ones were about 20-25 feet to the right or south and 3-5 inches smaller in each dimension. There were 4 on the left and 5 on the right where the slope was slightly less steep. I looked over at the man who would end up giving me a $200 tip and the look on his face was so funny....but clearly dumbfounded. I asked him what he thought they might be and he just said I have no idea, shaking his head, staring at the tracks.
After the tour, I grab my buddy to go take a quick look again. We get there and we looked at them for a good 25 minutes. He is a huge skeptic on everything including cell phones. The thing we noticed at that time was that there was a small pile of snow at the foot of every track. The shape of them were in essence, human, clearly bipedal...but there was a HUGE gap between each track. No drag marks, nothing indicating any animal jumping from one track to the other. I have seen moose tracks and many others. Nothing matched it. The snow was untouched and was very deep, at least 3 feet, north facing slope. My guide friend was dumbfounded as well.
Nope, no pictures. Of course. It's only fitting. I carry my camera on every tour...except this one. I have pics of Albino Mule Deer, Bear, Moose, etc from tours. Nope, forgot my camera. Didnt even think about grabbing a disposable at the base. I'll just grab it for tomorrow and take some photos then....Besides its almost dark. And of course it snows 14 inches that night.
Looking back on those tracks i have recalled a few things. 1. They were right next to a drainage called Snake River that ends up going to Gore Creek, then the Eagle river, then the Colorado. Water source. 2. There were two of them. Other sightings a few years back include two of them. 3. The pile of snow at the foot would have resulted from the snow that came down around the foot, just like it would with us....deposited as it went up hill. 4. The trail was groomed that night before the tracks....no tracks on the trail, we did look. What that means is the groomer ran them over either going up or going down....he saw nothing. 5. What is in that direction? Not a trail. Very rugged. My roommate grew up here and has hunted there...very rugged. Another 2 miles before hitting Lost Lake trail. 6. If it was a snowshoer, he/she was one of the best in the world. I had a different friend of mine who actually is a world class rafter and in excellent shape run down a hillside the same steepness and he tracked the snot out of the fresh snow, dragging and such. 7. Looks to me that the animal lifted the feet WAY out of the post holed snow and placed them down in the next step.
Did I try to follow the tracks? yep. I made it about halfway up the day/evening i saw them. Walked right next to them. One step for my every 4 or 5. Very deep snow, very steep.
Before I write a novel, I'll slow down a bit. Thats what I saw. Since then I have gathered many other stories from around this area....100 mile radius. A white one climbing up a cornice on the east side of climax mountain on all fours, then at the top, stands up and walks away. A snowcat driver saw "something very big and not a moose" on the same trail I saw the tracks 2 years prior. A guy that did not see one but got a rude awaking by a loud howl-scream in the Holy Cross Wilderness. The list goes on and many coincide with what is on the Beef-Ro.
So any others out there? I also have found tons of good stories from Bow Hunters. Seems more bow hunters see em than any other type of hunter. Why? They are typically much better hunters. They have to get about 10 times closer to their kill. Any body seen stuff in CO??
I saw these tracks back in February 2004 in the White River National forest of Colorado. At the time, I was working for a snowmobile guide service as a guide. We did many types of tours, but I ended up doing many of the lunch tours because of the type of clientele and I told a decent story about the area and the history of it. I also had/have a deep passion for Colorado Grizzly Bears and know that they still exist in the state. Wolverines and wolves are also suppose to be extinct, yet I have seen 2 out of the three.
Getting back on track here, we (me, the lead Guide, and 8 people on 6 sleds) go up 11 miles to a ranch based at the foot of the Gore Range. About 3 miles up on the right hand side I noticed something different. At an area where it is very steep going into an Aspen Grove and on a tight switchback, I saw what turned out to be 2 sets of tracks. At this switchback you have to slow the whole group down to less than 5 MPH. I've done this trip so many times and have racked up so many thousands of miles on these trails, I have literally done it my eyes closed...so things jump out at you when they are out of place. So, I definately noticed what appeared to be 4 tracks in a row going up a very steep, yet short hillside heading out to the Ranch.
We get to the ranch and I eat with our guests to get to know them and tell Grizzly Bear and Wolverine stories. As it turns out, one of the guests is a very accomplished big game hunter (including Alaskan and Kamchatka Brown Bear). I tell him what I saw, we agree to stop on the way back.
On the way back, we stop at the tracks. On the way up, I only saw the one bigger set. Now I notice the second smaller set. The reason I did not notice the second set was simply the curve of the trail. You could not see them on the way up unless you had known they were there. There we are looking at these tracks, sleds off. I tell the guests what me and the guy had talked about at lunch. I tell them that I have not seen these before, ruling out any ungulate, since they were clearly bipedal. Ruled out snowshoer....told them to take a look at the snowshoe tracks when we return to base...not a snoeshoe hare either. Or a fox or coyote. These tracks were almost in a straight line and were about 18-20 inches long by 10-12 inches wide. The smaller ones were about 20-25 feet to the right or south and 3-5 inches smaller in each dimension. There were 4 on the left and 5 on the right where the slope was slightly less steep. I looked over at the man who would end up giving me a $200 tip and the look on his face was so funny....but clearly dumbfounded. I asked him what he thought they might be and he just said I have no idea, shaking his head, staring at the tracks.
After the tour, I grab my buddy to go take a quick look again. We get there and we looked at them for a good 25 minutes. He is a huge skeptic on everything including cell phones. The thing we noticed at that time was that there was a small pile of snow at the foot of every track. The shape of them were in essence, human, clearly bipedal...but there was a HUGE gap between each track. No drag marks, nothing indicating any animal jumping from one track to the other. I have seen moose tracks and many others. Nothing matched it. The snow was untouched and was very deep, at least 3 feet, north facing slope. My guide friend was dumbfounded as well.
Nope, no pictures. Of course. It's only fitting. I carry my camera on every tour...except this one. I have pics of Albino Mule Deer, Bear, Moose, etc from tours. Nope, forgot my camera. Didnt even think about grabbing a disposable at the base. I'll just grab it for tomorrow and take some photos then....Besides its almost dark. And of course it snows 14 inches that night.
Looking back on those tracks i have recalled a few things. 1. They were right next to a drainage called Snake River that ends up going to Gore Creek, then the Eagle river, then the Colorado. Water source. 2. There were two of them. Other sightings a few years back include two of them. 3. The pile of snow at the foot would have resulted from the snow that came down around the foot, just like it would with us....deposited as it went up hill. 4. The trail was groomed that night before the tracks....no tracks on the trail, we did look. What that means is the groomer ran them over either going up or going down....he saw nothing. 5. What is in that direction? Not a trail. Very rugged. My roommate grew up here and has hunted there...very rugged. Another 2 miles before hitting Lost Lake trail. 6. If it was a snowshoer, he/she was one of the best in the world. I had a different friend of mine who actually is a world class rafter and in excellent shape run down a hillside the same steepness and he tracked the snot out of the fresh snow, dragging and such. 7. Looks to me that the animal lifted the feet WAY out of the post holed snow and placed them down in the next step.
Did I try to follow the tracks? yep. I made it about halfway up the day/evening i saw them. Walked right next to them. One step for my every 4 or 5. Very deep snow, very steep.
Before I write a novel, I'll slow down a bit. Thats what I saw. Since then I have gathered many other stories from around this area....100 mile radius. A white one climbing up a cornice on the east side of climax mountain on all fours, then at the top, stands up and walks away. A snowcat driver saw "something very big and not a moose" on the same trail I saw the tracks 2 years prior. A guy that did not see one but got a rude awaking by a loud howl-scream in the Holy Cross Wilderness. The list goes on and many coincide with what is on the Beef-Ro.
So any others out there? I also have found tons of good stories from Bow Hunters. Seems more bow hunters see em than any other type of hunter. Why? They are typically much better hunters. They have to get about 10 times closer to their kill. Any body seen stuff in CO??
Nope, no pictures. Of course. It's only fitting. I carry my camera on every tour...except this one. I have pics of Albino Mule Deer, Bear, Moose, etc from tours. Nope, forgot my camera. Didnt even think about grabbing a disposable at the base. I'll just grab it for tomorrow and take some photos then....Besides its almost dark. And of course it snows 14 inches that night.
Hi
Wow, Man of all the times to forget the camara
Peace
Tim
Hi
Wow, Man of all the times to forget the camara
Peace
Tim
Exactly. RRS - thanks again.
Almost every picture I have seen in the snow looks exactly the same as the ones I saw. There are numerous on this site. The most recent one that everyone seemed to think was a hoax was a perfect example of how they looked.
Here is my friend's phone number that still is a big skeptic, even though he cannot explain those tracks...<phone # edited out> His name is Wally.
edited out the phone number... I just don't feel right allowing you to make someone else's phone number public on the BFF....oregonfooter
Almost every picture I have seen in the snow looks exactly the same as the ones I saw. There are numerous on this site. The most recent one that everyone seemed to think was a hoax was a perfect example of how they looked.
Here is my friend's phone number that still is a big skeptic, even though he cannot explain those tracks...<phone # edited out> His name is Wally.
edited out the phone number... I just don't feel right allowing you to make someone else's phone number public on the BFF....oregonfooter
Giganto, you may want to send phone #s via PMs instead of posting it on a public forum.
QUOTE(Gigantopenusus @ Feb 20 2008, 04:26 AM) 
Exactly. RRS - thanks again.
Almost every picture I have seen in the snow looks exactly the same as the ones I saw. There are numerous on this site. The most recent one that everyone seemed to think was a hoax was a perfect example of how they looked.
Here is my friend's phone number that still is a big skeptic, even though he cannot explain those tracks...<phone # edited out> His name is Wally.
edited out the phone number... I just don't feel right allowing you to make someone else's phone number public on the BFF....oregonfooter
Almost every picture I have seen in the snow looks exactly the same as the ones I saw. There are numerous on this site. The most recent one that everyone seemed to think was a hoax was a perfect example of how they looked.
Here is my friend's phone number that still is a big skeptic, even though he cannot explain those tracks...<phone # edited out> His name is Wally.
edited out the phone number... I just don't feel right allowing you to make someone else's phone number public on the BFF....oregonfooter
hey friend good afternoon welcome to bigfoot forums, your sighting sounds very interesting. do you have a photo the sighting location, or photos of possible sasquatch evidence. can you draw a sketch of what you saw. were there other sasquatch activity prior your encounter in your state. thanks bill
BillGreen
Sorry no pics. But if you go to bigfootencounters they look just like the tracks seen on that first page, upper left hand corner. In fact, I have seen other tracks in the snow and the ones that I saw looked much like them.
No pics right now of the area where I found these, but this is where they were -
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searc...;zipcode=#south
At the tight switchback just before the Snake and Indian drainages converge. There is a gauging station there as well.
Other stories? My goodness...lots and lots and lots. 2 years previous, our snowcat driver saw something "very big" while he was grooming in the exact same area. Startled him pretty good. Tons of sightings in the Holy Cross area, Fulford, Eagle, Gypsum, etc etc. Stories dating back to the 1870's. We are not far from Leadville either and there are tons there. I frankly have too many stories to tell....I could write a freakin book on all of them.
My roommate works with this girl who saw one this past fall near Fulford (only a 20 miles away, but deep in the forest near Holy Cross Wilderness boundaries). I have yet to talk with her, but hope to soon. All I know is that she said she saw it near an Aspen grove.
My theory is that these things migrate with the Elk, so it was headed down to lower elevations at the time. Directly to the west of Fulford is a very large, untouched private acreage that is great habitat for Elk in the winter.
more later, gotta go
Sorry no pics. But if you go to bigfootencounters they look just like the tracks seen on that first page, upper left hand corner. In fact, I have seen other tracks in the snow and the ones that I saw looked much like them.
No pics right now of the area where I found these, but this is where they were -
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searc...;zipcode=#south
At the tight switchback just before the Snake and Indian drainages converge. There is a gauging station there as well.
Other stories? My goodness...lots and lots and lots. 2 years previous, our snowcat driver saw something "very big" while he was grooming in the exact same area. Startled him pretty good. Tons of sightings in the Holy Cross area, Fulford, Eagle, Gypsum, etc etc. Stories dating back to the 1870's. We are not far from Leadville either and there are tons there. I frankly have too many stories to tell....I could write a freakin book on all of them.
My roommate works with this girl who saw one this past fall near Fulford (only a 20 miles away, but deep in the forest near Holy Cross Wilderness boundaries). I have yet to talk with her, but hope to soon. All I know is that she said she saw it near an Aspen grove.
My theory is that these things migrate with the Elk, so it was headed down to lower elevations at the time. Directly to the west of Fulford is a very large, untouched private acreage that is great habitat for Elk in the winter.
more later, gotta go
hey gignato your very welcome for the very new above informative reply to me here im sure everyone will injoy as well. keep in touch ok. thanks bill 
I may be missung where the Snake River drainage is, but the map indicates you saw this at the top of Bridge St in downtown Vail at the foot of the Mid-Vail Express chairlift. Can that be correct?? Please clarify.
Hi
I am starting to smell something here, Hope i am wrong
Peace
Tim
I am starting to smell something here, Hope i am wrong
Peace
Tim
QUOTE(redratsnake @ Feb 29 2008, 06:04 PM)
Hi
I am starting to smell something here, Hope i am wrong
Peace
Tim
I am starting to smell something here, Hope i am wrong
Peace
Tim
Let me see.......
NO omniscient, hockey playing bulls that can detach their heads, follow the puck and, ala Wayne Gretsky,see all the other skaters and know where they are on the ice....as well as sit on the puck to force a face=off
Also, where was the skimobile lunch tour HQ? The two I know in the area originate from Vail Pass, and the old 10th Mt Division Campground. Neither drains into Gore Creek, and either is more than 10 miles from Vail.
Again, I may have this all incorrect, but the map you provided confuses orientation to your story.
Again, I may have this all incorrect, but the map you provided confuses orientation to your story.
No that was definately the wrong map. Sorry folks....
Maybe this one will work
<http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=2111+N+Frontage+Rd+W,+Vail,+CO+81657+(Piney+River+Ranch)&geocode=13866726900185128878,39.632222,-106.415133&dirflg=&saddr=vail&f=d&hl=en&dq=piney+river+ranch&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.332616,80.419922&cid=39632222,-106415133,9914909016085775445&ie=UTF8&ll=39.68332,-106.401343&spn=0.002704,0.004908&t=h&z=18>
About 3 miles up Red sandstone road at the tight switchback, which I hope is shown above. The Snake is not listed on there, but i think the Indian would be on any map....both are shown on my personal map.
Piney River Ranch....I worked there for 3 1/2 years. Not too many locals Ride Vail Pass...too crowded. The Piney Valley is some of the best snowmobiling in the country....just my opinion though.
Maybe this one will work
<http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=2111+N+Frontage+Rd+W,+Vail,+CO+81657+(Piney+River+Ranch)&geocode=13866726900185128878,39.632222,-106.415133&dirflg=&saddr=vail&f=d&hl=en&dq=piney+river+ranch&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.332616,80.419922&cid=39632222,-106415133,9914909016085775445&ie=UTF8&ll=39.68332,-106.401343&spn=0.002704,0.004908&t=h&z=18>
About 3 miles up Red sandstone road at the tight switchback, which I hope is shown above. The Snake is not listed on there, but i think the Indian would be on any map....both are shown on my personal map.
Piney River Ranch....I worked there for 3 1/2 years. Not too many locals Ride Vail Pass...too crowded. The Piney Valley is some of the best snowmobiling in the country....just my opinion though.
Ughh. I dont think that one worked either. Sorry everyone, I am really not good with computers. So, google Piney River Ranch. Follow the map up Red Sandstone Road. Go up about 2 1/2 to 3 miles and you will clearly see a distinct switchback. The tracks I saw were about 100-125 before that switch back, going up the road to PRR.
I do think that there are at least 2 or 3 around this area (I think they travel from Leadville area to Holy Cross, all the way down to Gypsum and the Flat Tops). Here is a decent report from beefro.
http://bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1355
And according to other reports, they seem to use the Eagle/Colorado river as a highway. Makes sense. Food. Water. Leads to the Flattops. Beefro just had a class B report from 1986 up Grizzly Creek, which ends up at the Flattops.
I do think that there are at least 2 or 3 around this area (I think they travel from Leadville area to Holy Cross, all the way down to Gypsum and the Flat Tops). Here is a decent report from beefro.
http://bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1355
And according to other reports, they seem to use the Eagle/Colorado river as a highway. Makes sense. Food. Water. Leads to the Flattops. Beefro just had a class B report from 1986 up Grizzly Creek, which ends up at the Flattops.
hey giganto wow wonderful above replys regarding colorado sasquatch-primate activity indeed. bill
Thanks for clarifying. Cool. Still very near town - just 'across the street (I-70)'.
I've been up there several times in the summer. Lots of home building trying to get started. Can't tell you how many times I've looked at it from 'across the street' - on the slopes. Amazing that a sighting would be that close to 'downtown', but then again, it's not exactly Times Square, and several other sightings have been reported in or near much larger communitites.
I've been up there several times in the summer. Lots of home building trying to get started. Can't tell you how many times I've looked at it from 'across the street' - on the slopes. Amazing that a sighting would be that close to 'downtown', but then again, it's not exactly Times Square, and several other sightings have been reported in or near much larger communitites.
[Thanks for clarifying. Cool. Still very near town - just 'across the street (I-70)'.
I've been up there several times in the summer. Lots of home building trying to get started. Can't tell you how many times I've looked at it from 'across the street' - on the slopes. Amazing that a sighting would be that close to 'downtown', but then again, it's not exactly Times Square, and several other sightings have been reported in or near much larger communitites.]
Yes, about 3 miles from Vail. I thought the same thing as an after thought weeks later. The Eagle area sighting listed in the previous post also was only a few miles away as well. Something to keep in mind is how much land around Vail and the Eagle Valley. The White River National Forest encompasses over 2 million acres. Vail's population is usually less than 10,000...winter and summer numbers vary. Vail makes up one of literally hundreds in that area. Plus the tracks clearly were going uphill (a very steep slope) which would be going directly away from Vail.
You've seen the Gores from Vail before. Do you think those mountains look like they could be home to some Sas? I do. And Larry Lindsey thinks he got charged by a Grizzly just on the other side of the Gores. If a habitat is good for a Grizzly, its got to be pretty darn good for a Sas or two. (Grizzlies are suppose to be extinct in the state). I've seen a Wolverine about 5-6 miles up Red Sandstone Road. They are suppose to be extinct too, but I saw one. Plenty of moose too.
Any other sightings in Colorado that anyone knows of?
I've been up there several times in the summer. Lots of home building trying to get started. Can't tell you how many times I've looked at it from 'across the street' - on the slopes. Amazing that a sighting would be that close to 'downtown', but then again, it's not exactly Times Square, and several other sightings have been reported in or near much larger communitites.]
Yes, about 3 miles from Vail. I thought the same thing as an after thought weeks later. The Eagle area sighting listed in the previous post also was only a few miles away as well. Something to keep in mind is how much land around Vail and the Eagle Valley. The White River National Forest encompasses over 2 million acres. Vail's population is usually less than 10,000...winter and summer numbers vary. Vail makes up one of literally hundreds in that area. Plus the tracks clearly were going uphill (a very steep slope) which would be going directly away from Vail.
You've seen the Gores from Vail before. Do you think those mountains look like they could be home to some Sas? I do. And Larry Lindsey thinks he got charged by a Grizzly just on the other side of the Gores. If a habitat is good for a Grizzly, its got to be pretty darn good for a Sas or two. (Grizzlies are suppose to be extinct in the state). I've seen a Wolverine about 5-6 miles up Red Sandstone Road. They are suppose to be extinct too, but I saw one. Plenty of moose too.
Any other sightings in Colorado that anyone knows of?
Gigantopenusus; As it's been mentioned that the likelihood of encountering BF is better for an archer using a higher degree of stealth to approach game at closer range than most hunters using a rifle, and in particular in Colorado, one might want to check out a rather long collection of thoughts by a bowhunter named Keith Foster, whose writings have been consolidated by forum member Sojourner some time ago. It's long and kinda ramblin' but he has some perspectives that are informed by his experiences in bowhunting elk in some very remote areas of south central Colorado which I found very interesting. you might find it interesting, as well.
Here's a link to the excerpts Sojourner put together
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...hl=keith+foster
Here's a link to the excerpts Sojourner put together
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...hl=keith+foster
Thanks for the Bowhunter site. I've been trying to re-find that for months.
Also on Vail: remember that the F-16 that disappeard a few years ago in the Holy Cross Wilderness a few miles to the west of Vail has never been found. The woods are very deep there.
I have also heard of sightings of BF lurking on the Cordiella (sp?) and the back nine of the Eagle-Vail golf courses. Some of those holes are out in the woods. For that matter, same with the Sagamore Hotel golf course at Lake George, NY. Must be the hot dogs.
Also on Vail: remember that the F-16 that disappeard a few years ago in the Holy Cross Wilderness a few miles to the west of Vail has never been found. The woods are very deep there.
I have also heard of sightings of BF lurking on the Cordiella (sp?) and the back nine of the Eagle-Vail golf courses. Some of those holes are out in the woods. For that matter, same with the Sagamore Hotel golf course at Lake George, NY. Must be the hot dogs.
Thanks for the replies. I have read and re-read Foster's Bowsite book a few times. I actually emailed him years ago, but for Grizz, not Sas. Before I saw those tracks, I was (and still am!) very interested in Grizz in CO. I have tons of info on that, if anyone is interested. (FYI - there are a few roaming around still) KFoster sent me some photos of some tracks from down around the PP area. They looked almost exactly like mine. I will try and retrieve them sometime and post them here. Whatever happened to that guy?
Eagle-Vail Golf course????? Reminds me of this one -
http://bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=12802
There is also an Arrowhead Golf Course 2 miles west of Avon, so I guess there are 2 in the state.
My goodness, what the heck? EV?? Really?? I live there and hike Stone Creek 4 days a week in the summer. I have also "free-hiked" off trail in many areas around EV. There are plenty of deer and Elk there and in fact there are some Elk bedding on that very hillside closer to Avon right this moment. There are also several unapproved campsites where either messy teenages go to drink or homeless go to sleep. Not too many typical homeless around here, but plenty of people who camp to save a buck during the summer - mostly dirty raft guides! (Kidding folks, I did it for 3 months)
Cordillera? Maybe they have been mistaken for Kobi. I would buy that more than EV. Cordillera is actually up ther a ways (south of I-70). Takes about 25-30 minutes to drive to the top. And, it is very close to Fulford and Holy Cross Wilderness. Hope, that would not suprise me a bit.
Anyway you could elaborate just a bit on these 2 stories???? Thanks much.
When in the area, I have actually tried to keep my eyes open for that fighter jet that crashed into the New York Mountains back in the late 90's. No, I dont think they did find it. I would guess that the pilot B-lined it right into a steep mountain top and the debris trickled down in the valleys and crevices. I do know that Lake Creek trails both East and West were closed for a while with the military. So they never found that plane (and at least 2 other planes that have crashed in the last 30 years) and they never found that woman hiking up Holy Cross Mountain. Biggest search in CO history and they could not find her. One of my old guiding buddies was on the search and rescue teams. He said they even repelled down the South side of Holy Cross on a series of cliffs. That area is extremely remote. Plenty of people get lost up there, and I have no idea why. So, like you say, big country.
The Eagle-Vail golf course is still blowing me away. I'm going to go try and find those tracks Foster sent me....
Eagle-Vail Golf course????? Reminds me of this one -
http://bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=12802
There is also an Arrowhead Golf Course 2 miles west of Avon, so I guess there are 2 in the state.
My goodness, what the heck? EV?? Really?? I live there and hike Stone Creek 4 days a week in the summer. I have also "free-hiked" off trail in many areas around EV. There are plenty of deer and Elk there and in fact there are some Elk bedding on that very hillside closer to Avon right this moment. There are also several unapproved campsites where either messy teenages go to drink or homeless go to sleep. Not too many typical homeless around here, but plenty of people who camp to save a buck during the summer - mostly dirty raft guides! (Kidding folks, I did it for 3 months)
Cordillera? Maybe they have been mistaken for Kobi.
I would buy that more than EV. Cordillera is actually up ther a ways (south of I-70). Takes about 25-30 minutes to drive to the top. And, it is very close to Fulford and Holy Cross Wilderness. Hope, that would not suprise me a bit.Anyway you could elaborate just a bit on these 2 stories???? Thanks much.
When in the area, I have actually tried to keep my eyes open for that fighter jet that crashed into the New York Mountains back in the late 90's. No, I dont think they did find it. I would guess that the pilot B-lined it right into a steep mountain top and the debris trickled down in the valleys and crevices. I do know that Lake Creek trails both East and West were closed for a while with the military. So they never found that plane (and at least 2 other planes that have crashed in the last 30 years) and they never found that woman hiking up Holy Cross Mountain. Biggest search in CO history and they could not find her. One of my old guiding buddies was on the search and rescue teams. He said they even repelled down the South side of Holy Cross on a series of cliffs. That area is extremely remote. Plenty of people get lost up there, and I have no idea why. So, like you say, big country.
The Eagle-Vail golf course is still blowing me away. I'm going to go try and find those tracks Foster sent me....
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As I was told by a BF tracker: 'If its bear country then its BF country'. Thats a point well taken once you start some research on these things.
The sightings I had heard about at the Eagle Vail Golf Club took place around the 17th tee. While the EVGC course is part if a condo/house complex on the vally floor, some holes track somewhat more uphill toward the BC ski area and are in the woods.
http://www.eaglevailgolfclub.com/golf/prot...course_tour.htm
The course at the Sagamore is well above the lake and hotel (all on the western shore), and overlooks areas across the lake where there have been sightings. Some of these holes are in the woods as well. Several sightings on this side of lake as well. The NESRA team can probably recite the history better than I.
http://www.lakegeorge.com/ShowLink.cfm?BusinessID=670
http://www.eaglevailgolfclub.com/golf/prot...course_tour.htm
The course at the Sagamore is well above the lake and hotel (all on the western shore), and overlooks areas across the lake where there have been sightings. Some of these holes are in the woods as well. Several sightings on this side of lake as well. The NESRA team can probably recite the history better than I.
http://www.lakegeorge.com/ShowLink.cfm?BusinessID=670
Dogfoot - Thanks for the reply. I have played the Eagle-Vail course and you are correct. 17 goes up Stone Creek a bit. I really hate to be a bother but I sure would like to hear the whole story. When? Who? What did they see. If you would like to, PM me. Like I said, I hike that after work almost every other day in the summer. The very last time I hiked it last fall, I heard a hearty bugle from the south about 2-300 yards away. Yep, out of bounds skiing from BC and downhill biking in the summer. I just hike it. Oh, and once snowmobiled down it from Meadow Mountain on accident.
I just spoke with a young woman (and her boyfriend) who grew up around here and actually saw one this past December. Saw it for 2-3 minute from 300 yards near Yeoman Park (Fulford). Super cute girl. I am pretty darn sure she saw one. She is even an Elk hunter. I was gonna post it, but its a second hand account and no one likes those!
I just spoke with a young woman (and her boyfriend) who grew up around here and actually saw one this past December. Saw it for 2-3 minute from 300 yards near Yeoman Park (Fulford). Super cute girl. I am pretty darn sure she saw one. She is even an Elk hunter. I was gonna post it, but its a second hand account and no one likes those!
This is all 4th hand, so take it as such. The 17th tee is in the woods, and lies in a drainage ravine from the BC ski area. A group on the 17th tee heard rustling in the bush to the right of the tee (looking to the hole - uphill side). They entered / peered into the woods perhaps hoping to spot a deer. Saw something large and tall standing behind a tree ~50 feet away that was growling. Didn't bother to tee-off - hopped on the golf cart, left rubber and went straight to the parking lot. Didn't play the 18th hole.
At another time, similar episode on the 8th tee.
At another time, similar episode on the 8th tee.
Dogfoot - I live 2 blocks from the Eagle-Vail golf course now once again. Man I love Eagle-Vail. I go hit b*lls almost out of my back yard.
I heard of a 2nd hand story from a girl who was on the chairlift at Loveland 2 years ago. Saw a very large creature walk out in the open. Said it was redish-brown in color and got a good look. Also said that the 4 chairs behind her also saw it. She is extremely hesitant in talking much about it at all. She got a good enough look at it to be very scared. No other info on this one. And keep in mind it is just a second hand story. Interesting though.
I heard of a 2nd hand story from a girl who was on the chairlift at Loveland 2 years ago. Saw a very large creature walk out in the open. Said it was redish-brown in color and got a good look. Also said that the 4 chairs behind her also saw it. She is extremely hesitant in talking much about it at all. She got a good enough look at it to be very scared. No other info on this one. And keep in mind it is just a second hand story. Interesting though.
Dogfoot, do you know what month(s) the reports from the Eagle-Vail golf course occured in? I'm curious to know if it was late Spring, Summer or early Fall. I appreciate your help.
dougfoot - the one on the 17th in Eagle-Vail was (I believe) in spring time. In the winter time, those holes are a cross-country area. People walk their dogs (or just go for a walk, like me) on that course a lot. I walk up #1 to #18 and back down via 17.
Thanks COGrizzly, I appreciate the info. The reason I ask is that there was sighting on Meadow Mountain in the 70s and that's very close to Stone Creek. I don't have any specifics about the sighting, just that it was Meadow Mountain, which is accessed by trail from Hwy 24 near Dowd's Jct. Meadow Mountain was an old ski/tubing area and was evidently used by it's original owner to grow lettuce of all things. Slightly to the south, Grouse Mountain is a summer elk concentration area and the whole corridor from Dowd's Jct thru Eagle bordering the Eagle River's south bank is a winter elk concentration area. Anyway, I thought you might be interested.
dougfoot - Thanks a ton for the info. I live in Eagle-Vail. I know StoneCreek drainage, Meadow Mountain and south of there quite well. Meadow Mountain Ski area was bought by Vail Associates (now Resorts and is publicly traded) in the mid to late 70's. The original intent of the founders of Vail, Pete Seibert and Earl Eaton, was to have a Gondola connecting Beaver Creek and Vail, and having Meadow Mountain be part of that. I snowmobile every last part of Meadow Mountain and know it VERY well. One time, we even snowmobiled down into the drainage just east of Stone Creek on a very cold and kinda scary night. We've also boondocked (going through untracked snow in the thick trees) from the top of Meadow Mountain to the "Bald Spot" of Beaver Creek. Those are some extremely tight trees. Skiers and snowboarders (including me) hike from BC to that bald spot. They are quite shocked to see snowmobilers there.
Before Vail, Lettuce and Sheep herding was the staple of the Eagle County economy, along with the railroad and Gilman mine.
Too bad you don't have even a little more info on MM sighting. Cool nontheless.
I know of a report from a girl who saw one on a Loveland Ski area lift a couple years back. Still trying to get details.
A good friend of mine took a 6 by at the base of Grouse last year. Great Elk habitat.
Before Vail, Lettuce and Sheep herding was the staple of the Eagle County economy, along with the railroad and Gilman mine.
Too bad you don't have even a little more info on MM sighting. Cool nontheless.
I know of a report from a girl who saw one on a Loveland Ski area lift a couple years back. Still trying to get details.
A good friend of mine took a 6 by at the base of Grouse last year. Great Elk habitat.
COGrizzly - I too wish I had more info about the Meadow Mountain sighting. The person that told me sent it in a PM and now I can't contact them because they dropped off the BFRO board.
I use the Natural Diversity Information Source (NDIS) to look at animal habitat info, including elk migration routes, concentration areas, etc. It's a great tool in addition to Google Earth for BF research. Too bad they don't have BF habitat info on the NDIS!
Since we're both in Colorado, we should get together for a small expedition or at least to talk about our findings and theories.
I use the Natural Diversity Information Source (NDIS) to look at animal habitat info, including elk migration routes, concentration areas, etc. It's a great tool in addition to Google Earth for BF research. Too bad they don't have BF habitat info on the NDIS!
Since we're both in Colorado, we should get together for a small expedition or at least to talk about our findings and theories.
QUOTE(Dogfoot @ Mar 13 2008, 11:18 AM)
This is all 4th hand, so take it as such. The 17th tee is in the woods, and lies in a drainage ravine from the BC ski area. A group on the 17th tee heard rustling in the bush to the right of the tee (looking to the hole - uphill side). They entered / peered into the woods perhaps hoping to spot a deer. Saw something large and tall standing behind a tree ~50 feet away that was growling. Didn't bother to tee-off - hopped on the golf cart, left rubber and went straight to the parking lot. Didn't play the 18th hole.
At another time, similar episode on the 8th tee.
At another time, similar episode on the 8th tee.
Just what I thought, Bigfoot sneaks on golf courses, steals b*lls and then hauls ass. Just to watch the reaction --- the golf cart
nascar escapades that follow. Sounds like a job for Bill Murray
COGrizzly - For some reason, I can't respond to your PM. I sent an email to the board admin, but haven't heard anything back yet.
Check out this sighting from a football game in Fort Collins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXKVTEeleE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXKVTEeleE
hey everyone gm wow.... there is alot above update replys regarding colorado sasquatch creatures. keep them comeing indeed. thanks bill 
QUOTE(bigfoot9 @ Nov 27 2008, 03:02 PM)
Check out this sighting from a football game in Fort Collins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXKVTEeleE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXKVTEeleE
Love the white Nike's he stole off a Ram's fan!!!!
QUOTE(bipedalist @ Nov 29 2008, 08:46 AM)
Love the white Nike's he stole off a Ram's fan!!!!
And that Rams' fan must have had big Fee.......ahhh, I just can't do it.
I bet that you could have an encounter or two in Eagle-Vail. Meadow Mountain has some historic sinifigance to BF and is just around the corner. From I-70/Hwy6 and 24? it rises up Southish into the Holy cross wilderness. As I have heard there have been lots of sightings up in that area.
This time of year Beaver Creek is pretty crowded with the other two legged types, IE people. but anything around there could offer potential.
I have noticed though that right now with all of the odd snow fall that we have had and the wind that the avalanche danger is really high. All of the snow capped peaks and ridges around my home are crested and looking very dangerous.
I would imagine that if there is still access to The meadow that the old ski runs are still wide open paths in the forest, and I know for a fact that atleast one has been seen there though maybe it was around 30 plus years ago. Meadow Mountain was developed as a small ski mountain at about the same time that they were starting Vail, though it was not affiliated. Over the years there have been lifts and a ski lodge there that have since been removed. The Forest Service has built a office there and it was a famous sledding hill for awhile, maybe still. Oh yeah and it backs into Beaver Creek.
Have'nt been up there in years.
This time of year Beaver Creek is pretty crowded with the other two legged types, IE people. but anything around there could offer potential.
I have noticed though that right now with all of the odd snow fall that we have had and the wind that the avalanche danger is really high. All of the snow capped peaks and ridges around my home are crested and looking very dangerous.
I would imagine that if there is still access to The meadow that the old ski runs are still wide open paths in the forest, and I know for a fact that atleast one has been seen there though maybe it was around 30 plus years ago. Meadow Mountain was developed as a small ski mountain at about the same time that they were starting Vail, though it was not affiliated. Over the years there have been lifts and a ski lodge there that have since been removed. The Forest Service has built a office there and it was a famous sledding hill for awhile, maybe still. Oh yeah and it backs into Beaver Creek.
Have'nt been up there in years.
Is Meadow Mt that little ski area that is next to the Ranger Station in Minturn just off the Interstate??
QUOTE(Dogfoot @ Feb 21 2009, 09:15 AM)
Is Meadow Mt that little ski area that is next to the Ranger Station in Minturn just off the Interstate??
Used to be a ski area.Yes.
Cool. Then the Eagle-Vail golf course is just on the other side of it - more or less. I posted above somewhere about an encounter on one of the final tees.
QUOTE(Dogfoot @ Feb 26 2009, 01:00 PM)
Cool. Then the Eagle-Vail golf course is just on the other side of it - more or less. I posted above somewhere about an encounter on one of the final tees.
Pretty much Dogfoot, pretty much. There is one drainage in between. I am one block away from Tee #1. In the winter, Tee #1 and #18 are cross country ski areas. We walk up #1, then up #18 every single night. Last weekend, at night, I took the 125M all the way up Paulies Plunge (Stone Creek drainage...same drainage as the golf course). It was an absolute HOOT! We also use that same trail for sledding. It's like a completely natural sled louge (sp). We can go just as fast as the skiers coming down! A mountain lion was spotted in Eagle Vail 3 days ago....probably the same one spotted in Bachelor Gulch.
Isnt colorado too well visited to hide a population of primates?
QUOTE(blue bear @ Feb 27 2009, 10:45 PM)
Isnt colorado too well visited to hide a population of primates?
blue bear
My family has lived in colorado since 1848 so we have seen some changes over the years. At first glance it looks like the state has turned into one big housing development but that is just along the front range, there are still many square miles of pure wilderness in the western half.
NS a coloradoan since 1942
Hi
I'll never forget Flying from Colorado to Boston back in my Army days, I always got a window seat, I was just awestruck at the size of the forest and mountains that are out there,
Peace
Tim
I'll never forget Flying from Colorado to Boston back in my Army days, I always got a window seat, I was just awestruck at the size of the forest and mountains that are out there,
Peace
Tim
blue bear - there is a ton of undiscovered territory in CO. In fact, I have walked on glaciers that were not suppose to be there....
Colorado has tons of open space. Take the Flattops wilderness area. The Gore Range from I-70 North. The Sawatch Range from I-70 south. You can look any of them up on the internet and see some awe inpiring pictures. You can look at a map of Colorado and see that these are vast expanses of Nature. and they are just a few.
However you remind me of my Mom with that question. And this is how I USED to answer her until a couple of weeks ago.
They are primarily Nocturnal animals. They do not use common paths. It is my belief that you could walk up to within feet of one and Not see it, unless it wanted you to.
To which she always used to and still does ask..... What do they eat? And I answer "What ever they want to eat"
I say used to because a couple of weeks ago she saw what looked like two long legged gorillas standing just off of the road. And believe me I asked for details.... and other than one had its arm reached out and they were black she said nothing more. It took her two weeks to admit that it could really have been what she thought and not shadows or a tree. Because shadows do not reflect light and trees do not get up and walk away.
And it snowed and rained and snowed before I could get to the location to see if there were prints.
My whole point of telling anyone this here out in the public is that to look on the map the drainage or ravines that come together 'skirt' to the south of a pretty populated gated community and to the north of a very well used public land area. However if you know the area a little bit you can see that a heard of 100 elephants could tromp through trumpeting and not be seen or heard......
Even in populated areas there are those places that people just do not go, do not look, and will not take the time to inspect.
If you couple that with the fact that Biggies are pretty stealthy then YES! you could have a sizable population in a number of areas that no one would dream of.
However you remind me of my Mom with that question. And this is how I USED to answer her until a couple of weeks ago.
They are primarily Nocturnal animals. They do not use common paths. It is my belief that you could walk up to within feet of one and Not see it, unless it wanted you to.
To which she always used to and still does ask..... What do they eat? And I answer "What ever they want to eat"
I say used to because a couple of weeks ago she saw what looked like two long legged gorillas standing just off of the road. And believe me I asked for details.... and other than one had its arm reached out and they were black she said nothing more. It took her two weeks to admit that it could really have been what she thought and not shadows or a tree. Because shadows do not reflect light and trees do not get up and walk away.
And it snowed and rained and snowed before I could get to the location to see if there were prints.
My whole point of telling anyone this here out in the public is that to look on the map the drainage or ravines that come together 'skirt' to the south of a pretty populated gated community and to the north of a very well used public land area. However if you know the area a little bit you can see that a heard of 100 elephants could tromp through trumpeting and not be seen or heard......
Even in populated areas there are those places that people just do not go, do not look, and will not take the time to inspect.
If you couple that with the fact that Biggies are pretty stealthy then YES! you could have a sizable population in a number of areas that no one would dream of.
Here are pics of the tracks I found in Dec 06, approximately 100m south of Petti's tracks:
About a 38-42" stride, hill was rather steep, no way a snowshoer could have made them without evidence of the shoe sliding forward with slope.
This area is the reverse slope of Pikes Peak. I'd like to rent one of the remote lodges at the Mennonite Camp for call blasting. http://rmmc.org/
Anybody up for a weekend mini-expedition?
About a 38-42" stride, hill was rather steep, no way a snowshoer could have made them without evidence of the shoe sliding forward with slope.
This area is the reverse slope of Pikes Peak. I'd like to rent one of the remote lodges at the Mennonite Camp for call blasting. http://rmmc.org/
Anybody up for a weekend mini-expedition?
And I believe that the USAF has never found the F-16 (?) that crashed W of the Holy Cross wilderness a few years ago.
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