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Randy_Hutchings
The "Bigfoot Decoy" topic recently posted got me to thinking about a discussion that was had, well, must've been a couple or three years ago now on another board...

Has anyone heard or ever considered using one of those reasonably priced (now adays atleast) Baby simulation dolls that high school girls often use at present in adult living classes?...
These dolls are programed to cry out ever so often and continue crying if they've not been "fed" (via a magnetic bottle of sorts that registers with the doll)...
I'm sure we've all heard the countless stories of this person or that claiming that Bigfoot were seemingly attracted to their children's noises (playing, laughing, crying and so forth)...If one could aquire such a doll and place it in an area of activity nearby some amount of camera/video equipment (or in a pro-kill situation, a hunter concealed nearby in a tree stand), I personally believe this MIGHT lead one of these creatures in...

Better yet, if someone could aquire one of the newer "crack babies" that some schools use (to show highschool girls the effects of drug abuse during pregnancy on the baby), this may work even better, being as the baby cried almost continuously...

Hmmm...Either or, something to consider possibly?...

Looking forward to Your opinions...
JayleeD
Randy, that sounds like a hum-dinger of an idea to me. I've also read many reports that these animals are attracted to children. Maybe they would be so intent on the doll that they wouldn't see the hidden figure until they heard clickie clickie. smile.gif
chronic
Unless the doll is placed where the Sasquatch can easily see it, I'd guess a tape of an actual crying baby, hidden in the brush, would be a better bait than a fake baby with a fake cry.
Fishbone35
QUOTE(Randy_Hutchings @ Oct 10 2003, 04:27 PM)
Better yet, if someone could aquire one of the newer "crack babies" that some schools use (to show highschool girls the effects of drug abuse during pregnancy on the baby), this may work even better, being as the baby cried almost continuously...

That might work too well. You'd hate to see poor baby getting smacked upside a tree several times. laugh.gif

Seriously, that does sound like a decent idea that could very well work. Especially if it's one of those babies that squirm around as well.
Redwolf
I always liked this idea. I wonder if just placing a tape of a baby crying within a cheap baby doll might not be more cost efficient. Those school dolls and some of the moveable baby dolls are pretty expensive to be destroyed by a large primate or chewed up by another predator.

I might also leave some sort of note in area, lest we have a search and rescue team scouring the woods for an abandoned baby heard by kind hearted hunters, hikers or all around outdoor enthusiast.

wow that is a really long sentence, but you get my drift.

Kathy H
Susan
Yea, I agree with Redwolf. You'd hate to freak some hunters out or lead people to the site unknowingly (they'd scare any sas away) It's a great idea though!

We have a baby doll that we bought my son when we were expecting his little sister (he hardly ever touched it, could care less). My daughter plays with it a LOT now and it's very realistic, looks like a real baby. In fact when she was born, I laid her on the bed next to the doll and she was exactly the same size! The only difference was the head on the doll was larger than a real baby's. (wish I'd taken a picture of the two of them side-by-side for her scrapbook!! icon_bang.gif Oh well, hind-sight's 20/20!!!)
Hairy Man
Actually, I have worked with several people who had "reported" sasquatch activity on their property and we tried the baby doll approach. It didn't work at all. In fact, in both incidences, sasquatch activity decreased after the dolls were placed and never resumed to the previous levels of activity. I always had the impression that the sasquatch thought less of the humans for leaving their child out to be examined. I don't know why I think that, that was just my impression.

I do have a cd of a baby crying for three hours (not my child...I only torture other people's children). I haven't used it yet, but I know people who have, to mixed results.
COCO B
"I always had the impression that the sasquatch thought less of the humans for leaving their child out to be examined."

I have had this impression as well but in overall survival skills. From reports and other sources I get the feeling that sasquatch laughs at us when we are in the woods. The kicker is why? How do they understand when they intimidate us and when we can be a threat?

I have always wondered if a human could match a sasquatch out in the woods. If a human could track a sasquatch and shadow him the way they do us.

As long as were talking bait, what about all the reports of bigfoot stealing chickens, livestock and meat from back porch freezers. If you could put a small transmitter of some sort on a bunch of chickens, if bigfoot took the bait you might be able to track him for awhile. Also if bigfoot is accustomed to seeing you handle the chickens/meat he may not suspect anything out of the ordinary. The transmitter would have to be "chew-proof" though.

Just an idea.
Redwolf
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Oct 11 2003, 10:32 AM)
Actually, I have worked with several people who had "reported" sasquatch activity on their property and we tried the baby doll approach.  It didn't work at all.  In fact, in both incidences, sasquatch activity decreased after the dolls were placed and never resumed to the previous levels of activity.  I always had the impression that the sasquatch thought less of the humans for leaving their child out to be examined.  I don't know why I think that, that was just my impression.

I do have a cd of a baby crying for three hours (not my child...I only torture other people's children).  I haven't used it yet, but I know people who have, to mixed results.


Well, that's good to know Kathy thank you! I have heard of people using the recording of crying infants, no results in those cases.

I wonder if happy laughing children sounds would make them curious?

Kathy, You have a three hour recording of a crying infant? Three hours straight? OMG that poor mother!!! laugh.gif



Coco, I have heard of peopel trying to set up trigger cams in freezers on their property, I think Thom Powell discussed this at the Hillsboro Conference. The transmitter idea is interesting.

Kathy H
LittleBigfoot
What about using a real crack baby?
Teresa
QUOTE(chronic @ Oct 10 2003, 05:17 PM) *
Unless the doll is placed where the Sasquatch can easily see it, I'd guess a tape of an actual crying baby, hidden in the brush, would be a better bait than a fake baby with a fake cry.


A real baby hidden in the brush? Could you guarantee you could get to that baby before a coyote or bear or other predator? That sounds pretty risky to me. :ohmy:
Bushman
About 30 years ago a friend and I may have had a sasquatch fooled with duck decoys while hunting on a remote lake in British Columbia's interior.

I have often wondered if a person might be able to fool an older, mature sasquatch with a well-constructed decoy of an infant sasquatch...say perhaps trapped under a tree and in obvious distress?

Would something like this play on sasquatch's possible strong maternal, paternal instincts?

Bushman
JayleeD
QUOTE(ARsquatch @ Jun 15 2006, 06:15 AM) *
QUOTE(chronic @ Oct 10 2003, 05:17 PM) *

Unless the doll is placed where the Sasquatch can easily see it, I'd guess a tape of an actual crying baby, hidden in the brush, would be a better bait than a fake baby with a fake cry.


A real baby hidden in the brush? Could you guarantee you could get to that baby before a coyote or bear or other predator? That sounds pretty risky to me. :ohmy:






:wink:
sailgirl
Hey....you know that is a great idea!!!! I can't believe we never brought that up yet....or has it been mentioned? I don't recall hearing that before.....maybe a recording of a real crying baby with a life-like doll......that way the recording could contain muliple versions of crying types.....fussing type....wailing type....and some ear shattering screaming!!!!! :new_lmaosmiley: If the sasquatch can't hear that then nothing will!!! One could make sure the doll has lots of human scent on it, so it smells real.....maybe wrapped in a used baby blanket with "baby scent" might also make it seem more real. Okay....now someone with access to a known recent activity area that has not had any luck with actual visual encounters only sounds, wood knocking and such needs to try this to lure the big guy or gal to come close. Maybe even just a game came or two located around the infant doll and a person up in a tree or tree stand in camoflauge hiding with video camera fixed on doll location........WOW this could really work guys!!!!!
Sunflower
Sailgirl,

I made a similar suggestion about the baby doll and no one here responded positively, so I guess it was not a good idea? I don't know. The difference in my suggestion was to put a tiny cam inside the baby doll to be able to see what reactions were recorded from a sasquatch picking it up and carrying it off. Also, some sort of radio transmitter to track it, the kind they use for collars on wild animals. If I knew how to do this and had a suspicious area to examine for signs, I honestly think it might be worth the effort. Hell, every other baiting activity has obviously been a failure (not one clear photo from all the trail cams out there) so my money and time might just capture something. I probably wouldn't leave it on the ground though, I'd try higher up in the trees so other critters couldn't reach it. I, personally, still like this idea so any other suggestions to improve would be welcome. Maybe my husband would help me, I don't know? Of course, the baby doll and all its components might be lost, so that could be a deterrent to those here. I know they can be expensive but what the heck, nothing else is capturing what we all want to see.

Sunflower
califb
The doll would have to smell like a real baby as well. Hmmmmm.... There has to be some way to make a fake doll smell like a real baby... ph34r.gif
watch1
I think some of the negatives to this idea would be that it might give a BF the idea to snatch a real baby. I for one would not want to know that my actions my have had anything to do with a real baby being taken.

Because of this I think it might be seen as flirting with danger.

I would suggest the playing of a fawn in distress. I got some real action by something real big running through the woods and brush while trying to call in some coyotes one afternoon. I never did see what it was coming in to check out the call, but it was no coyote. It sounded like a big Bull coming through the woods at high speed.

Just my point of view on the use of anything concerning the use of baby sounds, decoy or anything concerned with the use of a human baby as bait for getting a Bigfoot to come in close.

Bad idea.

Mike (watch1)
NWSquatcher
QUOTE(sailgirl @ Jun 15 2006, 06:57 AM) *
Hey....you know that is a great idea!!!! I can't believe we never brought that up yet....or has it been mentioned? I don't recall hearing that before.....maybe a recording of a real crying baby with a life-like doll......that way the recording could contain muliple versions of crying types.....fussing type....wailing type....and some ear shattering screaming!!!!! :new_lmaosmiley: If the sasquatch can't hear that then nothing will!!! One could make sure the doll has lots of human scent on it, so it smells real.....maybe wrapped in a used baby blanket with "baby scent" might also make it seem more real. Okay....now someone with access to a known recent activity area that has not had any luck with actual visual encounters only sounds, wood knocking and such needs to try this to lure the big guy or gal to come close. Maybe even just a game came or two located around the infant doll and a person up in a tree or tree stand in camoflauge hiding with video camera fixed on doll location........WOW this could really work guys!!!!!


I would personally rethink using any form of sound that would call in predators, besides the danger to yourself (humans), you are also put in the position of (if you are armed) to kill an animal that you called in with your bait, predators especially look for the young and weak. Perhaps this would work in an area of the US that does not have "Bears, Wolves, Large Cats, Pack Coyotes, Wild Dogs, etc, etc.,) You may get more than you bargained for as well as an explanation to Wildlife officials as to why and how you had to kill in order to defend yourself against something you inadvertantly called in. I also agree with others who have posted here about causing a search and rescue issue, as well as putting those people in danger (and wasting their time and expenses). Has bait been successful in the past?????????
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