I found a version of the Gable film on YouTube that was entitled "Chow dog" and went ahead applying that explanation, adding my own music to take out the subliminal effects on my emotional response. Try it and see if it works for you:

Ok. First go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v37srLqgKVI...feature=related
Scares the poop outta ya', right? The music helps. Especially right around 2 minutes into the film and afterwards.

Then go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJeXkuVh7Hg
Not getting any better for ya'? That's a little boy in that reflection!!

Alright, now go back to the Gable film, open a new browser window and go here and check out the sideways scooting and the low to ground body of the adult and look at this side by side with the Gable film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtTQH5sY1Wk...feature=related

...and this one for more body shape and head shape examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agK2lgpmHCQ...feature=related

Maybe look around for more video of Chows moving. It's worth the effort to put this idea to rest one way or the other. I mean it worked for me. I think I watched like 20 or so videos on YouTube of different Chows.

Then, as the final component to this concept I'm trying to share, on yet another bowser window go to this web address and let this play as background music. It's loud enough to cover up most of the creepy stuff they used on this particular version of the Gable film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifdgrfr0Bkk
...or something else you like that's upbeat and a little funny.

See what I'm seeing?

Then consider a few things:

I'm assuming that the boy is a passenger in the vehicle he is exiting at the beginning of the clip. First, if you see something scary, do you get out of the car? Next, does your dad/mom let you get out of the car? And while this supposed "monster" is charging, does dad/mom just sit there and watch? Play the beginning over and over. Notice that the "creature" is actually pretty close to the vehicle at this point? To my mind, this is the family dog being collected by dad and Jr. and he's giving them a bit of trouble about coming over to the truck so they can take him home. I think this is "bad dog" footage, not "dogman" footage.

If the little boy was about to be attacked, why didn't he run? Oh, you say, he did... the camera jostles and everything. But check out the jostle -- once the camera rights itself again, the scene is the same scene as before the jostle AND if he had turned to run, the animal would've been biting at his back, not his face. My conclusion? The boy never moved and waited for the animal. Thus, he knew what was running at him. The jostle could even be explained as the movement caused by the boy slapping his hand on his thigh to encourage the dog to come to him. I think what we are seeing is a boy filming his Chow Chow running up to him and PLAYFULLY jumping up on him and mouthing the camera in an attempt to lick his face or something. Scary results but I think explainable nonetheless.

Also, if a LITTLE BOY had been viciously attacked and he had the kind of parents who cared enough about him to get him a camera (those weren't cheap back in the day) they would've made a report AND there would've been a big hunt of this animal because any police officer seeing this film evidence would've called in the National Guard! And if he hadn't, there would have been a furor in the media with all the neighborhood parents throwing a total fit!! No such report can be found. And nothing hit the media about a little boy being mauled by an unknown cryptid! That's why this film lay forgotten in a box to be found by someone who bought a bunch of crap at an estate sale: The film just shows a dog running up and jumping on his owner.

For me, it's case closed. What do you think?

Doesn't look like no dog to me. I'm skeptical to your conclusions simply because my gut is telling me that is not what's going on there.

Could be a baboon in a wildlife park.. something about how spread the shoulders are and where the front legs bend seems to say "not a chow" at the beginning, though it does look very chowlike from the midpoint on.

I have no idea what it is... The thing that causes to doubt that it is a dog, is the way the limbs are set to the side of the body, not under it like a dogs. Also, the "arms" appear to be very muscled and thick, unlike a dog as well. It could be that this is a dog, but I cannot see it from the film. I think we have to chalk it up as just another interesting unknown for now.

very new thread about the dogman pheanomena. good afternoon. bill

Flashman posted his comments while I was working on mine, but I agree with him. At times it looks like a baboon and at others a chow... Not really sure what to make of it.

its a chow with bushy legs, its so heavily furred that in the right light, it looks very like a gorilla.




i thought the people over at cryptomundo exposed this as a hoax sometime last year?

I've actually changed my mind! I did some more looking around and found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQkANMdYHxo

I don't know why I didn't hit on this before! I used to have a border collie and it would do to me EXACTLY what's in the video, ie, staring down its "prey" with the famous "collie eye", the stalking, the scooting type movements, being low to the ground when it started to run toward me. And the mouth that "mauls" the cameraman has the coloration of a black dog -- most borders have a predominately black head. Yup, I've decided it's case of a border collie play-stalking his owner.

From looking at certain, grainy BF footage, I think we could all agree that figures, especially at distance, can appear to morph. I agree with the analysis here. I see no shape shifter... probably just a regular old dog.

It just looks like a gorilla? Nothing to strange about that? Maybe im missing something?

Did you take a look at the footage I provided of the border collie and how they move?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQkANMdYHxo

I think it is identical -- the scooting, the stalking, the way they run close to the ground -- to the Gable subject.

Also, look at a gorilla:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDxA8-01cp4

See how they move with stiff arms, and their torsos very erect, even when they are charging? The Gable subject is definitely not a gorilla.

Do we know if there was anything filmed after the alleged attack? Seems to me that if there are "normal" scenes after this episode (or film of a definite chow/collie) then the dog theory would be the most likely. However, if there is unused film still on the reel, and the "attack" is the last thing on the film, that might lend credence to something other than a dog, whether some sort of ape, unknown creature, or something normal. Notice I said might, there is no way to tell from the film itself whether there was an attack or if it was just play. Not ruling out the possibility of a dog, I just can't deduce from the film that it is one for certain.

Also, was the family that took this footage ever located and questioned about the incident (I am guessing not)?

I don't know the answers to your other questions but it seems the family was never found BUT someone did some checking -- using the footages development date -- and no child was reported mauled by an unknown species of animal. Doesn't that kind of suggest an innocuous event is taking place on the footage? I mean, if a young boy was attacked by a "dogman", wouldn't there have been some record, at least in the newspapers, of a major hunt for the thing? How does something like that supposedly happen without ANY public record? And yes, the other portions of the footage placed the film in the area where the film was purchased.

One would certainly think so. But once the government stepped in and bought everybody off, no news was going to get out at all....Just Kidding!!!!!!! If something like that happened, I would think that there would be a lot of press, unless it was chalked up to something like a bear attack or similar "natural" occurrance. But yes, there should be some record of it somewhere regardless of what happened. Only if the family did not report it at all, would there have been no record of it...and I cannot see that happening.

By the way, does "Gable" refer to the family involved or to the community where it happened?

Y'know, the more I look into this, the more and more I'm thinking its merely a clever hoax, no mistaking for a chow involved. I've watched the film dozens of times, and the whole thing just smells too good to be true.

i heard there was an evidence tag attached to the film that had "gable case" written on it and a michigan police case number so yea, there is/should be a record of it somewhere

http://www.michigan-dogman.com/encounters-2007-2.html


some photos taken from a trailcam in antrim county. pretty creepy stuff.

Whats weird is how the first couple time you see the animal, its running with back legs, forward legs motion, with the front legs being really short - gorilla. Then when it cuts to the staredown, it looks like a gorilla or dog sitting on its butt. When it charges it goes into a 4 legs off the ground run, like a bull. The camera man is definitly running as the camera points down and shows his leg moving, and it shows a tree ahead of him as he gets closer. Theres a couple odd frames of teeth, reminescent of dogs fangs, which could be from the dog going for the camera First. Often what my dog does is go for what I'm holding, very much like this film.

So, a couple things similar to tame dogs.

Sitting in the beginning shaking its head at camera.

Dog in the beginning of film.

Running

Fast movement, zig zagging,

Camera mans willing ness to go after it.

Films uselessness.

The only thing thats really awkward, why the filming the dog run away? It could be the persons yard.
Why the all 4 legs off the ground motion? Maybe there was a small hill there he simply jumped off of, as the dog started on a hill.

Why is the animal so fat, but can run so fast?

Oh, and just throwing it out there, a dog in a blanket or fur blanket is very simliar. The way the skins shakes and moves so much.

Yeah, I've seen that too. Out of all of them, though, to me this one screams fake. I'm sure I could take similar pictures with my dog, make up a story like that, and BAM! Instant dog man.

well as soon as someone identifies the mouth/teeth on the camera, i think we can put this one to bed, at least as far as what kind of animal were dealing with. (i still think its a big fluffy chow)

as for who filmed it and if someone died filming it, id like very much to know.

Yup. I used to have chows when I was younger, and both the Gable film and especially those pictures look like nothing else.

Yeah and the dog is looking down, as if a human is enticing him to look somewhere. But the skinned arm part looks like a human with dog arms, and the eyes are human, so it could just a human in a costume.

Isn't the skinned arm supposed to be a deer leg?

Been discussed in depth before,
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=20316

Thanks for the link. Did you ever get any legal action taken against you?

No, nothing happened, and by the looks of how many copies are on youtube he didn't have much chance of a lawsuit.

OK, I'm gonna put in my two cents worth. Like many of you, I've spent quite alot of time watching this movie and my opinion keeps going back and forth, but I have to say, I've decided its the real deal. These are my reasons why so you can consider them for yourself.
#1. Remember, this is supposed to be the Michigan Dogman and not a Sasquatch. While there seems to be seem debate on whether they are different animals, with a little reading, you will see they are completely different phenomena. So we are looking for a human/primate/dog like creature. Keep this in mind while watching the films.
#2. Many, many witnesses have seen the Dogman for hundreds of years and several recent witnesses have been polygraphed and been found to be telling the truth, including 3 teenagers that saw three or four Dogmen up close in a creek bed. Also 4 college students had a close encouter as well and testified that it could run (while chasing their car) on two feet at 35MPH and up to 45-50MPH on all fours, they also passed the polygraph.
#3. I can see how some people would see it a a bulky, possibly a chow, breed of dog. I think that the films shows it to be quite large and I would guess (my opinion only) that this thing was at least 200lbs, not alot of chows get that big.
#4. Some people think that they see a human like foot just before it starts its charge. I think this is a combination of the shadow on its back leg and ot the tail, which is clearly visible as its charging.
#5. Body language, I would agree that the body language is very much like the border collie mentioned above. This should NOT be mistaken for a "playfull" behavior. I've also had Border Collies and many "working dogs" as I was raised on cattle and sheep ranches. While a dog can act like that during play, it is a basic instinct and behavior that stems from their roots as predators and the body language during the charge is very intentional, directed, threatening, and is exactly the way you will see wolves attack in the wild.
#6. The real biggy that dismisses this as a dog. When the thing attacks the camera, still frame it and look at the cuspid teeth. Canine cuspid teeth are long, smooth, solid, with a slight curve to the rear, for biting, then puncturing, and then holding onto pray while the rest of the pack attacks and does the same thing to render the pray immobile. The teeth in the frame, are somewhat similar and pronounced, however they have a step or stagger in them, which is NOT consistent with a dogs tooth. If you have a dog, look at this for yourself. Another thing that was mentioned was the blackness of the inside of the mouth. Many dogs have dark colored mouths, in fact this is the first thing I look for when getting a dog, some people say it indicates intelligence, but its quite common. We must also consider the poor lighting in the mouth contributing to this.
#7. As for a young boy being afraid of getting out of the truck. Assuming it is a young boy and that the camera wasn't handed to an adult, who then approached this thing, I know for a fact that when I was younger I was fearless, especially if I saw something cool like an unknown Dogman creature, I would have had no problem with chasing it, and then I would have gotten a beating from my old man. Some kids, especially those that are raised around animals, which is evident in the film, can easily have curiosity override prudent judgement, like making a giant paper-airplane and launching off of the barn, I only did it once.
#8. Something else to consider, I know when I was younger, the kids always had to ride in the middle of the pick up "on the hump", because its very uncomfortable for adults to sit there. The cameraman gets out very easily. If more than two people were in the truck, and the kid had the camera in the middle seat, he would have to scoot a couple of times or even manuver around the gear shift (Unless the truck was an automatic). He could have been by the door also, its just speculation. Most people I know would have gotten out to film it, not expecting an attack, as most animals, even bears and mountain lions will run away when chased, unless they were hunting you to start with.

Well these are my thoughts. I think its real, I hope nobody got hurt when this happened and if it did, I doubt they would have come out and said anything, especially back then in small communities. Isn't that the biggest problem we have in Bigfoot research, people afraid of ridicule and being teased or discrimination by small communities for suggesting that the social norm is a lie? What do you guys think? I for one, have no desire to find the Dogman, he sounds mean, dangerous and evil. Unlike Sasquatch, I would like nothing more than to put a bullet in the Dogmans head. If you do more reading on this subject, you will likely agree.

The Dogman phenomenon has been discussed a number of times on the Forum. You can use the 'Search' function at the above right side of the banner at the top of the page to locate other references. Here is a starter:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...ic=631&st=0

As already pointed out, Wisconsin and Michigan seem to have their versions of the Beast of Bray Road, Loup Garou, werewolf, dogman, dogsquatch, etc., and there are lots of other references, including those dog soldier tales of Native Americans. Quebec and Upper State New York have supposedly also had recent sightings.

However, of particular historical interest not discussed here before (I don't think) is the series of Dogman stories written by the Roman statesman and author, Pliny the Younger (b.62AD, d.113AD), in his extensive book, Romance of the Life of Alexander The Great. There he recounts a couple of Alexander's less than favorable dealings with the Dogmen in Macedonia (or Macedon, formerly a region divided among Greece, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria). Since Alexander lived a very short life (b.356BC, d.323BC) of 33 years we can assume that the purported dogman references go back at least as far as the 4th Century BC. Apparently there may even be references to Dogmen in the Old Testament, the Toran and the Talmud, which I haven't personally investigated, only heard about through an historical lecturer.
Dudlow

P.S. I just love the dogman stories and always look forward to reading about any new reports and encounters that come along. There is a website you can Google, The Beast of LBL (short for Land Between the Lakes - in Kentucky, if memory serves me), that contains a couple of really hair-raising Dogman stories from the mid-1970s and early 1980s in which folks have purportedly been torn to pieces in a murderous rage by the supposed Dogman. Enjoy.

Been a while since I read the LBL stories (of which there was considerable debate as to their reality), but I think they were credited to a werewolf. Not sure if there is much of a difference between a werewolf and dogman when they are at your throat...

You guys are creeping me out.

Big thanks to you Dudlow, I'll have to see if I can locate that stuff. I seem to remember some of what you were talking about and I think I can remember some dogman/werewolf stuff from southern europe that was very similar as well, I'll have to put it on my "to do list". As for the LBL monster stories, they are VERY Disturbing, I've read them several times. Somebody, I can't remeber who, looked into this story and took some interesting photo's of the supposed "dirt piles and chain link fence" and posible government concrete bunkers to kill the Dogman afterwards, that was constructed after the family was murdered, but it may have been from a bad source, I can't seem to remember. Monsterquest, did a very interesting story on it though and had some very recent stories, complete with polygraph tests, all passed, very weird and a bit scary. As I've said before, I think the Dogman is the only crypto creature I would consider hunting myself, with the purpose of extermination, I'd have to look into the stories more to be sure. It is a very interesting subject. It makes me think about a strange experience I had years ago as a trucker that I discussed with Johnnymoonburn, involving what some Blackfeet and Apache indians I've asked said was a "Skin walker". I don't know what to make of it, but it was one of the stranger things I've seen and when I realized what had happened, it really creeped me out.

For those not familar with the LBL stories, they can be found here:


http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JANSTALES.html



Go ahead and add the Chupacabra to your list Jay, I don't like them much either...

Sorry about that, Teresa. While I find the dogman stories very entertaining I also have to admit that there is nothing I would rather NOT meet in the forest more than dogman. Scares the beejeesus out of me! Give me bear, give me cougar, give me carcajou for gosh sakes, but please, never make me have to deal with dogman! AARRGGGGGHH!!!!!

Apparently Alexander the Great felt the same way, at least according to Pliny. In one of his stories Alexander finally decided the only way to deal with the brutalizing practices of dogman was by sending him a concubine so beautiful that surely love (or lust, at least) would conquer all. As the story goes, dogman was so smitten with the beauty that he immediately swept her up in his arms and spirited her away into the forest. Well, as it turned out, seduction was apparently not in the dogman's vocabulary, for the beautiful concubine was later found rendered into tiny shreds and eaten!

This dogman fellow really has got to go!

But seriously, folks, there are a number of dogman reports from a surprising number of different States and Provinces, and more are surfacing as time goes on. The supposed witnesses appear to be insistent on the fact that dogman has a long canid snout and canid legs, quite unlike BF. What are we to make of this?

I've been seriously considering having some silver bullets made.
Dudlow

Maybe it was this guy.....

Jay, I looked up your Forum reference to the Skinwalker and found it here:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...p;hl=skinwalker

However, I don't see your story of the skinwalker encounter itself, which I would be interested in hearing. Can you direct me to it?

I have grown more and more interested in the so-called 'high strangeness' aspects of these Dogman sightings, even though most folks roll their eyes back and smirk. Some accounts are downright weird but the problem is that there is a good deal of similarity in many of the accounts, from shape-shifting to light-emitting eyes, to strange body morphologies, etc. Clearly not sasquatch-related but apparently manifestations of the greater Dogman phenomena which, as I pointed out a few posts back, goes back into ancient history; much like sasquatch.

Even the Skinwalker Ranch NIDS studies sponsored by Robert Bigelow make for compelling reading and a lot of head scratching. With all of these very strange variations of the Dogman popping up thousands of miles apart, you've got to wonder if there isn't yet another cryptid finally hitting the public's modern awareness, thanks to the disseminative power of the internet.
Dudlow

Nope, this is him...and boy is he scary!!!!!!!!

Wonder if BF has meet the Dogman?
Michigan Dogman

Here's a link to a creepy dogman story from Michigan that was posted three weeks ago on the Paracast discussion forum:

http://forum.theparacast.com/f7/michigan-d...perience-t2027/

Well that was creepy. I should have waited until in the morning to read that one.

dogman is tame. Does anyone else here read the weird america series. Pigman of New Hampshire, Owlman in England, I think there's a goatman to. That's some wild stuff. Oh and Connecticut and others who have mellonheads.....

Hey Guys I got this from another forum.. Im going to paste it here

Hello all grin2.gif ,

First off, you may not care what i have to say because I'm 15 and the possibility of a dogman is fairly hard to believe, so if you don't care what i have to say... well darn. -edit- tongue.gif


My name is Hanna, i have lived in Benzie County, Michigan my entire life, year round, and i'm truly amazed and appalled that so many Michiganders have never heard of the legend of the dogman, Let alone never even heard it first hand.
anywho, whenever my family gets together my dad & uncle play a recording of the legend of the dogman late at night to freak me out, and every time i hear it i get really scared (especially when i was 5.) So today my uncle stopped over for a visit and we ended up talking about the legend cause they kinda stopped playing it for a few years. i had nearly forgotten about the song and legend behind it but out of the blue the topic came up when he told me about someone from Wisconsin who had a Bigfoot-like animal steel roadkill from the back of his truck (his job was to clean the roadkill off roads, ewww). so after my uncle left i decided to google dogman and see what i could find (because i have OCD and i tend to obsess over things.) But now after over 5 hours sitting at my computer researching it , i think i have read pretty much everything the Internet has to offer about this/these *?* dogman/men.

An intersting thing that i have found on it was an interview with a Native American. A Native Americans Perspective on the Michigan Dogman. <-Theres the link. He goes on about shape shifting and how Traditional Native Americans study their totem very intensely, down to their animal's tendencies and mannerisms. He was talking specifically about the Cheyenne tribe. These warriors (often called dog soldiers or dog men) were very advanced persistent hunters. *getting to the point* the US army supposedly "broke for all time the power of the Cheyenne Dog Soldiers on the central Plains" in the Battle of Summit Springs in Colorado, but stories about them were passed down in the form of folk lour from elders over time and into this neck of the woods (MI) as more natives moved back into Michigan. I believe that these stories may have been twisted and mutilated from being passed down by hearsay to fit what people want to hear and what will make the hairs on the back of their necks stand up and eventually the natives striving to be like their totem which is sometimes referred to as shape shifting became literal shape shifting in stories therefor the legend was created.

Or if you believe that the dogmen/man are out there looming in the rural areas and dark forests of Michigan, Wisconsin and/or Ohio you may want to hear that Steve Cook, the author of the song the legend of the dogman has been an avid folk lour collector since his youth. Possibly he had heard about them in his past and decided to write a fictional story around the idea of the animal-thing.

To me there was one sighting that stuck out. it was the first one i happened to read: Dogman Sighting this sighting was in Michigan near Reed City if i can recall, by a medical student that is majoring in radiology who seemed to be credible for his story. In his letter to a reporter (linda godfrey) he gives the most detailed description of the shape of a dogman's body that i have read and gives very precise information about the times and what exactly he and his friends were doing. He also mentions of hearing rumor about there being more than one of these creatures in his area more like 4 or 5(?). to conclude it he wrote "I don't think this was paranormal, it was biological. Not ghostly." which i agree with completely. After reading this i believe that there is an unknown animal people call the dogman or he is an exceptional writer with to much time on his hands.

A lot of the information out there tends to contradict itself and other information which leaves this a pretty open-ended debate or discussion. Personally i really want to believe that they are out there, but i'm the kind of person who likes to have evidence and clarity before making up my mind, what i really want is to see or take a picture of it, or video, or something to prove that they are out there. people claim to have seen footprints, why don't they take a mold or a picture of the footprint. if you have taken or found a picture online of a dogman or of damage one has done please post it, or a sketch of one that someone who has seen a dogman has drew. or a sketch of what you think one looks like.

So yeah... i know this is kind of an odd-off the wall post but what the hell, if u actually read this far i bet it got u thinking wink2.gif . i just want to pick your brain to see what you think about the possibility of the existance of a dogman. Also if you think that there could be more than one of them. You may even come to the conclusion that they are a cross breed, an unknown animal, a biological mishap or whatever. im not writing this for you to criticize my thoughts, knowledge, research, or lack of writing ability *because i am only a sophomore in high school*, i just want you to stretch yourself, be open minded and tell me what you think. but if u feel the need to criticize me knock your socks off. =]

here is the A Native Americans Perspective on the Michigan Dogman she posted -> http://www.weirdmichigan.com/monsters.html

Navajo skinwalker: the Yeenaaldlooshii

Main article: Witch (Navajo)

Possibly the best documented skinwalker beliefs are those relating to the Navajo Yeenaaldlooshii (literally "with it, he goes on all fours" in the Navajo language). A Yeenaaldlooshii is one of several varieties of Navajo witch (specifically an ’ánt’įįhnii or practitioner of the Witchery Way, as opposed to a user of curse-objects (’adagąsh) or a practitioner of Frenzy Way (’azhįtee)). Technically, the term refers to an ’ánt’įįhnii who is using his (rarely her) powers to travel in animal form. In some versions men or women who have attained the highest level of priesthood then commit the act of killing an immediate member of their family, and then have thus gained the evil powers that are associated with skinwalkers.

The ’ánt’įįhnii are human beings who have gained supernatural power by breaking a cultural taboo. Specifically, a person is said to gain the power to become a Yeenaaldlooshii upon initiation into the Witchery Way. Both men and women can become ’ánt’įįhnii and therefore possibly skinwalkers, but men are far more numerous. It is generally thought that only childless women can become witches.

Although it is most frequently seen as a coyote, wolf, owl, fox, or crow, the Yeenaaldlooshii is said to have the power to assume the form of any animal they choose, depending on what kind of abilities they need. Witches use the form for expedient travel, especially to the Navajo equivalent of the 'Black Mass', a perverted song (and the central rite of the Witchery Way) used to curse instead of to heal. They also may transform to escape from pursuers.

Some Navajo also believe that skinwalkers have the ability to steal the "skin" or body of a person. The Navajo believe that if you lock eyes with a skinwalker they can absorb themselves into your body. It is also said that skinwalkers avoid the light and that their eyes glow like an animal's when in human form and when in animal form their eyes do not glow as an animal's would.

A skinwalker is usually described as naked, except for a coyote skin, or wolf skin. Some Navajos describe them as a mutated version of the animal in question. The skin may just be a mask, like those which are the only garment worn in the witches' sing.

Because animal skins are used primarily by skinwalkers, the pelt of animals such as bears, coyotes, wolves, and cougars are strictly tabooed. Sheepskin and buckskin are probably two of the few hides used by Navajos; the latter is used only for ceremonial purposes.

Often, Navajos will tell of their encounter with a skinwalker, though there is a lot of hesitancy to reveal the story to non-Navajos, or (understandably) to talk of such frightening things at night. Sometimes the skinwalker will try to break into the house and attack the people inside, and will often bang on the walls of the house, knock on the windows, and climb onto the roofs. Sometimes, a strange, animal-like figure is seen standing outside the window, peering in. Other times, a skinwalker may attack a vehicle and cause a car accident. The skinwalkers are described as being fast, agile, and impossible to catch. Though some attempts have been made to shoot or kill one, they are not usually successful. Sometimes a skinwalker will be tracked down, only to lead to the house of someone known to the tracker. As in European werewolf lore, sometimes a wounded skinwalker will escape, only to have someone turn up later with a similar wound which reveals them to be the witch. It is said that if a Navajo was to know the person behind the skinwalker they had to pronounce the full name, and about three days later that person would either get sick or die for the wrong that they have committed.[1]

According to Navajo legend, skinwalkers can have the power to read human thoughts. They also possess the ability to make any human or animal noise they choose. A skinwalker may use the voice of a relative or the cry of an infant to lure victims out of the safety of their homes.

The legend of the skinwalkers tells of God giving the people a gift of transformation that was used only against their enemies. Over time, the people began to abuse this power, thus bringing God to earth to reclaim it. Some gave the power up and others hid with it and passed the knowledge to others.

Some tribes believe that skinwalkers can use the spit, hair, or shoes and old clothing of a person to make curses that will attack that specific person. For this reason many Navajo will never spit or leave shoes outside. They also take great care to see that any hair or nail clippings are burned. Children are advised that if they urinate outside to kick dirt over the spot so that a skinwalker cannot use it to make a curse against them.

Anyone see the movie of the beast of bray road. It claims it's based of a series of true reports. Any of this true?

I don't know; never heard of it before. All I know is that it is now on my Netflix Queue.

It isn't a Chow Chow, much to big. Doesn't move like one either. Chows take short steps, the creature kinda bounces about then charges.I do agree a child would not leave the car and his parents would not allow him to leave the car either. Did they have somewhere else to go ? we all run to avoid something we fear even when we shouldn't.

Not a dog. Shoulders are too wide. Also, it's first movements are too slow and measured to be a dog called back to its master. It zig-zags because of brush in its way as it runs. Just my take on it.

Pretty spooky footage! could have been mistaken at first for a family pet also.

In my opinion, BF is a mutant genus Homo. And, Dogman is a mutant BF. The snout and foot differences of dogman from BF could be accounted for by some fairly simple genetic changes. More on this a later time, I'm only posting this now because I'm getting up in age. Don't expect any further details for quite a while.

Hey Gordon!
By 'mutant' dou you mean fall-in-a-puddle-of-toxic-waste type of mutant or a more gradual type? Eye color, hair color sound like simple genetic changes. Snout and paw sound alittle more drastic than 'simple' though!

Creepy stuff! Too bad a couple of those links are bad/expired. I read everything, and I am just fascinated.
I heard of the Wisconsin dogman a while back, on one of those "weird" shows, before Monster Quest came along. The show made me a believer - and I'm from Maine, so I've never heard of the creature before. What got me was the apparent credibility of the witnesses. One lady said she saw one at night in her headlights, eating roadkill. Another man said that his deceased father related a close encounter story with one as a security guard (IIRC). His father made a sketch of the creature. I was thinking why would a father lie to his son about this?

Anyway, I don't think it's a mutation or an experiment. People have reported seeing more than one at the same time, so they effectively reproduce. It just has to be a normal creature. If bigfoot can be an ape-man, why not have a dog-man. I guess the only credibility issue is that there is no evidence of dog-men in the fossil record (as far as I know.) But I wouldn't dismiss all the eye witnesses. Some can be wrong, sure. They saw a bear. Or a wolf. Not everyone is lying about it, and not everyone jumps to conclusions. Some of these people saw something very real. As far as the Alexander The Great stuff about dogmen, is it possible that they used the term in a derogatory manner? So-and-so is a dog, an animal. Unintelligent, uncivilized, barbaric and filthy. Just sayin.

These creatures sound extremely dangerous. If I lived in that neck of the woods I'd carry something heavy duty on me at all times. a Desert Eagle .50 and/or shotgun.

This is the FIRST TIME that I have ever heard of and/or seen this video footage. It scared the crap out of me. I'm still trembling as I write this. I didn't read the comments until after I watched the video. I share many of the same opinions.
-At first, I thought it was a crouching man, with a raised leg as a "tail."
-This "tail" seemed to change from fat to slender.
-The creature seems to be very large, like a bear or giant dog.
-As it gained speed I thought it moved like a baboon. Too nimble for a bear.
-The zigzagging motion in its steps indicated to me that it was trying to be deceptive. It is large and heavy - it needs any advantage that it can get on prey. If it can assume that humans are smart and that they can anticipate its next move, it probably developed this zigzagging maneuver instinctively. I can't imagine running into a few of these creatures at once. Or just one.
-The end of the film made my heart jump. I hope no one got hurt, but with a creature with such a feral reputation and hostile posture on camera, I assume they died. If it's real.

The music was extremely creepy. I'll probably have dogman nightmares tonight. Thanks for sharing. I'm going to show my wife this video. She hates anything horror.
In Le Petit's second link, what does the camera stop on, at 0:26 ? I was trying to figure that one out.