Ok, but they really look more like 90 degree breaks to me.

The photos I posted are twisted 180 and 360 degrees respectively. For the record I've also found trees twisted full round multiple times.

Ok, if you say so, but I gotta tell you, whatever it is its not BF related -- I wouldn't look twice at those in the woods, I've seen the same thing a million times.

Rounder, what you have said is possible. The type of tree break has much to do with the tree species. There are hundreds of tree species growing in the US, and each has different strengths of wood. You and Bitter Monk may be talking about different species that break in different manners. lName the species.

The trees that I showed are Douglas Firs, and they don't twist when they break. Now this summer, I experimented and tried to break a 3" diameter green Doug Fir. I grabbed it up high, pulled the top down and bent it in a U shape. It didn't even crack but just bent. I then pushed it back and bent it really sharp, and it finally snapped. It was really hard.

The picture that I showed Bitter Monk with broken trees did not happen due to a tree falling. Something broke them and not necessairly BF but something.

The picture with me pointing with my left arm is a mystery break and the other picture is the one that I broke with lots of effort. A healthy Doug Fir does not just snap in the wind.

Sorry, I can't identify more than a dozen species off hand, I'm not an expert on trees, but I'm pretty good at knowing what burns well, since that's why I was collecting wood. I can't really tell what's going on in the pictures you provide, they're too far away for any detail. But the breaks that BM shows are nothing new to me -- I saw them every day I was in the woods. I'd go out there with a camera and show you what I mean, but this was in New Brunswick and I'm now on the prairies 2,500 miles away. But I do know that some trees, when dead (I didn't collect green stuff), will break cleanly across -- like poplar and birch -- neither of which was high on my list of preferable wood. Poplar is just crappy wood and birch goes punky really fast if its not split. Maple is excellent wood, and when you break it tends to splinter, but it breaks easily. I burned a limited amount of softwoods such as white/black spruce, but only if they were small, standing dead, and I needed some smaller stuff to get big pieces of hardwood going. But there were other species, ash I know for sure and I think hemlock, that were a bitch to break, mostly because the wood was so springy it wouldn't really break as much as splinter, and you'd have to twist it around four or five times with much effort to get a little stick to break. They were more effort than they were worth, so I never collected them much. Cedar was kind of like that too, it smelled nice but wasn't worth the little heat it gave off to bother with. So the point I'm trying to make is the ratty little trees that twist off like that weren't really worth the effort of harvesting, so I never paid much attention to them, but I did see them all the time. If this is what people are referring to when they talk of twisted off marker trees, I remain unconvinced they have any BF significance at all.

i find that hard to believe,of all the tree related incidents i believe the twist would be easier to prove as bf related than the others.

It is funny that starting out in a hundreds of acres study area, I collated stick formations, breaks, and the like, then focused on the relevant
topography, springs/streams/rock overhangs/caves/ravines/game trails/sun exposure morning and late afternoon. And only afterward, narrowed a study location down that I think led to a successful "planned" encounter eventually. If you all think these formations are irrelevant, that is fine, it was not in my study area, and in fact led me to be able
to strategize an area successfully. If it could work for me, it should work for others. The key is localization and longevity and not biting off an entire national
park or wilderness area willy-nilly and randomly. I do not believe I have heard from others though who have used this same technique successfully with the formations, however BFRO strategizes along the topography lines.

This is just my 2 cents but I don't put much stock in tree breaks most seem to be more likely to have occured by no crypto means.

The thing is though about tree breaks is that even if we do get a good witness accounts of them and physical evidence like foot and hand prints from the area all that shows is that does the behavior it still doesn't change the fact that most of these are probably nonbigfoot related and just wishful thinking by researchers.

Tree breaks and stick formations are two differnet things, in my mind.

TREE BREAKS seem very nebulous to interpretation. I live in SW Oregon, and there are plenty of tree breaks, all the time...

Stick FORMATIONS, are just that...

I have seen one. Tugged at it, messed with it. What was clear is that only sometthing with incredible dexterity could have fashioned such a structure.

That includes humans, but in the situation that I was in, I could not really confirm that humans were involved.

I think that the stick formations are certainly more interesting than the tree breaks which was the focus of this tread when I posted it. Both could quite easily be naturally occuring, though many of these stick formations seem to be too bizarre to be natural, and occur in places that there would be unlikely human activity.

From the Kiamichi Bigfoot site-

Tee-Pee formations-
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/kiamichibigfoot/photopage2.html


X Formations-
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/kiamichibigfoot/photopage1.html

(the copy is easier to read if you highlight it)

Additional sticks formations-
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/kiamichibigfoot/photopage8.html

Just a thought. If a person were actually killed by a bigfoot (assuming they were alone), something tells me the remains wouldn't be found. Just a hunch.

Actually, I read that Teddy Roosevelt reported a likely bigfoot killing in his 1890? book. The story went; two trappers in the Montana wilderness(?) came across an ape like creature, shot at it and missed. It allegedly stalked them for a couple of days, and when the split up, one guy was found dead with a broken neck and claw marks. He noted that the man wasn't eaten as he suspected a bear would likely do. But, I'm not one to know this for sure. I didn't read the book, just second hand information. So, I don't swear by it. Someone may want to correct me.

Hospitals don't really kill people do they? Isn't it that people that happen to be dying go to hospitals?

When I am driving I at least have the comfort of knowing that I am in control of my own vehicle. I can at least hope to be a good defensive driver and avoid wrecks etc.

If I happen to have a chance encounter with a snake or bee, I can choose to either kill it or escape from it. In both cases the choice is still mine, I am the Alpha.

Lightning is scary enough. A 10 year old boy and his father were shooting hoops in their driveway not far from here when both were struck by lightning. The father survived. The boy did not. When struck , the boy was holding the basketball. I heard that when struck he involuntarily through the basketball several hundred yards. Lightning, though, is not an animal that can smell, hear and see you. Lightning can not feel threatened when something encroaches its home, habitat or offspring. Lightning will not chase you.

The fact is that hundreds of persons go "missing" in wilderness areas such as the PNW every year. Most of these mysteries are never solved.

The fear should be real and healthy. If they exist, and you encounter one within a certain radius, it is the BF's choice as to whether or not you will go unharmed not yours. This realization is heard in the voice of Scott H's friend in their video.

However bizzare and absured the chances of these actualy being made BY a yowie, it may still hold a find in reality. It could be a simple animal trap, or, as other suggested, territory markers. But the are still probably hoaxs.

"Hospitals don't really kill people do they? Isn't it that people that happen to be dying go to hospitals?"

Sir...you have way too much faith in our hospitals. It is conservatively estimated by people who are intimately familiar with the hospital environment, that medical mistakes, kill approximately 100,000 people a year and the number is likely higher.

Nosocomial infections account for a significant number of deaths yearly. These are infections the patients didn't have when they arrived at the hospital.

Our convalescent centers are literally infection breeding centers.

No sir, the hospital is the last place you want to go, unless you absolutely have to.

K

I know I'm posting in a long-neglected thread, but anyway... I've come across a few tree breaks in my research area. The site is in a currently dry water catchment reserve, and in this part of it the majority of vegetation is chest high grass with occasional stands of quick growing trees (mainly acacias).

I found these breaks along a line of trees all within several hundred metres of each other - all were around 7-8 feet from the ground and all were well off the track, I reached them by breaking trail through the chest high grass.

Here in Queensland I don't have to worry about ice or snow. I'm not ruling out wind as a cause but I think it's unlikely, mainly due to the lack of other damage. In each case it was one branch broken only, the rest of the tree is strong and healthy.

In the pic where I've circled both ends of the break I took the branch down to look at it closer and it was split in half. In the following pic you can see the two halves, they were facing each other together in the crook which would seem unlikely if they were tree blown. The third branch you can see was also leaning there but it appears to be from another tree.

There's limited human activity in the area, and the breaks are out of the reach of any animals that could be found locally that would have the strength to break them (feral pig, deer)

This was the first trip where I actually took pictures so I learnt some lessons - need to frame the pics better, include tape measure etc for reference. I'll also follow up on lontabbers point and check the direction of the breaks etc - from memory most of them pointed towards a stand of trees that border the main path (there were no breaks in that stand).

So what's the alternative, not to utilize modern hospitals altogether? If I get shot or accidentally cut my finger off I'm not going to avoid a hospital out of fear of contracting a nosocrnial infection.