For those of you out there that have scene one, what exactly does the face look like? Is the Patterson-Gimlin film close? The Myaka photos don't look like Patty. They look for like a large orangotang with a beard. How about the art on BFRO or the other sites? Or is it possible that they have different looks?

OK. I can get off of my desk and stop dancing. I got my first post in after visiting for the last few months. In general, there's a lot of great posts here, and I've enjoyed reading them.

Juergen
Brentwood, CA (NorCal)

I am confused as to what they look like. I never saw one either. I always hear, Humanlike, then apelike then humanlike then apelike.

Wish I could see one. Personally I think the Myakka is either a picture of an orang, or a flat out hoax.


BTW welcome aboard.

Thanks for the welcome, SkunkHunter.

I would have to agree that the Myaka is pretty much a hoax. But then, there's the .000001 percent of me that says, "If they haven't been proven to exist, then how do I know what they look like?". I would like to think that Patty is real. The rest of the photo's out there are pretty much blobsquatches as you BFF'ers have coined. They just aren't clear at all. Maybe I should drink a bottle of Gin and look at them again though.

BB

Careful with the Gin and looking at photos. Too many other folks in this field seem to be doing just that. Half a dozen names come to mind.

But you have a point. The .000001 percent of you should always remain open to the posibility, myself included.

As much as the folks here have converted me to being a believer in the Patterson footage, I still dont use it as a guage to what a Bf is supposed to look like or anything else. I still have some doubts to the film. Not many, but still some. I am almost totally converted and the best thing about this place -- they dont make you drink any kool aid to be a part of the gang.

Hey, BB, thanks for jumping in!

I've never seen one, though, so...uh...I can't answer your question!

I've never seen one either (yet), so I can't be of much help either.

But I did want to say, "Welcome to the BFF, BB!"

Yep,welcome BB

Welcome, BB!!

hi and welcome

i'm new too, altho since you've been lurking a few months you already know that

gael

ps i've never seen one so i cant hlep with your question

Thanks gals and guys for the warm welcome. Based on what I've read over the past few months, I think you guys won't be too offended. I think it's pretty funny. You may have even seen it during your Internet searches for BF.

The lighter side BTW: It took a while to load today.

Anyone know where the nearest kiosk is??

I thought I might add.Although I have seen one,I cant describe the face.

It may look something like this

Welcome, BB!

Now that you've made the correct lane choice...

You had better not split on us!

Well, although I believe I've seen at least one... I didn't see the face.

...your day will come, b...

Actually Cryptic, I think you have a House Ape confused with
the North American Ape

yeah thats my oldest yard ape

I've seen them too. It was around 1am and then again at 3am when they came to visit me in bed this am. I've also seen tracks in the bathroom on towels after going for a swim in my bath. Maybe that's why I don't smell their stench very often. They tend to jump on the beds and couches in the house and climb on anything they can. That's why I think they are from the ape family. They are very strong. One is around 2.5. While trying to capture her, I recieved a black eye. No human of that age could have cause so much pain. My wife was able to capture the beast trying to attack me again after the incident.

Welcome BB!

Always nice to have another redhead on the boards

Just a hint for capturing those little apes to avoid injury: Oreo in one hand and BIG net in the other. Sometimes a rope lair with marshmallows or shiny bracelets works too. They are a lot like crows in their interest in shiny objects.

Kathy H

Redwolf and BB..... you are so funny!!!

I also understand a thing or two about those house/yard apes. I have a couple myself. Turn on some music and watch them jirate in the most unusual ways!

I too have never seen one but I have most definately been near one at one point last Friday night/sat morning I was within 30 yards of one we were playing chase around all night long with one while it was screaming at us and some coyotes the very first scream was the most unnearving sound I have ever heard but it was really cool being in the same area and having such an interaction with one and best of all except for the first scream , I got it all on tape and it came out really clear.

I really want to hear this!!

Did the sas mimic the coyote at any point, or was it a completely different vocal in response?

Kathy H.

Oh, Oh

Now what the hell is that supposed to mean Blackdog?

I didn't mean to offend anyone but, this kind of thing has come up before and I think that it has been best said previously that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Unless the creature is seen making the sounds how does anyone know what made them?

I know that this isn't an original thought but this type of claim has started some heated discussion and that's where I was coming from.

No offence.

Okay, sorry if I was too bitchy, but I am in a real bitchy mood today and just posting a little smirk with no explanation kinda set me off. My apologies.

Yes, I know extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and most certainly we cannot be 100% positive that the animal recorded was indeed a sasquatch.

But are we going to shoot down every vocal that comes along? I happen to know this particular outing was a very interesting one and would love to hear the vocals if at all possible. In fact, if no one else wants to hear them, GR can PM me so I can get them privately.

And hey! Have a nice day

Kathy H.

Oh bullcrap! I wanna' hear'em too!

Would also like to hear it.

OK for those of you who want to know, we broadcasted over a pa system some bigfoot screams and all hell broke loose RB was there with us so dont just take my word for it we cant say where the location is at we agreed not to say where it was but the thing let out the first howl/scream it was like the ohio scream if you are familiar with it when it started in with the coyotes they started yipping like a warning to each other and the thing screamed a long high pitched scream that is totally unlike the coyote sounds and if all that were not enough the thing was breaking branches in the trees very close to us we were there with BFRO and believe me it was a Sasquatch we were hearing that night without a doubt.

I still would like to hear them. No need to give details on where. Just interested.

OK, sorry if I sounded like a d*ckhead (too much travel this week for work).

I wasn’t aware of the circumstances and these certainly seem extraordinary and well witnessed.

If you can forgive a crabby old man I would welcome the opportunity to hear these sounds also.

In the future I’ll hold my tongue until I get the full story.

OK any of you would like to talk and or hear about what happened can call me at a reasonable hour I am on the west coast at 530-751-2031 and I will tell you what happened

Cool, thanks Sean. Don't know if I'll get a chance to take you up on this over the weekend, but I'll try. I'm in NorCal too. Just 25mi west of Stockton. Are the screams possibly on your site?

Juergen

Come on Sean you gotta post that audio in here. Does anyone scream like a girl in it?? Does anyone say like "we are all gonna die!!!"

Hey Sean.....what are you using for a recording device? I have my Bionic Ear but still can't decide whether to go with digital or tape - what does your group use (and why)?

Thanks for any info;

James

** Edit ** If anyone else has an opinion re: digital vs. tape for use with a Bionic Ear, please feel free to PM me....I am going to purchase a recorder tomorrow for an overnight field trip this week-end and any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks again.

Ok sorry I went to our sons high school football game so I will answer your questions first off no one screamed like a girl but you can hear some girlish concearn in my voice after we figured out that the thing had flanked us to our left and got around behind us and then we had to go back to base camp to fix a radio that was on the fritz we had to move back through the area the creature had moved through, but myself and tom took lead positions and led the rest of the guys safely back to base camp where i droped most of my pack and took only bare isentials back out with me into the field. I was using a Sony digital recorder video camera with night visionand although you cant see much of what was going on you can certainly hear it all, let me say one thing really quickly here Ive talked with some people about what happened and some say things like if I was there man I would have just ran into the woods towards the sounds and macho stuff like that well I am a seasoned combat vet and I would not have just run into the darkness and hoped for the best, thats how people get hurt and keeping our team members safe is very important to us we want results but not at the expense of someone getting hurt or mauled by an angry sasquatch, Im not sure what the calls we were blasting were saying but the sasquatch did not like it cause the thing freaked the hell out it was scary but way cool at the same time and maybe as I get to know you guys some more tahn you can come out with us and check it out and I can say one last thing RB and I were teamed up together on the 2nd night and he is one cool guy he actually was so relaxed as we were lying on this little embankment that he fell asleep but he is one cool customer out in the field and I would go anywhere with that man I trust him completely

Sean -

Are you sure no one screamed like a girl?? I mean, I was there, and I heard some girlish screaming from somewhere and it wasn't me!

And you are right, RB is completely laid back...not concerned with much....even with a sasquatch breathing down his neck!

I'm cool if you want to post the audio on here, as long as the original broadcast is eliminated. And for the record, what we heard matched the Tahoe Scream, not the Ohio howl/or scream.

And Redwolf, I don't believe the sas was mimicking the coyotes, it was more of a "You shut-up" "No, YOU shut-up" type thing (probably because the sas is a girl and the coyotes where interrupting her beauty sleep).

Awesome stuff, GreenRogue and Hairy Man!

And you're both totally correct about RB. Hell, he put up with me for almost five days without so much as a whimper or slap across the back of my head.

Oh, I am soooooo tempted...but I won't. I'm trying so very hard to be good. But its really, really hard...ok, ok, I'm backing away from the keyboard now.....slowly, slowly....backing away.....

<--- amazed at the strength of your restraint

You have no idea how much restraint I have....you and RB mentioned in the same post with the words whimpering and slapping......trust me, you have no idea.......

But you can't hold that against us. We can't help it if we both have a terminal case of footinmouthitis.

Thanks Kathy,

I only ask this because one night in my area I heard what I can only describe as an 800 lb coyote. It was much deeper, and much louder than any coyote I had ever heard. I am very familiar with coyote and elk vocals. No recorder that night either

I catch part of a vocal on tape that sounds a lot like the Ohio howl. To me it's very wolf-like. I called around to see if anyone in that area had wolves, or a rescue thing with wolves going on and no one did (or admitted ) It was much deeper than the wolves I have heard in the past.

Both of these calls were distinctly different than what I heard in Blue Mountains

Just curious as to your thoughts on whether they imitate or not. It would help answer some of my own questions.

The other Kathy

Can't be too many Kathy's in this world for me!!!

Oh, yeah, I think they can imitate other animals just fine. The screams and other sounds they use are just methods of communication. When you're nocturnal, you have to be able to find your kids/spouse/mistress in the dark (although I believe they have GREAT night vision). It would be reasonable to assume, just on evolutionary logic, that in order to protect your young, you are going to have to develop ways of communication that are not necessarily obvious to other predators.

I mean, if I've got a two year-old that I've set down to go collect a few berries or whatever, and I call out "honey, you alright? Mamma is right here", every predator in a two-mile radius now knows my baby is unprotected and is an easy target. So, instead, I'm more likely to use something that blends in the landscape. If I sound like a coyote, but my child recognizes my voice, I just accomplished the exact same thing as I intended. Right? The trick is....who are the predators they can imitate?

Thanks Kathy,

I appreciate your take on this.

Also, I am curious, and it may sound stupid to ask, but if they can recognize the voice of kid/spouse/mistress, how would they respond to their own voice call blasted? Confused? Angry? Curious?


Kathy H.

I edited out a comment re: curiousity about their diaphram control and whether they had better control thatn most animals to produce such a diverse range of vocalizations, I thought I couldn't find the right words to state..but maybe, I just did?

Damn, I am tired, 5 more minutes on the canner and I can pull the tomatoes out and go ni-nite.

It would depend, I think, on their ability to recognize their own voice in the first place. I would think that they "should" have a good sense of that, since they can obviously recognize loved ones. When we call blasted in Tahoe a week ago, the return call was an exact match to what we blasted. Of course, I can't say both were the same individual, but it sure sounded like that.

I would also suspect that siblings (same gender) sound similar to each other, and likely even sound similar to their same gendered parents (where they would learn the communication methods in the first place).

As far as use and control of the diaphragm, they have to be experts at that, of that I am sure. The reported vocal range of different sounds and volume is vast. There are reports of whistles, whispers, earth-shattering screams, and medium volume clicking. I don't think they could have survived so long without an incredible control of those aspects. Which, of course, makes you better appreciate when they open up and letter rip, they are OBVIOUSLY intending to do so.

Then of course, there's these is the "here chicky, chicky" thing..... the only bf story that has, and continues to, give me the creeps!

Has anyone listened to the vol. 2 of Sierra Sounds yet? I am curious about it. Literature says that it has a much more complex exchange. More like language than vol. 1. ????

After eight different encounters with a bigfoot, some face to face, other times at a
distance, they do look like a cross between a human and a ape. Not only their
face, but also their body. Every one had a muscular body, (females also) but very trim.
From my experience, the only facial features I was able to see were the eyes, nose and part of the mouth, because of the facial hair. (even the female) The features are less pronounced than an ape, but still resemble them. I will always remember the eyes though; big, round and black. Very intimidating look, but I
have never encountered one that wasn't docile, not that it couldn't be nasty if it
needed to be. I've seen one snap a 6" thick tree as though it were a twig.

A creature that seems to be as curious about us as we are about them.

ExplorAncient

Thanks for the insight, EA. I have a question. Is there any artwork out on the web that does a good job at looking like 'the real deal' you've seen?

BB

Due to the fact that we hear our own voice, both through our ears, and by way of bone-conduction of the sound internally, we perceive the sound as different from the way others hear us. The first time one hears oneself on a tape recording, the usual response is: "That is not me" or "Oh, I sound horrible".

As a scientific experiment, I wonder what the response would be if you asked a young person who had never heard a tape of their own voice, to listen to a series of recordings of some people saying an identical phrase?

Maybe it would be best to first try recordings of people of the same age and with the same accent and ask the young person if there was anything strange about the recording? Would the person be able to say "Hey, that's me!!" without any prompting or leading of the witness?

do they look like this?

WAY...TOO...BIG...

CAN'T...BREATH...*GASP*

The one sighting (if you can call if that) I had was of a large silhouette crossing an open field in the moonlight. Unfortunately not much detail could be seen due to distance (30 or so metres) and poor illumniation (1st quarter moon). The overall impression left was of a large creature moving very fast and being disturbingly quiet in doing so. Another impression I got was that of wanting to be anywhere else in world except right there at that moment!
(Thus the tagline from MST3k "Return to Boggy Creek")

Being in the same enviroment with something that large and that stealthy does not make for a restful evening. And the sad thing was we were looking for this thing, found it (or vise virsa) and then all we wanted to do was go home!

It's easy to be brave sitting in front of the tube watching "Boggy Creek" but it's really dark in the woods at night and here there be monsters......