Full Version: More on Mary Green vs Jan Carter Coy
I just found this, which some here may be interested in.
Thanks Noodle,
I just read it. I can't say it's surprising to me in any way. Nobody knows how much of this is true, as it seems to be a lot he "she said - she said" and each side will disagree with the other, but in my humble opinion, there is a lot more going on here than what either side has presented to the public.
I just read it. I can't say it's surprising to me in any way. Nobody knows how much of this is true, as it seems to be a lot he "she said - she said" and each side will disagree with the other, but in my humble opinion, there is a lot more going on here than what either side has presented to the public.
Here's the text, just so it becomes a more permanent and/or accessible part of the public record. Formatting differs from the original.
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Information on Jan Carter
December 21 2007 at 5:43 PM
MaryGreen (Login MaryGreen)
from IP address 74.38.185.228
To all bigfoot researchers worldwide:
I have been thinking about posting my specific reasons for disassociating myself from Janice Carter and anything to do with her except for the book we published as co-authors.
I am also currently debating whether or not to make public the many video recordings of personal interviews with Janice and Lyla Carter made during the year of 2002. There are a few chapters in "50 Years with Bigfoot" that contain verbatim the recorded interviews (word for word). I also have many video cassettes of these very same video recordings of the interviews plus some cassette tapes only of other interviews with her by me.
Since Janice Carter has begun to make certain claims that make it look like I have done her wrong in the writing of the book and caused her problems with it, or even possibly made mistatements or mistakes on it, I feel like it may be necessary for me to make these public statements. Be it known that Janice issued her half of the book which four editors had worked on for months, correctly her spelling errors several times during the year of writing it. On the night before the publication was due at the printers in the morning. She sent another draft that Henner Fahrenbach had asked her to re-write. I told her I could not at this late date make many changes over several chapters and I would not do so again. She grew angry and cried and said that she would not allow the book to be published unless I let her put in all new chapters. I relented on the request and told her if she was willing that what she had sent me to be printed remain unedited, I would simply replace the entire half of her book at her request, but be it known that I would not be responsible for any errors it contained. I was extremely tired and exhausted from the entire matter. Thus her portions of the book in the end went exactly as she wished and she used statements exactly as she wished to use them. I am not responsible for her portion of the book that she had written herself.
However, the time and cost of making DVD's of these said interviews would be great. They are on Hi-8 film. Therefore, I am deciding how to go about it. It would certainly not be feasible for me to go to all of this work and just send them to everyone inerested in proving her case right or wrong, just as I have been. I would have to charge for DVD's and make them available to those who are truly interested in the charges of plaigarism on the Word list. I still have copies of the lists of words that were presented to me as authentic bigfoot words IN JANICE'S OWN HANDWRITING and the editor of these words were given in a wildly random order, but the editor finally managed to put them in as much order as was possible.
I am not responsible for Janice's misrepresentation of any of these words, if in fact, she has done so. I also have a huge library of e-mails from Janice upon which I can verify all that was said in her case is backed up by her own words and confessions and in hours of interviews. These have been kept in a safe place for such an event as has been going on this past year.
My first concerns began right after the book was published in Dec. 2002, and many good bigfoot researchers wondered about the inconsisencies in it. I did purposefully leave them in as the words were used exactly the way Janice Carter used them in her interviews, telephone interviews, and numerous e-mails. Janice often explained that she was confused on dates.
I did also repeatedly ask Janice Carter for the name of the young teenager (this is on film) and her parents, where they lived, who the boys were that were accused, etc.) whom Janice said was raped and exasperatingly, Janice consistently refused to give them to me for my files. She gave every imaginable excuse, especially that the boys accussed of the rape would sue her if she did so, that Moccasin Bend would also sue us too if we published this in the book.
Janice gave every imaginable excuse there was for not doing so. There was always excuses why she could not provide pictures of Fox and/or his family and the constant excuse that she was a dummy with a camera, but I grew weary of hearing it.
Her husband at that time, (2002-??) pawned equipment that I gave Janice to help her with our investigation and Janice also misused funds she received from me and others saying their family did not have anything to eat, etc. So these were the first things evident in this case of a possible misleading on the facts. I often explained to Janice Carter, in the beginning, that we needed to write about her grandfathers success with the bigfoot and it ended up being nothing about his work with the bigfoot on his farm but what Janice saw and knew about them. It was my true aim to learn what she knew about her Grandfather and honor his years of work with the bigfoot as he so rightly deserved if such was the case. There was nothing to do but to continue the book and provide the information Janice gave me on what happened there at their farm for so many years. There began to be so many excuses about facts I needed to complete the book, medical records, names, dates, etc, that I decided to publish as it was. It was a totally honest effort by me to get to the truth of the matter. A huge amount of work done by me was to seek the truth in this case.
Next, Janice's lie to Dr. Henner Fahrenbach about the Sierra Sound recordings, that she did not recognize any of these words and then suddenly knew EVERY word they said on them, let me know she had been very dishonest to Dr. Fahrenbach and other researchers in on her case. Janice's lies about some physical evidence that was found in the past year where I actually caught her hoaxing evidence disturbed me tremendously and at that point, I pulled away from Janice and all concerning her, at her great wroth over the fact that I did. At this time she had associated herself with a man from California who was her mentor and financial supporter.
In 2002, before I started writing this book called 50 Years with Bigfoot, I did promise the bigfoot research world that if I found any inconsistencies or lies, of which I told Janice also, that I would do if this occurred, was to publicly present any lies for consideration. I had by this time, become totally weary with trying to help Janice Carter prove her case and I do (feel l(ike she has taken advantage of many (financially) in this field, lied to them while doing so, all of which is which is only my own opinion.
There are a few other minor points, but I felt like I needed to publish what is the truth and to present it publicly as soon as possible. I do not wish to see any others harmed by Janice Carter's most unusual claims. I do believe she may be mentally troubled and as a result could possibly be a pathological liar, but that is yet to be proven. I feel like she should submit herself to a psychiatrist for a full evaluation. I do not wish to see her publicly ridiculed as people like this desperately need professional help if this is the case. I don't know if I will ever know myself, but I gave my all in trying to find the answers. I have failed in some ways, but have succeeded in others. One thing I do honestly know, that Janice did lie to me on several occasions over the past two years and as the evidence stacked up, I found it necessary to post publicly these findings.
Mary Green
These are my own personal statements and I do have all that is necessary to back up what I am saying.
December 21 2007 at 5:43 PM
MaryGreen (Login MaryGreen)
from IP address 74.38.185.228
To all bigfoot researchers worldwide:
I have been thinking about posting my specific reasons for disassociating myself from Janice Carter and anything to do with her except for the book we published as co-authors.
I am also currently debating whether or not to make public the many video recordings of personal interviews with Janice and Lyla Carter made during the year of 2002. There are a few chapters in "50 Years with Bigfoot" that contain verbatim the recorded interviews (word for word). I also have many video cassettes of these very same video recordings of the interviews plus some cassette tapes only of other interviews with her by me.
Since Janice Carter has begun to make certain claims that make it look like I have done her wrong in the writing of the book and caused her problems with it, or even possibly made mistatements or mistakes on it, I feel like it may be necessary for me to make these public statements. Be it known that Janice issued her half of the book which four editors had worked on for months, correctly her spelling errors several times during the year of writing it. On the night before the publication was due at the printers in the morning. She sent another draft that Henner Fahrenbach had asked her to re-write. I told her I could not at this late date make many changes over several chapters and I would not do so again. She grew angry and cried and said that she would not allow the book to be published unless I let her put in all new chapters. I relented on the request and told her if she was willing that what she had sent me to be printed remain unedited, I would simply replace the entire half of her book at her request, but be it known that I would not be responsible for any errors it contained. I was extremely tired and exhausted from the entire matter. Thus her portions of the book in the end went exactly as she wished and she used statements exactly as she wished to use them. I am not responsible for her portion of the book that she had written herself.
However, the time and cost of making DVD's of these said interviews would be great. They are on Hi-8 film. Therefore, I am deciding how to go about it. It would certainly not be feasible for me to go to all of this work and just send them to everyone inerested in proving her case right or wrong, just as I have been. I would have to charge for DVD's and make them available to those who are truly interested in the charges of plaigarism on the Word list. I still have copies of the lists of words that were presented to me as authentic bigfoot words IN JANICE'S OWN HANDWRITING and the editor of these words were given in a wildly random order, but the editor finally managed to put them in as much order as was possible.
I am not responsible for Janice's misrepresentation of any of these words, if in fact, she has done so. I also have a huge library of e-mails from Janice upon which I can verify all that was said in her case is backed up by her own words and confessions and in hours of interviews. These have been kept in a safe place for such an event as has been going on this past year.
My first concerns began right after the book was published in Dec. 2002, and many good bigfoot researchers wondered about the inconsisencies in it. I did purposefully leave them in as the words were used exactly the way Janice Carter used them in her interviews, telephone interviews, and numerous e-mails. Janice often explained that she was confused on dates.
I did also repeatedly ask Janice Carter for the name of the young teenager (this is on film) and her parents, where they lived, who the boys were that were accused, etc.) whom Janice said was raped and exasperatingly, Janice consistently refused to give them to me for my files. She gave every imaginable excuse, especially that the boys accussed of the rape would sue her if she did so, that Moccasin Bend would also sue us too if we published this in the book.
Janice gave every imaginable excuse there was for not doing so. There was always excuses why she could not provide pictures of Fox and/or his family and the constant excuse that she was a dummy with a camera, but I grew weary of hearing it.
Her husband at that time, (2002-??) pawned equipment that I gave Janice to help her with our investigation and Janice also misused funds she received from me and others saying their family did not have anything to eat, etc. So these were the first things evident in this case of a possible misleading on the facts. I often explained to Janice Carter, in the beginning, that we needed to write about her grandfathers success with the bigfoot and it ended up being nothing about his work with the bigfoot on his farm but what Janice saw and knew about them. It was my true aim to learn what she knew about her Grandfather and honor his years of work with the bigfoot as he so rightly deserved if such was the case. There was nothing to do but to continue the book and provide the information Janice gave me on what happened there at their farm for so many years. There began to be so many excuses about facts I needed to complete the book, medical records, names, dates, etc, that I decided to publish as it was. It was a totally honest effort by me to get to the truth of the matter. A huge amount of work done by me was to seek the truth in this case.
Next, Janice's lie to Dr. Henner Fahrenbach about the Sierra Sound recordings, that she did not recognize any of these words and then suddenly knew EVERY word they said on them, let me know she had been very dishonest to Dr. Fahrenbach and other researchers in on her case. Janice's lies about some physical evidence that was found in the past year where I actually caught her hoaxing evidence disturbed me tremendously and at that point, I pulled away from Janice and all concerning her, at her great wroth over the fact that I did. At this time she had associated herself with a man from California who was her mentor and financial supporter.
In 2002, before I started writing this book called 50 Years with Bigfoot, I did promise the bigfoot research world that if I found any inconsistencies or lies, of which I told Janice also, that I would do if this occurred, was to publicly present any lies for consideration. I had by this time, become totally weary with trying to help Janice Carter prove her case and I do (feel l(ike she has taken advantage of many (financially) in this field, lied to them while doing so, all of which is which is only my own opinion.
There are a few other minor points, but I felt like I needed to publish what is the truth and to present it publicly as soon as possible. I do not wish to see any others harmed by Janice Carter's most unusual claims. I do believe she may be mentally troubled and as a result could possibly be a pathological liar, but that is yet to be proven. I feel like she should submit herself to a psychiatrist for a full evaluation. I do not wish to see her publicly ridiculed as people like this desperately need professional help if this is the case. I don't know if I will ever know myself, but I gave my all in trying to find the answers. I have failed in some ways, but have succeeded in others. One thing I do honestly know, that Janice did lie to me on several occasions over the past two years and as the evidence stacked up, I found it necessary to post publicly these findings.
Mary Green
These are my own personal statements and I do have all that is necessary to back up what I am saying.
QUOTE(Robert @ Dec 22 2007, 10:21 AM) 
Thanks Noodle,
I just read it. I can't say it's surprising to me in any way. Nobody knows how much of this is true, as it seems to be a lot he "she said - she said" and each side will disagree with the other, but in my humble opinion, there is a lot more going on here than what either side has presented to the public.
I just read it. I can't say it's surprising to me in any way. Nobody knows how much of this is true, as it seems to be a lot he "she said - she said" and each side will disagree with the other, but in my humble opinion, there is a lot more going on here than what either side has presented to the public.
Indubitably correct, Robert!!
From what I read from Marys statement is that she hasnt seen Fox and family? Was they research partners? Couldnt she grab a camera and snap a pic of them? Why go ahead and put your name on a book with no evidence when she stated she had doubts from the start?
Damage control.
Too late for damage control, in my opinion. 
I do not believe Mary Green will ever be able to get out from under this fantastic, painfully ridiculous drama.
And I can't believe we are giving Janice Carter a forum to continue her delusions.
I do not believe Mary Green will ever be able to get out from under this fantastic, painfully ridiculous drama.
And I can't believe we are giving Janice Carter a forum to continue her delusions.
Janice sounds like a wingnut to me.. I've always thought that ever since I saw that episode of Is It Real? on the National Geographic Channel.. she strikes me as someone who is just wanting attention and money.. she could be a pathological liar..that's my opinion..I wouldn't publish anything she says..
Well, here's a little Abnormal Psychology 101 for you.
Sometimes when a person has had a traumatizing experience early in life the mind distances itself from the occurrence or ongoing situation. I can happen in a number of ways. One is to sublimate the trauma, whereby it is effectively 'forgotten'. This is just like amnesia. The person simply never remembers it ever happening.
However, sometimes (albeit rarely) the mind splinters off and creates another reality. This parallel world works out an explanation for the trauma, not what really happened, but another version entirely. In extreme cases the person might even be able to go back and forth, visiting both worlds, the real world we all live in, and the psychotic world that they have created for themselves. Both worlds seem equally real to the person who has this condition.
Now, I am not saying that this is the case here, but it kind of makes you wonder.
Sometimes when a person has had a traumatizing experience early in life the mind distances itself from the occurrence or ongoing situation. I can happen in a number of ways. One is to sublimate the trauma, whereby it is effectively 'forgotten'. This is just like amnesia. The person simply never remembers it ever happening.
However, sometimes (albeit rarely) the mind splinters off and creates another reality. This parallel world works out an explanation for the trauma, not what really happened, but another version entirely. In extreme cases the person might even be able to go back and forth, visiting both worlds, the real world we all live in, and the psychotic world that they have created for themselves. Both worlds seem equally real to the person who has this condition.
Now, I am not saying that this is the case here, but it kind of makes you wonder.
Must......fight.......urge........to.......post......one-liner........or.......insane comment........................must........fight......urge!
imho the book 50 beers oops i mean years is just a work of fiction and this whole mg v/s jc crap is just a way to drum up publicity for a couple of attention hungry people and there getting a 4 course meal now
As much as it pains me to say it, I'm rather proud of Mary for finally...FINALLY admitting that she was duped, lied to and used by Janice Carter Coy.
Stick a fork in it Jan, you're done.
Stick a fork in it Jan, you're done.
hey noodle jayleed everyone oboy wow very interesting new thread indeed... thanks bill 
Mary Green has been crying on everyone" shoulders that I know for a year now. I have been out with Janice in the fields researching and I can tell you that this woman is the real deal. I have seen Fox and family come up after she has called them in. Can Mary do that? From everything I have been told the answer is NO! Wake up Mary and get a life.
From everything I have been told the answer is NO! Wake up Mary and get a life.
Raygirl,
Got any pictures?
Got any pictures?
QUOTE(raygirl @ Dec 22 2007, 05:38 PM)
Mary Green has been crying on everyone" shoulders that I know for a year now. I have been out with Janice in the fields researching and I can tell you that this woman is the real deal. I have seen Fox and family come up after she has called them in. Can Mary do that? From everything I have been told the answer is NO! Wake up Mary and get a life.
From everything I have been told the answer is NO! Wake up Mary and get a life.Can you back up those assertions with dates, locations, and something more than "just trust me"? You have photos or ?
QUOTE(Pywacket @ Dec 22 2007, 02:16 PM)
Too late for damage control, in my opinion.
I do not believe Mary Green will ever be able to get out from under this fantastic, painfully ridiculous drama.
And I can't believe we are giving Janice Carter a forum to continue her delusions.
I do not believe Mary Green will ever be able to get out from under this fantastic, painfully ridiculous drama.
And I can't believe we are giving Janice Carter a forum to continue her delusions.
I tend to agree, especially with the last statement. Although I certainly don't condone any type of censorship. Kinda of a catch 22
Sorry Guys but I am under NDA contact with Nermanuh Enterprises. I cannot give out information or release photos footage or any other documentation.
Of course.
Well, we'll just have to wait for Nermanuh Enterprises to release the BIG MOVIE, or the BIG BOOK, I suppose, right? Which is it going to be? And when?
Well, we'll just have to wait for Nermanuh Enterprises to release the BIG MOVIE, or the BIG BOOK, I suppose, right? Which is it going to be? And when?
I just had a monkey shoot out of my ass. I'd love to discuss it and show you our home movies but I have an NDA with the flying pigs that sublet the apartment under me and the dragon in my garage.
QUOTE(raygirl @ Dec 22 2007, 06:02 PM)
Sorry Guys but I am under NDA contact with Nermanuh Enterprises. I cannot give out information or release photos footage or any other documentation.
Did Fox and family sign that same agreement?
He does have an opposable thumb you know.
And a pet bird.........
Would someone please advise this woman, Mary A. Green to please spill the beans. I and a lot of others involved here with me have the goods on her and her number. Go for it!!!! Please!!! I'm dying to publicly announce things about her that no one would think possible of this sweet innocent crippled up old vindictive lady.
As far as the Sierra Sounds go I could not at the time when furnished with a cd in monotone hear what the bigfoot were saying on the recordings. I am deaf in my left ear and partially deaf in my right. When I purchased the second CD of the Sierra Sounds it is in stereo and I can hear what the bigfoot are saying if I turn it up as loud as it will go and listen to it through head phones.
No I never gave Mary the information or identities of the rape victim or people involved. Why should I I never trusted her to begin with. However I did give this information to Paul on here in a private e-mail so that he could check this out for himself. I do not think Paul would stoop to the level Mary Green will and announce to the world every little sicking detail of this poor girls life. So in that you can bet I sure did lie to Mary Green if you want to call with holding information a lying. This woman is not to be trusted as far as you can throw her.
Air it Mary. Please, Please, please. Lets see how you like that jail house rock. I am not the only one with a pending law suit against you.
Thank you,
Jan
As far as the Sierra Sounds go I could not at the time when furnished with a cd in monotone hear what the bigfoot were saying on the recordings. I am deaf in my left ear and partially deaf in my right. When I purchased the second CD of the Sierra Sounds it is in stereo and I can hear what the bigfoot are saying if I turn it up as loud as it will go and listen to it through head phones.
No I never gave Mary the information or identities of the rape victim or people involved. Why should I I never trusted her to begin with. However I did give this information to Paul on here in a private e-mail so that he could check this out for himself. I do not think Paul would stoop to the level Mary Green will and announce to the world every little sicking detail of this poor girls life. So in that you can bet I sure did lie to Mary Green if you want to call with holding information a lying. This woman is not to be trusted as far as you can throw her.
Air it Mary. Please, Please, please. Lets see how you like that jail house rock. I am not the only one with a pending law suit against you.
Thank you,
Jan
You know how everybody has that one part of the family that never gets invited to gatherings because everyone knows they don't know how to act right?
I don't know if he signed one or not. I hope he did because he is a peeping tom. He has seen me in the bathroom, and in the bedroom. It is a little upsetting to see him being nosy and seeing what I am doing. 
Then do you know by showing your home movies you are breaking your NDA
QUOTE(Bitter Monk @ Dec 22 2007, 06:10 PM)
I just had a monkey shoot out of my ass. I'd love to discuss it and show you our home movies but I have an NDA with the flying pigs that sublet the apartment under me and the dragon in my garage.
Then do you know by showing your home movies you are breaking your NDA
Did I see a truck parked around here with a couple of guys dressed in white with those really big butterfly nets? 
Oh and another thing where is my darn portion of the money off of the last two years books sells? And I want proof you did not sell any in the previous years that you did not pay me for Mary. I know you read this forum even if you don't have the guts to post on here for yourself.
Jan
Jan
QUOTE(mkianni @ Dec 22 2007, 06:22 PM)
Did I see a truck parked around here with a couple of guys dressed in white with those really big butterfly nets?
Maybe Maybe
QUOTE(Bitter Monk @ Dec 22 2007, 03:10 PM)
I just had a monkey shoot out of my ass. I'd love to discuss it and show you our home movies but I have an NDA with the flying pigs that sublet the apartment under me and the dragon in my garage.
Sam, your above statement is probably the most accurate representation of the facts. You crack me up.
QUOTE(Janice Carter @ Dec 22 2007, 06:24 PM)
Oh and another thing where is my darn portion of the money off of the last two years books sells? And I want proof you did not sell any in the previous years that you did not pay me for Mary. I know you read this forum even if you don't have the guts to post on here for yourself.
Jan
Jan
Sounds to me like you need to seek some advice from a good attorney Janice.
ahhh could this be the reason for the split between them? $$$$$$$$
Obviously this thread is going nowhere. Therefore, I'm closing it. There's been information given out for you reading pleasure, but it seems no one can provide any proof to back up the personal accusations made here.
I'll bring it up with the other admin and mods whether this thread should continue.
I'll bring it up with the other admin and mods whether this thread should continue.
QUOTE(Janice Carter @ Dec 22 2007, 11:15 PM)
No I never gave Mary the information or identities of the rape victim or people involved. Why should I I never trusted her to begin with. However I did give this information to Paul on here in a private e-mail so that he could check this out for himself. I do not think Paul would stoop to the level Mary Green will and announce to the world every little sicking detail of this poor girls life.
I know it is bad form for a moderator to post to a locked thread, but I couldn't let this one go.
Janice did not email me the girl's details, but eventually sent me another email which did include the girl's name. This week I contacted the institution where Janice claims she is still living, and surprise, surprise, she isn't there, and never has been.
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