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Dogfoot
He is on p50 of the current (Dec) issue, a 2 page story.

An abbreviated version in digital format ($$ for whole story) at:

http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=P...087C6C1D72078A9

Also, fyi, a discussion on Sasquatch DNA from an earlier edition:

http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?i...DC683414B7FFE87
Hominid,WA
Freakin Bison. And to think I was starting to get excited. dry.gif
Apeman
We've got this covered here in the thread on Meldrum's paper.
Hairy Man
This is very seriously cool...almost worth the $4.95 to buy the issue!!
peregrine
QUOTE(Dogfoot @ Nov 30 2007, 08:29 PM) *
He is on p50 of the current (Dec) issue, a 2 page story.

An abbreviated version in digital format ($$ for whole story) at:

http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=P...087C6C1D72078A9

Is it the same as this article?
Hairy Man
That appears to be the full article...for free! Thank you for sharing peregrine!
billgreen2005bigfoot
very informative new article about dr.jeff meldrum A++. thanks bill thumbup.gif
robo
That is an interesting article, and it's significant that it's in SA, which while not actually a scientific journal, is hugely influential, since it's read by scientists of all stripes.
HarryHenderson
"...argues Jeffrey Meldrum--a position he holds despite ostracism from his fellow anthropologists and university colleagues..."
"...To Meldrum’s critics—including university colleagues and scientists in his own field..."
"...Meldrum, who has been lambasted by colleagues and passed over for promotion twice..."
"...Both researchers collaborate with Meldrum even though they do not accept his hypothesis that a large apelike creature exists..."
"...it appears some in his community are beleaguered by his exhortation that more researchers accept his interpretations or become involved..."
"...The fringe has produced wonderful science, and it has produced wonderfully abysmal science. It has never been a comfortable place to live..."

I'm not sure if the emphasis is sympathetic, matter-of-fact or derisive. I've argued before that Meldrum specifically is in a very precarious position; and not because his interest is 'cosmically' wrong (scientifically or otherwise). It's just not status quo. His only hope of escaping the pointing and giggling is he, or somebody, is going to have to show up with an actual body and soon. Then again, he's already tossed the dice, he knows he's either going to be a god or a goat.
mike2k1
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Then again, he's already tossed the dice, he knows he's either going to be a god or a goat.


Do you think Krantz is/was in that position or did he manage to duck that bullet all together?





I do know he's no longer alive but his reputation is and he did stick his neck out.
HarryHenderson
I've thought about that too. It's a good question. I would say no, or at least not exactly. There is a key difference, Krantz really didn't have the 'internet' hounding his ass like Meldrum has. Krantz was public about it and he wasn't apologetic at all, but he really had nobody regularly doggin' him. Meldrum's has virtually 24/7. If there is/was a credibility difference, I'd like to know what it was.
mike2k1
I understand where you are coming from, but Krantz did have a mountain of speculation in his work and seems to be more revered by a good portion of people. Do you think if Meldrum didn't have the internet community following him like we do, he would or could have the same line of appreciation Krantz seems to have or maybe there wouldn't be as much pressure on him. I wonder if the opposite might be true...
robo
I think they were in rather similar positions. Sadly Krantz died before there was any resolution to the issue. It remains to be seen if anything will be revealed in Meldrum's lifetime...
mike2k1
I do wonder the same thing. If the animal is discovered to exist it would prove they were not nuts(at least to their peers), but I wonder how much speculation it would truly clear up or if you would have another mountain of speculation to wade through.
Melissa
QUOTE(mike2k1 @ Dec 6 2007, 09:47 PM) *
I understand where you are coming from, but Krantz did have a mountain of speculation in his work and seems to be more revered by a good portion of people. Do you think if Meldrum didn't have the internet community following him like we do, he would or could have the same line of appreciation Krantz seems to have or maybe there wouldn't be as much pressure on him. I wonder if the opposite might be true...


I think Dr. Krantz would have been beaten up just as badly. How would we know if he did or didnt suffer the same problems as Meldrum. He could have, and maybe Dr. Krantz just never discussed it widely.
Sac-squatch
Good article, and I believe both sides were fairly represented.
Squonksquatch
QUOTE(Melissa @ Dec 7 2007, 08:13 AM) *
I think Dr. Krantz would have been beaten up just as badly. How would we know if he did or didnt suffer the same problems as Meldrum. He could have, and maybe Dr. Krantz just never discussed it widely.


A columnist in the Spokane paper (Spokesman Review) used to bash Grover mercilessly. Granted it wasn't a "peer to peer" bashing, but the guy was just a plain jerk. Claimed Krantz was an embarrassment to WSU and the region. I wanted BF to exist just so the guy could eat crow.
HarryHenderson
Said newspaper columnist was apparently unaware (they're ALL unaware) that newpaper columnists are a dime a dozen and their opinions are usually even cheaper. The age of the righteous and revered 'newspaper columnist' is over and has been for many years. They're now mostly just party line advocates with nary an original thought. There's definitely more than a few that really should find different jobs.
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