I just noticed that MM is planning to conduct 22 new expedtions in 2008. I find this interesting in that, to my knowledge, this will be the most expo's conducted by the BFRO in one year. What do you all think of this? Is it a concerted effort to unlock this mystery once and for all? Or this an indication of a business venture taking its next step in increasing net profits?

That's 22 more chances for the truth to be revealed.

Nice one!

Don't tug on Superman's wallet...........

^^What he said!

I would hope that the motivation for the increase is to seek the truth, whatever that may be. It is hard to say when speaking of MM, however, I have confidence in many of the other folks involved in this org. that in my opinion, are the only reason it is still operating at a respectable level. I can only hope that one of them gets to the bottom of this phenomenon....

Without even a hint of BFRO bashing, who else thinks that with such a busy schedule and all that fine new equipment, they should finally be coughin' up one of them there Bigfoots we all keep chit-chattin about? They've apparently already been 'oh so close' numerous times, shouldn't this new wave of BFRO Bigfoot Sweeps™ finally bring forth something more substantial than a 'hey guys what did I miss' story (an instant classic) in another thread? Well, now I'm expecting the entire mystery will be officially solved by this time next year.
Our thanks and gratitude in advance. Good work guys.

Hold it....was that sarcasm???

Do not forget they did give us the pancake video :-)

Or 22 more chances for MM to stay solvent before his 2 year ARM mortgage resets.

Completely aside from the issues of MM's integrity or true goals, I'm impressed that there is enough interest to support 22 expeditions in a year. The BFRO seems to have hit on quite an adventure tourism niche.

And Matt's name becomes more and more apt...

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

22 X 300 = 6600 if only one person goes on each, or 13200 per vehicle if there is more than one person per vehicle. I think there is good chance of $132,000-plus being brought in. If there were 40 people you'd have to guess there's at least 10 cars, but maybe 15 or 20 and at that point you're over a quarter-million dollars. I guess they're paying for those thermal cameras.

"Some expeditions are limited to 15 people. Other expeditions may involved a combined force of 100 participants (both seasoned and newbies) spread out in the terrain, and in touch via walkie-talkie." -BFRO

Its a wonder with all of the money being tossed his way why he has not invested in his own equipment... Lord knows that 3G NV goggles, infrared cameras, etc. would go along way in helping the cause. To my knowledge, all of the equipment used on these expos's are brought by participants... I guess what I am getting at is that a lack of consistent equipment being available to the BFRO would also lead to inconsistent findings on these missions. Why not invest some of this money into equipment?

I believe if you look up the definition of "surgical", you'll find the above quote.

How long before we start seeing adds in the backs of magazines like Men's Journal" and "Outside" or "Backpacker" for these cashfests?? Man, with that many folks combing the woods they oughta find a chupacabra and the Loch Ness monster to boot! MM should expand his market a little, diversify....

The BFRO has an "investor" (a well off business man interested in the creature) who has purchased two thermal imagers (right now in the possession of a single member) and a score of professional level audio recorders for participants to use. Other than that, I don't believe equipment has been purchased for the participants to use. IMHO, I wouldn't purchase equipment for participants to use (except smaller inexpensive items) because people tend to not take care of items that don't belong to them...and the equipment likes to walk....

I understand where you are coming from Harry, and it is true, the potential for damage or pilferage of the equipment exists when dealing with strangers.... Is it not possible to entrust a few key members of the group to monitor the equipment? We may be getting off track here, but wouldn't it seem logical to assign the expensive equipment to a few members of the BFRO, who could then share these gadgets with the other "newbies".... Anyway, I still think it is interesting that they have the next 12 months mapped out this far in advance...

Well first, it's Hairy Man...not Harry (I'm not a guy). And yes, I believe the BFRO is entrusting several key members with the expensive equipment. As I stated, one member is currently in charge of two thermal cameras purchased by the BFRO's investor. I'm sure there are other members that have some special equipment as well. My only point was that it makes sense to me not to be purchasing equipment for expedition participants due to damage and losses.

I do not have a problem with them making money to take people on camping trips. I mean if someone is foolish enough to pay that much to go camping and get nothing in return then that is their problem. What my problem with the whole thing is that something seems to happen on every trip. If the BFRO is that good at telling where a Bigfoot will be at any given time then why can they not find some real proof ?
Then add in the fact that they do not want anyone armed and to me that says it is because they do not want anyone getting shot, meaning who ever it would be that was being shot at for making Bigfoot related sounds.

Sorry Hairy.... We could discuss the policies of this org until we are blue in the face, your point is understood and well taken. Another quick tid bit.... Why not assemble a "crack" team of the best BF researchers to utilize this equipment to bring forth proof of the creatures existence? Cut out the newbies, and set-up a private expo for the best of the best... lord knows he has the funds for it, considering he has a financial backer.... makes me wonder what old MM is really motivated by...

From my post on thread:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...0689&st=250

Here’s my take. I have been a member of the BRFO forum for a while. I think it is a place were you will find most members want to believe in BF. So any blob you will see is…..BF. I clearly believe this is a bear. When I saw the photos no feeling of angst came over me like does every time I see the Paterson Film, that and the fact that the cubs were in the previous photos. OK, copyright the photos, but show them all! What are we not seeing? It’s like their expeditions; they always have something of value, but never show it. Seems like a marketing ploy. You throw out the line and chum the waters, fish will come. Could this be a chumming event? PF hits 40, PA, OH, and WVA expeds are planned and then I read this, (I remember you, Ace, from over there) http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...mp;#entry405982
Seems fishy to me.
I hope it is a BF, but it is a bear, seen too many of them. They are quite nimble and can move and contort quite well. Granted hype is good, but this is getting way too much play over there as the Holy Grail.

Could it be that his attendance has bottomed out and he is trying to make up for it with more expeditions?

I think its the latter of the two choices.

22... In Blackjack we call that a bust!

I think the same term is used in forest frolicking also.

Looks like they took that information down. Maybe it appeared the same way to someone there that realized how "commercial" it might look.

hey everyone im just wondering if the bfro will ever do any expos in connecticut in near future. thanks bill please keep me posted... ok.

Huh, back up. I guess they're making a lot of changes right now to the site.

I'm a neebie here, but I'm interested in doing a BFRO Expedition. But it seems that many on this site have little respect for BFRO's organization. Am I foolish to plunk down $300 for the experience??

It would be better to take a few friends and share the cost,
as long as you go into it with a skeptical eye you will be fine,
ask questions, learn, don't be opinionated like me and make
some new friends, things will be ok. I would suggest you try an area close to
home to begin. Things can be disorganized on some of their outings
esp. noted on Wyoming/Utah ones I was aware of recently when I say that.
Then, do your own research and know that there
are other regional organizations and national ones that can take
you as far or further. My mistake was looking them up first on
the one-stop shop. Wouldn't even have made a report to them
if I were to do it again. Welcome to the forum. I like the BFRO sighting
database on their website and I think that is there strong suit except for
access to some nice equipment on their expeditions such as thermal viewers and
recorders.

That's actually a good question catwill2. Despite my derision of them, I am still curious as to exactly what happens on these gigs. I don't buy that they're always finding Bigfoot, but apparently something is happening and we here at CONTROL™ need to get to the bottom of if before KAOS™ does. If I ever do go, I hope I get a speaking part. "What did I miss guys?"

Give it a shot. You might enjoy yourself. If you decide to take the leap, give us a shout when you return and share your experiences.

One of my LE friends from the US is going to go on one of these expeditions. He will be wearing a hidden mic so as to record exactly what is being said and done 24/7.
Ain't technology grand?

Shouldn’t have said that. Could lead to pat downs and sweeps with wands to detect bugs.


Let us know what she/he learns.

As a former attendee, I would save the $300 and buy yourself a top-of-the-line GPS unit to use in the field while on your own. You will get much more use our of that than watching ole moneymaker hoot and holler into the night...

It's all about the Benjamin's baby.

I'd consider going if they had one near me. I think that I would enjoy talking BF and seeing their approach in the field and I like to be outdoors anyway. I'd also like to hear about their experiences...to kind of compare to what I've seen/experienced, although I don't know that I'd share as they aren't really happy memories more disturbing and upsetting memories that I wish I could purge out of my brain. I think that I'd be better off without them, LOL! See without that stuff in my brain I could spend my time on soooo many other things instead of this whole frustrating, is it real or a hoax, BF BS!

$300 dollars for what?? You must provide your own food, shelter and transportation and I doubt they will let anyone not involved in the organization of the trip, use they fancy equipment.. that is called camping.. NO WAY would I pay $300 dollars to go camping..and still have to provide everything..

For less $300 dollars you could take a few friends, scream like a big foot all night and go hiking without paying bfro.. and have a better chance at encountering something..
usually here in Wyoming camgrounds are free until Memorial day weekend..if not its about $10 dollars a night per sight..

I figure if there are 45 people on one 4 day trip that is $13,500.00 for one outing..WOW I am in the wrong job..

Have you ever thought about 45 people in one area, in the woods... even bears and coyotes would steer clear..to many people.

Yeah, but you're forgetting about their valuable knowledge and insight, which no doubt will teach you things of which you could only dream.

Catwill2 welcome to the BFF.
Personaly I would save my money and use it for nightvision equipment or other gear. Based off what I have read in the reports the bfro have a very bad habit of reporting every bump in the night as bigfoot.

oh yeah

It is obvious to me that with increased financing and an increased network
of researchers they are making an obsessive assault on an attempt to "be in
the right place at the right time" doing thermal recording. However, if these are
all public expeditions and not private ones, I don't know how they are going to pull
it off if there are as many people as there were on the utah expeditions, too many
people. SC expedition was a more in-house experience with BFRO leaders as best I could tell yet they
didn't come up with anything on film.

Hi Catwill2, save the 300 dollars and use it to buy your own gear, as an ex-attendee its not worth it. Find others in your area with an interest in bigfoot and just take a hike somewhere,with your camera of course. Your in Colorado which has a decent history of bigfoot sightings so take advantage of the free land and explore. Search other bigfoot websites and read sighting report locations for colorado. They may not be exact but may steer you to a general area. Ask forestry workers in these areas about reports. It would be better in a small group than 40-50 people scaring away any wildlife. If not you may end up asking yourself, What did I get for my 300.00 dollars?

I'm trying to push myself away from this forum for personal reasons but sometimes I just can't help popping in to see what's new.



rockinkt,

How about talking your friend into packing a concealed gun along with that mic... for personal protection of course

If word got out (and I'm sure it will) that "Someone" was going to attend an expeditions and sneaking a gun in without knowing which expeditions.... my bet is that the expeditions will have very few if any "events" taking place.

My personal thought is MM is a MM

Cut4sign

From what I heard, I think Colorado might be worth it.

I am really thinking about going on one a trip with the bfro.I just want to see what it really is happening and am willing to pay even if it is on public land.my plan would be just to take my my tree stand and set it up in a good spot and sit there at night.I should not really mock there efforts until i try it myself who know knows with luck I might get this creature on film.I just hope they let me bring my dog and that my pistol for protection just incase i am attacked while I am in the tree but my bear spray would primary and my pistol would be secondary.My dog would be there just for company.But I would also be ther as a investigator investgating the invetgators as well as trying to come up with proof of this creature.But my main purpose is to find evidence of this creature and to make contact without harming it.But it is up to what the Bfro rules and if they refuse then i will go to another area.

How much does it cost to go with the experts?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my email 2 months ago.

Used to be $150, then they got greedy and its $300 for you and some
friends in a car or RV. believerwy posted cost info. yesterday in a post about
one oclock too

First - you have to find an "expert"...