This is quoted from Richard La Monica's comments about the recording he made in Ohio in the early 90's, which I am sure you have all heard:



If this translation is correct, it's very telling about the sasquatch culture. It says to me that they are extremely wary, almost to the point of paranoia, about being watched, or that they are secretively always watching us. Either way, it reveals their very secretive nature.

Why do I point out the obvious? Because it may explain why we have not been able to photograph or capture one. Their entire way of life is focused on avoiding detection by humans.

It is their "raison d'etre". Sorry if I spelled that wrong. Our Canadian members can correct me.

Hi,

So, am I to determine from this theory that the Sasquatch was speaking in a American Indian
dialect? Sorry, that is just silly. I would think the key word was "sounds like". Not buying into this.
But of course these animals are wary of humans, so are ALL animals. We tend to kill.

Can someone explain to me how Chief Graycoat is able to translate supposed Sasquatch sounds into English?




Their entire way of life? I find this hard to believe.


Edit, correction on name

There are a lot of reports of bigfoot "talking" one to another. No one has ever definitely been able to prove that they are speaking in a real language, but several have stated that it sounded like a dialect of Native American tongues, such as Algonquin and Cherokee. Historically it makes sense, since many of the early Native American stories make claims to have been in pretty regular contact with the giant hairy people of the forest.

All societies have a cultural history, and pre-literate cultures pass down knowledge by oral tradition. Usually an elder tells the stories of what happened in the olden days, and passes on the wisdom of the culture. If these creatures do talk, and if they are some kind of anthropomorphic beings, with many human-like qualities, who's to say what kinds of stories they pass down? In my fervid imagination I can hear a harsh old sasquatch telling the youngsters stories about how dangerous and evil humans are, and the best ways to hide from us, and this becomes a part of their "modus operandi" for life.

Maybe I'm just crazy, but to me it makes sense.

I have said this before, anybody that thinks these creatures have "human-like qualities" has never seen one.

No, Py, I have never seen one. I would be very interested to hear your description of the one you saw.

Most, if not all of the stories I've read concerning native American contact with Sasquatch pretty much had the Native Americans either running for their lives or giving the creatures a very wide birth, again, maybe I need to do more reading or research on this particular subject. Could you point me to some of these early Native American stories you speak of?

From what I have read I don't consider the contact between the native American population and the Sasquatch population to have been enough for a common language to pass between the two.




Aren't we all just a little crazy?

mkianni,

Thanks for the flowers. Here at "the home" we enjoy fresh flowers as they tend to cheer us up a bit.



Indeed, these are the same stories I have read as well. There is nothing in the stories about the native Americans living with the forest people, but there seems to have been a bit of tolerance and acceptance, and they lived together in the same regions, and were very much aware of each other.

Also, there are some stories of women folk being taken by the sasquatch. Did they take them for sexual purposes, or to eat them? Who knows? I rather doubt they were cannibals, but they might have been. Perhaps the women might have lived with them and might have taught them their language. I don't know, I'm just supposing. It was a long long time ago, and I was not there.

My best guess would be curiosity, if these stories were somehow found to be true of course.

Bob, I certainly haven't reviewed the whole thread (10 pages? ), but there may be some stuff HERE to interest you?

Edited to simplify.

Your guess is as good as mine.

Thanks John,

I have already read most of that thread too. Very interesting stuff, and one of my favorite topics.

If they have a real spoken language, they are some kind of humans, albeit very different from us, in my opinion. That's what I keep trying to figure out... are they apes, or humans?

hey everyone great new thread about the ohio sasquatch very interesting. thanks bill

Just spotted this - sorry ROB!

That's OK.

Robert,

I am not doubting that Bigfoot can communicate with each other or have some type of culture. But, I am very sure they do not do so in any Native American dialect. There are also "reports" of them being spirits and aliens, but I think it is safe to say that is also not the case. I have been lucky (or cursed) enough to see a Bigfoot and it looked in my opinion to be an upright walking Ape (hominid).

Thank you JohnCartwright. Your's is the voice of reason.

I've heard Native American stories and read accounts of the people and sasquatch, but I've never read one, that I remember that is, where one of the people carried on a conversation with the bf. These are animals that grunt, moan, scream and howl. How that translates to NA language is beyond me.


JMO of course.

Jaylee,
I'm afraid you forget, but they do speak a language, although not Native American. Remember "Fox" and the lady from Tennessee? He plainly asked for garlic in ENGLISH!

Go ahead an laugh, but you know we have discussed the physiology of speech here before, and there really is no reason why they could not speak, other than if their brains are not wired that way.

I still would like to hear from pywacket:



I wonder what makes him so certain about this. I hope he comes back with an answer.

I agree with you Robert. There are PLENTY of reports that mention 'humanlike' qualities. Go back to William Roe's encounter for evidence of this. Roe even mentioned a 'half language'.

[quote name='Robert' date='Sep 23 2007, 07:04 AM' post='408807']
Go ahead an laugh, but you know we have discussed the physiology of speech here before, and there really is no reason why they could not speak, other than if their brains are not wired that way.

Robert,

Again... I DO BELIEVE they have speech or communication or even a language of some type, but it is
NOT any type of native american or human language.

Lyndon,

They may have "Humanlike qualities" but they are NOT HUMAN. Having seen one, they are animals.
They are a hominid or upright walking ape.

John C,

I never said they were human. I said human-like.

Robert,

Sorry about that, but this thread has been about them using human language.
So when you use that discription it can be confusing. So, are you saying that these
are animals that may be able to use a human language? If so, then that is even more
far fetched.

Not that I subscribe to any theory or assumption that says Bigfoot has the ability to speak human language but your comment begs the question, why would it be so far fetched? Do we know anything about their vocal structure that could lead us to conclude its totally out of the question?

Mkianni,

No, seeing as we know very little about these animals in general, how would we know much about the vocal structure? Yet, having heard several supposed recordings of thier calls, Yes, it is far fetched. IMO it is weird, unscientific theory's like these that cause
deserved ridicule from the general sceintific commnity. Also, if they could speak in a human dialect, who is to say that they are understanding the meaning, and not just mimicking the sounds like a parrott. A goriilla has been taught sign language, but does it know what it is communicating or just copying what it was taught to get a reward? To be fair, YES anything is possible, but we need to look to more logical answers to these questions.

I agree, and I usually do.
Never hurts to ask how others come to their conclusions no matter what side of the fence they reside. Processing what I can from both sides can give me a better understanding of the whole.

Well, I didn't say they are human. I don't think they are. I just refuted that they have no 'humanlike' qualities and we do have to wager in that quite a few alleged witnesses describe 'humanlike' qualities in them. That is different to them actually being human.

Here chicky chicky

I brought this up, and I have discussed it in another way before this, under "Vocalizations". Read this and you will see what I mean about the physiological possibility of speech:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=19974

There are a lot of reports of them talking, and there doesn't seem to be any real proof that they don't, or can't use speech to communicate.

Also, look at this thread:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...mp;#entry134040

African Grey parrots mimic, but they also talk, dolphins "talk", apes use sign language, and yes, most of it is just a form of mimicry to get the reward, but if you have ever read Coco's story you would know that she went far beyond that in her signing.

This from an article I have posted on Alabama Bigfoot Research:
***

We call this creature Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Swamp-ape, Wooley Booger, Hairy Man and Monster.

The name Sasquatch is an Americanized translation of a Salish word that means Wild Man of the Woods.

****

Here are some of the names used for these creatures by some of the southern tribes (Native Americans):

eeyachuba (wild man) - Alabama-Coushatta

ha'yacatsi (lost giants) - Caddo

kecleh-kudleh (hairy savage) - Cherokee

nun yunu wi (the stone man) - Cherokee

lofa (smelly, hairy being that could speak) - Chickasaw

kashehotapalo (cannibal man) - Choctaw

nalusa falaya (big giant) - Choctaw

shampe (monster giant) – Choctaw

honka (hairy man) - Creeks

yeahoh (monster) – Mosopelea

Special thanks to Kathy Moskowitz Strain for the hard work and research in providing this list. Kathy has a M.A. in Anthropology and is a forest archaeologist for the Stanislaus National Forest in Sonora, California. Her main research interest involves the traditional Native American stories involving the "Hairy Man," as well as the application of archaeological methods to the study of bigfoot.

With that said..I also would like to throw this in the ring for discussion. I say they talk and here is what one of them sounds like:

http://www.alabamabigfoot.com/bigfoot/soun...ALABAMATALK.mp3

I would also like for someone to explain that little dog barking tune before "whatever it is" speaks. I would also like everyones idea on what that loud bark (I used the word bark because I don't have any other to describe it) at the beginning of the recording and what it was that sounded just like it in the distance..in a reply to that sound.

Mike (watch1)

Watch1,

Uhmmm...just what the heck do these Native American Bigfoot names have to dowith this topic? Who cares what the Indians call them? Does it matter what they are called or WHAT they are? We were discussing how they may communicate. Maybe others will find this list informative. Now the sounds were interesting.

John,
Did you take notice to what he highlighted in bold red print? If I'm not mistaken I believe this is the point of the post.

Well..I wanted to show that I have done my research for one thing. The other reason I posted it was that the main one (name in red) lofa (smelly, hairy being that could speak) - Chickasaw .. was known by the Native Americans and even they knew it could speak.

Mike (watch1)

Mkianni,

Thanks, I did miss that, but I get it now. But, just because Native Americans and anyone else may think it sounds like they are talking does not mean they were or are talking in human language.




Mike,

Yes I'm sorry. I get it. I missed the red highlight.

i cannot believe they have the ability to speak any language.they may be a wise animal and can mimic but they do not have reasoning power.this is silly.

How do you know that?

There are no absolutes in squatchery.

we are the ones with reasoning, not wild animals, if they had the ability to learn and use a language then there existence would not be questioned.

sassfoot,

Please take a minute and read the first post I made to start off this thread, and the 4th post I made, and then respond to that. I'm curious if you have any thoughts that pertain to the real thesis of my original posting.

As usual, this thread has gone a bit off the original topic.

robert.
i have read your posts 1st and 4th.them being elusive is very evident and the parent teaching the young to avoid man(its only threat)i am sure happens and i'm sure they communicate in all aspects.there cannot be any intelligence there.just a wild beast surviving.

Intelligence and speech aren't synonymous.

Well said Monk. That reminds me, I need to register to vote.

Sassfoot,

I have been trying to explain that to him for about 2 days now. Maybe you can take over now.

just grunts ,moans and hollers no speech.i believe the young are taught by the mother same as a bear and its cubs.

Alright then. Man, you guys are hard to sway. How do you explain those reports that describe them as talking?

I know, just more lies, or craziness.

ah..never mind;)

i have heard several recordings of this and i cannot figure it either but not enough is known about the animal to say it possess structured speech.

Or, that it dosen't.

Agreed. This argument can have no logical conclusion for its rooted in mounds of assumption.