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Now for humor/drama, read more here: http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?fo...hreadid=1696820

More quotable quotes...

"No, Matt wasn't with us in the beginning when all that happened. After the last rock throwing incident Robert called him on his cell phone back at the hotel he was staying at. It took them about half an hour to get there." -Jean

"Sometime during the night we had a visitor. Three of the guys, the ones not in their vehicles, were awakened. Dave,in his tent, was awakened by something touching his tent. Adam, in the back of the pickup, heard something walking around the camp. And Robert was awakened by the same thing. Of course the battery in my recorder died before any of this happened so i just got hear about it in the morning."- PBYodeler

"Daveillig, are you saying that a Sasquatch gently touched you while you lay in your tent or did you mean it was a gentle mental overpowering (infra sound) so that you could not get up or feel completely alert?" - CKnaub

I'm glad that everyone got back safe.

oh good GOD, paralyzing infra-noise???

It's called FEAR, dude, plain and simple.

I wonder if Matt wanders around in the dark chucking rocks to make his $400 expeditions worth while???

Just a thought.

hey everyone interesting new thread i have big feeling this thread is definetly going to have alot replys & comments in it. thanks bill. i realy like this thread name its catchy lol kinda reminds of the tv serie touched by a angel lmao. hehe.. im sure the bfro will go on more expeditions now..

(Above emphasis mine) I've had those thoughts myself, BC. Seems like every time they have an expedition, something extremely interesting happens. Things regularly happen for their clients that rarely happen on expeditions held by other groups. Hey, I'm just sayin'...

It's good to know this expedition knows what they did not see, record or photograph. In the future, if I want to hear about paralyzing infra-noises I'll go talk to my neighbor who had alot of bad acid trips in his younger days.

I like you 'hopeful', you really do seem to get it. I find it hard to believe he's NOT chucking rocks after the 'suckers', I mean paying participants, go to bed. I mean really, what the heck is Moneymaker doing at a motel 30 minutes away? I know we regularly laugh at these clowns for the insanity that it all APPARENTLY is...and yet every bit of it is deserved.

I can just see him standin' around the motel and the guy in room 69 asks him what he's up to tonight, "Oh I'm on a hunt for the elusive and profitable Bigfoot...supposedly. But anyway, Bigfoot shmigfoot, we'll be tappin a keg of Pabst later in my room to celebrate another Bigfoot success story, wanna come on down?" "You are? Far out man!" At then about 2:30 AM, just when everyone is feeling 'merry' and jumping for 'joy' <wink wink>, he gets the dreaded call - "Hey Matt, Bigfoot just ran through my tent and peed on my sleeping bag, what do we do?" "I don't know Shmedley, call your Coleman tent rep I guess, just QUIT CALLING ME, I'm BUSY!" Click.

hey harry thats a great above reply. bill. hey bluegenes welcome to bigfootforums great reply as well.

I've been trying to withhold judgement but these expeditions are really starting to sound silly.

Maybe they did have a bigfoot pass by. But we will never know if everyone is in their truck or tent. Or the thermo cameras are not hooked up to a recording device. And if the batteries are running down - you replace the blikity-blank batteries before they go dead, not sit on your thumbs. (It's only a 3-4 day trip, have a reserve of batteries)

I'm sorry, but I have tried to keep an open mind as much as I could - concidering the claims made by the BFRO information oficer aka "Bigfoot Bob". But I am getting tired of all these 'near misses' when I have seen people here bring in much better reports without the numbers and equiptment that the BFRO has at its finger tips, and stand here and get blasted defending their story. Something that Matt and a number of his cronies will not do.

I know there are some very good people out there in the BFRO. I know and concider some of them friends. But the guys at the top of the food chain in the BFRO are giving them a bad reputation. Unfortunatly there is guilt by association. And I feel really sorry for my friends.

I've said before and i'll say again that i do hold out a faint hope that Matt, true to his name, has realized that by hosting these dog and pony shows for groups of credulous and deep-pocketed folks, he can make a lot of money, with which he hopes to buy really cutting edge equipment that will give him the necessary leg up on other researchers and will lead to him being the one credited with 'discovering' Bigfoot.

I base this on the fact that for many years Moneymaker and the BFRO did seem to be an organization on the level, with the serious goal of finding irrefutable evidence for Bigfoot. Since the BFRO has basically been Matt Moneymaker from the beginning, it's not like they are under new management with a goal, AFAIK.

All these expeditions with a 100% success rate in finding Sasquatch evidence are just too fishy to be real.

Now there's a surprise, huh?



So that's how it is now. You know the customers have bigfoot on the brain then you keep them sleep deprived for days on end...no wonder they are seeing and feeling the boogy man through the walls of their tents.



Ah, those campfire stories! Let's scare the shit out of them before they go into the woods then let them just try to go to sleep.



Happens to me every morning around 5:30 a.m.


My lord what a bunch of 'hooey'. And we wonder why the scientific world doesn't take us seriously.

Well, the expeditions have a 100% success rate of incidents that are ATTRIBUTED to sasquatch activity.

Then again, how can you prepare yourself for encountering a sasquatch and collecting data via thermal cameras or other technology when you are a half an hour away at a hotel? While the volunteers and paying customers seem to take field research very seriously, the furor bunks away from the site where purported bigfoot activity occurred. While this is his choice, the message that he sends is clear.

Excellent dedication, resolve and volunteerism on the part of the expedition attendees, but the leadership dropped the ball again (or maybe he left it back at the hotel with the expedition fees stuffed in it).

hey everyone where in usa now are the bfro team looking for possible sasquatch evidence. im just wondering.

What is he doing in a bloody hotel???

That's a joke.

Heck, my old and decepit body would sure prefer to be sleeping in a motel room than out in the cold, damp woods. But I also know that I'm not going to get anything accomplished staying outside of the woods.

I can see it now "No, I'm not a bigfoot researcher - but I did stay at a Holliday Express last night "

Rather classic example of sleep paralysis. You can hear all sorts of noises and feel just about anything during these episodes. I have heard my children screaming (when they weren't) and felt someone laying on my chest (again, nothing there) during episodes of sleep paralysis. Scary stuff.

Anyone else see the similarities between Matt and the boy who cried wolf??

Redwolf

But think of the arrogance of MM, he's staying in a warm hotel with cable while he's charging about 20 suckers $100+ a night to sleep in the cold mountains so he could throw rocks at them.

The man has got b*lls, I'll give him that.

"Infra-sound" - the new and improved flavor of the month.

Assuming his followers have to pay before they can play, why does Matt go on these frolics in the first place?

T O P S E C R E T

BFRO Remote Activity Device

Purpose: Be able to sit in a hotel room at least 50 miles away from main camp site and with WiFi relays and the internet are able to activate catapults, deadfalls, antler clacking and stringed tin can pulls. Remote microphones and infrared video transmission alerts operator as to effectiveness and strategic activation.

Power requirements: 110v 15 amp

Operating system: Windows ME+

Security: Password protected and reverse IP source tracing prevention

OEM: GCBRO

Perhaps because of the following:

1) Collect the fees, make sure the waivers are signed.

2) Screen all participants to make sure that they are all somewhat sane and will not interfere with the pleasure of other paying customers on the trip.

3) Discuss logistical issues with subordinates, what to do and not to do, where to go and where not to go, how to keep the campers happy in case of inclement weather, what campfire stories to tell in order to make the believers believe more, which hypotheses should be addressed without any data to support them (telepathy/infrasound,) etc.

4) Pose for photo opportunities, rile up the plebes with anecdotes of reports and purported sightings, drop in some native American lore for field credibility. After all, he is THE guru of the BFRO, and all who attend his functions will be better in the field than other researchers. Follow him, and he will deliver you into the enlightenment of the TRUTH about bigfoot, no critical thought necessary.

Just speculation!

i have to chuckle at this out of the three people who said they heard this not one looked out to see what was there
one hell of a expedition group there NOCTERNAL


what a crock lol aah my batteries died JUST BEFORE lol song and dance

Hey, that's a good one Rick.

I am a member of the GCBRO. I will be seeing you on Nov 10th down here in Texas. I look forward to visiting with you.

You guys would sell anything to anybody... buying. LOL

Hanging out with the "Man Vs. Wild" guy.

Well, I do carry 200 lbs of plaster around with me. Maybe I can get someone to buy that. LOL

So you're going out into the the wild FOR ONE THING! A singular purpose. You have ONE F-EN JOB! Everything you do that whole weekend is supposed to result in evidence of BF. And you let the batteries run down? You don't bring spares?

Words fail me.

While we were sitting around the fire some of us saw eye shine on the ridge above the camp several times and we could hear rocks and gravel being tossed down the embankment. Again, we had a visitor after we went to bed. I had set up my tent this time but I gave it to one of the others who hadn't brought one of his own. I slept in my car again. I put the fly on the tent this time because it was cloudy and looked like it might rain. There was no wind and I set it up in a sheltered corner of the gravel pit. I woke up about 6 am and got out of the car to answer the call of nature and found the fly from my tent laying on the ground in front of it. Robert's wife, Debra also heard something walking through the camp in the night and asked Robert to put the dog in the van with their kids but he was already in there with them. Whatever took the fly off my tent had to walk right past my car so if it did I think I got it on audio. I just haven't had time to go over the recording yet.

They also had a dog that didn't bark in the night.
Wonder what Sherlock would have to say about that?

I can relate to that feeling of there being a bigfoot in the area feeling thoe.When I was camping once with David Mann And Jim we had left our Camp sight to go the creek to get some water on our way back as we were aproaching our camp sight we notice that there was a figure near our camp fire, it was still day light but the sun was going down and it was getting kind of dark.Well this overwellming feeling came over us and it felt like this figure knew that we were watching it or that we were coming coming back.It let out a series of owl calls and left our camp sight.When we arrived at our camp sight we had found our jar of peanut butter that was missing from the night before,it had no top no lable and it was half eaten .We found the peanut butter jar on the ground next to a tree.Now whether this feeling can be considered infra sound I am not sure but I can discribe the feeling as over whelming and intense.
Mark A

OMG. No way. You're kidding. I can't believe it.

Ok..I'm sort of lost for words here.
If I come up with any, I'll be sure to let ya'll know...

It gets to a point to where all you can say is WTF.

Scenario - during the night someone got up and walked throught the camp to go to the bathroom (bipedal walking). This poor guy bumped into a tent and muttered something under his breath (BF touched my tent and we heard it breathing). He went to the bathroom (# 2) just outside camp (possible foul smell). On the way back, he stumbled on a rock in his path, kicking it into the side of another tent (rock thrown at tent). Because his foot hurt, he grunted as he tripped (bigfoot talk). He made enough noise to awaken a few groggy campers who will now corraborate the story that a creature entered the camp. Because the folks were on a bigfoot expedition - everyone's senses were heightened anyway - so when all of this happened, some people were too afraid to check it out -(infra-sound.) Could a creature have strolled through or around camp - yes. Do BF have or can do "infra-sound" = who really knows? Could my scenario have taken place - you tell me.

I still believe that the only special ability that these creatures have is to somehow always appear as blobsquatches on camera - amazing!

hopefully they didn't collect a stool sample (possible foul smell from just outside camp) to bring home and have anylized.
only to find out it belonged to the stumbling camper, who sheepishly found something else to do while they were collecting it...

Just wondering... is an S.B.D. perhaps an example of infrasound? They certainly are overpowering, scare me half to death, and are immobilizing to small animals and children.

(Sorry, but I had to add to the bull-pucky.)

SBD's are definitely infra-sound - or at least infra-smell

I find it hard to believe anyone would just lie still, (thinking a BF was prowling around) not wanting to WAKE ANYBODY UP. Huh? What the hell were you -- and everyone else -- out there for? Don't you think the rest of them would want to hear what was going on? The only one that would be irritated about being woken up would be MM, probably. Oh yeah, he was off at the hotel. So no worries then.

So apparently the shy reclusive sasquatch is inexplicably drawn to large herds of smell, noisy humans. Man, I've been going about this all wrong!

As for Matt being in a hotel room......You can't sleep in a sleeping bag when its stuffed with cash and checks.....DUH!

Redwolf- you are right.

In this case, it is classic sleep paralysis.

If you go to this website, http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neur...Takahashi.html you will see the events listed in the first line of the paper. And it will be echoed on other sleep paralyisis sites if you want to dig deeper.

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Subject thinks they are awake, but are really in a dream state, semi-awake
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Sleep paralysis, subject is conscious, but body is still in a deep dream state.
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See http://sleepdisorders.about.com/cs/s...a/soundssp.htm


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From the first website above:

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From the first website again:

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You might say, 'yeah, but the other guy heard it too', How many times have you been camping and heard a deer, or a bear or even a raccoon moving around your campsite? I've heard it a lot. So maybe the guy confirmed that he heard footsteps but that could be normal outdoor animal activity.

All of these are symptoms of classic sleep paralysis, and while some are not swayed, the logical people have to see that with five (5) symptoms exactly duplicated in this report, that it can only be attributed to this.

Did you mean, the 'Fuhrer'?

I wonder when they will be able to afford to amp it up to the full blown custom suit made for them, so they can start giving people shaky video evidence. In addition, nobody is going to believe them now if they get real evidence.

I wish I could go on one of these (i.e., have a disposable $400 lying around) so I could rush any rock throwing and catch a BFRO senior 'expert' in the act.

And was the campsite down wind? And perhaps you could read the figure's body language as it suddenly tensed, smelled you, and walked off?

Always go for the simplest explanation first.

i.e., rather than there being a massive coordinated effort by a secret army of hoaxers to fake tracks and dress up in Hollywood quality costumes, with the aim of generating a mythical creature in the woods,

...the simplest explanation is that we have an undiscovered animal in the N.A. woods.

It's called Occam's Razor.

LOL... WinME+

Aw shux... Thanks Harry, you're not so bad yourself.



BC, when you do get a disposable $400 and decide to go, PLEASE let me know! I wouldn't miss that for the world!!! You could sell tickets to that!!!

BC Cryptid
Not to stray to much off topic on this thread But we were down wind from our camp sight if I remember right,but we were talking loud and the glimpes of the figure that we saw looked liked a shadow among the fire light background.That feeling could have been from either the excitement of seeing this thing or maybe it could have let out a low frequency sound that made us feel what we felt that evening.either way we felt something.

For the subject at hand could it be that these folks were had by MM being that MM was not actually in the area where the incident took place.Could it be that MM was giving them there money worth of having a actual encounter.Is this a posibility?And if it is Can MM be a trust worthy reseacher?It just seems odd that some of these incidence that have occured on some of these trips and the money that is payed by some of these folks, MM seems not to be in the general area.If you have a creature in the general area and you know it is close like these folk had why did they not try to further comunicate with this creature and make contact and confirm the sighting.I mean you are out in the field to have a actual sighting of a creature and here you have a creature that is throwing rocks.Is this not a form of comunication.I am sure that this creature is not that far off and if it is that close one should try what they can to make that cantact with that creature.Even thoe we might be scared we have to learn to put our fear to rest.My first contact I was scared but at the same time I was curous at what I was looking at.I know that alot folks here in Michigan do not believe what I saw but I would be willing to make a sworn statement in a court of law if that would help those to believe what I saw.I can not change what I expierance and how the events took place nightwing I live those nights with the encounter of those creatures every night and day.I wish Can help you and not be a out cast here in Michigan I have alot to offer.
Mark A

Yah, I'd love to do with a couple of my buddies from my own club. We'd all have hidden mikes, camcorders, and would of course be armed, no telling how they'd react. We'd make a documentary expose of it. I'm sure the US Park Service would love to know about it, too. I wonder if Canada has similar laws about guides who charge money requiring a license?

There's no way he'd ever let me go, though. He knows who I am, as I'm sure he knows and researches EVERYBODY who goes on those things to make sure they will not endanger his little scam.

It seems to be a moot point since this encounter is obviously Sleep Paralysis, and anything gleaned from 'Bigfoot likes to touch your chest while you are sleeping' is unimportant.

Ha! Henderson, you are right on!

And this from the Michigan expedition. Do we sense a theme?

"(something touched KC trough the tent, probing as if with fingers)."

The theme is "Lets get everyone exhausted, and scare them with bigfoot stories so they don't sleep normally, and they experience sleep paralysis and think something BF is going on"