On the same trip, something apparently threw a 'bitten' shrew at them as they drove down the road. The shrew was cut open and it's guts were hanging out.

Anyone ever hear of a sasquatch throwing it's lunch at you???

Why does this thread make this song come to mind?

I don't want anybody else
When I think about you I touch myself
Ooh I don't want anybody else Oh no, oh no, oh no

What shrewd yet gutsy behaviors that bigfoot exhibited!

I wonder if MM would stay in a hotel if sasquatches threw pancakes at him?! A new form of edible disc golf perhaps?!

THAT would be some great thermal camera footage.

This was the first time I've heard anything about infra sound, is this an excepted phenomenon among the BFRO members?
Not that I even entertain the idea of sasquatch having any 'mystical' powers as such, but still, do they REALLY believe this?

[Didn't see this thread when it was new: the topic itself is a riot, but it only got better when . . . ]

I only just sprayed my LCD with a fresh sip of coffee (plus cream and sugar). I love you, DDR! But not before I rue you for triggering the reason why I'm having to wipe down everything. Everything about that was just dead-on funny. "WiFi relays and the internet". :snort: :cackle:

You forgot to include the 40-bit WEP encryption. Can't be having illicit use of this super-secure node.

You should go over there and check it out. They had a debate (ahmmn) about infrasound. When I stated that the feeling they were experiencing sounded like fear, I was “proven” wrong. Personally, I think infrasound in BF is bunk. Overpowering feelings…really sounds like fear. But I could be wrong, I hear BF can shoot lasers out of his eyes and lightening bolts out his arse. So infrasound could be possible.

I first read about the infra sound idea in Tom Powell's book "The Locals". At first I thought it was ridiculous like some other ideas posited in his book, but then he pointed out that elephants use infra sound to communicate over large distances. I think it has been recently discovered that other large animals also use infra sound, but I couldn't list them from memory...

I'm still highly skeptical, but some believe it to be a possibility.

somebody call over there and recommend the "tin foil hat" for protection against that there "infra sound" thang them there bigfoots use.this is very disheartening for me, for i had at one time held the BFRO in such high regards.

Don't be so fast to laugh without looking it up, it shows your intellectual laziness. Check this out:

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Animal and human reactions to infrasound

Concerning behavioral patterns of animals and the infrasonic effects of natural disasters, it is to be noted that animals can also recognize the infrasonic waves emitted from such natural disasters and can use these as an early warning. A recent example of this is the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake. Animals were reported to flee the area long before the actual tsunami hit the shores of Asia.[3] It is not known for sure if this is the exact reason, as some have suggested that it was the influence of electromagnetic waves, and not of infrasonic waves, that prompted these animals to flee.[4] Elephants have been known to hear infrasound from two and a half miles away.

It has long been realized that infrasound may cause feelings of awe or fear. Since it is not consciously perceived, it can make people feel vaguely that supernatural events are taking place. In a controlled experiment published in September, 2003, people at a concert were asked to rate their responses to a variety of pieces of music, some of which were accompanied by infrasonic elements. [5] The participants were not aware of which pieces included the infrasound. Many participants (22%) reported feelings of anxiety, uneasiness, extreme sorrow, nervous feelings of revulsion or fear and chills down the spine which correlated with the infrasonic events.

Sound familiar? the article continues...


In addition, infrasound created by predators like the tiger (in their grunts) 'freezes' their prey in their tracks (due to fear caused by the infrasound) and aides the predators in catching their prey.Thus, it may be concluded that the phenomena of infrasound causing emotional imbalances is observed in the case of other animals too.


Like I said, I'm very skeptical about this, but it seems to be possible.

Here is another article from Nature

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Humans can't hear infrasound, which scientists define as any sound pitched below 20 hertz to as low as 2 hertz. But it turns out that some animals, including elephants, hippos, giraffes, whales, and alligators, have acute infrasound hearing. In fact, studies have shown that they use infrasound -- which can travel vast distances through the ground, air, and water -- to carry on long-distance conversations. Researchers have homed in on these "invisible" communications in just the last few decades, as sophisticated microphones and recording equipment allowed them to listen in.

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Alligator researchers, for instance, are cracking the code that these huge reptiles use to signal their mates. Among other things, they've learned that alligators can produce an array of infrasonic signals by vibrating air inside special sound-producing sacs in their chins.

Other researchers are studying the idea that infrasonic sound can produce emotions in people. To test this, they asked people at a concert to rate their emotional responses to several pieces of music, some of which had been secretly "spiced" with infrasonic noises. More than a quarter of the listeners reported that the infrasonic melodies produced "ghostly" feelings of anxiety, uneasiness, sorrow, fear, and chills down the spine. Infrasonic sound can also make people nauseous and sick.

Re: The Shrew Incident

Any chance an Owl just barfed?

No - but I'm going to let PETA know about this incident.
Maybe they will stop marching around schools telling children that drinking milk will kill them; and, instead, go hunt down sasquatches and lecture them about wasting perfectly good shrews.

Pretty interesting there gigantor.

Everytime I have seen the title of this thread "Touched by a Sasquatch" , I think it's some Dateline NBC show hosted by Chris Hanson.

Perhaps he tried taming the shrew first, and when that proved impossible, took a bite and tossed the little bugger.

Okay, thanx for the info. So Infra sound is a acceptedl phenomenon within the animal kingdom. I don't believe (and thats all I have to go on, belief) that what was felt was anything more then fear plain and simple.
Also, after the first night that noises were heard through the night around the tents and such, then why didnt anyone think t o place a camera up somewhere inconspicuous to at least catch a shadow maybe of what might be wandering around the camp at night. As far as these expeditions themselves, with a large group of people all camping together then how can anyone REALLY know that any noises heard at night was nothing more then other campers??
And somewhere in that account of the expedition, I also recall someone talking about all the groups splitting up and searching throughout the woods call-blasting and then hearing their calls answered off in the distance......................if everyone is wandering around the woods blasting bigfoot calls back and forth, how is anyone to know when an actual bigfoot might be talking back??? It just really seems to me that absolutely nothing conclusive can come from these outings............but what do I know, I'm just an armchair bigfooter.

Please don't get me wrong. I think the expedition reports are the result of a bunch of exited greenhorns jumping to conclusions while being coached along by profiteers.

I'm just saying that the infra sound idea should not be dismissed outright with a laugh... like it's some crazy supernatural phenomena dreamed up by lunatics. It's not.

He ordered the pancakes with a side of garlic.

Sounds like a spin off of "Touched by an Angle"

i am at my cabin in the woods doing my own reserch without the 300 dollor fee ,so far it cost me gas to get here 30 bucks,film for cam 5 bucks food 20, downloaded sounds free and not a hundred guys sourrounding me snoreing .........i think moneymaker is exactly that !!!!!

and if a rock comes flying in i know it isnt mm............its bf

I had a similar thought. I have seen owls and hawks drop thier catch when started by whatever I was driving at the time. I'm pretty sure that Bigfeet exist, but it seems like alot of people are pretty quick to call things "evidence" when there are many other viable explanations.

I know it's an old thread, But I have just found it now, and thought perhaps I should chime in

I am the "Adam" mentioned in the story. I was awakened and in the strange sensation of being woken up I recall hearing footsteps around the bed of the truck in which I slept. I have never claimed these to be Sasquatch related, in fact when I mentioned them I did not yet know of any of the others stories around me.

As far as Dave being constantly harrassed here, I think it is mostly because it has been taken out of context. I was with Dave when he first told his story the next morning, and I spent the rest of the trip with him. Not once did he state or even imply any form of infrasound or special techniques were used, in fact he stated that he had laid blame on his inability to move on two factors fear/just waking and being unable to gather his berings right away. He also never reported being touched by a Sasquatch, he simply said that he had felt something against the side of his small tent. After waking more he was able to pull himself away from the edge of the tent and then he heard footsteps, this occuring sometime similar to me waking and hearing footsteps.

I have not heard anything of the shrew story, and the apparent rock throwing I was not present for. Two nights after the original event I was there for the "something was in our camp" scenario. I can say that the next morning several small things had been disturbed including the rain fly being taken off the tent off one of the others and was laying on the ground, despite there having been no strong winds. No real evidence was found such as footprints, But one of the men in attendance, had an audio recorder set up and has said it contains "interesting" sounds and noises, I have not yet heard this tape, so I cannot comment.

I am not some crazy rich guy on a monster hunt, the expedition was in my home town and I attended, with the goal of meeting some people in the field who I could hear stories and learn reasearching and studying methods for these animals. I feel I accomplished that, I met some great people, and had a chance to meet Dr Bindernagel as well.

Feel free to continue to mock or discredit us, I'm just stating what happened, and that we weren't all jumping on the "it was Bigfoot" train. I felt it was important to at least clarify what I thought was an incorrect quotation on what was said and what happened.

Adam_777, I assume you are an intelligent person who is interested in the Bigfoot field as
most of the members here. Did you ever feel(you know, have your spidey sense go off)that
there was any kind of smoke and mirrors going on with the activity. Did you think it was
human activity or something that was possibly attributed to Bigfoot. Thanks.

In regards to the incidents at hand I couldn't comment, as I had just awaken as I heard the noises that feet would make on gravel. In the state I was in when hearing them I can assure you I was in no position to distinguish between BF and a deer, let alone bigfoot and man. I think the high report of activity on these investigations, can be attributed to be claiming that any bump in the night could be bigfoot, certainly it could, But more often then not it is just people jumping the gun.

That being said, these expeditions are taking place in areas where sightings have occured, about a year before a co worker of my fathers had a class A type sighting on a logging road near the area, I know the guy to be an avid outdoorsmen, who ahs hunted and killed bears before, and he was 100% certain what he saw was not a classified animal, he's not the bullshitting type, and he was almost embarrased talking about it.

So I believe they do inhabit the target area, and I do feel that some of the howls heard could have been Sasquatch related, But I'm not about to claim they are for sure Sasquatch related, as I have no proof to claim that on, other than gut instinct, which in a scientific field means absolutly nothing.

As for the smole and mirrors, of course it is possible, But on the night of hearing something move through our camp, nobody else outside of the small group we were with knew where we had gone to, in fact we had told them we were going to a place several km's from where we ended up. I think the high number of interactions is not because people are out there playing tricks on us, I think it is over exagerating imaginations, classify to much indecisive evidence into BF evidence.

Hi Adam, thanks for your thoughtful reply given the huge amount of ribbing going on.

Just my 2 cents - If your on a sasquatch hunting expedition, wouldn't it make sense to post sentries, have what we used to call in Air Cadets a 'fire picket', someone to stay up by the fire, keep it going in case anyone get's cold, and keep a watch out? Was there not some system of organized watches set up, rotating duties, to keep a constant vigil all night long, on each night?

And if not, WHY NOT??? Doesn't it strike you as very pecular that this was not done? Your only out there for 4 days and 3 nights! I think a bunch of serious adults who have shelled out big cash to do this would not want to spend much of it sleeping!

Repeatedly people make too much out of this "humans can't hear infrasound thing" the obvious fact is people can "feel" infrasound, and it is a more acutely developed sense in some people who can actually "hear" the low frequency sounds just under 20 hertz and can hear them well. Feeling physical vibrations of the body as a threshold sensation is just as valid a sense as hearing. My "two sense" just because I get tired of reading the same old stuff and nothing personal toward the writer in this case.

Adam_777, was this the sighting up by Duncan?

This is an excellent question considering the dollar amount spent. Thanks for answering adam_777.

He hasn't yet, Squatchaholic. Great picture btw!

Speaking of Duncan, I heard some second-hand reports from my father-in-law over the weekend. He used to do construction with local natives of the Duncan tribe, and they would tell him that they ran into the big hairy guy all the time down by the Cowichan river where they fished. If he was around, they would put off fishing for a few nights, they were very nervous about encountering him (they fished at night, with spotlights and spears) can't say I blame them, was interesting though to again hear the familiar theme that natives often have a far more guarded and fearful attitude towards the sasquatch than us whities. Imo, experience and culture trumps newbie enthusiasm, so perhaps more caution is warranted.

He also told me about a place they worked on, way out at the end of a road by the Cowichan river fish hatchery, that was considered a 'bad area' by these guys and they would NOT stick around after dark out there if asked.

Hey, BC Cryptid. I was just thanking him in advance. I stumbled on this topic late in the game
and realize there is a lot of flack given to any BFRO outing, so I appreciate when someone comes here and talks about them. Feel free to elaborate on your second hand stories if you
can. Thanks about the avatar. I'm glad I saved this pic years ago I can't seem to find it anymore.

I sure wish I could, but that's all I could get out of him. He worked a lot with the local tribes, his now deceased wife was doing a study of their songs and ceremonies, and made many friends. It's usually more difficult to get native people to talk about sasquatch, because they get a lot of the 'oh those are just silly indian legends' bull when they do. I'll try to get more details from him later.

I found it rather amusing about the fish hatchery though. I ended up out there with his daughter in my truck one night.... Very good make-out spot!

(Naturally I didn't tell him that particular story...)

makes you wonder,but surely he would not.

I have to admit that I found these expeditions rather suspicious when I first read of them (and frankly, i still do).

I can buy that sometimes, batteries go dead, etc, but it seemed to me that there were just far too many example of this occurring.

One thing that crossed my mind; you're out in a tent, in the dark, in an area where you have been told that Bigfoot is. Given those circumstances, it would not surprise me at all if some people thought they heard a BF. The mind can play tricks on you, and auditory interpretations are the most common route.

I do find it rather hard to swallow that with that many people in the area, a reclusive creature would go strolling through their camp.

To be quite honest, I do wonder if any of the organizers might "help" on occasion, regarding odd noises and tossed rocks.

Actually, if I was 100% sure that this was all either fake, or the participants imagination, or some combination thereof, I would be interested in going on an expedition. They sound like fun, and $100 a night isn't much, given that staying in motel is often more than that. It would be a lot of fun to meet people in person and talk about this subject around a campfire. On the other hand, if any of the organizers are "helping", then IMHO it's fraud, and that I have grave qualms about participating in or supporting by any means (including with my money).

Nonetheless, If they ever have one in Hawaii, I'm in.

Hey Arizona TJ-

Although I get out with many different researchers independently, I've been with the group for 5 years and have assisted with every single CA state field effort since the expeditions' inception in 2004 when I was actually a participant myself.
I can understand your concerns, but can assure you that if any member of the organization were caught "helping" they would be booted from the organization immedietely. If anything, we spend a lot of time with those not yet wilderness savvy and teach them everything we can within the window of time to familiarize them with the local fauna and common mistaken nocturnal animal sounds. We ourselves have a varying degree of experience and are always learning ourselves.
Rest assured however, if you decided to participate it one, the camaradrie is wonderful, but you won't just be sitting by a campfire, you'll likely be assigned to hang with one of us for most of the trip and will learn various skills by different veteran members-including tracking, casting, field protocol, how to use sophisticated equipment including various audio & thermal equipment etc... It's a great introduction to the field and will at worst get you on your way, hopefully with new people to get out with in your respective area.
I should be on one right now a matter of fact but am recovering from back surgery. If I can be of any assistance, please let me know.

Thanks Bartlojays!

This does sound like fun, and I'd love to participate in one that WASN'T in a BF hotspot and trying to actually encounter bigfoot (bigfeet?). I'm a big chicken in one regard; I have an interest in BF and in recent years (after being a devout skeptic) now believe it probably exists, but I'd prefer NOT to encounter one. Well, maybe from a few miles away, from the opposite side of a large gorge via high powered binoculars, but that's as close as I'd like to get. At night, in close proximity? No thanks. That's why I said I'd jump at the chance to go one one of these expeditions if they held it in Hawaii; no BF there.

Thanks very much for the reassurances though. I'm glad that the organizers aren't "helping" in the way that I feared.

I do live in (much to my shock... Until the comprehensive bigfoot mapping project appeared in my google earth I had no idea there had ever been an AZ sighting) an area with sightings. The closest is this one. The report describes it as Prescott, but the Google Earth pin shows it a couple of miles to the south, in the Bradshaws, which makes far more sense. (I live in the latter area).
For what it's worth, the area is extremely rugged and deeply forested. It's also riddled with old mine shafts and such. The only thing I've heard personally from people in the area is that dog disappearances are very common. (However, given the resident populations of mountain lion, bear, and coyotes, this is far from surprising. I've heard a few vague rumors of "things" back in the bradshaws, but third-hand or worse. Nothing specific to BF, mainly ghost stories, but a couple of "Wild men" stories as well. (my hunch: Drinking stories, mainly)

I do have on thought on the paucity of sighting compared to hearing stalking and vocalizations in so many expedition reports , though. I've lived up here for years, and often (almost nightly in some cases) hear the yappings and goings on of coyote packs, (for those that are unfamilier, they are VERY noisy) often within a few yards of my house (I live on a mountainous, forested slope so plenty of wildlife uses the game trails around my property). I'd also often find the coyote's tracks in the snow and droppings (including, for a while, on my front porch almost every damn night). However, it was years before I actually saw one, in spite of trying. (I finally zapped one coyote with a high-powered hand-held spotlight, after about a hundred tries... where you think you hear 'em is usually not where they actually are). So, I can very much believe the relatively low number of actual BF sightings compared to "sign" for a nocturnal creature.

I have been on 3 expeditions now and there are too many weirdos. Matt seems to be one of the more balanced people in the organization but yes he does normally stay in a hotel. Can't blame him because he does it all year long. He is paid a good salary by Wally Hersom and is not looking for a few extra bucks. There are a lot of very nervous, psychologically impaired people on these trips. They think bigfoot makes every little noise, even rabbits and chipmunks. Anyone who spends time outdoors knows that branches, pine cones and nuts drop naturally all the time but these are recorded as being thrown by bigfoot. I also have hard evidence of people faking photos with monkey suits so it would not surprise me if some of them also fake noises at night around the tents. BTW, I don't think Matt is involved in any of this.

Hi Jake, I'm with the BFRO and help with the CA expeditions, would you mind showing me through PM or here (whichever you like) some of the evidence of people faking "evidence" using "monkey suits."
And I'm also wondering if this was done by BFRO members or participants without the organizers knowledge and where. I appreciate your help as this isn't something to take lightly.

If you feel more comfortable go ahead and shoot me a PM, thank you