Been following this story from another forum. What I am seeing is most impossible,for a human to do these movements.
The person who posted the video is taking it off you tube today. Check it out while it's still up.

http://www.michigan-dogman.com/gablefilm.html

At 3:40:23, it definitely looks scary, whatever it is.

The site is a promotion for a cd release.

While it appears mildly intriguing, I'm with BM. Something way too fishy about this. Now, if it's a Blair Witch™ takeoff, they're on the right track...so far.

The Blair Witch?

EDIT: I didn't see your reply HH......that's what it made me think of as well........

Looks like a grizz to me. There's also a missing section of film. Either that or the animal was able to teleport itself several feet in less than a second. I'd say missing film, edited to make the charge look faster and scarier.

I don't see anything other than a grizzly on this film. They were, of course, extremely stupid to go chasing it with a camera, and lucky to be alive, if they did survive, that is. I've seen footage of this type recovered from blood spattered cameras found in the woods before.

It's a very cool video. I'm on the fence as to what it shows. But does it ever have creepy feel to it. I really enjoyed it regardless of what it is/was.

Yup. http://www.michigan-dogman.com/

To me the creature in the movie looked like a tan coloured bear. I didn't see it walking on two legs. All I saw was it walking or running on all fours.

Whatever it is appears to be knuckle walking to me.
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Is there a dentist in the house?

The first thing that came to my mind was a large Chow Chow romping outside with the folks...and any self respecting dog is going to try to fog up the viewfinder with its lovely breath.


http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/breed...ow_(Smooth).htm

Sorry, this is the best I could do for teeth...


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...l%3Den%26sa%3DN

Oh yes, the dogman site is, um...indescribable.

And like that...it's gone.

Yeah, but you can watch the music video here.

RayG

Pretty good music.

Well thank Dog God for that!

DAMMIT! Where's the video...? No up no more?

It´s down, F***.

But that just shows that it´s marketing. Start the buzz and let it vanish, that´s the construction of a legend. Also Video in the 70´s?? Do they show parts in the music video?

CU

Good Lord.

Someone please... stop... them.

That song. The pickin' ain't so bad I suppose, but the go on forever lyrics... what was that, something like "lumberjack got a stick and a' poked it around in th' hollar log?!"

The whole thing is a publicity stunt. Shall we refer to it as the "Blair Dog Man Witch from Hell"

If this film were indeed made in Michigan, then we have a Michigan Grizzly.(wonder if game and fish knows?) But alas, the video is gone. I found the film very disturbing. The quadraped movements were to me similar to that of a gorilla, or a chimpanzee. Hopefully the video will resurface for more study.

JC

Well I think this guy either was a big fan or is the actual CW MCCall cause I was waiting for the back up singers to pop in with

"we got a great big convoy........."

It was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June
And a Kenworth pullin' logs
Cab-over Pete with a reefer on
And a Jimmy haulin' hogs
We's headin' for bear on Eye-one-oh
'Bout a mile outta Shakeytown
I says, "Pigpen, this here's Rubber Duck
And I'm about to put the hammer down"

The video is great for a reinvention of the "Boggy Creek" Genre!

Reminds me of Gordon Lightfoot crossed with Hank Williams Jr.

The video is here,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QLsrFw2bnKA

How about, it being a dog with a bear skin hyde or rug tied to its back??? Watch just as it charges and the camera starts to turn away,theres alot of play in the back end of the animal,as if the bear skin is starting to fly off,and the real dogs legs are visible it looks like.See if you see what i mean.THIS IS A FAKE ALL THE WAY! BLAIR WITCH STYLE! Lady happens to go out with camera in hand,just as a mysterious creature is roaming(LOL,i just thought of the werewolf from American Werewolf in London,maybe it is a werewolf) Anyhow,she gets out,camera in hand,and is killed by the beast.It sounds like a drivein movie from the 70's and the mysterious name on the video,sounds like its from the X FILES! ITS BOGUS!
Its setup nicely by the crappy shots of chopping wood,etc. Whos to say it's not a camera that somebody dug out of grandmas attic last week,and decided to shoot it,and make it look old? What does everyone else think?

YEAH,at about 3:30 on the time stamp,as the thing charges,the legs,that look like bear hyde,look like their moving,because the dogs running,and its making the legs move,but look in the middle under the beast,it looks like another set of dog legs.

Plus at 3:40 on the time stamp,someone has edited the closeup of the dogs mouth.It goes from woods to dogs mouth to woods.

Anyone think this is possible?

Possible? Sure.

Likely? Doubtful.

RayG

Why doubtful? Did you look at the video,and see the dogs feet,and the editing in of th closeup of dogs teeth?And do you really believe that someone just happened to have a camera with them driving down the roard,when out pops a mysterious beast? If you are a bigfoot researcher,and you are always looking for Bigfoot,and You expect or at least hope,to see him one day,then you will most likely have a camera for your research or to get evidence,then it is believable if you catch something on film.But this person,just happened to have the camera on them and catches this dogbeast,luckily?I dont buy it,I believe it was a PR stunt for this band or whoever has it on their site.

It's Gone Again!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it seem that the 'owner' reads these forums as he's sent another email demanding the video is removed from youtube, He says he is the copyright holder, I have asked him if he was the one who originaly filmed this as that person is the real copyright holder, he also doesn't seem to belive in the fair use policy and wants to know if I'm willing to 'test that statute in court'

He willing to travel to Belfast, or are you expected to visit the USA for that court appearance?

RayG

It's been nearly 25 years since the last time I've been in the States, I'd love another visit

Here's a crappy gif I made of the best bit.

Here's an email I recieved from the 'copyright holder'



Well? anybody any thoughts?

I told him to check up what Public Domain means, here's his reply.



What a nice chap

I think I saw a plate o pancakes in the footage..........

...still looks like a regular dog to me...the footage from inside the truck looks a little more "apish" to me, but I still see a dog. I see a tail curled up over its back.

It doesn't look like a grizzly to me.

Punisher's post above that links to a 'working copy' of the vid on YouTube has been 'hidden' for the time being, as it's possible just linking to an infringing website can constitute infringement also. Now, that being said, this guy doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell of gaining anything from any kind of legal action, nor do I believe he even knows what an attorney is. He's provided no proof he's the actual copyright owner/holder, and even if he is, for uses here on the forum specifically, the 'fair use doctrine' has liberal implications for such use that would most likely absolve the board of any infringement liability. Now if the thread originator's link is to this same guy's website, there's no infringement as there's nothing being 'copied'. Copyrights do not, nor are they intended to protect a 'piece' from either positive or adverse critique & criticism. Regardless, it's not something worthwhile enough to waste a bunch of time with arguing who's legally right or wrong. It's by all accounts a work of fiction and not that pertinent to the discussion of the 'other' hairy entitites we mostly discuss here.

I emailed this guy yesterday-the website where the video was on,and said the following to him:

"Nice vid...Pretty good work,is that a bearskin Hyde OR Rug that you strapped to the dog,and also,the part where you edited the closeup of the dogs mouth was a bit crappy,the editing could have been better"

He didnt answer my email! Ill bet money that this is 100% a bear Hyde or Bear skin Rug tied to a dogs back.When the dog comes running,it looks like the beast is running because the legs are flopping,but if you look very close,under the middle of the beast,you can see a set of regular dog legs,and like someone else here said,it looks like a dog tail in the back.

interesting new filmfootage i guess more research study need to be done thats my opinion. bill

How can I see a full version of this?

I'm unclear how something in the public domain can be sold?

If it is in fact from the 70's the rights should be (until sold) with the person who shot the video. If that person is dead, then it remains in their estate for a certain number of years (I forget if it's 25 or 50)...........

So I really doubt this was ever in the public domain.......... at any rate it's complete crap..........

As i said,i emailed them about my beliefs and heres what they sent back:

"Thanks for your email. Mindstage Productions takes no position on the
authenticity of images, film or documents we did not create ourselves.
Any evidence we present is done so as a reporter, not an advocate.
It's up to the viewer to decide. Apparently you've done that.

Were you part of the private preview? There was one group invited to
see the film in the 2 days it was broadcast on YouTube, I assume you
are a member there."

I am glad it wasnt an email thretening to sue me like someone else here got!

It wasn't a private view, anybody who clicked the link could watch it (as I did) untill it was removed.

Of course once something is posted on the net it never stays private for long as I have found a couple of sites were you can download (not watch online) the original video that was posted to youtube.

I'll post the links if the mods allow.

On second thought I should have probably said 'highly doubtful' instead.

Is it possible there's a dogman/wolfman/werewolf in that part of the country? Hey, I'm too old to say anything is impossible. Is it likely there's a dogman/wolfman/werewolf in that part of the country? I highly doubt it. I can be swayed if someone presents some decent evidence however.

RayG

AT 3:31-3:32 aprox on the time stamp,the "creature"makes a turn to ITS LEFT to avoid a little tree.At that moment,you can see something that has a cape look to it.This again to me,would be a bear skin hyde or bear skin rug tide or strapped to a dog.Theres no sound.Someone put it on the dog,then yells come on boy,and it starts to run towards them.You can see what looks like real dog legs in the middle of the creature at one point.The bear skin legs look like they are real legs,because they are flopping as the dog runs.Plus right when the camera person supposedly gets attacked,look closely.When they show the closeup of dogs mouth,it looks like a bad editing job,you can see its the field,then dogs mouth,then the field again.

I didn't see the whole version, but from the gif (btw thanks for posting that punisher) I'd have to say it's a dog also. The thing that's weird though it at the very end the hind legs do a little hop. Maybe I'm just tired and seeing things that aren't there, but that hop seems out of place. I don't know what it is, but I highly doubt it's a bigfoot making a u-turn and heading for the cameraman.

I still would like to see the full video. However looking at the back leg even though it looks like how a dog pivots and turns the rear leg is pretty thick and stawky to be a dog's. Anyone else see how big the rear leg is when it pivots around the tree?

Although I was never able to see the full clip, it is very interessting to me. (only know the short gif animation)
At least they created a realy new way of motion for this clip. The Motion looks to me like a dog pulling on a leash, or a Human/Ape going on all fours. Specialy the sidestep looks like this. The back legs look quite small to me, so I don´t think it´s a human in a suit. Maybe it´s a handicaped dog, or a dog in a suit that in some way limits it´s natural movements. I once seen a documentary about handicaped pets, and dogs seem to learn the biped movement quite quick, if the front legs are disabled. And yes it looks creapy if a big german chepard or simular dog moves on two legs, he is nearly in level with your eyes. Dog man origin?? Maybe.
As I watched the small gif over and over again, I think it could very well be a chimp in an dog suit. And no I´am not joking. Compare a chimps movement with the shown one, it´s at least simular.

I realy hope that some pirates take up this clip again, if it happens to hollywood A movies, it schouldn´t be a problem with this one.

CU

Those are some really(apey) muscular shoulders.


I heard there are some good stills to be available to the viewing public, soon.

To answer your first question, there's no prohibition on selling something that may be in 'the public domain' (TPD). It's simply a matter of finding a buyer willing to pay you for it. Some things that may be in TPD, but are not so readily 'accessible' are a good example. Often things are simply repackaged or recombined in a more palatable and acccessible form. A 'copyright' is simply an exclusivity right granted to the original author (and/or his heirs/assigns), it doesn't specifically grant something a 'value' or the right to be 'worth something'. Something being in 'The Public Domain' just gives the previously exclusive right to everyone. Copyrights nowadays are mostly defacto in that you don't have to file anything to claim the copyright, IF you are the original author. Pursuing 'legal remedies' for its misuse does involve registration etc. though.

As to this thread's subject matter, I'm almost positive too it's NOT in the public domain, as I also agree it's "complete crap".

NO.

Man, he's getting his drawers in a bunch over a rather crappy piece of fluff IMO. I guess $$ are getting in his eyes.