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i just finished reading the new book called man monkey in search of the british bigfoot by nick redfern. its very informative interesting great etc. it has alot histery of eyewittnesses testimonys, photos of sightings locations and or unexplained stuff about the british sasquatch.this book realy helped me with my sasquatch research. it realy makes you understand all about the british bigfoot. i give this new book A+++. you all can get this book at amazon.com. nick redfern did a wonderful job & research to do this great book its realy worth for any researchers bigfoot books library. thanks bill green
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I spoke to Refern last weekend. I haven't yet read the book, but Redfern assures me that this is *not* a book about Sasquatch in Britain - it is a book about some unusual events, starting with the ghostly experience of the monkey man of Ranton, and working through to the unusual events in Bolam Lake a few years ago which were uncovered as an unsophisticated hoax and the over-active mind of an individual who was convinced there was bigfoot in the area.
It is a book about weird, paranormal events, not Sasquatch.
It is a book about weird, paranormal events, not Sasquatch.
Guys
I think it's fair to say that both of you (Paul and Bill) are correct.
The book is about Bigfoot in Britain in the sense that it deals with sightings of creatures that in some cases fit the Bigfoot description (ie, man-like hairy creatures). However, it becomes clear upon studying many of the British reports that they have their origins in areas relating to high-strangeness and (in my view) the paranormal (however we may define that term).
So, in other words, the book does deal with sightings of weird, hairy creatures in the UK, but they appear not to be the conventional Bigfoot type creatures as reported in the USA - hence, my comments to Paul about this not being strictly about Bigfoot - at least, in the terms that most on this list wil interpret the term.
I think it's fair to say that both of you (Paul and Bill) are correct.
The book is about Bigfoot in Britain in the sense that it deals with sightings of creatures that in some cases fit the Bigfoot description (ie, man-like hairy creatures). However, it becomes clear upon studying many of the British reports that they have their origins in areas relating to high-strangeness and (in my view) the paranormal (however we may define that term).
So, in other words, the book does deal with sightings of weird, hairy creatures in the UK, but they appear not to be the conventional Bigfoot type creatures as reported in the USA - hence, my comments to Paul about this not being strictly about Bigfoot - at least, in the terms that most on this list wil interpret the term.
Hey Nick - it's about bloody time we saw you on here 
As we discussed last weekend, the sighting that always interested me was the Derbyshire sighting from a few years back - did you find out anything interesting about it?
My personal take on it is that there simply aren't enough sightings on this tiny island (which is about the size of Texas) for them to be of real creatures, and are far more likely to be neurological than biological in origin. There are plenty of weird things seen around the country - ufos, ghosts, aliens, fairies and goblins - I suspect that hairy men are simply another entry on the list.
What is of importance though is that there are people in Britain who will swear they have seen a bigfoot here, and are very convincing witnesses - this calls into question for me many of the 'convincing' witnesses we find in the US and Canada.
As we discussed last weekend, the sighting that always interested me was the Derbyshire sighting from a few years back - did you find out anything interesting about it?
My personal take on it is that there simply aren't enough sightings on this tiny island (which is about the size of Texas) for them to be of real creatures, and are far more likely to be neurological than biological in origin. There are plenty of weird things seen around the country - ufos, ghosts, aliens, fairies and goblins - I suspect that hairy men are simply another entry on the list.
What is of importance though is that there are people in Britain who will swear they have seen a bigfoot here, and are very convincing witnesses - this calls into question for me many of the 'convincing' witnesses we find in the US and Canada.
Paul
LOL, yeah I thought it was about time I joined!
Re the Derbyshire case: no, I don't really have any more data. But I do recall having a conversation with someone at the Weird Weekend in 2005 when it was held for the final time at its previous locaton of the Cowick Barton.
Someone brought up the issue of a reference in one of Theo Brown's books to a sighting of hairy men some decades ago near a Devon stone circle. And from there, someone brought up the Derbyshire 1991 case and its relationship to a nearby similar circle (if I remember correct?).
But that's about all I have aside from the original story.
Of course it could be argued that stone circles, prehistoric sites etc can be found all across the UK, and so maybe that may not be relevant.
Nick
LOL, yeah I thought it was about time I joined!
Re the Derbyshire case: no, I don't really have any more data. But I do recall having a conversation with someone at the Weird Weekend in 2005 when it was held for the final time at its previous locaton of the Cowick Barton.
Someone brought up the issue of a reference in one of Theo Brown's books to a sighting of hairy men some decades ago near a Devon stone circle. And from there, someone brought up the Derbyshire 1991 case and its relationship to a nearby similar circle (if I remember correct?).
But that's about all I have aside from the original story.
Of course it could be argued that stone circles, prehistoric sites etc can be found all across the UK, and so maybe that may not be relevant.
Nick
QUOTE(Nick Redfern @ Aug 24 2007, 12:00 AM) 
Re the Derbyshire case: no, I don't really have any more data. But I do recall having a conversation with someone at the Weird Weekend in 2005 when it was held for the final time at its previous locaton of the Cowick Barton.
That might have been me
Although I don't remember anything after I slept through your talk about your Roswell book
LOL, re Roswell
hey nick thanks for those great return above replys to me regarding your book. please keep in touch ok. bill green. oh welcome to the bigfoot forums as well 
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Aug 23 2007, 10:49 PM)
Hey Nick - it's about bloody time we saw you on here
As we discussed last weekend, the sighting that always interested me was the Derbyshire sighting from a few years back - did you find out anything interesting about it?
My personal take on it is that there simply aren't enough sightings on this tiny island (which is about the size of Texas) for them to be of real creatures, and are far more likely to be neurological than biological in origin. There are plenty of weird things seen around the country - ufos, ghosts, aliens, fairies and goblins - I suspect that hairy men are simply another entry on the list.
What is of importance though is that there are people in Britain who will swear they have seen a bigfoot here, and are very convincing witnesses - this calls into question for me many of the 'convincing' witnesses we find in the US and Canada.
As we discussed last weekend, the sighting that always interested me was the Derbyshire sighting from a few years back - did you find out anything interesting about it?
My personal take on it is that there simply aren't enough sightings on this tiny island (which is about the size of Texas) for them to be of real creatures, and are far more likely to be neurological than biological in origin. There are plenty of weird things seen around the country - ufos, ghosts, aliens, fairies and goblins - I suspect that hairy men are simply another entry on the list.
What is of importance though is that there are people in Britain who will swear they have seen a bigfoot here, and are very convincing witnesses - this calls into question for me many of the 'convincing' witnesses we find in the US and Canada.
hey paul wow those are very interesting above 2 replys to nick redfern regarding his new book keep up with the honest opinions. thanks bill
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My personal take on it is that there simply aren't enough sightings on this tiny island (which is about the size of Texas) for them to be of real creatures, and are far more likely to be neurological than biological in origin. There are plenty of weird things seen around the country - ufos, ghosts, aliens, fairies and goblins - I suspect that hairy men are simply another entry on the list.
I feel the same about a lot of things in the states, like El Chupacabra or Dog-Men, or even some "sasquatch" reports.
I have heard (from UFO Mystic I think, coincedently) the term "zooform" used to describe such phenonema, and I tend to prefer it over "cryptid" as the latter tends to be used for biological organisms, some unknown like sasquatch or Nessie, or others known but poorly understood or thought extinct, like the Ivory Bill or Thylacine. I forget the mans name who coinded "zooform" but he wrote an excellent book. I think it's important to keep "cryptozoology" strictly zoological.
Anyways, Welcome Nick! I have not yet read the book but have enjoyed your posts on the before mentioned blog.
hey david good afternoon wow great above reply. thanks bill
hey admins & researchers i hope you all liked my new above review of this new book i would like to see some more opinions please ok... bill
QUOTE(Nick Redfern @ Aug 23 2007, 06:17 PM)
LOL
Are british dudes allowed to say "lol"?
hey kucta interesting above reply. thanks bill
This maybe a good time to ask this question to Paul and Nick. When I was in college my physiology professor used a story from Britain As a case study. He referred to it as the “Legend of Swampy Joe” which he told to us as a true story.
It seemed this servant who lived in an old castle with his employer, the employer died and the castle fell into ruins and the servant continued to live there. He became animal like going from rumbling in garbage cans to catching game, livestock and eating it raw. He even attacking some of the town people, and was reported to be cannibalistic. As he became animal like his athletic ability to out run, out maneuver, jump walls and fences to avoid capture.
That is about all I remember about the case study, have any of you heard of a story or legend reference this? I searched the net and came up empty.
It seemed this servant who lived in an old castle with his employer, the employer died and the castle fell into ruins and the servant continued to live there. He became animal like going from rumbling in garbage cans to catching game, livestock and eating it raw. He even attacking some of the town people, and was reported to be cannibalistic. As he became animal like his athletic ability to out run, out maneuver, jump walls and fences to avoid capture.
That is about all I remember about the case study, have any of you heard of a story or legend reference this? I searched the net and came up empty.
Peppersfarms:
Nope, never heard of that one at all! There are, however, a surprising number of Bigfoot-style and wildman-style reports from the UK. The Devonshire folklorist Theo Brown obtained quite a few decades ago, and there are legends in the UK dating back hundreds of years (such as the Wildman of Orford). Britain's Cannock Chase woods are a hotspot right now for "man-beast" type encounters, most of which have occurred in the vicinity of a cemetery on the Chase. This is very near to where I used to live (before moving to Dallas 6 years ago).
Nope, never heard of that one at all! There are, however, a surprising number of Bigfoot-style and wildman-style reports from the UK. The Devonshire folklorist Theo Brown obtained quite a few decades ago, and there are legends in the UK dating back hundreds of years (such as the Wildman of Orford). Britain's Cannock Chase woods are a hotspot right now for "man-beast" type encounters, most of which have occurred in the vicinity of a cemetery on the Chase. This is very near to where I used to live (before moving to Dallas 6 years ago).
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Aug 23 2007, 05:49 PM)
My personal take on it is that there simply aren't enough sightings on this tiny island (which is about the size of Texas) for them to be of real creatures, and are far more likely to be neurological than biological in origin. There are plenty of weird things seen around the country - ufos, ghosts, aliens, fairies and goblins - I suspect that hairy men are simply another entry on the list.
BLASPHEMY! using the word "tiny" and Texas in the same sentence.
oh the humanity!
dav
Thanks Nick, your book sounds interesting. Going to have to get a copy!
Edit to add, I did not advise that I was in college in the early 70's, so it's been a few years. I remember that story and others he had us study.
Edit to add, I did not advise that I was in college in the early 70's, so it's been a few years. I remember that story and others he had us study.
QUOTE(Nick Redfern @ Aug 23 2007, 10:43 PM)
Guys
I think it's fair to say that both of you (Paul and Bill) are correct.
The book is about Bigfoot in Britain in the sense that it deals with sightings of creatures that in some cases fit the Bigfoot description (ie, man-like hairy creatures). However, it becomes clear upon studying many of the British reports that they have their origins in areas relating to high-strangeness and (in my view) the paranormal (however we may define that term).
So, in other words, the book does deal with sightings of weird, hairy creatures in the UK, but they appear not to be the conventional Bigfoot type creatures as reported in the USA - hence, my comments to Paul about this not being strictly about Bigfoot - at least, in the terms that most on this list wil interpret the term.
I think it's fair to say that both of you (Paul and Bill) are correct.
The book is about Bigfoot in Britain in the sense that it deals with sightings of creatures that in some cases fit the Bigfoot description (ie, man-like hairy creatures). However, it becomes clear upon studying many of the British reports that they have their origins in areas relating to high-strangeness and (in my view) the paranormal (however we may define that term).
So, in other words, the book does deal with sightings of weird, hairy creatures in the UK, but they appear not to be the conventional Bigfoot type creatures as reported in the USA - hence, my comments to Paul about this not being strictly about Bigfoot - at least, in the terms that most on this list wil interpret the term.
hey nick good afternoon i hope you write more newer books about bigfoot & cryptozoology etc in upcomeing years. please keep us posted ok. thanks bill green
hey nick good evening your other great books about cryptozoology animals look great maybe someday i will buy more copies of them in near future. please keep in touch ok good evening bill green please keep in touch. p.s. hey nick you still have a awesome website-blogs about your books etc keep up the great work on it.
please keep in touch. p.s. hey nick you still have a awesome website-blogs about your books etc keep up the great work on it.
I've just read three of Nick's books and can confirm that they're excellent. They're well-researched, intelligently argued and also very entertaining.
I strongly agree with Paul1968UK, in that I suggest that it's massively unlikely that there's a breeding population of massive apes in Britain. However there have been enough sightings and enough credible reports, over a long enough time, to make it impossible to dismiss the whole thing. Something is certainly being seen. So what is it?
And if there ARE genuinely credible sightings of creatures in a frankly small (on a global scale) English wood like Cannock Chase (which I think is about 3000 acres / 1200 hectares), then the questions raised by those sightings could also apply to some sightings in the US.
But whether or not you think anything cryptozoological in the UK can have any relevance to creatures spied elsewhere, Man-Monkey is a good read.
I strongly agree with Paul1968UK, in that I suggest that it's massively unlikely that there's a breeding population of massive apes in Britain. However there have been enough sightings and enough credible reports, over a long enough time, to make it impossible to dismiss the whole thing. Something is certainly being seen. So what is it?
And if there ARE genuinely credible sightings of creatures in a frankly small (on a global scale) English wood like Cannock Chase (which I think is about 3000 acres / 1200 hectares), then the questions raised by those sightings could also apply to some sightings in the US.
But whether or not you think anything cryptozoological in the UK can have any relevance to creatures spied elsewhere, Man-Monkey is a good read.
hey ludo yes i agree with your above reply about nick redfern s books. i realy liked reading his book man-monkey im hopeing to get his other books in near future. thanks bill
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