Below is the link for the CBC story outlining the capture of an 18-year old in a monkey suit who has been hoaxing campers for the past 2 summers. Ironically, Whiteshell Provincial Park has been an intermittently active sighting area for at least the past 40 + years. The Park lies right on the edge of the Canadian Shield rock formation. Unlike the upshot of most open-ended and merely suspected hoaxes, at least in this rare case they actually captured the guy!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/20.../sasquatch.html

He's lucky he didn't get shot.

Wow, I thought there were only caribou and French people in Manitoba.

It just goes to show you how easy it is to fool people. In this case, it did not work as he probably was too near the woman who was able to see that it was someone in a monkey suit. She was very brave or foolish (depending) - that guy could could have assaulted her.

Why do you say that ?

How many yahoos (and otherwise serious researchers) would like to bag a bigfoot?

The Mounties always get their primates!

If the Mounties don't, then Diefenbaker will.

It wasn't this guy or his younger brother, was it?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noTCZtPNnzQ

I don't know, was probably drunk at the time.

Someone needs to post the obligatory "No one's gonna make a monkey out of me" reply.

I guess I just did.

Because one of these days, some jackass in a monkey suit just trying to scare people as a joke is going to scare someone carrying a gun who won't see the fun in it and shoot first, ask later.

hey everyone admins wow this definetly a very interesting article indeedy. it also teach us to spot socalled hoaxers etc. thanks bill

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Modern day hunting safety will keep most hunters from just shooting at a bipedal creature. Then there is the all time favorite "Do I have a big enough gun" Unfortunatly, you still have a very small number of hunters who will shoot at any thing that moves. Lucky that number is going down.

However, if you have a guy in a suit, who runs at you waving his hands and making grunting sounds while appearing to be a threat to life or limb. Then a hunter who would never think of shooting a bigfoot (and this includes a lot of researchers who go armed in the woods) has to concider self defence. You do not have the time to look for the zipper. While I would never deliberty shoot a b.f. in a hunting situation, if I think I am being attacked at close range - then I would fire to defend myself.

The UK has a great legal term when a coroner investigates a sudden death. Like if a guy puts on a bigfoot suit and goes running thru the woods threatening people. It's called Death By Mis-Adventure.
Where the deceased brings on his own death by stupidity.

Were there any reports made form this area during that time. This provides a unique opportunity to review witness testimony ona proven hoax.

Hi-- I live in a town called Seven Sisters Falls which is located right outside the north entrance to the Whiteshell Provincial Park where this hoaxer was discovered. I had not heard any recent talk about a Sasquatch in the park and was surprised to read about this incident in the papers. There have been a number of sightings in Manitoba over the years, some more credible than others.

The Whiteshell is pretty much a portal to the wilderness. Above the Whiteshell is another park, Nopiming Provincial Park. Above that (and partly in Ontario) is Woodland Provincial Park, and above that is Atikaki Provincial Park. There are a few small towns and First Nations Reserves near or in these parks, but the parks are basically wilderness areas-- vast boreal forests-- that you must hike or fly into. (Of course there is some logging activity.)

I have heard stories that, when Seven Sisters had its own garbage dump, Sasquatches were spotted at the dump along with black bears, wolves, etc. The dump has since been moved. I have camped in the park a few times, but have not seen or heard anything.

For more information about sasquatch in Manitoba, I suggest you visit this site:
http://wriversasquatchassoc.net/
It is the local sasquatch organization-- Winnipeg River Sasquatch Association -- and it has a pretty good Manitoba sighting map.

Hi sistertwo. I just noticed your interesting response about Whiteshell Provincial Park.

When I was a kid my family used to cottage there, on Falcon Lake, in the mid-1960s. Our cottage was at the end of the only road on the south east side of the lake, beyond which at that time there was absolutely nothing else but more forest.

Sometimes late on hot summer nights, long after lights out and everyone else had gone to bed, I would get up out of my bunk and stand by the open, screened bedroom window where the cottage backed on to the forest, listening to those crazy fools chopping wood in the middle of the night out in the bush where there were no campsites, cottages, roads nor trails of any kind for many, many miles. Sometimes my younger brother used to get up with me and we would both stand silently by the window, listening. Back then we never knew what to make of it, but it sure struck me as odd.

Sometimes we would be really baffled when some other fool wood choppers would then start up with the same racket in the opposite direction. But it didn't sound like the action of splitting wood for a campfire in which, after every stroke, there would be a lag in time so as to allow for setting up the next log segment for splitting. Nope, this sounded like someone was having at a tree with an axe - bang... bang... bang - in hits of either two or three strokes - and who the hell chops trees down past midnight? I knew the difference between the wood-chopping sounds of both splitting and felling because I used to have to gather and then split the wood for our fires as one of my chores.

I remember asking my Dad, one time, what the heck the chopping late at night was all about - which he also was apparently aware of - but he just shrugged his shoulders, as baffled as I was, and more or less dismissed it without explanation. While it didn't happen all that often, nonetheless I have always remembered it.

About three years later I heard what sounded like exactly the same late night chopping out in the bush at a friend's cottage in the Haliburton Highlands of Ontario in a virtually identical context and circumstance. In this case it was at a newly opened small lake with only three other cottages on it and only one road in. I recall both my friend and his father relating to me the fact that, a week prior to my visit, they had been out in the canoe when they saw a 'huge monkey' run up the trunk of a freshly downed tree at the water's edge - a tree that had been standing the day before when they went fishing. They were absolutely stunned by what they had seen and, of course, there was no logical explanation for such an outrageous abberation in the middle of one of Ontario's prime lake districts in 1967. For what it's worth, I just now realize that was also the year of the famous PG 'Patty' film.

There is more to the story, but without going into corroborating details, I can now assure you there is absolutely no doubt in my mind about what was making that midnight racket in the forest in both Manitoba and Ontario.
Dudlow

Come on, tell us more Dudlow?

Gee, 'bipedalist', you went back over a year to dig this one up! More? Hmmm... I didn't go back and reread the entire thread before adding this, but here is some more blast from the past. Sorry if I repeat anything.

Well, 1962-63, driving to the cottage east from Winnipeg on Hwy#1, about 25 miles before getting to Whiteshell Provincial Park (Falcon Lake is in the Park), on the north side of the highway, probably about 500 feet back against the tree line, I saw a large, gray bipedal 'something' running like the wind before it ducked into the tree line. In my little 11-year-old mind I did a quick double take and said to myself, "Ya, sure!", before I dismissed it altogether. While I did know it was not a bear because it was running on two legs and too damned tall, I didn't even mention it to my parents or siblings in the car -- it just seemed too unbelievably weird; but I never forgot it because it was so OOP (out of place). For some reason I have always remembered my OOPs, and I've had quite a few of them over the years.

At the cottage on Falcon Lake where the above woodknocking occurred we also had loud 'bangs' against the outside cottage wall the odd time. I remember two occasions when it was way past our normal bedtimes, say after midnight. Both times it had been raining all day and it was still pouring rain outside while we were finishing up a long family game of Monopoly at the kitchen table. Again, my Dad had no idea what the booming impact on the outside wall could be. I think maybe he thought it was other cottage kids messing around with us so he didn't want to make a big deal of it. How soon we dismiss things we don't understand, no matter where they happen; probably because if nothing else seems to come of it at the time, then that means that everything has 'returned to normal' -- so we don't feel threatened by it. Psychological denial.

One other oddity is that our cat would not come out from under the cottage the entire time we were there, every time we went to the cottage. We had to feed and water him by reaching into the darkness and placing his bowls as far in as we could get them. This is the same cat -- I just now realized this -- who survived what in later years I finally understood to be BF backyard raids in London, Ontario, while our neighbor's cats all around us were disappearing without trace 4 to 5 years before the cottage episodes. I have mentioned this event before on the Forum somewhere, a few years ago. When we would get up in the morning we would see several of the neighbor's cats up on the rooves of their houses, waiting to come down. Same thing with ours. Back then, around 1958, a lot of neighborhood cats disappeared. That's where I (and my friend) saw that big, old, white haired boogey man BF a couple of times.

A few years later, around 1967, at my buddy's above mentioned cottage in Ontario, I heard the same woodknocking (now, that struck me as really weird because I knew I had heard that sound before!) and instead of banging the cottage walls, something would bang the outhouse wall if you went in there at night, which you pretty much had to do every night before going to bed -- again the repetition of that phenom struck me as weird. Carrying the lantern down the dark path through the woods and around the corner to the kibo was a dreaded evening ritual. It got so me and my buddy would wait until we had to both go and then we would go together. It was very spooky experience that happened on a number of occasions. That was the place where my buddy and his dad saw the 'big monkey' walking up the trunk of the downed tree by the water's edge. Ya, sure -- then another cow flew by... But true, I swear it!

Not much more to tell for now on these particular episodes. But for me, this was all just sci-fi back then. It was all about denial because nothing about any of it made any sense to anybody, especially in Ontario, far away from the PNW where things had been ramping up quietly since 1958 when Jerry Crewe found the footprints around Louse Camp. I think the only people in Ontario who even had an inkling about BF back then were the Native Canadians; and most of them weren't sure if BF belonged to the spirit world or to the physical domain.

Enough for now.
Dudlow

Interesting story. This would have been a great time to have had and infrared trail camera.


The ol' Manitoba hoaxer shows how an area can be infested with false reports, while other areas might have authentic reports.

Thanks for filling in some details Dudlow, very spell-binding accounting of the viewpoints of this from a suburban and childhood perspective.

What strikes me as truly ironic, 'georgerm', is that the hoaxer actually picked an active BF area to do his hoaxing in - and I'll just bet he didn't know it was an active area! I can just see this whole episode as if it was an old black and white 'Abbot & Costello' comedy movie, with the hoaxer in his gorilla suit roaring behind the tents to scare the campers while the real Sasquatch creaps up behind him to scare the daylights out of the hoaxer! Nyuk, nyuk, what a hoot!
Dudlow

He is lucky he didn't get shot, but are handguns even legal in Canada???

Dudlow, do you remember where you posted that before? I'd like to read it.
Thanks

Handguns are legal if you have all the right permits. However, in a residential area you cannot discharge one. I think.

Hi, 'spudsquatch'. I used the 'Search' function at the top right of the page banner to find this reference -- I'm surprised I was able to find it! But here is it -- it's just a brief comment.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...885&hl=cats

Dudlow

Handguns are legal in Canada as long as you have a restricted firearms license and you are at a gun range. If you aren't at a gun range and your firing one in the middle of the bush, field, valley, etc, that is illegal.

This is shocking to me. Do you know what the logic is behind this?

I practice at a range but only because it's so much faster and easier to read my target scores. But I practice simply for what I may encounter OUTSIDE the range.

Canada has almost always been handgun free, leaving pistols and revolvers in the hands of the police, RCMP, federal agents, the military, etc. We're allowed rifles for hunting and shotguns for varmint protection, but that's all. I'm not a gun person, myself, but I know that, especially over the past 20 years as violent gang crime has increased, the police have had to steadily upgrade their formerly meagre arsenal of weaponry to match the challenge. Around 20 years ago the Canadian police forces began the long process of upgrading from .38 to 9mm handguns -- it was quite controversial at the time and it took a number of years to complete. When you think about it, England only began allowing handguns into their poice forces about 15 years ago; very slowly at first; and to this day only certain officers are allowed to carry. Apart from having a permit to transport an unloaded, properly stowed and locked handgun to and from the gun range, getting a handgun 'carry' permit is next to impossible in Canada and I think only federal agents are allowed to carry concealed handguns. We are not a 'militia-ready', firearm equipped nation -- never have been and probably never will be. My American brother in law comes to Canada to hunt waterfowl every year. While he is permitted to bring his shotguns into the country, he is not permitted by law to either bring ammunition with him over the border or to purchase ammunition while here. He must purchase his ammunition from the outfitter/guide who has sponsered his weaponized entry into the country and all the paperwork has got to be in order, no ifs, ands or buts. Wow! We are so different from America with respect to firearms. For what it's worth, many countries in South America only allow their populations to own shotguns for hunting and as protection from animals, but no handguns or rifles -- they aren't allowed rifles or pistols because a mobilized population would be considered a political threat to their own poorly equipped armies. There is a much broader variance in attitude towards citizenry owning weapons than most people realize.
Dudlow

Obama might be headed in this direction for us.

Do you think the crime rate with the use of firearms has gone down in Canada?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/17/f-crime-2008.html

Honestly, 'georgerm', over the past couple of decades I don't personally think Canada's tight gun laws have amounted to much of a difference. There are so many illegal firearms in the hands of gangs in Canada now that the public has pretty much conceded that things are out of control; no matter that the police press may claim otherwise. I don't personally like the idea of everyone in the local saloon carrying because that can lead to silly but deadly problems with inebriated folks getting out of hand; so dumb, stupid irresponsibility in the moment is probably the primary reason for the government keeping handguns out the public grasp as much as possible. But apart from that old style Dodge City type scenario, when deliberate and premeditated crime is involved, the weapon of choice in Canada has become handguns first and knives second, for those who can't get hold of a handgun. So in these cases I tend to agree with folks who claim it is the open availability of illegally gotten guns that kills a lot of people here in Canada. The law abiding, properly trained and licensed firearms folks are not a problem and never have been. It is too bad the public often confuses the two issues. As far as the bad guys go, the out in the open western style shootup in densely populated metropolital areas has become common place. In these cases the shooters don't have any concern about killing innocent bystanders, and they have killed quite a few. My understanding is that this problem is endemic to our North American societies; just like in Russia, the Baltic States and some other European countries. No one seems to be immune to this problem. Just remember to put on your designer kevlar when you go shopping.
Dudlow

I have a concealed carry permit. Here in Florida we have to attend a 16 hour class and demonstrate safe use of a firearm on a shooting range, then take a 100 question written test. After that we have to under go fingerprinting, fill out paperwork, and have an extensive background check by the state government. In addition we pay a fee for this and get an ID card that is similar to a driver's license.

We are expressly forbidden to carry any place where a fight is likely to occur.

No bars or businesses which sell or serve alcoholic beverages.
No public sporting events.
No schools or school sponsored sporting events.
No banks.
No government buildings, such as court houses, and etc.

So you see, the scenario you described doesn't happen, because of the restrictions, and people who carry are by and large very law abiding citizens. We are the good guys. Canada, Australia, and Great Britain need to get with the program. If the gangsters knew there were CCW carriers they might think twice before pulling out that gun.

We are saying the same thing, 'Robert'. Just to clarify, the scenario I described was a historical reference as to why Canada virtually banned the carrying of handguns way back when, because that historical, so-called 'Wild West' scenario occurred almost anywhere there was an unorganized Territory or Township without benefit of on site law men or peace officers - and in Canada that was at one time a big chunk of real estate. North, Central and South America were all victimized by by the same phenom. Unlike Canada and a lot of other countries, America is different in that the right to bear arms was firmly entrenched in its Constitution; which to my mind is not the problem. If criminals want guns, they will get them, regardless of the law; no matter how, no matter where.
Dudlow

You forgot to mention CRIMINALS!! Leave it to a liberal Gov't to disarm law-abiding citizens so the true law breakers can have a free run.

And you can bet this is exactly where God Obama is going to take the USA, forget the 2nd amendment, it'll be history in a few years.

Another thing Dudlow, you mentioned that ammo had to be purchased thru a sponsored outfitter? This is a first I have heard of this. I have been hunting in Canada for close to 20 years, 4 different Provinces, and have always brought my own ammo. I'm always asked about it at the border, but I've never had any troubles with it though.

And my apologies. My reply to your quoted statement about gun ownership really strikes a personal nerve. It was not intended as an attack or slander towards you, but to the Govt's that do such things.

No more politics.
No more warnings.