I heard another story about a woman getting raped by some kind of tall "creature."

The man that told me the story infered that it was bigfoot.

Anyways in the story, after the woman was found beaten bloody, she told her story and was commited to a psycho ward.

So there's telling if she's genuine or crazy.

hey mr. capalini thanks for that interesting pine ridge sasquatch but im alittle skeptical about that sighting more research & investigation needs to be done at the sighting location & the eyewittness needs be reinterviewed definetly when stuff calms down, hey larry whats new dont for get your cameras. good evening bill green

Nr. C, That sounds a lot like the report of one of Mary Green's, Carter Farm bigfoots raping a young girl. The resulting trama sending the girl to a mental hospital for life. And records of the incident sealed.

By any chance were two young local boys initially suspected in the rape. Then cleared. Because this was one of the eliments of Mary Green's story from Tennessee.

If I am correct, "50 Years With Bigfoot", the soap opera of the Carter Farm (also known as "As The Bigfoot Turns") has gotten more attention than we thought. And is out there more than we have suspected

I'm not ready to buy into a rape story.

You need to be careful what you report here without any direct contact with the witness.......... this sounds like one of those you can't prove it so you'll just have to believe me tales......... they don't sit so well.........

It could be a urban/rural legend that got warped around for my area. Maybe it's just a crazy lady. Who knows?

I didn't hear a story about any local boys being charged for the rape though. Just that she left a house drinking at redshirt table one minute, and woke up several times in different areas each time the creature knocked her out again, then she was finally found about 30-40 miles away where some ranchers found her.




I understand, i'm not exactly buying into them either. It's not like i'm claiming these things actually happen, i'm just relaying a story that people elswhere wouldn't have heard otherwise.

That area isn't so large that one couldn't track down at least one of the folks supposedly involved. 30-40 miles may sound like a long ways to some folks, but having grown up in the region, trust me folks you have to go that far to get your mail........ (now that's a bit over stated, but not much..... )

I suggest you talk to 'ljromero76' and do alittle digging. If it happened on the Reservation, then somebody is going to have something specific....... that is unless it's completely fabricated and somebody is just messing with you......

I'm ready to vote for the later myself.

Nobody messing with me, just people like to tell stories. If your claiming that you grew up in the area, then you would know that you can't put any faith in tribal cops to nab a shop lifter. Forget trying capture a rapist. And if the woman was found 30 miles off of the reservation, then you would know that cops off of the rez don't have any jurisidiction on the reservation.

*MODERATOR EDIT*

Out of all seriousness, if I get a name I'd still be amprehensive to have it bouncing around the internet. I'm not gonna post somebody's name up from the community, that would just be wrong.

I love it when my suspicions turn out to be true.

NM

Thank you for clearing things up for all of us......... I for one now see things more clearly.

First of all, my suggestion of contacting 'ljromero76' has nothing to do with investigating a rape (which we all know didn't happen) but to investigate potential bigfoot sightings that you may be aware of......... if you have a problem with the Police up there you may have trouble linking up with others up there investigating bigfoot, since several of them are Police Officers.

Next, there are good and bad Police Officers in every force, makes no difference if you're on the 'Rez' or not........

Third, since I'm not concerned with a crime but a BF sighting, jurisdiction doesn't come into play..... but if it were a crime, it would depend on where the crime happened....... not where the victim ended up...... likely both Police forces would actually come into play......

As for the smart aleck comments, I'll let those pass......... but I'll also let everyone else judge them as they will.

Finally, I don't remember asking you to post anyone's names here? I agree, without their permission, you shouldn't post their names. But if you can't track them down, and verify the claims......... then it's not a report worth quoting here.... Again, talk to 'ljromero76', as I'm sure he would be happy to help you check out any potential sightings.

Thanks Again!

You were implying that i'm in the habit of making up stories, or that i'm gullible enough to believe anything. I'm not twisting anyone's arm and asking them to believe it.

I just relayed a story since it pertains to the area being questioned in this thread. I didn't make any claim that it was true.

A more suitable response to my post would've been:

Are there any news articles or other references so people can investigate this outrageous story you've heard.

Believe me, I've looked I can't find anything.

I'm not in the habit of tracking down rape victims, or crazy women.

As far as my smart remark, I was being very serious despite my tone:

In order to prove this actually happened I would need some kind of creature samples, hair, and I would need a statement from a doctor that this women was raped by an animal. Even still, I would need a picture of the act happening and people would still think it's photoshopped and i'm part of an elaborate hoax.

Let's say in therory I tracked down a witness. There were none except the lady that was attacked. And she told me the story.

I still wouldn't have anything but a claim from a crazy lady.

And i'd still be getting critized over the internet for sharing a story.

In regards to tribal police:

I have the upmost respect for law enforcement. But I actually live in the Pine Ridge area, the cops aren't bad, they're just not Batman and Robin calling over to metropolis to get help from the Super friends to capture the elusvie Doctor Magoo. I'm sorry, i'm here in the thick of it everyday and I got scars on my head to prove how cops let the bad guys get away. When I see or interact with an officer I get the feeling he/she isn' there to protect and serve. Some of them(not all of them) just look for an exscuse to kick your door in. The community doesn't need cops. We need super heros.

Yes tribal police, I have no faith in you as a force (not as individuals, I have friends in the force too) to catch a common criminal, let alone a Big Foot Rapist. Please, for the good of the community and our people- prove me wrong.

In regards to my last post:

It's all non-sense. Part of the problem is people are always talking and not taking any action. I realize me ranting about cops just because i've had bad experiences with them doesn't solve anything. I just made myself part of that negativity. I don't want to offend anyone that is a police officer either. So i'm apologizing for that. Please don't take my words the wrong way.

Peace.

I'm not saying that you are making anything up or that you are gullible at all. If you feel I am critizing you then please consider the claim that you're making........

You didn't say that your second cousins ex-sister in laws older brother's friend said they once saw a bigfoot cross the road in front of their car..... ..... that one I doubt anyone is going to call you on....

You passed on a completely unsupported story of BF raping a woman. NOW that's highly unusual!! And I think ranks right up there with my second cousins, ex-boss once heard in a bar in a small town that he can't remember the name of that a dude in the bar down the street once saw BF get into a UFO and fly away............

Both of the two later claims diminish the credibility of all bigfoot sightings....... the first doesn't impact any other sighting in any way. Am I the only one that feels this way? If so I apologize.

God Bless

I think the most important thing for you to do at this time is to take some good advice and contact 'ljromero76'. He is in your area, and some of our friends are up there with him now.

I'm not making any claim other then: while these stories are highly improbable they are not impossible to fathom. And wouldn't it be better to be documented as a rumour than as nothing at all?

And what if they did happen? Maybe someone will come across my comments in this thread and say:

Yes this happened to my auntie so and so on this date, and here's a copy of the police report we filed, and a picture of some of evidence we collected, and we were laughed at so much we couldn't get our story out.

Who are they gonna turn to? People that don't believe in bigfoot?

Considering the media we're using to communicate with each other, I figured this was the thread I could share the area's "stories" with.

I know one of the officers that was originally on the scene when the first sighting (the one written about on the cryptomundo website) took place. He won't be posting on the internet anytime soon, I'm a little amprehensive about relaying that info here now that I see this isn't the place to have an open discussion.

I have nothing to offer this discussion at this point other than that, and like I siad when I first came into this thread:




Have a pleasant afternoon.

I'm not particularly interested in unsupported rumors of what can be fathomed as possible. It does the field no good to waste time and credibility on wild claims...... they are fine in the local coffee shop, but here most folks are interested in getting to the bottom of things. How can a story that is very likely completely fabricated help the field of BF research? I can't see how this advances the study at all........... now if you have an interview with the supposed victim or her family, or a police officer who investigated the alledged crime........ well then that's a different story......

I'd say that a BF rapist is highly, HIGHLY unlikely, and therefore requires alittle due diligence before reporting on a forum that demands more than heresay.

Please don't feel that this is an attack.

From the legends passed down this type of thing is reported. Abduction, fathering or mothering hybrid children, cautionary tales about interbreeding, etc. Sometime that seems like a major basis and rational for the legends. Also reported in more modern times among Canadian tribes (from raincoast sasquatch) and not to mention Albert Ostman.

Anyone out there want to lay odds that I will regret making this post, and pretty quickly?

Forgive me if I'm not seeing what some of you are, but it looks to me like Mr. C is only passing along one of the many tales that have come out of that region. The only thing I see wrong with his post is that his last line should have read "So there's NO telling if she's genuine or crazy." Simple mistake but certainly no reason for him to get bashed for passing on a 'heresay' story from the Pine Ridge area. I just can't see the harm in him passing on this story he heard. IMO it's no more harmful to the search for bf than the many other stories and reports we've read here with no evidence to back them up.

Maybe I'm missing something and I welcome anything that will set me straight.

Boy am I sorry that I poured some petro on this. I think I should have been more carefull on what I said concerning the Carter Farm. Maybe I sould have said (1) Sounds like this could be a result of an old story to explain a sudden pregnatcy or why the baby was hairy and ugly. Or if more recent (2) influlence from the Mayr Green story.

I was cought by the similarity from what Mr.C said and what M.G. wrote. Maybe related, or more probible that two stories similer in content can rise independantly.

You have to remember that in a small community, everybody knows everybody........

I can see no way that such a 'legend' can not be checked out to some degree........

In fact, there's no way you could keep such a thing quiet!!!

I still say "talk to Larry"............

enough said,

God Bless

For what it's worth:

1) When asking or hearing about sasquatch sightings or stories from native people you're going to hear all kinds of stuff, maybe even things beyond your experience such as the supernatural or interspecies relationships. You may not be interested in it or dislike it, or fearful of it affecting how you or the "Field of Sasquatchery" are perceived, but it's part of the whole entirety of the cultural basis that's been going on for thousands of years. You would find parrallels in African and Asian people's stories about apes as well. People talking about this sort of thing does not harm the reality or unreality of sasquatch, but if you use the fact that native tribes have had sasquatch as part of their culture historically and in modern times to support the existence of sasquatch this is a part of it.

It's unfortunate certain people have used and abused this part of native culture, but using a single person or even a small amount of people to represent an entire cultural aspect in a bad light is the basis for stereotype.

2) There is a supernatural aspect to stories or sightings among the Sioux, and many other tribes, you probably just haven't heard them.

3) Stories of interspecies relationships or rape between sasquatch and humans is common not just in Native American tribes but all kinds of cultures here in the Americas. I remember a couple of people I knew in the BFRO having quite a time trying to weed out these types of reports that came from areas other than native reservations.

You will also find these same types of stories in Africa and Asia with known apes and humans, as mentioned above. Doesn't make it true.

You would also find many native legends that have various interspecies relationships; humans marrying beavers, wolves, badgers, ravens, snakes, eagles, bears, etc. A lot of these are Creation stories, and have a sort of moral to the story, the animal representing an extreme behaviour that animal is known for that is seen or interpreted and reflected on human behaviour. Sasquatch, being close to humans in many aspects yet still wild, brutish, or closer to nature and therefore possessing knowledge of physical or spiritual medicines that can be found in the wild.

Storytelling is an important part of many cultures, it stimulates the brain and vocal abilities as well as strengthens family and community bonds. Stories can range from fact to fiction and anywhere in between, and many nights around the fire can inspire "Ghost stories", or in some cases "Sasquatch stories".

5) Many of these stories are used to educate and many people still use them to teach and survive today. As much as you'd like to dismiss them or filter them out, you're going to get frustrated because you'll never get what you want by dismissing the person or their culture that is relating these stories or sightings. They may not be true, just as the totality of knowledge about sasquatch may not be.

But that's ok, because people who are dismissed are reminded of what they were told by their elders, to leave the sasquatch alone.

wolftrax,

Good points.

However this case is not a 'legend' it is coffee shop talk and is supposedly a recent event. As such, with alittle effort and working with other on site investigators, it can and should be checked out.

I am well aware of Native traditions, I grew up all around their culture. To me this doesn't qualify as a Native Legend.

For what it is worth, if there is any truth to this tale it likely doesn't involve a a Bigfoot at all......... but something else entirely that I believe is also around there. But that is something best left alone...........

Perhaps the next time Larry drops in he can advise us as to what's going on......... or Larry, feel free to drop me a PM......... I trust what Larry has to say about what's going on up there.

God Bless

Of course it's not true.

Let me use an example.

One time at Thanksgiving, my wife's family all got together at my mother-in-law's house in Gap on the Navajo Nation. After a fantastic feast of turkey, mutton, fry-bread, etc. we all were talking and my bro-in-law started telling a story of an allegedly real event.

This lady was giving birth at the hospital, and the baby came out deformed. It had antlers, and feet that were like a roosters. It only had 3 fingers on each hand and hair covered it's legs. The mother was horrified, but the white nurses were in awe and took the baby away in a room, praising the baby, and the baby was never seen again.

His cousin spoke up and said that this was a true story, because he had also heard it, but that the baby had one horn in the middle of it's forehead, webbed toes like a duck, and that the nurses took the baby to the government where they have raised it to this day.

This story had all the ladies a little scared and uncomfortable, which is understandable given how painful such a birth would be and tragic that your child could come out like that. It's my own belief that reaction was the intent, this is a "Ghost story". Meant to give the heebie jeebies, then somebody tells a joke and everybody laughs and the conversation continues. No TV, just family entertaining each other around the fire. Just like in the old days, creating and passing legends and stories, some true, some not.

Now, I know this story is not true. I don't demand proof, or tell them not to waste my time. This story was meant for entertainment. If it was meant for educational purposes, like the various Coyote stories, I also would not demand proof or tell them not to waste my time. I just laugh and enjoy the conversation.

I think what bothers most researchers about the bigfoot and rape scenario is that even in this day and age - when this is reported, the women are still not going to hospitals for treatment.. These women ( if they would go to the hospital ) would have a standard rape test performed. This is always done when a woman has been attacked and there is a concern of a rape - due to disease.

But, these women refuse. Why? If a woman is beaten bloody - that absolutely sounds like a necessary trip to the emergency room (and treatment is never denied). I dont know whats happening to them - and no one does because they refuse treatment. In my opinion these cases should be treated as a crime, unless there is evidence gathered during an exam at a hospital that shows signs of something else happening.

Can I ask a question of someone within a Native American Community? How is rape looked upon within the community? Is the woman shamed? Were women shamed in the past if something like this happened? What about adultry? What happens to women who are accused of this within the community?

I think understanding these things is a good idea. I am not trying to be nosey or talk bad about anyone. I simply want to understand how these things are looked upon. Within the "White" culture, women are shamed and put down. Many women do not report this because of that very issue. So, I am wondering if it is the same, or if there are more or less consequences within the Native American Community.

There are some accounts I think something happened - it may not be what was told, but I do think something happened. I am just worried there could be a crime that has gone unpunished.

hey wolftrax & melissa wow those are very informative above replys regarding pine ridge sasquatch activity situation etc. please keep me & everyone here informed ok, larry please keep us updated on future sasquatch activity etc. good evening bill green

What rape? Do you really think there was a rape? Mary Green and Janice Coy reported the same thing and there is no evidence of anything of the sort.
I think Mr.C is taking that story (and probably a lot of other stories) and yanking everyones chain just to get attention...look at his other posts.
Much ado about nothing if you ask me. He says he's native (actually maybe he didn't, he said he lived there), does that automatically make him honest and noble? That's reverse discrimination if you ask me, people are people and until we start treating everyone the same racial division will continue. One of my best friends grew up on Pine Ridge and if he were here he would be saying the same thing.

First off, to Mr. Capalini, welcome to the guantlet

everyone here is skeptical of stories mine yours or those your relaying and such, do not take it personal, it is their way of seperating the B.S. from the beleivible.


While I am skeptical of the some aspects of some of the stories themselves I am not as skeptical of Mr. Capalini having heard some of those. Whether or not they are complete fables or as I may suspect somewhat true stories that have gotten better with the retelling.

As for a woman being raped by a Sas. I would want to know Was the woman disturbed and imnagined the whole thing.


Was the woman disturbed before or because of the attack and rememberd it as a Sasquatch? Mentally disturbed women are often the targets of rape(who would beleive them?)


Was the woman raped by an ape


While seeming the stuff of horror movies, and as distastful as it maybe to talk about apes chimps and Orangutans have sexually assualted human females and completed the sex act including penetration and ejaculation , Young males not quite up to seducing a female Orangutan have raped there own kind. and also human females.

I do beleive reports of sas raping a female Sas have been reported and Sas molesting other species. ( See Loren Colman's Bigfoot North American Great apes)

If another bipeadal primate(humans) can rape and commit sex crimes to awful to talk about what would stop a confused sexually mature young male Sas from being a rapist of humans. I beleive the odds are long against this but I am not completly ruling the story as impossible.

I have no idea blackdog if there was a rape or not. But, would it surprise me that a woman had been raped, then suffered so badly because of it she would twist the entire situation? Absolutely not. Experience tells me that. Although I have never heard a woman who was a victim of rape actually say (to my face) that she had been raped by an animal of any kind. But, I have also never talked to a woman who was of a culture where these stories are so prevalent.

How many years have passed since Janice's alleged rape? Would there be any evidence of such a thing now - odds are slim to none (I would bet on none). But, does that mean she was not raped - by a man? No, absolutely not. Do you know how many women never report being raped? I am not specifically discussing one story - I am discussing the stories as a whole. There may be a logical reason for why these women are reporting such an occurance and to not consider the possibility they were in fact raped by a human (at the minimum) is not giving the total amount of stories due consideration.

Yes, I do think its important. Anytime a woman reports something such as this - it is important. Is it bigfoot - I am gonna bet its not. But, why are they saying it is? There could be any number of reasons, but If I went into all those reasons I would be accused of preaching. Psychology is important in this. Understanding how the human mind works when completely distressed is important to understanding reports. That does not mean it was a bigfoot that did it.

I have my own theory about what may have happened to Janice Coy.

Im not sure why you think Mr. C's comments are reverse discrimination - He simply related something he heard. He went into no real detail. He is not the first to make such a statement. Maybe we are discriminating by laughing and not looking deeper into these kinds of reports? I dont think all these women are simply crazy or liars, but I do think the answer lies in Psychology, I dont think bigfoot is running around raping women.

I have to disagree with this. I believe that we've come far enough that we (the "White" culture) don't shame and put down rape victims.

JMO of course

Janice didn't say she was raped, she had some cockamamie story about some poor girl who was raped and went insane because of it. Supposedly she was locked away in a mental institution and never heard from again. Does that sound real to you? This (and Mr. C's) story is not about an actual rape, it's fiction and hype. Rape is very serious and I'm not talking about actual rape, nor do I think this is the place for it, like I said these are just a couple of stories that have no basis in anything except someones imagination. No I don't believe bigfoot rapes women.


I don't and I wasn't referring to him. I think that anyone who treats anyone any differently because of racial stereotype is discriminating one way or another. It seems that when Native people come on here with a story some people seem to automatically assume they can't be making things up because Indians don't do that. I'm sorry but some do, people are people.
Like I said one of my best friends grew up on Pine Ridge and I talk to him a lot about it. I hope that no one thinks that because he moved away from there that he doesn't know what he's talking about or is somehow not part of the culture anymore.

Well I would say we are more pro active in getting women to come forward. But, victims are still reporting mistreatment when they make statements. It is not as bad as it once was, but it is still a problem. Also, this has been stigmatized within our own community. Women (regardless of the situation) feel its their fault.

In a lot of ways, yes we have come a long way JayleeD - but we still do have farther to go. When a woman can go to the police and not have the first question asked "What were you wearing", then I will feel better about this.



You are half correct. Janice does claim abuse. But, was it at the hands of a bigfoot - I dont think so. I wont get into what I think both of these stories are really about, but suffice it to say I do not think Bigfoot was the culprit. But, that does not mean we should simply brush off the story right away, because it is out of our "comfort zone". Geesh, can you imagine what our society would be like if law enforcement decided to not investigate incidents because they felt the situation was just too "Unreal" or the story sounded crazy to them? We would be a society gone mad.

I am not one to settle for bits and pieces - I want the whole picture. I will always examine everything about a story - because thats what should be done. Now, if there was abuse in the story of Janice Coy - that does not make her bigfoot accounts real - seperate the issue blackdog. It is possible to have 2 or more situations happening at once, and they dont even have to be connected.

No, that doesnt sound real to me, but I choose to try and understand what these women are going through or what is going on. I will always listen when a woman says she was raped. Does the situation always match what the woman remembers - not always. Not all women seek help after such an event either. These things then build in the mind over time. By the way, men are sexually abused too - has anyone ever heard a story about a bigfoot going after a guy? I have not, so I am even less inclined to think Bigfoot is the culprit.

Finding out what may cause a woman or man to think something like a bigfoot is responsible for such a traumatic incident can help researchers understand what to look for when evaluating witnesses, and the validity of a report. I would hate to hear about a researcher who went to investigate a report of a bigfoot attacking a woman, and that researcher not understanding what to look for, and having a crime go unpunished because the researcher left laughing at this woman (who may have very well been abused). If I received a report like this I would:

1. Meet with the witness.
2. Take a full report
3. Encourage strongly that the witness receive medical attention (if that had not happened already)

A victim can simply say I dont know who attacked me, have the necessary tests performed - and wait. If the attacker was not human - the doctors will be curious from the results. But I dont think that will happen.

Decision is ours. Understand these things or not. And, if Anyone says this happened to them and they believe it so strongly it makes them crazy - I feel even more sorry for them. Its sad to see such horrible things happen to anyone, and not understand why. Rational people do not one day just decide to go completely insaine. Something happened. Regardless if it was bigfoot or human - something extremely traumatic happened to have such a break from reality.

I dont feel sorry for those who misrepresent these situations, and discuss them as this is undeniable proof that bigfoot rapes women. Mary Green should be ashamed frankly.



Once again, your preaching to the choir. Im not sure why you think I dont take it seriously? These stories are all over within this community. Why are these reports filed? Why are women reporting this? I have no idea. But I wont turn my back on anyone who claims physical, sexual or mental abuse. I will do whatever I can to be sure they are heard, and hopefully taken care of. To do any less is irresponsible. To walk out of a home where I was just told a woman had been assaulted - and not advise her to get Medical Attention - is irresponsible. To not look into her report - for the possiblity of a crime committed - is irresponsible.



Were you referring to me? And if so, I would ask you for a reference. I am tired of this. Nothing discriminatory has been said about anyone. The questions I asked were specifically trying to understand how these issues affect the Native American Community. If they want us to listen, then we need information to help us understand and ask the right questions. No one is yelling discrimination but you.

Ah yes, with that I can agree 100%.

The saddest thing I ever heard was from a victim of this kind of attack. She was convinced she would never find a man to love her - if he ever found out. She said her parents would blame her (they did) and the police were none to kind during her interview either.

This was just a few years ago.

Source(s)?

RayG

Holy Cow... If this is true what an eye opener..





If the statement above that is true that 80% of the rapes go unreported but 35 rapes a month on the average are reported... there's a lot of raping going on on the reservations in South Dakota. It would almost seem to be the norm and not the exception.

Entire article can be found here: http://www.sdhealthyfamilies.org/news-national-26.php

and finally there are 14 registered sex offenders in Pine Ridge a ratio of 1 in every 244 people. That isn't counting the non registered offenders.

http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Pine-Ridge-South-Dakota.html

Yep, I blame Morgoth for this whole sordid tangent.

I for one don't want this thread to get derailed again. The fact that Officer Romero takes time to let us know that reports continue, and whether or not they are being investigated is an appreciated contribution from my point of view

He's letting us know what has been reported to him. The details of which, we can discuss, analyze, or dismiss should we so choose.

The rape thing isn't even on the horizon line of being on-topic here, and I'm generally pretty forgiving of digressions. It's a toxic subject that is bound to be misinterpreted, or misrepresented.

Yes, I'll take that bet! Ooops, that's me...

I don't think it's off topic at all. There was a report of a woman being raped by a bigfoot in Pine Ridge. While LJRomero was not the bearer of the report it is still a report, right? The statistics on rape in the Pine Ridge area goes to the heart of the matter of whether it was likely a bigfoot or a human culprit. The fact that so many rapes appear to occur goes to the credibility of a woman actually being raped at Pine Ridge. It is an unsavory topic, and could blow up into something quite political, but it isn't irrelevant because the report was brought forth by Mr. Capalini. it's always possible that the alleged victim was lying or "crazy" but the statistics bear out that the reported rape could actually be true, the offender statistics would point to a human as the likely culprit, however.

Here are some:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-human_ani...oss_species_sex
http://books.google.com/books?id=THl1iLw5g...hcj9cTLO1rG9FEE

oh... and may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your nether regions and may your arms be too short to scratch for making me look that up and read it!

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. A rape on Pine ridge has nothing more to do with bigfoot than it does anywhere else.

It is a terrible situation and the statistics are horrifying but the discussion has nothing to do with bigfoot unless there is a possibility bigfoot is raping women there and I think that possibility is zero. I think it degrades their plight and tragedy in the same way the Mothman talk degrades the tragedy in Minneapolis.

If it's necessary to discuss this (and I'm not saying it isn't) maybe a different thread would be more appropriate.

But isn't the topic "This Just In" and the locality is Pine Ridge? This is no more off topic than Blackie and the raped girl in the 50 years thread. A report was given about a bigfoot raping a woman. While you and I don't believe it and I've shown statistics that strongly suggest a human component, the report was made about a woman IN PINE RIDGE being raped by a BIGFOOT. That makes it relevant to this thread. The report is JUST IN though an officer from Pine Ridge didn't report it.

I'd like to know from the Officers of Pine Ridge if they have heard this story and if this is the only story like this from Pine Ridge where a bigfoot is blamed.

Given that it's a story about Pine Ridge, a woman resident thereof reporting a rape by the species we're all here to talk about, what makes it off topic to the bigfoot events in Pine Ridge? As far as unbelievable goes, to the more skeptically minded anything bigfoot related is ridiculous and unbelievable. We balked at the 15 foot tall bigfoot reports too but we didn't make a separate topic of them. Why then, when a report of a woman being raped by a bigfoot, which is as unbelievable (as reports go) as a 15 foot tall bigfoot, be fodder for another thread? I'm not sure I understand why you think this should be another thread?

It's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I'll shut up now.

Cause, its better to laugh about these things?? Calling people liars is always more acceptable than education and knowledge?? Thats just my guess.

I find no shortage of those who are more than willing to call one of these women a liar, and laugh at them. But, ask someone to try and understand why she may be so mentally traumatized that she might imagine such a thing - and OMG, lets close this down.

I am always amazed...

And your right AR - it is the topic. At least the last I checked.

Don't you dare shut up. I like debating you too much for you to throw in the towel.

I don't think that's what Blackdog was saying at all Melissa. I think he believes that the chance of a bigfoot raping a woman at Pine Ridge to be so remote as to be nonexistent and that's why he thinks the posts surrounding that issue should be moved. That, and he thinks it is a disservice to the plight of the people at Pine Ridge as to the real issue. I agree it takes away from the crime rate at Pine Ridge, but it is still a report from Pine Ridge, no matter how unbelievable some of us may think it is. It was brought up and I think deserves discussion in this thread.

That being said I do see some posts related to human against human rape and the emotional dynamics involved that should probably be in another thread.

OK now I'm not shutting up.



Who the hell was laughing? And who called any woman a liar? Have you seen the police report for this? Have you seen one shred of evidence that any woman even talked about being raped by a bigfoot other than MR. C's story?

Yeah, I'm amazed too, that some people are willing to believe just about anything.

A few things:

1) Nobody here laughed about a rape or called a victim a liar.
2) This isn't a report, it's a rumor or story. You have no name, no location besides the rez, nothing but a generalized story, the makings of an urban legend.
3) Rape is serious and should be treated correctly, however you need the victim or a witness reporting it to treat, you don't have that here, how are you going to treat it?
4) If you feel so strongly about telling others on how a rape should be treated and how this "Report" should be treated and how you would treat it, how about instead going to South Dakota and investigating this yourself? Don't be surprised if you have found yourself on a wild goose chase, as that is what people are telling you now.

Well, where are you trying to actually discuss the issue? You seem to be arguing that its better to dismiss these people all together without discussion. Seems to me the right thing for us to do is try to understand the basics of human psychology - and be more aware of these issues.. But, thats just my sensible side talking, so pay no attention.

Who said anyone believed these accounts? I keep reading these comments by you - and you ignore the request to cite any reference to such a person on this forum. I and no one are saying these accounts of bigfoot raping a woman are true - I NEVER said such a thing - but I am instead asking that we consider why someone might make such a claim - other than they are simply crazy, which is incredibly insulting.

I prefer to understand all the possibilities for things - not just push them off as complete fabrications. Just because I dont understand something, and I ask questions that does not make me crazy for asking the questions to better educate myself - or someone else who may not be as willing to ask the questions.

Im not advocating believeing everything thrown at people. I am advocating education and understanding of situations and ailments most on this forum may not know or understand, so we may function the best we possibly can when confronted with these types of situations. Do you have a better idea blackdog?

I think it's highly unlikely a report to authorities was made whether it was human or bigfoot related. See the link I provided about South Dakota BD. Very few crimes of that nature (something like 28%) are all that's ever reported. Doesn't mean a sex crime didn't occur because it wasn't reported. It is harder (next to impossible) to prove the event happened unless a human or bigfoot culprit confesses and I think the likelihood of that happening is astronomical either way.

On the other hand, reports made to the authorities about bigfoot related events (crimes or not) aren't any more believable than the ones that aren't reported to authorities because reports are all they are unless there is some evidence or proof found to substantiate the claim. I'm preaching to the choir, I know.

I agree, I don't think a bigfoot raped a woman in Pine Ridge, but because it was reported by a member here I think it deserves discussion without going into emotional dynamics of rape victims in general.

I agree 100%